40K BREAKING: Harlequin Voidweaver Sighted!

 

Harlequins-graceful

The new Starweaver transport is a COMBO KIT with an alternative build – the Voidweaver gunboat!  Come see.

It’s been super busy with the rumors this week… Here’s the latest info and pics doing the rounds on the tubes:

via CaptainCitadel 2-10-2015 

“The new skimmer kit makes two different vehicles. Smashing!”

 

Behold the Starweaver’s stablemate, the Voidweaver, which apparently is the non-transport little gunboat. It can also split fire with both of those top weapons (and has a third underneath).

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Here’s the skinny on that funky forward gun:

 

Prismatic Cannon

-Dispersed 24″ S3 AP4 Heavy1, Large blast

-Focussed 24″ S5 AP3 Heavy1, Blast

-Dispersed 24″ S7 AP2 Heavy1, Lance

 FULL HARLEQUIN RUMOR ROUNDUP

Lots more info and rules there, go look!

~I’m always happy to see more units, but how does the gunner man both guns? I guess he moves back and forth like the backseat gunner on some WW1 2-seater fighters.

  • Kevin Maloney

    Interesting. I hope it comes in squadrons.

    This, in my opinion, is what Codex: Legion of the Damned SHOULD have been. An actual, dedicated army, with actual HQ, Elite, FA and HS options, instead of just a single, spammable unit. Even if it was just a small army list, it would have been a lot better for giving some variety.

    Personally, I’m really liking what I’m seeing of the Harlies so far. I don’t care if they break the meta or wind up never seeing a single tournament, the fact that GW are making them is awesome enough in its own right.

    • D W Hawthorne

      No HQ for Quins.

      • Drayke

        where have you heard that from? we don’t know what the shadowseer, death jester, and other new character are going to be.

        all we know is that atm the old shadowseer and death jester models are listed as elite which means nothing since they are getting new models

      • Ross Gustafson

        They are going to have an HQ. This is a full out army release. We know next week will be preorders for the transport, the clampacks, codex, cards, and painting guide. This is like a grey knights sized army for eldar.

        • Drayke

          nope all characters are elites according to the leaked FOC

          • Luke Roberts

            This assumes that they don’t introduce rules where HQ’s are non-existant, but whatever.

          • Chris. K Cook

            You Mean like in the Assasin Detachment or the Legion of the Damned Detachment?

        • Void Dragon

          Yeah, sorry. It’s a “full army”, all right, but one without HQ.

          • Chris. K Cook

            Yep welcome to 7th ed.

            The more new stuff that won’t fit into the Neuterhammer 5th/6th/7th ed systems that too many of the tournies want to use the better. Time to join the rest of us having fun in 7th, you remember fun right guys?

          • Kevin Maloney

            That stinks. I was really hoping for a Great Harlequin, Shadowseer or Avatar of the Laughing God HQ.

        • Void Dragon

          Yeah, sorry. It’s a “full army”, all right, but one without HQ.

      • Kevin Maloney

        What? You mean the Shadowseer won’t be an HQ choice?

      • Chris. K Cook

        No Great Harlequin then? Well If that is the case then the can’t be taken as Allies or even as a core Detachment but As I assume a special Detachment like the Inquisition, Assassins and Legion of the Damned.

        • PinkyandtheBrain

          No HQ means they can’t be taken in a CAD or Allied Detachment. They have their own detachment that can be part (or all) of a battle forged army. I assume they may also have some Formations to give you other detachment options. Also the command benefits of the Masque detachment need to be very good as it is effectively as limited as a Formation so you need strong benefits to make you choose that over Unbound.

          • Matt

            Good catch. I hadn’t thought of that.

          • Chris. K Cook

            Yeah thats basically what I was trying to say But you said it better.

          • Chris. K Cook

            Core Detachment is the Name of the non Allies part of a CAD Detachment IIRC.

          • A.P.

            Same Faction, include them into an CW Eldar CAD if you wish, Include them in a DE List. it dont matterthese days…

          • Chris. K Cook

            Thats not how it works.

          • A.P.

            Same factions can fill any role in a CAD, as of yet Harlequins have no faction. We will have to see if they create a new faction or combine them with CW and DE. But to my point a Tau army for instance can use Units from either the main book or the Farsight as choices to fill a CAD. Same for any army of the same Faction Kights as LoW is a good example. You just have to read the fine print in some of those Supplements, as many 7th ed Supps specify which units can be used for what. E.G Waagh Gaz says that rules from that book may be used in any formation from that book and so on.

    • Ross Gustafson

      Rules are up on Forge the Narrative’s facebook page. They come in squadrons up to 3. 75 points each with the haywire cannon and for 5 points they can bump up to the prismatic cannon.

