Hi all,
Today we hear the following hints and whispers regarding the upcoming release:
RULEBOOK
- You may ‘Run’ after deepstriking
- Deepstrike Mishap Table (roll when you scatter onto other models or off table) is 1-2: Dead, 3-4: Opponent places your models down, 5-6: Units get placed into reserve again.
- Turn 5 your reserves automatically come on (unless they were placed back in Reserve)
- Swarms have an amended USR to state they are never scoring.
- All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives
Yet more information points to a very cut down rulebook that only allows play with the included models. The transport rules for example are not included, and none of the basic missions at all.
Ultramarines
- 1 Marine Captain with Powersword. Very ornate with a large cape many tassels. He amazingly has hair!
- 10 Marine Tactical Squad. Sergeant with Bolt pistol and CCW. Missile Launcher, Flamer. ~the old school classic
- 1 Dreadnought: Multimelta and Stormbolter.
- 5 Terminators: 1 Sergeant with Powersword. The squad has Stormbolters and Powerfists with no heavy weapon provided. ~I believe you get some spare heavy weapons with the standard Terminator boxed set so making 2 squads should still work out normally
- The marines are described as exceptional and you will have a difficult time telling them apart from the fully poseable models. Skuttlebutt says these have tactical symbols and and Ultramarine symbol molded onto them.
Orks
- Ork Warboss is VERY LARGE. He’s armed with a twin-linked shoota and Klaw. He is holding his power klaw out to the side pointing with one of the claws.
- 20 Ork boyz split into two 10-boy mobs. Each has a big shoota. Reportedly indistinguishable from the regular ork boyz.
- 5 Nobs: All are armed with slugga & choppa. Large models.
- 3 Deff Koptas: AMAZING! The standouts of the boxed set. They are described to be very much like the one depicted in the ork codex. Standard orky construction with spare parts and bitz all over. State of the art detail for snap-fit models.
~As usual, caveat emptor, and time will tell. Sources indicate that some of the models provided are aimed at existing gamers and provide things that are not currently available any other way (deffcoptas, Multi-melta dread). Overall, I think I have to side with GW on this one and support the cut down rulebook (if it's true). As I mentioned in an earlier post, they are treading a fine line of needing to train up new players into the hobby while maximizing sales of the big rulebook to the entire community. Its a tough call, and I think its the right one. Let us know what you think. (and remember, no chairs!)
69 comments:
Definitely the right call. There's so much amazing goodness in there that I really don't care about the rulebook. The koptas alone make this box worth buying. Add in the boys mobs and I'm all in. I will buy multiple boxes just for the minis!
A.N. Mous
I agree, too, about the rulebook. When I got Skull Pass I haven't really even looked into buying the full Warhammer rulebook. GW needs to do what they need to do to stay in business.
I'm looking forward to actually seeing these models and contents...
I personally hope they come out with a small, abridged rulebook like the battle for Macragge one. The simple fact is it is so much easier to throw that in your army case & off you go. A little quick reference guide is great. I don't care if it comes out in a box set or is sold by itself, but it was just a great idea they came out with.
On the other hand, aside from the fact the marines are ultramarines (Now I have to file those damned U logo's off!) I am going to get at least one of those boxes. It is a great deal for the price. One army alone is worth it. Hell, I might even be tempted to start my Orks back up by getting a couple of those boxes. And you can never have enough Terminators & Marines anyway.
"Deffkopta's ... very much like the one depicted in the ork codex."
As in, the ones from the modelling section, or the awesome art with the rokkit launchas?
I hope the latter, since it would be quite a bit cooler.
I'll buy it regardless, ofcourse.
I don't know, I think they're making a bad call by not making a mini-rulebook with the complete rules. I absolutely loved having the BFM mini-book for going to Tournaments or playing pick up games since I didn't have to lug around the giant hardback (yes, I bought both, and at the same time). Maybe if they threw in a mini-RB with the hardcover? As for the actual minis and what not, I'll probably still get one for the templates and the Termies. My friend is starting an Ork army, so that will be nice as well. The Smurfs are going to go the same way as the BFM Marines though.. away. I loath when they mold the chapter symbol on non-chapter specific models!!!
