40K BREAKING – NEW KHORNE CODEX

 

KhorneMark

The Blood God looks to be coming to 40k, checkout next week’s new releases!

Seems like the rumors were true for 40k Chaos legion rules, as today’s news says a new Chaos Space Marines / Daemon codex is on the way.

Couple this with the release list for Sisters of Battle, and 2015 is looking to be a hot year for the 40k scene!

via one of Gary’s birds

Codex: Khorne Daemonkin £30
120pg hardback Codex. Rules for fielding a combined force of Khornate Chaos Space Marines with Daemons of Khorne.
Warhammer 40,000 Datacards: Khorne Daemonkin
45 reference cards; 36 tactical objective cards; and 9 large-format ‘Blood for the Blood God’ cards.
Khorne Daemonkin Warband £140
10 Chaos Space Marines; 5 Possessed Chaos Space Marines; 5 Chaos Terminators; a Chaos Helbrute; 3 Bloodcrushers of Khorne; 12 Khorne Berserkers; and a Resin Herald of Khorne.
Also New Citadel model cases
Skirmish – 100 infantry size case
Battle – 200 infantry case
Crusader – 400 infantry case

Chaos Space Marines Rumor Round Up

Khorne always seems to get the new toys first!  Who do you think will be next?

  • TweetleBeetle

    So can people shut up about the Legion books now? They are coming, and they will be every bit as solid as every book in this edition (except Eldar, which needs to be scaled back). Yet people will still find reasons to complain first, while still spending money on and playing with it.

    • Commissar Molotov

      “They are coming, and they will be every bit as solid as every book in this edition”

      Pretty bold assertion. What are you basing it on?

      • Full Meta Jacket

        its based on a hope on upvotes

        • khegrow

          made my day. nice one 🙂

          • Full Meta Jacket

            its kind of funny how similar the number of BOLS article comment upvotes is to american politics: he who is loudest, outlandish, and most obnoxious usually gets center stage.

            paging u/eric setzer

          • chris2155

            setzer is definitely a delta bravo

      • Moik

        Not that I agree with the spirit of his post, but the last edition of GW’s books was closer than ever, and I’d be very confident to say that the current edition is balanced; far more than it ever been.

        It’s boring as I’ll get out, derivative, and I’m not a fan of the design choices, but I can’t deny that the balance of what I ever wouldn’ve expected from GW two years ago.

    • Fenriryan

      Ah…. No word on Legeion rules yet, so far all we know is Chaos getting Bro Dexes for Daemons and Marines together.
      And even if they do this for each god, what about the Legions not so solidily aligned with a god, if a all – Night Lords, Iron Warriors et all.

      • Secundum

        Just field vanilla marines for Night Lords. the Night Lords books make them seem exactly the same way as the loyalists-shunning deamons, no chaos stuff etc. They just happen to be on the other side.

        • Johannes Dingle

          True. Fw space shark chapter tactics are pretty much night lords.

        • DoctorBored

          This answer is so sickening it’s not even funny. It would be like someone recommending to represent Ultramarines with the Black Legion rules, just without buying any of the Chaos upgrades.

          • Secundum

            Have you actually read any of the Night Lords books? They can’t really be represented with the Chaos Codex. Sure, use the Night Lords models, but they don’t use daemons, still have ‘brother-sergeant’, ‘brother-captain’ ‘brother-apothecary’ etc. Those touched by chaos are shunned, they have contempt for anyone who uses chaos, and despise having to work with the other traitor legions. They even believe in the Imperium…Just not with the emperor leading it.

          • Charon

            Drop pods…

          • euansmith

            Bring the beats back!

          • Secundum

            *Snaps fingers* Oh yeah! I forgot they use them as well. Though they use them slightly differently-usually it’s dropping one squad behind enemy lines to sabotage/slit throats etc. before the main force arrives. Though to be fair they did that even when they were loyalist. Anyway, back to my main point-I just had a quick look through the Chaos Codex, and can’t find any way to make them work with it-to make a proper Night Lords list you can’t take most of the codex, no chaos gifts/wargear/marks/etc.
            Imo use raptors, codex marines with the Night Lords conversion kit (they still wear imperial armour, just with the Aquila etc. slashed through or smashed-easy to do with a hobby knife). Then just avoid the ‘modern’ choices in the codex such as Centurions, Thunderfire Cannons, and the newer Land Raider variants.

          • Charon

            You always have the option of “looted” stuff. The Soul Hunter does use loyalist armor to replace his own broken parts, uses a stolen Blood Angels Relic Blade and wears looted Salamander Terminator Armor and an Assault Cannon in his final battle on Tsalgualsa.

          • Secundum

            Yeah, but my Talos…ah…Deca I think the new Talos is called…Is staying as an Apothecary (with special rules written up if my opponent agrees).

          • BrianDavion

            I HAVE read the Nightlord books. and I don’t mistake Talos for “all nightlords”

          • Secundum

            No, but it’s stated repeatedly (and shown when the Night Lords abandon Abaddon at the end of book 1) that it’s the norm for Night Lords, and while they DO have those who’ve fallen to Chaos, it’s rare. For example, the possessed captain keeps trying to be a Warband, but every other Night Lords Company in the book keeps calling him on this.