    • David Dutton

      Agreed, I like the mysterious background of the legion of the damned, but the lack of anything other than troops is shameful and no I do not consider making one sarge an “HQ” as an actual HQ option.

      For all the effort given to harlequins, they could have at least made a LotD Captain clampack model and a “vehicle upgrade kit” for LotD to give them more options. Plus, since most upgrade kits are online order it would quickly have made it’s money back.

      • Muninwing

        on the opposite side, i took out of storage an old first-release box of LotD for upgrading when they came out.

        c’mon… why spam such an expensive army? throw a 5-man squad with melta, multimelta (and does sarge get combi-meltas?) and deepstrike them next to their primary target. hope they life to attack a secondary one, but call it even if they don’t.

        use a detachment, so you don’t worry about FOC, and life is easy.

        • Chris. K Cook

          But But 7th ed is scarry. I want to play NeuterHammer with all the other WAAC Tourny guys.

          • ClownBabyROK

            Show us on the doll where the tournament player touched you.

  • jasonsation

    Really, I feel like most vehicles should have split fire. A Leman Russ has a crew of 6 and they all have to fire at the same unit???

  • I suppose every army needs a useless light skimmer. Well, at least it’s cute.

    • DoctorBored

      The weapons on it are pretty nasty though, and they’re cheap enough that you could take lots of them.

      • …and 10/10/10, 2 HP I’m sure. How long are those weapons going to be operational when they’re vulnerable to bolters?

        • Drayke

          The obvious response is don’t put them in range of bolters turn 1 so they get a chance to shoot.

          but with 24″ guns that will take some work so they will be in range of their targets during their turn.

          • Me

            I would be surprised if they don’t have hit and run.

          • Drayke

            why would a vehicle need hit and run they can’t be locked in combat?

          • Me

            Maybe hit and run is the wrong term (I am still learning all of this). I mean the ability to move-fire-move. I hope they have something like that with the 24″ range along with the light armor and low hull points.

        • deris87

          Which is why no one spams Venoms, amirite?

          • No idea if that was irony or not, since I can count the number of local DE players on one hand with fingers to spare, and only one of those runs any Venoms at all.

            Assuming no irony: the role of the Voidweaver is different from the Venom. It’s a light gunship more analogous to a Land Speeder or Piranha, while the Venom is really an assault ship. The last time I saw someone use a Land Speeder was a couple of editions ago, while Piranhas are useful for reasons the Voidweaver can’t replicate: they’re cheap enough to be disposable, are capable of punching far above their weight class with Fusion or reaching out to significant distance with Seekers, and they come with another solid Fast Attack unit built in.

            I guess we’ll see if the ‘weaver’s wargear options change that, but if they follow typical Eldar pricing, throwing enough equipment on them to make them truly useful will probably end up driving their price up into medium tank territory.

          • James Adams

            damn… I play D.E and Marines and have a venom and 9 speeders! (but then for some reason I just like them

          • I love the concept behind light skimmers as attack craft and CAS, but, like Walkers, their rules just don’t work well. They aren’t fast enough to make up for how fragile they tend to be; why bother with AV 10 and 2 HP when I can pay a few points more for a well-rounded medium vehicle like a Devilfish or Razorback, or about the same price for a unit type that actually has something unique going for it like JP Infantry or a Jetbike?

      • Matt Lewis

        ? Where are these nasty weapons of which you speak? one of the cannons is effectively useless and the prismatic blaster isn’t good at anything.

        • deris87

          Pretty sure a S5 AP3 blast is definitely useful. The gun is versatile enough to be useful against most things. Even the Lance shot works well with the canon for light tank hunting.

          • Matt Lewis

            lioght tank hunting ? may as well stick with the shuri cannon and haywire gun, for no extra points invested. It’s all glass no cannon. would it have hurt to have the only heavy support choice with a decent gun ? theres nothing to balance out the cost/fragility in terms of damage output. it’s simply not very good

  • sleeplessknight

    I see that holofields are standard equipment for the vehicles. I also see that they now confer a 5+ invulnerable save onto the vehicle instead of giving them stealth. That will be quite the nerf for Eldar vehicles when this rule is applied to the future redo of the Eldar codex.

    • Ross Gustafson

      You have no idea what the future redo of eldar is or when it will happen. I don’t think GW knows when they will do it.

      • sleeplessknight

        I don’t have any idea when a future redo of Eldar would happen but I’ll bet’cha $10 they’ll be using the Harlequin holofield rules for their vehicles.

        • deris87

          Who knows? It’s the exact opposite of what they did in the in the DE book–Night Shields that the majority of vehicles can get grant Stealth and the 5++ Flickerfield is only available on the Venom. Considering these are Venom variants, maybe they’re just going for some symmetry there.