Hi, how do you guys understand this "All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives" thing ?
Is it that only Troops units can TAKE objectives, but all other can interfere and DENY that objective ?
If so, then I don't quite understand what's the point of restricting scoring status to Troops only (also, specifying that swarms in general aren't scoring). The only result is that much greater number of battles will just end up in a draw IMO
Well I was planning on buying the box for the rulebook but now I am gonna hold off to get a good look at those orks.
No matter, I'll probably just download the rulebook anyways.
"No matter, I'll probably just download the rulebook anyways"
Why wouldn't you just walk into your local shop or GW store and slip a hardcover under your jacket and walk out?
Obviously, you think stealing is ok.
A.N. Mous
The entire point of the rulebook is to have it available WHEN you are playing.
If you take a copy of Monopoly to your friends house and forget how something works, its no help that you have a copy of the rules on your computer back home.
Compared to the cost of collecting and painting an army, the rulebook is chickenfeed...
i think its a terrible idea and hard to sell.
"So, I can get into the game with just this boxset?"
"Sure, but youll also have to drop 60$ on this OTHER book right after."
"Right..."
The contents of the new starter are sounding better and better.
GW definitely made the right call w/ regard to the mini-rulebook in the starter set.
We have to remember that this product is aimed to bring in new players to the hobby. Just give them the rules they need to play the included scenarios and if they like the game enough they can get the rulebooks, codexes, etc.
I am glad to hear that the snap fit models will supposedly be of a good quality. That is something they obviously did to please long time players.
Looks like i'll be starting up a Space Marine army once that starter comes out. And of course i'll be bolstering my Orkz.
The contents of the boxed set certainly sound appealing - particularly since I have both orks and Marines. That said, I personally think that it will suck if GW effectively 'cripples' the mini rule book by not having it cover all the rules. I bought an extra copy of the mini rule book for the simple fact that it's highly portable. I disagree strongly with BigRed's comment that "Compared to the cost of collecting and painting an army, the rulebook is chickenfeed..." No - $50 is still $50. That's the better part of two troops units, a vehicle model, or in the real world a tank of gas, a fair bit of groceries, etc. If the core rules plus background, extra missions, kill team, etc aren't a sufficient enough value on their own to justify $50, then it's GW that's got a problem, and not the gamers. I don't exist simply to be an income source for GW stock holders. If they can't offer value for money, then they do NOT deserve my money.
10 years ago when the book was still around $50 it was more than 2 tanks of gas. Now its the price of a tank of gas.
So you should see it as getting MORE for your money this time around in your tank of gas analogy.
$50 isn't what it once was. Indeed, in 2008 its "just" $50.
Well I really hope that the U and tac symbols aren't on the models. Because if so its the straw that broke the camels back on this box set for me.
Without the rule book I have no excuse to get it.
This is very irritating for those of us who are hanging on to playing 40k by a slim margin financially.
Its nice that the models are cool in other ways but having to shave off symbols even on plastic sucks.
I may not get a legit copy of the rulebook now and just download it.
Well, I just wonder why all you guys are so happy about not getting a mini rules book that covers all the rules in the set? It is not even a question of having little money in general. We are consumers so we want to get as much from a product as we can for as little money as possible so why shouldn't we ask for more?
The set looks good, there's no question about it, but it would look better with full rules mini book wouldn't it?
I understand the policy of GW perfectly, but ass a consumer I don't like it.
Another fact is that I'm going to buy the full book because, as I am a chaos player, I find nothing useful in the box. It still looks great for SM and ork players, as well as noobies who want to start their adventures in the 41st millennium.
Cant wait to see the Ultramarines.
I also hope for a full minirulebook.
I was planning to buy the box set for the rulebook only, The portability is worth the full retail price of the box in my opinion; the Macraggge book was a real innovation. I take public transport to events, so it was a great weight off my back, literally!
I agree with an earlier comment. I have Chaos and IG armies and there's no incentive now to buy this boxed set. I'll just download as well.
