Hi all,
Whispers on the tubes speak of another deluxe version of the 5th Edition rules being released alongside the standard hardback. Something referred to as the "Gamer's Edition". Contents are said to include:
Whispers on the tubes speak of another deluxe version of the 5th Edition rules being released alongside the standard hardback. Something referred to as the "Gamer's Edition". Contents are said to include:
-The 5th Ed Rule Book
-Green game templates (similar in color and construction to the Apocalypse templates)
-Green game templates (similar in color and construction to the Apocalypse templates)
-Counters and markers (including a turn indicator, run markers, vehicle damage markers, etc...)
-It come packaged in some type of green "Ammo Crate" that has a top handle and can be used as an army transport (it may fit foam trays)
Rumored price: $90 usd
~Caveat Emptor as usual folks, but thats a pretty good deal if you basically get an army transport box out of it. I'm also happy to see those plastic counters and markers. Now I won't have to shell out for one of those $30 giant dice to use as a turn marker like lots of folks use! In general it seems to be following in the footsteps of the awesome Apocalypse Gamers Edition with the backpack (which I still drag back and forth to work every day).
-It come packaged in some type of green "Ammo Crate" that has a top handle and can be used as an army transport (it may fit foam trays)
Rumored price: $90 usd
~Caveat Emptor as usual folks, but thats a pretty good deal if you basically get an army transport box out of it. I'm also happy to see those plastic counters and markers. Now I won't have to shell out for one of those $30 giant dice to use as a turn marker like lots of folks use! In general it seems to be following in the footsteps of the awesome Apocalypse Gamers Edition with the backpack (which I still drag back and forth to work every day).
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I skipped the Apoc gamers edition, and regretted it. If it turns out to be a good value, then I'll probably have to get one.
The ammo crate could be very cool!
In VA our shop says that the gamers edition will come in a "bolter case."
I wonder if it is the same thing you are commenting about?
later, Tim
Sounds interesting - Ive got a real .50 cal ammo box Ive used before to transport some minis while painting them, would be cool to be able to use something similar to transport an army
What an idea. An ammo box as an army transport box....
I use them since years. They are so cheap in that little dirty army stores. 10$ a big metal box. Undestructable.
@BigRed "the backpack (which I still drag back and forth to work every day)."
/point
Ha-ha
I'll take one of those. Yes I think I will.
Do we know when 5th is coming out? Last I heard it was July. I am expecting a totally new revoluntionized system. Can't wait.
yeah, I think I'll have to shell out for that, as well.
I dont think there will be a revolutionary new system for 40k any time soon. What it looking good about 5th is it looks to fix some of the problems with the current editions and drag the game and its players kicking and screaming back towards some of the more relaxed and fun days of the early editions.
Looks like more emphasis on fun and fluff and less on creating the so called "perfect" list
Bigred how do you stay so positive all the time with all the GW-BS out there?
Perhaps it is my lack of sleep and general irritation towards finals but that does not sound like a good deal for “Gamers”.
For $40 extra they throw in a bunch of templates, dice and maybe a army transport… correct me if I am wrong but don’t most “Gamers” already have all the stuff?
~kings
@kings
Not everyone will want the "Gamers" edition, absolutely true. Just as not everyone will want the "Collectors" edition
We use "Gamers" and "Collectors" to differentiate between the product that those who consider themselves gamers would want to use (book, case, templates, counters) and the product that collectors might want on their shelves (incredibly high-end library quality, not for everyday use).
There'll also be the Rulebook, by itself, for folks who already have the rest.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Dave Taylor
Well said, Dave T. I'd also like to add that there are those of us who may not play as often as we'd like, but are rabid 40K fans and still think all this new 40K Gamer's Edition stuff is "cool" and still want it in spite of already owning cases and templates. Besides, what model collector can't use another model case, especially one with a great 40K theme?
Also, some of us who are considering getting into the hobby wouldn't mind a nice book + templates + carrying case to start their first army with. Kudos if this is true, GW.
GW sure is coming up with creative ways to take my money. Good thing for them I am a sucker.
-Jim (AMM realgenius)
Nice to see THE Dave Taylor comment. GW is watching us!
I like the case idea. But 5th ed is just more dumbed down kiddyhammer.
The rule system isnt tight enough for competative play..
theagonists,
Did you ever play under Rogue Trader? The trend to push playability is a good thing. Kiddyhammer is far better than templatehammer?
I did buy the Apoc Gamer's Ed, and I'm glad I did. Neat stuff and a surprsingly well engineered backpack. (This one at the Warstore seems to be the same, btw).
I hope the case isn't like the big plastic army cases--I've never liked them (too slidey inside) and it is about time that GW figured out that the Sabol design is pretty much the final word. Precut trays by GW in those dimensions, though impossible, would be nice....