          • Charon

            Thats the way it has become. Raven Guard chapter tactics is a very good way to to field Alpha Legion, besides that you are BB with the imperium and can make use of “Chaos Knights”, Corrupted PDF/Traitor Legion, Rogue Inquisitors,… without any Ld or 12″ punishment

          • yoash barak

            Why? having one army stand in for another is not that odd. especially not with freaking MARINES
            Do you realize you have 6 marine codecies, the “codex marines” and “chaos marine” being so big they incoperate multiple units within them?
            That between marines alone you got more unit types than the entire eldar race, and a “codex marines” alone has more options than the entire Tau Empire-a freaking coalition of races.

            And that’s before you enter forgeworld, who is marine centric on 30k, and heavily represented in 40k too.

            You do NOT possibly expect a codex for every freaking one, especially when so many are so damn SIMILAR. if you take just one maxed out unit of each type avilable across all marine books, ignoring effective duplicants you get more than an entire chapter’s worth of units.

    • plasmaspam

      This isn’t a legion supplement, it’s not a World Eaters book. It’s a book that’ll allow the fielding of MoK CSM alongside daemons in a single CAD, no doubt with some formations. Hopefully it will allow cult terminators.

      So I’m afraid I won’t be shutting up anytime soon, until I see Nigh Lords, Iron Warriors, and/or Alpha Legio.

      And for what it’s worth, I for one haven’t spent penny on new CSM during the tenure of the current codex.

      I suppose what im trying to say is, I reserve my right to carry on complaining.

      Sorry dude.

      • Craig Biddulph

        I find it amusing that I am running a Death Guard army led by Mortarian and Calas Typhon, using proper cult units. I play against Sons of Horus led by the big man himself. Legion rules are here, get your head out of the sand and go buy them.

        • Yep. If you want Legion rules go 30K or go home.

          • Necky

            for those 30k armies that have legion rules.(and no im not talking about the generic rules for stubborn or furious charge)

          • Well the only Traitor Legion missing rules now is Thousand Sons, so…

        • CertainlyNOTmccarthy

          Iron warriors? Night lords? Alpha Legion? Did I miss anything? No?

        • plasmaspam

          I find Fawlty Towers and Blackadder amusing, but each to their own I suppose.

          But to come back to the topic if Legion rules, 30k and 40k are different games. There is no Calas Typhon nor a Primarch called Mortarion in M41, there is Typhus the Herald of Nurgle, and his Daemon Prince. No harm in you mixing your rulesets, but please avoid being obnoxious in dismissing those who don’t wish to do so.

          Or, to put it another way, take your head out your @$$ and accept some folk – shock horror – maybe aren’t interested in 30k…

          • Necky

            If you love Blackadder, you’ll love the thin blue line.

          • plasmaspam

            Yes, but not as much. In terms of timelines I moved onto Men Behaving Badly and Game On.

          • euansmith

            Not quite the same quality of writing, but some nice characters and situations…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzoz2FgAOxE

          • Craig Biddulph

            It’s the same game.

          • plasmaspam

            Same game mechanic.

            Different setting. Different meta. Different balance (if any).

            Different game. By your logic, there’s no difference between these and WFB.

          • Craig Biddulph

            This is the rule book for both games. The Horus Heresy list applies a new FoC, limitations to how many Lords of War you can take, prevents you from taking multiple detachments, allows only a single ally and doesn’t get Objective Secured. Sounds to me like an alternate codex with extreme restrictions, not a different game.

          • plasmaspam

            So you agree it’s completely the same game mechanics, thanks for admitting this publicly.

            If you rock up with your Mortarion + Typhon list to play against 40k Salamanders, I take it you’ll have no issue with your opponent fielding Vulkan then?

          • Craig Biddulph

            You say that as if I have tried to say it’s different mechanics. All along I’ve said that it’s the same game. Please keep up. 🙂 I’d have an issue with it in that Codex Space Marines doesn’t have access to the Primarch Vulkan. He’s not in their Codex. That’s not to say I wouldn’t play against it, as I’ve played against 40k Space Wolves with attached Horus (and lost). If I were playing Codex Space Marines and ran a Revenant Titan, I would be doing the same thing as if I ran Vulkan.

          • plasmaspam

            This is all going way over your head so I’m just going to stop here now.

          • Craig Biddulph

            No, it’s really not. For some reason people like you seem to want to keep 30k and 40k separate, as if 30k is the domain of elite super gamers, and as if it is completely incomparable with regular 40k play. It is the same game of toy soldiers.

          • plasmaspam

            Yes, it really is!

            For some reason people like me would take issue with people like you stamping your feet insisting you will use your preferred rules outwith any context, whilst simultaneously denying your opponent the same courtesy.