I wouldn't be shocked if they released a mini rules-only book 12-18 months after the release of the 5th edition hardcover. There's clearly a demand for one, but if I were GW brass, I'd be concerned that a cheaper edition of the core rules (as part of or seperate to a boxed set) would cannablize sales of the full book. Leave a gap between the two, and both editions will be profitable.
If I were to imagine myself as a brand new player, I would personally have no problem starting out with a "demo" version of the rules that required purchase of the "full" version later. In fact, I'd love to have an option to buy an even more trimmed down starter version, specifically something to get kids into the game. If I could get a set for, say, $20 that had a handful of figures (enough for a very small, but balanced, skirmish), a rules pamphlet including only basic movement, shooting and assault rules, and a couple of those wee paint pots, man, I'd be buying one for every niece, nephew or child of friends who showed even the slightest interest in gaming...
Does anyone have a solid release day on the new starter kit? what about a confirmed price? wtf?
oh and @ everyone bitching about the molded symbols: here is a simple formula for saving time-
assembling tactical squads from the current gw box set, even if your glue dries in 0.00001 seconds IS GREATER THAN shaving off molded symbols with a dremel or other rotary tool.
There are some EXTREMELY NICE artwork in the 5th Edition Rulebook including what an Eldar Craftworld Looks like inside
Hmm. Not interested in shaving off UM symbols, so the marines don't interest me. The orks, however, might tempt me to start an ork army.
wait till you see the new rulebook,
it pisses all over the current one (big book only as i have yet to see the small one).
You will certainly want both, even if the small rulebook isnt cut down!!
P.S: Im a GW "Blue Shirt" but even so im not bulls****ing you.
I actually better like buying the hardcover book, and THEN downloading the pdf and printing it out. I think THEN I am not doing wrong, I should have right for a gaming copy, so that the beautiful book doesn't get damaged from constant carrying it around...
This is just nuts. Every time I read something about there not being a rulebook people get all but hurt and that's just sad. GW has put A TON of great stuff in this box set, yet some of you want more.
Honestly, $60 for all those minis and its not good enough? How much do you spend on an xbox or ps3 game?
Bottom line, why not look at the value that you are getting instead of what isn't in the box. As far as pirating the book off of the net. You people are the reasons for increased prices. If you just bought the F'ing books then GW (or any other company for that matter)would not have to raise prices to cover their losses that assholes like you incur.
"Bottom line, why not look at the value that you are getting instead of what isn't in the box. As far as pirating the book off of the net. You people are the reasons for increased prices. If you just bought the F'ing books then GW (or any other company for that matter)would not have to raise prices to cover their losses that assholes like you incur."
I'm sorry that you feel that you have to hide behind the name of anonymous. As opposed to putting your name to your feelings.
But it is not people who are buying the Battle for Macragge or this new set for the mini-rulebook that are causing GW to keep raising their prices. It is economics (mainly) & people (to a lesser extent) who are stealing (Downloading) the items. The Mini-rulebook was great.
I happen to own both. I enjoy having all the flavor & the colors and everything in the main rulebook (which comes out for tournaments). I also enjoy having the little rulebook that lives in my army case. It gives me a good option that I can carry with my codicies. I would honestly rather have less models & the mini-rulebook rather than more models and an abridged version of the rules.
I personally want both. Again. The Mini-rulebook was a great thing and I honestly hope that they do release a mini rulebook also. I wouldn't want to get into a game, see it came with rules, and then found out I needed another major rulebook (on top of the appropriate codex) in order to play more of the game.
And for those who don't think this set will be cannibalized, take another look at it and ask yourself if you truly believe that it won't be.
"I'm sorry that you feel that you have to hide behind the name of anonymous. As opposed to putting your name to your feelings."
Becuase "exton" is a real desriptive name, really tells everyone just who you are and how to contact you. COme on dude this is the internet, trying to say that his point is less vaild becuase he didnt put a meaningless name on his post is stupid and you should know that.
@logan, etc. So what your saying is that now that a small rule isent in the set, which would cost $60, and had no modles you liked, your going to DL the rulebook, rather then buy the $50 book? Why dont you just buy the $50 book, and say, hey look GW just saved by $10 by not having to buy the more exspensive set, DLing the book, only hurts the game.