I don't expect much from their counter set. The equivalent for Fantasy, while functional, is quite flimsily made. IF GF9 is setting the industry standard in counters, GW's entries into the field have been so sub-par as to barely qualify as such.
@Bigred--a simple 1 1/2" huge die should be easily available from your local dollar store.
theagonists said...
But 5th ed is just more dumbed down kiddyhammer.
Yep, they're stripped all the complexity from the game. You can show a 12 year old the full mechanics in 10 minutes. Its so streamlined in makes Checkers seem complex!
For every rule streamlined, another rule is create that is so isolated you will forget it 90% of the time, or one that 2 gaming groups will have completely different interpretations of.
Just because army list creation has been simplified in the new Codexes doesn't mean that they're dumbing down the game, they're just making some things more intuitive.
you know, when 4th came out, and all the way through fourth, I focused just on getting my armies, buying more dudes, and grabbing more paints. But recently, especially with this campaign that hopefully I'll get to play in in the Fall, I'm really starting to look more into the 'gamer' and 'collector' side of the hobby instead of just the dork around fun and tournament side. I guess I'm just becoming exactly what GW wants in terms of a customer, but I've noticed all my armies becoming more fluffy, and I actually WANT this cool gamers stuff.
Besides, it's only in a game shop where you can wear a backpack and have a case that say cadia, and look cool.... :-) ok maybe not.
People who confuse "easy to learn" and dumb annoy me no end. Obviously, they never played Go. If they can't be bothered to learn the streamlined complexity of 5th ed, well quit the game. 4th ed. was the Pwergamer's list funhouse, 5th ed. will be about more tactical options. Spoilsport are not needed.
That being said, my friend go the gamers' ed. of Apocalypse, and I regret not to! I'll get this one for sure!
Lets just hope that 5th stays with the tactics and doesnt devolve into powergamers list
Power gamers will always try and find a way to abuse rules sets. I just try not to play them and have fun playing the people who bring fun/balanced/fluffy lists. Heck, if someone has a "power," list but the fluff rocks I still won't mind playing.
I don't want to get to far down a tangent, but at the same time some are compaining that 5th will "dumb down" the game, we see things like counters being introduced to keep track of things which unit ran or not, so it appears that overall complexity will probably be a wash. For every new mechanic which gets added, we will see some overly complex mechanics go away.
I think 5th hold a whole lot of promise for where the game is going. I have and still want a game that is challenging and FUN, because that is why I play wargames in the first place.
I think a lot of folks confuse complexity with quality and it is a horrible mistake. I mean we know that Star Fleet Battles is the best game on the planet and everyone plays it right???
Relax, enjoy the upcoming changes and have a great time! IT'S YOUR GAME AND HOBBY!
You're complaining about shelling out $30 for an oversized Die to use as a turn counter, yet can't wait to get a Reaver Titan from FW?!?
Yeah that makes sense.
BTW, my oversized die/turn counter was only $8.
Relax? Have fun? These are GW players we are talking about :P
Its amazing when some players take to winning like a Khorne Berserker
Anyone heard any rumors on the actualy size of the box? Wondering if this would be worth it or just look up some surplus stores and track down the crate for 20mm rounds or maybe the packaging for 40mm grenades
SFB! Oh yeah, that one made your average Avalon Hill offering look like Candyland.
Personally, I am very much looking forward to V5. The holes sucked in V4, and that was vastly superior to V3. Apocalypse was all about the right direction for bring the fun back to 40k, and streamlining rules and sewing up holes in V5 is more of the same.
Hell, I quit playing Fantasy Battles V3 to V6, because it was weak sauce Herohammer. Clan War was a better game. Bringing grunts back to glory for 40k will reinvigorate this game like it did FB.
My opinion.
RTM
On warseer I saw that the rumor was the case was like a bolter case, not a bolt shell case. So, like a gun case rather than an ammo can. I guess the ammo can is the more authoritative rumor then? That is good, I thought the bolter case would have looked goofy.
It does make me want to go to Wal-Mart and get a Flambeau case and model it like a Exitus rifle case though. Maybe fill it with sabol foam and use it as my apoc transport. That would be pretty sweet.
Hey, now...I played SFB for 10+ years and really enjoyed the game. 40K is a different kind of game and offers a different type of experience. There's room for both in my world.
btw...anyone up for a game of SFB?
RTM: Clan War? The game that was more hero and magic centered than Warhammer 5th yet also added in buying packs of cards to make your armies do anything?
The game that actively PUNISHED people who didn't have expensive heroes because morale was so abusive losing a commander or failing a break test generally meant that unit was leaving the table?