          • Craig Biddulph

            How would I force anything on my opponent? This game requires a certain social contract. If my opponent had issue with me using ANYTHING, I am not going to use it. So far in this discussion you haven’t told me any reason for not wanting me to use my toys, other than “I don’t want you to”. That’s fine, but just admit it instead of using a host of arguments that don’t stand up.

          • plasmaspam

            Again, this argument is going so far over your head it’s practically in orbit Let me spell it out for you:

            1/ you write a passive-aggressive post about your amusement regarding your preference to field a 30k army list in games of 40k, directly in support of someone who demands people “shut up now” about legion supplements.

            2/ i amongst others argue that your 30k army list isn’t really meant to be used in a 40k setting, acknowledging that the rulesets mechanics are the same. And it’s your prerogative to try and use your armies in any gaming environment you choose, just don’t expect everyone else to agree.

            3/ in the space of one s entence you say you’d have a problem with somebody wanting to field Legion Salamanders against your Legion Death Guard, but that you once had great fun playing Horus alongside 40k Space Wolves.

            Bottom line – you don’t seem to have an actual argument to make, just that you like bringing your chess men to a checkers game and everyone should just do what you want or you’ll go in a huff.

            Have a good life.

          • Craig Biddulph

            So long as people stick to the rules, or if they wish to break them, warn me beforehand, I have no issues. How is that difficult? You are the one “in a huff” here. I am in favour of an inclusive gaming system where people can have fun with their toys.

          • vonevilstein

            Cool but I’d rather 40k didn’t become 30k season 2. When I started 40K back with rogue trader the Imperium was humanity’s stand against the ferocity of the galaxy and the warp. Now people seem to want turn it into 20 variants of power armoured dudes having a p*ssing/biggest c*ck contest. Not only is this utterly yawnsville but not the grisly dystopian future it was originally conceived as. To me power-armour-off is a different game, time and universe – that game and time is 30k.

          • euansmith

            Hi, I’m Chad Merryweather of the Yawnsville Chamber of Commerce. Whilst we don’t have any “powered armor”, we do hold an annual p*ssing contest to commemorate the Flood of 1907. Y’all stop by, now; the more the merrier!

        • daboarder

          yeah dude, you look totally intelligent with that snarky comment, that’ll learn em not to specify 40k

          • Better models, better rules; why worry if it is technically 40K?

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        its as near as we are going to get to a Legion book for 40K. I’m happy it means I can field Daemons with my CSM from a single book, like I could before they took Daemons out of the CSM dex. I hope they do the same thing for the other three Chaos Powers, though of course I’d have greatly preferred a single book which handled Daemons, Marked Marines and Undivided traitors the way the 2nd Ed dex did. It would have been cheaper for a start and I don’t know how many more overpriced books I can justify.

        • Marky

          in game terms it means deamons and marines of the same god are a single force, so you need allies to run khorne deamons, khorne marines and tzeench deamons +tzeentch marines. Makes sense to me (and costs more money so gw are happy too).

        • Brettila

          And heavy books to lug around…

        • Secundum

          It would be nice if they bought back possession. That was a fun game mechanic. Sacrifice your character at an opportune moment, or wait till he dies and have automatic possession, but at the expense of a more unstable Daemon.

    • CertainlyNOTmccarthy

      Wow. You are delusional!

    • amaximus167

      1 book for Khornite CSM’s with Demons does not = Legion books.

    • Malthrak

      Except this doesn’t appear to be a Legion book, this is a Khornate book. Not the same thing.

      We have no idea if GW will actually get around to fleshing out the whole line

      • amaximus167

        Eh, TweetleBeetle just likes to tell people to shut up with very little reason as to why we should.

    • 6Cobra

      Oh. Muh. Gawd. Did TweetleBeetle just say something mildly critical about a GW product (Eldar codex)?

    • daboarder

      yawn, or you no, you could just shut up and let us enjoy it. Because unless your delusional enough to think that these are related to the 4th ed book, then our complaints up to now have been valid

    • Archmike

      This isnt a legion book. From what im reading here it just marines with the mark of khorne and khorne demons. Doesn’t even mention anythign about world eaters.

    • BT

      Or will it be a ‘2 pages of rules’ super supplement? Because the actual current Chaos Marine Codex is only 102 pages, so I am guessing I will have 40 pages instead of 20 pages of show case on how to paint their awesome figs, because real 40k consumers are collectors and not gamers.

  • Blackfel

    Definitely a step in the right direction, if true. Chaos legions/factions have been a (mostly) untapped resource for years, and if GW does it right, they can really increase the sales of Chaos armies. Hope they do better with the names though. Khorne Daemonkin is a little bland.

    • Full Meta Jacket

      “nuns with flamethrowers” achievement locked

      “even more psychotic space marines covered in blades and spikes” achievement locked

      “weird imperial gothic technological cyborgs” achievement locked

      each achievement carries a vast amount of profit.

      maybe these are analogies GW marketing would understand?

    • 6Cobra

      Well, I prefer this name to Khorne Slaughter-rage Wrathbloods, which was the alternate choice..