@at whole lot of people.
I get that you dont like that the big book is, well, bigger then small version. But come on, stop being wimps about it, its not that bad..... bunch of cry babies, in 3rd edtion we didnt have small books, and some how we all servied.
falling anvil... acme crate... camp stool... but no chairs here!
later,
Tim
I just heard that the rulebook that is coming in the Gamers Edition is SOFT COVER!
I head this on the droppod cast (which has bad pacing and the guys drone on and on. You'd think they would be better after 42 pocasts...)
25 dollar mini rulebook w/hardback cover would get eaten alive.
who cares if they dont offer a small book in that box,, we just need one out in general..
if GW sold box+small hardcover or box+large it still does good for em..
my 2 cents
Watch the language guys....
If you want a mini rules book just buy the regular one, then download a pdf of it and print out the pages with essential rules in smaller format, shouldn't bee that expensive (I'm not arguing in favor of piracy, you have the book so you paid you share, it's just that you can damage your great new book while scanning it and the pdf is, or rather will be, already there).
Most guys I know bought the McCragge set to get the soft cover book and ended up selling the figures. Having a book that fitted in their army case was the draw card.
If the new set is targeted at getting new players into the game then they're just setting them up to but the full rules later.
Similarly why make figures that can't be got elsewhere and are so detailed they appeal to veteran players? Simple,they want people to buy both.
I'm distinctly unimpressed; their new rule sets make them more money but will annoy lots of people in the process.
I am an avid Warhammer fan, but have only recently become interested in Warhammer 40,000.
I *was* planning on buying this new starter to jumpstart me into 40k.
But now, knowing that it comes with an abridged version of the rules, I will not be purchasing it.
So here is one concrete example of a new player not wanting the starter.
Well, I am definitely going to buy the gamers' edition because the bolter case is so cool.
The boxed set with the miniatures is also a great deal for me as I play both Orkz and Blood Angels. I wasn't exactly happy to read here the boxed Marines will have Ultramarine heraldry on them, so I hope this won't prove to be true.
For me, Games Workshop slowly but surely is the new Apple. Their products have insane prices and I keep telling myself that I will cut down on spending, but they just keep rolling out cool stuff that you simply can't resist.
It is all rumours and speculation! How about we wait until GW actually announces it on their site before we all piss and moan about what we're going to do.
I've seen some pretty crazy threads on GW stuff but at least that was AFTER the product was launched!
I love the big book, it feels like a proper book. The BFM always felt insubstantial to me, like a magazine or something. It felt like I was trialing some chapter approved thing. With a big hardback, when you turned to it, it felt like you were reading out the decrees of the Emperor himself!
My intention has always been to buy the hardback book. Seeing such great minis in the box, my friend and I will be buying a box each - he getting the marines, me getting the orks. I couldn't care less about the pamphlet they put in there, it'll just go the same way the old Citadel Miniatures catalogues they used to put in games did - among a stack of old white dwarf, just in case I want some paint-scheme inspiration some day.
"I am an avid Warhammer fan, but have only recently become interested in Warhammer 40,000.
I *was* planning on buying this new starter to jumpstart me into 40k.
But now, knowing that it comes with an abridged version of the rules, I will not be purchasing it.
So here is one concrete example of a new player not wanting the starter."
But you are not the target audience. You aren't just being introduced to the hobby, you're a hobby vet. Most likely, if the box came with 2 armies you had no interest in you would pass on it as well.
The whole reason for a separate rule book in the first place was so that anyone who already had armies, or who was disinterested in the boxed set forces, could still acquire the rules.
Yes, there are models in the set designed to entice vets to purchase it, but the whole purpose of the box set has always been to introduce Little Timmy to the hobby. You are not Little Timmy.
Yes the boxed minis are a good deal - but they dont help all players. I even have a space marine army I am building now - but the boxed set marines wont help me with it as the army is almost purely Rogue Trader era Space Marines - they look totaly different.