        • A.P.

          Especial since they changed Tau Disruption pods in one of the first 7th FAQ to be the same as Eldar Holo Fields.

          • Drayke

            but tau don’t have to move to get that. eldar do

          • A.P.

            True, they are now actually a little better but the Mechanic is not removed.

        • A.P.

          Especial since they changed Tau Disruption pods in one of the first 7th FAQ to be the same as Eldar Holo Fields.

    • Brettila

      Are you kidding? I can’t wait to have a 5+ on every vehicle.

    • Djbz

      Hmmm, 5+ invulnerable without having to fire snap shots next turn vs 3+ cover and needing snap shots.

      Can Dark Eldar Ravagers/Razorwings/Voidravens steal Craftworld Eldar holo-fields please???
      Pretty please?

      • Avensis Astari

        They’ll rename them to Pain Fields, and they’ll confer a 6+ IWND after Turn 5, though.

  • rkwilkin12

    I don’t particularly care for the 2 whole points but running in squads would make up for it plus free holo fields there already better and cheaper then vypers with holo fields and shurikannons

  • Nick1080

    hmm, so that looks…dumb. One gunner, two guns, just looks clunky to me. the prismatic cannon barrel looks clunky too. Still, nothing I can’t fix easily – make an underslung mount for the shuri cannon under the nose and come up with a better barrel for the prism and the job’s a good’un.

    Like the cloak on the gunner though

    • I like it too, but… an open air gunner… yes, let me wear this huge flapping cape that will never blow around and get in the way.

      • You forget these are Eldar – that’s an “infinity cape” – it follows your every mental command…

      • euansmith

        If only Isadora Duncan had listened to you… 😉

        • Me

          I had to look this up… Freaking ouch! Well… maybe she didn’t feel it, but it hurt just reading about it.

        • And Thunderhead, Dynaguy, Stratogirl… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M68ndaZSKa8

          • euansmith

            And poor Dollar Bill with the revolving door…

    • Perversor

      there is an underslung shuriken cannon too.

      The voidweaver comes with 2x shuriken cannons (one rear mounted) and a haywire canon plus a 5++ invul save and the option for a 4++ save once per match just for 25 more points than a vyper.and upgrade the haywire to prysmatic cannon it’s just an extra 5 points

    • DoctorBored

      The rear one is extra special. I’m thinking they built it this way to stop people from doing what they did with Dark Eldar Venom Spam. The rear gun can shoot at a different target, but ONLY a target in the rear facing of the vehicle. What the crap is this?

      • Drayke

        If you look at it if the turret turned around to fire at a target in the front arc it would knock out/kill the gunner for the main gun so the rule makes sense based on the model.

        what I want to know is who is supposed to be operating the freaking thing.

        • Bhazakhain

          Could be a spirit stone thing…

          • Chris. K Cook

            Or the Pilot via a holoscreen?

          • Drayke

            Harlequins don’t use spirit stones they actually have no use for them because of the laughing god.

          • Bhazakhain

            I know, but was wondering if they still had other uses for them.

        • A.P.

          a Harlequin is so agile one can operate two guns simultaneously. this is an assumption.

      • Matt Lewis

        You may as well not model it on and never use it. Derp

        • Rich_B

          If you run them as a shoal with your transports, to increase the number of available targets and dilute their firepower while cutting into enemy lines I think you’ll be surprised how often you get to use it. Doesn’t mean I like how it looks though…

    • Chris. K Cook

      It might be fired by the Pilot?

  • Manwiththedogs

    The rear weapon looks far too big for the mounting. Not very sleek and therefore not very Eldar. Passing on this one. Venoms look way better.

  • Me

    Will these cost (as in money) the same as Venoms?

    • A.P.

      $10 more

      • Me

        @#$@!%

  • Tynskel

    Why do people complain about ‘no hq’. Hasn’t anyone heard of formations?

    • deris87

      And apparently a unique detachment with no HQ is out of the question too. /s

      It does kind of suck you can’t take them as an Allied detachment.

    • GiftoftheMagi

      We have already evidence of one HQ, the Shadowdancer. I am willing to bet the Codex will have at least the option to make a HQ out of the Troupe box

    • Crablezworth

      I’ve heard of formations, there those terrible things they forced into 40k from apoc….

      • Tynskel

        terrible, oh I get it:

        Terribly Awesome.

  • GiftoftheMagi

    I am ok with the cost being a bit more than a Venom, because it is a multi-unit box set. I bet with a bit of creative pinning and magnets, we can get two models from one. Also, the only view here is a slightly turned front view, which prevents us from seeing just how big the open area is. I’ll reserve judgement until I see a full side view.