      • DoctorBored

        I’d heard the WIP title was Khorne Bloodwrath Fearkill Slaughterblood Crimsonaxe Skullbloodtakers of Blood

        • Commissar Molotov

          “This title needs more angry words. Oh, yeah – and blood.” – GW

  • Secundum

    Can this be….DEAMONS AND CHAOS MARINES IN THE SAME CODEX!? Imo the only reason that it’s not Codex: World Eaters is for break-away warbands etc.

    • Lutharr

      well tbh the world eaters are only a small portion of actual khorne following space marines 😀

      • Necky

        This is true, but it would be nice to just label this codex Codex: World Eaters. Either way, giving Chaos some love is a nice start and I’m sure it will sell well.

        • Lutharr

          call it whatever they like for me tbh. Aslong as the book has substance im sold. Otherwise ill pass it by

          • Shiwan8

            It will not have any.

          • Lutharr

            ill reserve judgement til ive seen it tbh. Im not that big on doomsaying, but i understand folks not being that excited given past codexes

          • wibbling

            Get well soon.

          • Lutharr

            ???

          • amaximus167

            It was a joke about your lack of ‘ in I’ll…

          • Lutharr

            duh lol. i brainfarted there

          • amaximus167

            It happens to all of us.

        • Marky

          I prefer khorne to world eaters. Since that’s what it is.
          alpha legion are where my $ are waiting though.

      • Secundum

        Yeah, but they’re the largest warband, and the most iconic.

        • Lutharr

          true enough but calling it world eaters may not be accurate to whats inside the book.

        • deris87

          Sure, but if World Eaters players are going to sit there and complain because it doesn’t explicitly say “World Eaters” on it, even though it has Khorne themed special rules for fielding Marines and Daemons together, and will probably still have a great deal of emphasis on WEs, that’s just being obnoxious.

    • plasmaspam

      No – because there are no such things as “deamons”!

      • Secundum

        typo. *Daemons*

  • Necky

    This is still a warband Codex. This isn’t World Eaters, we want Legion Codices, and not watered down CSM/Daemon codex.

    Although following the power-curve, it should be nice and will probably have some nice formations in it to ally with Crimson Slaughter.

    • vonevilstein

      I don’t. I want a codex with all the unit choices available to one god. Khorne specifically, but I would love to see books for the other remaining dark gods. We’ve got 30k for Legions.

    • Can we wait for the book before making pronouncements, the World Eaters were shattered, they are khorne warbands now, the question is whether the rules do them justice.

      • Necky

        What’s in a name, you ask?
        Rate these two statements into cool factor:
        “Hey what army do you play?”

        “I’m playing World Eaters”
        “I’m playing Khorne Daemonkin”

        • Do you say “I am playing Codex: Adeptus Astartes Blood Angels,” or “Astra Militarum?” Of course not, you say Blood Angels and imperial guard. If you are running World Eaters you refer to them as world eaters. I call my Arbites “arbites” even though their codex is named Astra Militarum. That’s a silly issue.

          • Necky

            Silly for you, maybe. But the fans of chaos have been chomping at the bit for Legion specific rules for about 8 years now right? if GW would like to shore up their bottom line, Chaos would be a big cash cow.

          • Except “legion specific rules” means completely different things for different legions. The World Eaters legion was shattered into rival warbands that worship khorne. Without seeing what is in the book, it is impossible to say whether it will give us rules to properly represent the world eaters.

          • Necky

            i feel the naming means they want all manner of khornate things mixed together in the book. so go out and buy your khorne forgefiend, and your khorne mutilators backed up by your khorne warpsmith.

            While crimson slaughter is very close to what a word bearers army could look like, GW didn’t name it “word bearers”. It’s almost as if GW knows what the fans want, but doesn’t want to give it to them for some unknown reason.

            At the end of the day i will be happy if it has some decent formations which i can splash into my Nurgle themed CS army

          • All of those things would be expected in a world eaters warband, you’d also see brass scorpions (also made by the dark mechanicus and maintained by warp smiths), and mutilators are just mutated close combat terminators, which the world eaters would definitely employ. I’m not sure how a book of purely khorne marked units would not give you a world eaters army. But, as has been noted elsewhere, most khorne armies aren’t world eaters. Why name it world eaters when it has the tools to give you any khorne dedicated force (maybe even pure khorne daemons?)

          • Djbz

            Well the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolf codexes can be used to make successor chapters yet they have those names…

          • So would you say that we don’t have a codex for Flesh Tearers because the codex with their units that works with their formation doesn’t say Flesh Tearers on it? If not you aren’t saying anything relevant to OP’s point

          • amaximus167

            I think he is just saying that it could be called World Eaters and still include the fractured warbands.

            Not that I really care as long as the rules are decent.

          • Djbz

            My point is that the original legions should have the book and “successors/similar warbands” should be made from them like every single one of the loyalist codexes.
            Rather we get a book about those similar warbands that can be used to make the original guys in the complete opposite way for no apparent reason

          • And my point is that the distinction you are making is in your head, there isn’t a World Eaters legion anymore, and calling it World Eaters would completely gloss over the fact that it is a book about Khorne, including his daemon and physical followers, which of course includes the World Eaters

          • amaximus167

            Space Wolves successors?