If Im getting the box set it will be broken up, the Orks going to a friend who is interested in the game, the marines will probably go to my girls nephew and maybe get him started, and the rule book and any terrain will stay with me. If the rule book isnt complete then that screws me over
In comparison to other gaming systems that offer boxsets, included abridged rules is normal. You provide enough detail to allow play and become familar with the core rules. It is the hook getting into the game. Yes the previous set spoiled us but they have to do what is the best business decision.
I like the small rulebook from my BoM set but will just need to by the new hardcover rulebook.
"If Im getting the box set it will be broken up, the Orks going to a friend who is interested in the game, the marines will probably go to my girls nephew and maybe get him started, and the rule book and any terrain will stay with me. If the rule book isnt complete then that screws me over"
No, you give that to your girls nephew with the marines.
But really what you're saying, based on the above, is that you're an ideal candidate for the Rulebook, which doesn't screw you over at all.
The greatest part of the BFM box was the mini rulebook. I survived on that for about 2 monthes till I knew I liked the game, then paid my $70 for the full one with all the other goodies.
Regardless, I plan on getting both. The amount of stuff in it is amazing. Even if the quality of the models is the same as BFM stuff, it is still worth it for the price.
Well I just wanna say that I've seen the new rulebook and been through it and to be honest it's leagues ahead of previous 40k reulebooks. The rules are well written and not too confusing or conflicting unlike some past examples.
There really is plenty of changes, and they do make sense too! lots of tweeks to bring more tactical play and stop over-exploitations of the game. C'mon we all know someone who comes out with the cheesy powerplays that make it boring for others!
They really have done a nice job on this, and the book is really a joy to look through, be it the rules section or pictures. Just can't wait to get hold of my own copy!
And the box!, it's gonna be worth it just for the models alone! I just want that captain to lead myown marine army! For a starter box model, thats saying something!
@Da Red Gobbo
If you have read the rulebook, can you confirm that Defensive Weapons are Strength 4?
With the amount of models you get in the starter set, I have no problem buying one box and the rulebook- I'm still saving money
Wow, this sounds like a really good way not to sell the new boxed set. As a new gamer under 4th Ed, you can buy the boxed set, a codex for your army and play. With 5th Ed as a starter, you have to buy the boxed set, codex and 5th Ed rulebook. This is a great way to kill the hobby.
I know that I would probably give up on the game after first buying th box set and liking it, only to find that I still have to spend that much again to get the full rules and my codex. that works out at over $200AU.
Was going to get this box set... but probably not now. First of all...they are molded Ultramarines?? Blech.. Plus, I Love the Mini book for 4th edition. I have a copy in each of my army carriers. I have 5 armies. But GW is cutting down the book in the box set to make us all buy the big books?? Come on.. Seriously...some one said GW does it in order to stay in business??? Gag. They don't make enough profit selling molded plastic models for $40 a box? I just spent 109 bucks at their website and I only got 22 models. I think they make plenty. GIVE US OUR DERN MINI BOOK!
Hmm. Reading through these posts gives me an idea. It might be nice to have a smaller version of the rule book (only what's needed to game), spiral bound (lays flat) with tabbed section dividers (find a rule quickly). Kind of like those writer's reference guides...
True the hardback is a nice buy and good for the bookshelf. But hardbacks get destroyed with heavy use and travel. My poor 4th edit book is nearly splitting at the binding and would be suffering the indignity of being taped together if not for someone giving me the softback. The softback is great for travelling and binding is not something you have to worry about.
Can't say that I approve of the stripping back the mini-book any further. The current is bare basic rules. I wouldn't fancy having to explain that the starter set doesn't have the basic rules and you'll have to shell out for the full rules to keep going. But credit where credit is due GW sales reps have sliver tongues.
The minatures sound nice and inspite of the fears over the rule book it is still going to be a major improvement over BFM. Aside from the rule book that set sucked. The demo with a few minis and basic basic rules was tried and failed as a handful of models doesn't sell it like having an army laid out.
As for piracy, you tend to get what you pay for. Most quality products be they minatures, books, movies, etc aren't effected adversely by this kind of crap because people will want originals with the quality, support and extras associated with them. If u sell crap without any thought for your customers, don't be surprised when they have no loyality and that goes for any business.