Where a single wound left out of spells mage could chase a unit who lost 2 soldiers off the board merely by staying within 8" or so of it?
Where you could lose 20 models moving in to combat, but kill one guy and cause a daisy chain morale break where an entire ARMY ran off the board?
Where the infantry was pointless since getting into stupid commander duels was the whole point of half the armies?
Where the big bad EEEVIIILLL army was effectively the weakest army in the game since there were so many pieces of equipment, those dumb cards, and spells that ONLY screwed over that faction?
Clan War was one of the WORST miniatures games I ever had the displeasure of playing. And I am glad it fell apart for being a buggy betatest as first edition pile of garbage. As flawed as Third Edition 40K was, I vastly preferred it. A friend of mine and I actually stopped playing Clan War to go back to 40K, then the Clan War group pretty much fell apart as the two "boosters" of the game had to stop playing and the few remaining players finally realized nobody liked the stupid game.
A shame because it had a killer backstory and some fantastic models.
Oh, the topic? Eh. Not my thing. I'll buy the starter box for the pocket rules and will then have extra Orks and maybe start up that White Panthers army I always wanted or take my Chaos Marines into the 4000+ range of points. All the extra rules in the 4th ed hardback will still be perfectly useable for that 1 game out of a 100 where anyone bothers with them. (Just like in Fantasy!)
Sounds like you guys played a lot more Clan War and got way further into the metagaming of the armies than my group ever did. Our group was glad that the rules encouraged masses of troops, something that was always frowned upon in earlier Warhammer Fantasy Battles editions. We also liked that heroes provided leadership, not butt-kikzor. We never got into the duel and wacky card and magic thing, nor explored it as a potential weakness of the system. Sounds like you know a lot more about it, because you played and analyzed it more.
But yeah, schuper-schweeeet miniatures and story line. CW had some great gaming concepts pulled from Age of Reason and others, but sounds like it was still broken at a higher level of play.
As for a gamers' case, nah, I have already created thingsies like that. Besides, most games with this group are at my garage, or at one of the Strategicon conventions.
RTM
The case looks like an ammo box, it's rectangular and dark green and it has humorous, colorful statements on it that make it seem as though it is an ammo case. Specifically, "Hazard, Danger of Pre-Deton ation If Used Unblessed" is on the side in yellow letters. The aquila is on the top.
I pre-ordered my Gamer's Edtion 40K set today at my local Battle Bunker. The price is $90 US. Forget about rumors and arguing over the look of the box, etc., I've seen pictures of the items in the set. Nothing in this post is speculation.
The counters look nice. The concept of using counters to mark speed for vehicles, unit actions, etc. goes back to the cardboard counters in second edition 40K, but these counters come on a sprue and are made of the same polystryrene as any other GW plastic models. There are plenty of them on a sprue and you get two sprues in a Gamer's Edition.
The templates in the Gamer's Edition are the usual 3 templates used in 40K, but they are the same color green as the Apocalypse templates.
The new Apocalypse book is called, "Apocalypse Reloaded" and will be $25 US. It contains new datasheets and a new battle report. Enjoy!
That sounds good - but given you've seen it, how big is the box, does it come with foam inserts and how much would you theoretically be able to fit into it?
Ta!
Put me down as a "most likely". Unless it looks completely whack, I'll probably pre-order it the day it comes available on the website.
Seemed to me that not a lot of thought went into the Apoc Gamers Ed. I mean, where's the sense in releasing a single small army case carying backpack to promote massive, mutiple thousands of points games? Meh, maybe it's just me...
Hope this Ammo Crate is AT LEAST the size of the large GW case, as I'd definetly getting it regardless, I figure at worst I can swap out the foams and use it as a tank transport...but mainly I'm kinda OCD and wany all my templates to match! lol!
Culial said... I mean, where's the sense in releasing a single small army case carying backpack to promote massive, mutiple thousands of points games? Meh, maybe it's just me...
Think of it as giving you 2 hands free so you can carry a large case in each!
What did you want, a GW Frame Pack? haha.
xNickBaranx said...Think of it as giving you 2 hands free so you can carry a large case in each!
What did you want, a GW Frame Pack? haha.
Lol, OK, I see your point!
But it would be nice to be able to cary all the models you need for a [regular] game in one case, where's there room for tanks in the standard GW cases? Surely it can't just be me who's sick of lugging two or more bags around just for a pick-up game at the local store?
I hope the new Apocalypse supplement is not just a paper copy of the .pdf's on GW's website.
Yea, theres no way I can resist this, markers are great (loved the sheer volume of counters from 2nd ed), you can never have too many templates (I have 4 BfM boxes), and I too love my Apoc backpack and that ammo case sounds awesome.