          • Djbz

            Yes, they exist, they just aren’t mentioned much

          • amaximus167

            Um, nope. They mutated and became renegade, the ones that didn’t get destroyed. Follow the link below.

            “After this, the Space Wolves would forever remain alone, the sole inheritors of the legacy of Leman Russ.”

            http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Wolf_Brothers

          • Djbz

            Still perfectly viable to make Space wolfs into them. They would just be from before the chapter imploded, or a company that got lost in the warp etc.
            One of the good things about 40k is you can make up any background for your army that you feel like(pretty much)
            Like you can make a force of “descendants” of the members of the 9 Traitor legions that didn’t turn renegade.

          • amaximus167

            Sure, you could for the tabletop. But fluff wise they don’t have a viable successor chapter.

          • wibbling

            The Arbites are the police force. Not Imperial Guard.

          • 6Cobra

            *groan* *facepalm*

            Wibbling, I hereby award you the “Stewie Griffin Award” for being the most pedantic poster on BoLS.

          • Yes and yet when I refer to my Arbites it is by their proper name not the codex used

  • Freelander

    Khorne khorne khorne hurrah. Have played the last three events with mostly Khorne armies. I have been rewarded from the skull throne!!!

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    I am down for this!

    Time to get my Khorne on!

  • latro990

    I WANT TO BELIEVE, it will be good.

    My mind tells me:
    100 pages of rehased fluff
    10 pages of bad formations
    10 pages of missions
    5 pages explaining you need the csm and daemons codex for the formations included

    • houseofpaine

      15 pages of color pictures of models and battle scenes that we’ve seen before that probably add to half the printing costs.

    • If it is listed as a codex (which it seems to be) it will include all the data sheets for the units in the book

      • deris87

        Fair point. We’ve had “supplements” that don’t include datasheets, but I don’t think we’ve seen anything labeled a codex that didn’t. Even the pamphlet that was the Harlequins book was still labeled a “codex” and had all the relevant datasheets.

    • generalchaos34

      you know…if they ever made the formations fun or good then maybe

      • Kevin Buesse

        I would point you to the more recent codexes and the formations there in. Good certainly fun, I’m not sure as I don’t play those books. Still the crons and angels got several formations each and even to my uncertain eye they look like at least a few are fun and useful.

    • silentRaven

      Oh yeah. I’m not buying it unless it makes Khorne CSM/Beserkers as effective in Close combat as Tau are in shooting (that includes getting there of course).

      No way in hell is it going to happen. No way in hell.

      • Secundum

        Just make them count as cavalry (speed of Khorne or wotnot).

        • Or have actual Berserker cavalry, riding Juggernauts, not just Lords, as an alternative to Juggernaut models being counts-as Thunderwolfs.

          • Shiwan8

            You want to pay 2*juggerlord just to get a min squad?

          • Orodruin

            I’d be down. That’s the army I’d want to play most of all. Flood the table in Juggernauts mounted by Berzerkers or somesuch.

          • Shiwan8

            Good for GW.

      • UComeneserse
        • Orodruin

          We meet again!

  • Captyn Bob

    What the smeg is a blood for he blood God card? An excuse to charge more as khorne can’t have a psychic deck ?

    • George

      Every codex that is being released has some sort of deck associated with it, all containing tactical objectives and a larger deck of cards associated with the army. Dark Eldar got Combat Drugs on cards, Necrons got C’tan powers on cards, all others got their psychic powers on their cards, none of which you need as all the rules are printed in their codex. These cards are simply for those who want a tiny bit more convenience in their lives. I don’t see where this idea of price gouging comes from.

      • ReveredChaplainDrake

        Or why can’t some armies just… *not* have these stupid randomization rules? Khorne is extremely martial and distrusts magic. Probably because, if I could wager a guess, magic is random while an axe to the face is not. *Not* having a random stupid table would be just as characterful.

        I wonder what this means for other armies without psychic powers. Introducing 8th ed Tau, complete with Schizophrenic Ethereal Cards!

        • Orodruin

          “magic is random while an axe to the face is not”

          Quote du jour. 🙂

          • durkheim

            unless “1” to wound

          • Orodruin

            Unless… shut up!

        • durendin

          I often wonder if all the random rolling was added so little timmys who get crushed can blame bad rolls rather than being poor players thus not have hurt feelings, the poor wee lambs?

          That said, If 40K has any more random rolling in it eventually dice will be replaced with a coin and just toss to see who won, saving yourself two hours of randomness!

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            that was the FAQ for Dreadfleet!

        • Majere613

          Although I’d expect these cards to be connected to some random element, since it’s Chaos which is pretty much the definition of ‘random’, it doesn’t follow that they always will be. For Guard, for example, they would be the Orders cards, so for Tau they would probably be reference cards for Ethereal invocations.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Chaos is the opposite of Order, it isn’t the same as random. If it were random there wouldn’t be set Chaos Gods with definable types of daemonic followers.