Did anyone see the 7 page FAQ and corrections doc for the forgeworld apoc book. Its actually one of the few books printed in England by GW and unfortunately makes a good arguement for outsourcing.
The rulebook will eventually hit the Net for download. Get your copy print off the core pages you want and head over to Kinkos to laminate and bind. Problem solved. Or can scan the pages if opposed to downloading to print and bind. Add your tabs to quick reference items as said above.
Really, this is all just whining over a mini book that you can easily work around. Business model has changed some and that is all there is to it. You are the consumer so either exercise your rights to not buying it or make arrangements now to budget the costs.
i might buy the box set and do what i usually do with codex books etc... borrow them of a friend... he never plays much anyway and he has more money than sence...
I'm goin to get the box just for the miniatures, so many figures and such a small price(compared to other boxed sets;)) I am new to 40 k, but first I want to have a decent army to experiment my painting and gaming skills with friends before I buy a rulebook
but thats just my opinion :D
This "anonymous" guy is a crybaby. This is a great value, full rules or not. It could not even have the rulebook for all I care and still be worth the cost for the models. When I started playing 3rd edition, a friend and I each purchased a starter box (the box w/ marines and dark eldar), split the factions up between us, and we each had a decent number of models to start with. I believe we payed 80+ dollars each for 10 marines, a land speeder, and 20 dark eldar, plus a full rulebook, and some trees and buildings. I think that this new box set is a better deal, having more models and for $20 less.
I (anonymous,May 19, 2008 9:13 AM)agree with dan, the cost is great for the models you get, and I'm also thinking of sharing the contents of the box with a friend
"All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives."
???
More rumors on this?
@Fritz,
Yes that is confirmed. Non-troops cannot claim objectives (you can't get the objective) but they can contest objectives (the opponent doesn't get the objective).
A little more life to your Saim-han than you thought, huh?
I can't believe anyone is taking GW's side in this. No wonder they keep hosing us. So many people just line up and pop on the kneepads and get ready for it.. :(
Instead of a convenient rulesbook and a way to promote the game to new people by not ripping them off and vet gamers trading, selling, or gifting their unwanted minis to them cheap, everyone is forced to buy an overpriced, cumbersome rulesbook on top of everything else.
Or as many people in this thread and that I have talked to in person about this news have said: or just download it.
Which means LESS sales to GW. Skull Pass and Macragge sold very well and brought lots of people into the game.
It sounds like Black Reach WILL NOT. Its only been 3 years since 4th edition came out in 05 thereabouts and more people got it much later. Being told its time to drop 50 on a new rulesbook so soon isn't gonna go down well.
For vets its massively inconvenient and I totally regret the 50 dollar book and wished I had bought Macragge in the first place.
Since I don't pirate, even from a company as bad as GW is, my only option is to print up the grand list of changes that will inevitably be posted and play off that.
And give my 50 dollars and MORE I would have been spending as Black Reach would have gotten me to start a Marine force on companies who aren't ripping their customers off as badly. Its strange smaller games like Field of Glory and AT 43 can sell lovely full color rules books for 35 dollars or less and they don't have anything resembling the market share of GW.
50 bucks in Field of Glory will get me 48 plastic minis AND an army book. Hell, 50 bucks could buy me a Silent Death game in its entirety. (But I already own it so I don't need it.) It can get me some more AT 43 or more ships for Federation Commander.
Games Workshop just keeps doing greedy things and more and more people leave for much greener pastures.
Like all companies (leading to the terrible economic climate the world is in unless you are a CEO or an Oil Baron..) they care more about appeasing shareholders than the customers that make them the blasted money they want in the first place.
I'd split the box witha buddy too...problems is we both want the orks!!!
"All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives."
I think that is a great comprimise, and lets you field most of what you want while still encouraging plenty of troops.
Putting Ultramarine logos on the starter marines is silly... but they could easily become Death Guard with some head swaps and clay.. heck, even glue and flocking can make them look totally different. If nothing else, they can be corpse piles or trophies.