I really think that 5th will be a good edition, it is more abstaract than the others more on the platoon level tactics less squad based, not simpler persay just different. I know I'm going to get alot of flack for saying this but second edition 40k caused way less confusion in our group than 3rd and on did, it seemed more intuitive and it had a more robust rule set.
It takes more cognative work to abstract somthing like why the squad moving affects heavy weapons troops, vechiles of each type regardless of race move the same distance, why a malnourished conscript moves the same distance as a superhuman in strength and agility enchancing power armour. The game is different, requires more work to wrap your head around (admittedly much less reading) so it really isn't simple it just has a greater level of absraction and ultimately is still very fun.
Does anyone know when the 40K gamers edition is coming out,other then before the 12th of July?
"Does anyone know when the 40K gamers edition is coming out,other then before the 12th of July?"
The manager at my shop said you'd have to wait until August to get 5th ed. unless you pre-order.
I read the ad copy of the Gamer's Edition, and it says it comes with a (singular) foam insert, so I'm guessing it's not much larger than the book itself, but possibly twice as deep as a single insert (to fit the book and counters, etc.).
Unfortunately, there were no specific dimensions for the box given.
In VA the shop says about a week before the 12th. Thats as close as anybody says.
later, Tim
When you guys say foam insert you are talking something with dimensions along the lines of the army transport cases? Just trying to make sure my mental image is matching others
Oh, another thing I saw today at the store was the Collector's Edition promotion.
It has a double-gatefold cover and comes with a life-sized purity seal that shows through a cutout on the covers (don't know if it's removable).
The 5th Ed. book IS coming out the 12th of July, just check the GW/40k web site. It has a very large countdown clock on it,we are down to 68 days 15 hours and 36 min. as of this post.
brassscorpion said: "these counters come on a sprue and are made of the same polystryrene as any other GW plastic models. There are plenty of them on a sprue and you get two sprues in a Gamer's Edition."
Does anyone know if these counters will be available outside of the gamers edition?
I already have templates, and a method of carrying my army, but these counters sound good, and would be usable for gorkamorka also.
I know that I would buy several.
Of course I may get the gamers edition anyway, at whatever ridiculous price it's released at here in Aus.
"hludwig said...
The 5th Ed. book IS coming out the 12th of July, just check the GW/40k web site. It has a very large countdown clock on it,we are down to 68 days 15 hours and 36 min. as of this post."
Right. That IS the initial release.
However, according to the manager at my local GW, they will pretty much only be receiving into the store, copies that were pre-ordered and almost no extra copies for general sale on that date- this includes both the Gamer's Edition package AND the regular book.
According to him, if you don't pre-order any version of 5th Ed., they won't be getting actual shelf copies for sale until August.
Of course, take this with a grain of salt- he could have just been saying this as a scare tactic to increase pre-orders. Or, it could be that this schedule is for U.S. stores only. Or, he could have simply been wrong.
That's just what I was told by a GW manager. Take it for what you will.
@Gamete
thewarstore and most other bitz stores should be able to split them up and sell them off. That was how I got my mini rulebook.
Apocalypse Reload ($25 US) is now also available for pre-order in GW stores.
The "laser-pointer" device that shines a cross-hairs light for checking line-of-sight (LOS) will be released in July and will cost $10 US. I have yet to find anyone who can tell me for certain whether or not this is an actual low intensity laser pointer or just an LED pointer like is found on some Nerf foam dart guns, etc.
While exact measurements for the ammo crate in the Gamer's Edition are still hard to obtain, the one person I found who had been given some clue from a reliable source as to its size said that it was roughly the dimensions of a GW figure case give or take an inch on the width and length. The local Battle Bunker is trying to get a sample ASAP for customers to examine. If and when I get to do that I'll try and get some exact measurements and will gladly share.
"The "laser-pointer" device that shines a cross-hairs light for checking line-of-sight (LOS) will be released in July and will cost $10 US."
I would like make note of the snide remark I made in an earlier post about 'everyone getting an official GW laser pointer' for the new LOS rules. Gotta hand it to GW, make a hole and then fill it... sometimes.
I will be getting the Gamers Edition as well... and likely one of these swell laser pointers
For those who want the game markers without buying the Gamer's Edition, the markers will be sold separately. Two sprues in a set will be $15 US.
i like all this new stuff for warhammer40k but all i need to know is where can i pre order this?
The more i hear about this 5th edition, the more it just sounds like the brilliant version of 40k that was Rogue Trader.i.e running/charging, proper line of site etc. Anyone else feeling that?
Also, the rumours of the big dogs being unhappy with the way White Dwarf is going also makes me think we could be going back to a more rogue trader style White Dwarf,i.e useful and fun additional rules, charactes, backgrounds, which would be great.
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