          • Majere613

            It most definitely is. ‘Order’ means that everything is arranged in a defined and structured way. ‘Chaos’ means there is no order or structure. What we perceive as the ‘Chaos Powers’ is an attempt by minds attuned to the structures of reality to interpret the stuff of pure Chaos. The Powers themselves are reflections of mortal thought and desire- without those, they wouldn’t exist. If you’re going to try to argue that randomness isn’t the opposite of order, you’re pretty much flying in the face of mathematics, linguistics, science and theology which is a pretty tall order.

        • deris87

          Cause there’s no reason there should be anything… Chaotic… about Khorne worshippers, right?

    • silentRaven

      What George said. If you want, you can make your own cards. I went to a comic shop and bought a bunch of dime priced MTG cards (mostly lands) and wrote over them my tactical objectives.

  • vonevilstein

    This. Is. Awesome. I now have a new birthday date.

  • houseofpaine

    And…no new models. BTW, this: “Couple this with the release list for Sisters of Battle, and 2015 is looking to be a hot year for the 40k scene.” Did I read the earlier article incorrectly, or did it state that SoB were most likely 2016?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      SoB are a “meh, whenever.” kind of release.

      • houseofpaine

        I believe you’re right. My guess is that the market demand for them is smaller than we think (although I have nothing to back this up other than if they were a hot seller, we would’ve seen them by now). Mostly, I just want them to get released just so people can move past “where are the SoB?” and move on to complaining about how much they suck once they do get released! 😉

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          I thin kit has more to do with how much of a gamble it will be for GW to release them.

          They have to stick the landing or else the entire endeavor falls apart like a house of cards. Not just that but if the Sisters tank hard enough, it could ruin GW’s entire fiscal year.

          With Fantasy being completely retooled this year, I think it will probably be autumn before we see a huge 40k release.

  • Wow, my skepticism was unwarranted. I hope my FLGS gets enough of those cards, I’m gonna need em

  • ClockworkZion

    Question time: if this is dropping next week (meaning pre-orders start this week), where is the teaser trailer for this? It’s Monday, and GW’s blog is updated so it should be there, but it’s not.

    My money is if this is a thing it’s going to be formations and/or datasheets and that’s it.

  • Shiwan8

    You have got to be kidding…

    • Orodruin

      We’re gluttons for punishment.

      • Shiwan8

        Yes, naturally, we would not play the game if we werent, but what is the point? It’s just a bunch of formations that will not solve the problem that is that berzerkers cost 2 times their reasonable cost.

        • Kevin Buesse

          If say the formations add fleet or the extra rolls that the Kharn dataslate has it might improve things.

          Most often if they get there they are too shot up but extra attacks at least mitigate the losses. That said I’m not expecting too much from GW as their inspiration seems lacking of late.

          Still they did seem to learn what to do to fix CC units with the Necrons. That said crone don’t have the baggage of expectations Marines of all stripes carry.

          • Shiwan8

            The butcher horde was a joke. It would have been with no mandatory units. There is no melee in this edition.

    • Full Meta Jacket

      a cruel joke, is it not?

    • JP

      You could always convert a Chaos Storm Eagle and catapult 20 berserkers right up their nostrils. Worked for me a few times. AV12 Flyer that is an Assault Vehicle is just cruel.

      • Kevin Buesse

        You misspelled amazing. Might need a new spell checker.

      • Shiwan8

        200+ points crashlanding 450 ish points just so that I can get an average of 3 marines to assault and die on overwatch? How is that a good tactic?

        • JP

          What the hell are you assaulting?

    • Thomas Gardiner

      You’re talking to someone who plays Haemonculus Covens and regularly plays against Harlequins. These guys will fit into my meta quite nicely!

      • Shiwan8

        Your meta, sure, but generally they are useless.

      • Chris. K Cook

        Shush you, we are dealing with a denizen of Planet Bowling Ball.

  • silentRaven

    I feel this, balls to bone, is going to be a disappointment, no matter what.

    At the end of the day, the points, and stats will be based off the current CSM codex, which has more than a few flaws, and generational copying errors.

    Possessed, Warp Talons, Mutilators and Defilers are all still probably going to be crap.

    I’d LOVE for them to make Slaughterfiend Defiler rules (Defiler with Khorne Beserker statline) and Beserker (WS5, Fearless, Rage, Furious Charge, Counter attack) Everything-helbrutes, Lords, Dark Apostles, Raptors, Terminators-CHOSEN.

    But we won’t have that. It will be a copy-paste repack of the Butcherhorde with a few other Daemony things, our possessed will have a different chart-but still no grenades, still no built in Rending or shred or Beast Movement without a random roll per turn-and you’ll probably HAVE to get Daemon stuff for the best rules.

    I hope I’m wrong. But I’m not.

    • E65

      Well, I hope there is at least a stat line for WE Termis to use those FW conversion sets.