At this point I won't mind getting the main book and a starter set. Guys, I know some of you are upset about the starter rule book being trimmed down, but lets try to keep things civil.
I can't wait for 5th, I'm hoping for the best.
Oh ya!!! I might join a warhammer40k summercamp for $400 and i might get a new rulebook early, with the templates, lazer pointer, small carry case, a boxed set, a blister or baxed set ($30 max), a hobby set, 4 extra paints...
well, since rumor has it that traits are going out the window we're all going to be ultramarines anyways, so no point in filing off the markings :)
As for the whole rulebook thing, you guys get almost $200 worth of minis, and then complain you don't get a rulebook as well? This hobby is expensive, as are most others. I can get a game in of 40k down at my local gaming store on short notice, but i'm pretty sure i'm the only one with flames of war or battletech. There's an advantage that noone seems to take note of.
I think all the complainers need to get a grip!
I know I'm just repeating what other people have said but the box set will be EXCELLENT value for money. I'm going to pre-order one and also a gamers edition rulebook. All the cry-babies who go on about GW's money grabbing need to take another look at what they'll be getting for what they're paying. A good deal in my opinion.
It's true, this is very good value for money, regardless of rule book. But when you factor in the price of the rulebook, it becomes less so; the new boxed set isn't supposed to be a cache of minatures, its supposed to be the new game.
It's not up to the consumer to save a company, GW isn't a charity! GW has been having serious touble with its profits over the last couple of years, which suggests a failing strategy in general, not merely people not buying the rule books.
@Aventine, yes the more I hear the better I am feeling about my Saim-Hann still being playable. My last "worry" is how my jetbikes and vypers on their stands will work with WYSWIG terrain rules- it will be impossible to hide them behind most terrain.
Although eventually I'll buy a rulebook, it'll be after it's reprinted with the inevitable errata changes. If GW wants my money first time round, it should play test the product better.
@Fritz: When WYSIWYG is the rule of the day, removing the bikes from their stands (or having the vertical part be removable so that you can rest the bike on the base) will be a sad necessity. It's unlikely that anyone will fault you for it, though. Perhaps having some switchable realy short stems will hep too.
@everyone else: Stop pontificating about market behavior and disccuss the rules, darn you! How the $%^& can you all be stuck in "I don't/do like the wee rulebook!" when there is the major matter of SCORING UNITS to discuss?
Ahem.
I'm really, really happy to hear that non-troops units can contest but not hold objectives. It's a step towards realism, creates a new dynamic for play, and makes the Troops-centrism slightly more balanced for inter-army competition. Elite armies (and mech armies, etc.) are perhaps back in the running with this revelation.
The Run after Deepstrike thing is not quite so earthshaking, but also an adjustment that will make elite armies more flexible. It does add to the ascendancy of infantry over vehicles in mobility (which is $%^*ing ridiculous), though.
After these revelations, I am less depressed about the likelihood of facing Ork/Conscript/Gaunt/Guardian/Tactical hordes during 75% of tournament games.
They should definitely release a mini version of the full rule book. Like every one else, I love it for traveling. Maybe if enough people say it, it will happen! :)
Well it says in the main rulebook that you get a 'pocket sized version of the rulebook in the box'
Oh and to all you negative people out there who moan about gw, for whatever reasons you have, Why? I mean who moans about their hobby? If you really don't ejoy it enough to actually warrent telling the world about how crap it is, then why do you even bother still doing the hobby and looking up sites like this?
I'm not against free speach or anything it's just that 'YOUR HOBBY' should be fun. And if you enjoy something you really don't mind paying the price tag. Rant over...
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> 10 years ago when the book was >still around $50 it was more than 2 >tanks of gas. Now its the price of a >tank of gas.
Jeez - I live in the UK - a tank of gas (well, diesel in my car) is £80... so around $160 - I long for the days when diesel was less than (equivalent) $2 per litre - Fuel now retails at around £1.26 per litre, well in excess of $10 a gallon...
At US GW prices I could buy three of these for a tank of fuel!
Mind you, GW UK has commensurately higher prices too...
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