      • amaximus167

        Yep, those kind of details will really be a make or break kind of deal for me with this. If they do this right, I will be in. All the way. If they just lazily slouch a few stat lines into one book I am out.

    • Orodruin

      Probably not wrong, but there is a very slim chance (even that is too generous) that this book/the other 3 alleged pantheon books are the vehicles to deliver updated rules for all the relevant units.

      Snowball’s chance in hell… but that means there’s a chance! 😛

  • Sputnikwriter

    Oh fudge me, not more datacards…

    • Chris. K Cook

      Datacards are awesome. Don’t like ’em? don’t buy ’em.

  • amaximus167

    This would have been the perfect time to drop some retooled Berserker sprues…

    • DoctorBored

      It would have, but they didn’t, so we’re boned.

      • amaximus167

        Good think I stocked up on that FW resin conversion kit.

  • angelblade

    darn i have been toying with the idea of doing chaos for months but stopped from dropping mounds of pounds because every time i read the current chaos codex i compare it to the 3rd ed version then immediately chuck it back in the closet :/

  • Master Avoghai

    What’s next?

    Obviously Nurgle…

    As a former GW’s staff always says : “Kids are loving the big warriors and the funny dirty warriors”…

    Identification eh?

    At least that’s what GW thinks… They just forgot that IF berserks sales were far superior to tzeentch ones it’s because they were the only one available…

  • lucidum

    …..so we really needed a codex for…y’know…just running CSM-Daemon allies?

    • Chris Maile

      Jesus this comments section is depressing. You’d of thought GW just took a dump in your hand and not just gave CSM some love. what are you gonna moan about once they’ve updated your codex and gave you legion rules?

      Apologies lucidum it wasn’t directedy at you I pressed the wrong reply

      • Shiwan8

        They did, because they make a codex for melee only army for a game that has no melee. You see berzerkers moving 6″ and catching waveserpents? I do not.

        • Chris Maile

          And why should you care about that? If your a khorne fan you play it and enjoy it. If your not a khorne fan or player you should enjoy seeing on the table top, why is anyone losing anything. It’s a gain, subjective how much of one but still a gain nonetheless

          • amaximus167

            As long as the Dex brings something new to the stat lines/rules, I am down. Even if it is not exactly what I want/demand/deserve!!! 😉

          • Shiwan8

            This is exactly why they do not improve their product. People buy what ever as long as it’s new. Thus, as long as they kerp releasing things they thrive.

          • amaximus167

            I think I should have been more clear. As long as the Dex brings something new, and good that allows me to play an assault style army, I am down. Even if I do not get my every wishlist.

            Since the last CSM Dex was dropped I have only bought 2 FW character models, 1 Cairn Wraith, about $30 worth of bits and 1 White Dwarf. I do not think I am your target audience for that rant.

          • Shiwan8

            So, I can pretty much guarantee that you will not buy that one either.

          • amaximus167

            Unfortunately, you’re likely correct. But I am trying for a little bit of hope in my otherwise dismal view of the hobby. I doubt that I can get any more disappointed.

          • Shiwan8

            Objectively speaking you are probably right, sadly. I’m just amazed that GW is so oblivious to their own game meta that they try to get us hooked on something that will have less than a snowballs chance in hell in the current edition. No doubt they will get more sales than what they invested, but not anything close to what they would get if the game did not favor shooting so much.

          • amaximus167

            Yep. Agreed.

          • Shiwan8

            I like reasonable challenge. Winning with these will be impossible so either I will automatically get beaten or automatically win. How is that fun?

        • Djbz

          Don’t chase wave serpents with berserkers. Chase them with flesh-hounds/bloodcrushers

          • Shiwan8

            The lack the longevity to reach their targets and the means to harm them.

          • Djbz

            Aren’t they both at least str 5 on the charge?
            3 to hi in combat, 5 to glance. (Rear armour in melee)
            Wrecking non-walkers in melee is easy.
            Even non-melee units that are str4 can do it easy

          • Shiwan8

            Unless you can produce at least 15 hits, your margin for error is too big. One must remember that the unit is dead and gone after they kill the tank, if they kill the tank.

            And it is still pretty unlikely that they reach the target before they die.

          • Orodruin

            Toughness 4 FTL.

          • Shiwan8

            Only t4. Look at wraiths. That is a unit that has enough potential to do what we hope that something not half as tough can do.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            no, deep strike some Nurgle Oblits behind the waveserpents.

            Oh, were we talking about Khorne, there’s no answer for them as fleshhounds won’t be able to reliably catch and hurt waveserpents..

          • Djbz

            3 Str5 attacks each on the charge will easily wreck a wave serpent with a small unit.
            And a move+charge of 14-24 inches is plenty fast enough to catch a wave serpent.
            As for the durability issue- thats why you give them other things to worry about.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I suspect the difference in pour experience may be down to points levels. On a relatively empty table, at 1000 points, I am yet to catch a wave serpent with spawn or hounds. Its possible at 1500 and likely at 1850+.

          • Shiwan8

            Oh, believe me, it is very unlikely if the opponent does not want you to catch the serpent.

          • Chris. K Cook

            Oblits can have the Mark of Khorne…

      • lucidum

        Hey no worries lol. I just think it’s a weird choice, but if there are new models or if certain units get better, I’ll enjoy it. Hopefully (maybe) the Bloodthirster will get some rules that make it as badass as the new model.

  • Deathmage

    Give us some decent rules for chaos undivided and then GW can have ALL of my money! But seriously, GW needs to stop making marks a upgrade and more a side-grade. This then means that chaos undivided aren’t just complaining about the negatives of chaos with none of the god love

  • Well since the only reason I have Khorne Demons is for my chaos space marines…

    …. Im ok with this!

    • Shiwan8

      Even when it is crap?

      • hate the player not the game, ill play it cause I like it, not cause you or anyone else thinks its “crap”

        • Shiwan8

          You are free to do so, obviously. Just wondering whether or not you tend to intentionally lose or just get beaten because you use this thing they are supposedly releasing.

          Not that it’s any of my business. In our group we just like close games and this thing will not provide any.

          • ha jokes on you, i lose with ANY army I play

            … seriously tho, stop being a debbie downere

          • Shiwan8

            Buh, buh, buh ih whanna! 😉

  • LordKrungharr

    If the formation is represented by that box set its not got much in the daemons department. But think they’ll have more options? I gotta think so. Here’s to hoping they get something to assault from deepstriking!

    • Deathwing

      They tried that a couple of times with the whole letting units assault from deepstrike. I believe we collectivly called players that took those armies DOUCH BAGS
      Could you avoid them in a regular gaming store? Yep
      Could you avoid them in a tourny? Nope
      Could you give them a zero on sportsmanship (and hygene) score? Hell yes and all 20 of us did so at 1 BoLS con a few years back.

      • amaximus167

        I think that in an assault based army this is one of the few things that might help them work. Or, let them assault out of drop pods, rhinos…

        Since they are assault units I think that they should be allowed to assault out of what ever transport they are in.

        I am not really sure what the middle ground is. They either get shot to hell on their way in or they are cheesy death units.

        • Shiwan8

          We played almost a year so that anyone that could be reasonably assumed to know what kind of situation they arrived from reserves could assault on arrival. This practically meant that anyone not teleporting (etc.) in could do it as long as they did not disembark from a vehicle. It worked just fine because no-one abused it.

          People forget that this game, like any game like it, is what the gamers make it to be. If your particular gaming group does not act in the spirit of the game then talk about it. If it does not change anything then you need a better gaming group.

          What we do not need to care about, at all, is the tournament scene. It’s purely “pay to win”-scene where the ones with most surplus cash compete with each other. They will adjust their armies like before.

          • amaximus167

            Unfortunately, I am no longer in the area with my group. Not really in a place to meet new gamers at them moment.

          • Chris. K Cook

            “What we do not need to care about, at all, is the tournament scene. It’s purely “pay to win”-scene where the ones with most surplus cash compete with each other. They will adjust their armies like before.”

            This is literally the first thing you have ever said that a) I agree with and b) is something reasonable and grown up.

          • Shiwan8

            You should try to learn that opinions are not immature or unreasonable simply because you do not agree with them.

      • Shiwan8

        So, you think it’s op that 22p marine can actually reach combat? I’ll assume that you play tau.

        • Deathwing

          dark angels grey knights and space wolves actually

          • Shiwan8

            You do realize that all of those have what CSM does not, ei. delivery method for melee infantry?

      • Orodruin

        Sounds like you guys were the dbags, honestly.

  • I smell a supplement book. Black Legion repeat anyone?

    • Chris. K Cook

      You mean something fun and OPTIONAL and full of awesome fluff?

  • Tesq

    Still i don have much hope on this book, the khorne units are something pretty “elite” in your army, if they want to make you play a fully khorne army such army will likely fail unless they put in the book so much op thing that csm will play only khorne OR special detachment OR if these book update mark of khorne general rule so it can stack with crimson slaughter rule, that would definetly be usefull…..on my Juggy hq at least…..

  • Boondox

    Of course, the book and everything associated with it will be sold out in a matter of hours…

    • Shiwan8

      Not likely. Would you buy models that will never do anything before they die?

      • Chris. K Cook

        Stop playing on planet bowling ball.

        • Shiwan8

          I never did. My opponents just are not braindead.

  • Another Biased Opinion

    The main change I wanted was for the Cult Marines to be troop choices if the Lord / Sorc had the appropriate mark in ANY detachment (not just the primary) as I play Word Bearers and would like to take allied detachments of Cult Marines, with this at least I can probably do Khorn and hopefully they will release for the other powers soon™

    • Shiwan8

      How would this make them a match against Tau or Eldar?

      • Chris. K Cook

        Not everyone a) is a power gamer or b) thinks codex creep is a good idea.

        • Shiwan8

          This matters not, since most are and the creep is there regardless of our preference.

  • Christian Filip

    Building a disciples of blood army, this makes me happy actually.