Blood Oath: Exclusive 40K Campaign Book Unveiled

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Khorne and the Imperium are throwing down in this brand new 40K Campaign Book up for sale this weekend in Nottingham.

via Atia on BolterandChainsword 5-17-2015

Warhammer World Exclusive Campaign Supplement:

Blood Oath

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(Ultramarines, Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, Titans vs Khorne, Chaos Titans, Chaos Knights)

Dataslates/Formations:

  • Ultramarines 1st company:
  • The Spear of Sicarius:
  • Grey Knights Emperors Hand Strike Force:
  • Anvil of the Emperor – Knights and Titans
  • The Bloodied Horde (Khorne Daemons)
  • The Fist of Khorne (Berzerkers)
  • The Goreguard (Anggrath and Bloodthirsters)
  • Hellforged Hunting Pack (Daemon Engines)
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More Blood Oath Info Here

(more rules, go look)

 

~So what’s your take about event-only campaign books with new formations being released by GW?

  • crevab

    Eh, I’ll get the torrent soon enough

    • daboarder

      and good on you for that.

      But that still doesn’t excuse GW actions, In fact many of the posts I’ve seen using that as an excuse are also the kind to belligerently attacks others who suggest that re-casting wouldn’t be a thing if GW was over priced

      • crevab

        whu..recasting is a thing because GW’s prices AREN’T too much? How do they come up with this claptrap?

        • daboarder

          sorry I meant that if you suggest that the proliferation of recasting is GWs fault, or that re-casting is the only viable way for you to maintain the arms race so to speak, certain posters will throw poop, spit b*tch and Moan.

          Of course many of those posters are no justifying the WW exclusive book by telling you to pirate it, Apologist logic

          • georgelabour

            So you’re telling people to steal if they can’t get the toys they want?

            The unnecessary, luxuries that they in no way need to exist nor are entitled to by any stretch of the concept of human rights?

            And you’re wondering why some people might come along and say ‘Hey, you’re an adult and need to have some self control sodon’t be a selfish twit’?

            And to cap it all off you then accuse those people (who are against petty theft) of being in the wrong….because…they don’t approve of doing things that are wrong…

          • daboarder

            Man you didnt actually read what i wrote. Go try again

          • georgelabour

            Meant to reply to another post now lost amidst all the hub bub. My apologies.

          • daboarder

            all good

        • Crablezworth

          indoctrination

          • Galaxy S40,000

            all hail ward!

      • BrianDavion

        there’s one thing about selling something for more money then you wanna pay. you may not like the cost but it’s avaliable. in a case like this well… if GW doesn’t want our money then sucks to be them. the insistance on limited edition things is honestly GWs most baffling busniess decision

        • RexScarlet

          what if GW is just making a “minimum” run in paper, and will then re-release said item in e-version later (costs them little) OR re-release said limited item (ex; space hulk)

      • Galaxy S40,000

        A comment that says “I will not pay for this, but instead steal it” does indeed excuse their incompetence.

        • Sarcozy12345

          Torrenting is to theft as abortion is to murder.

          • Galaxy S40,000

            lol that is literally the worst analogy i’ve heard in weeks. i’m going to use this as a joke, thank you!

    • georgelabour

      Ah yes petty theft. A perfectly adult response to not getting that candy bar back when he was five years old.

      • An_Enemy

        Except in this case he DID get the candy bar when he was a kid. It was delicious and lovingly crafted.

        Now, as an adult, the candy bar is $100 and hollow.

        • daboarder

          and if he mentions the old candy bar or the fact that the new one is hollow, he gets lynched

          • Crablezworth

            also amazing

        • Crablezworth

          amazing

      • BrianDavion

        well if GW’s not willing to sell it to other people…
        I mean this is sort of a giant middle finger to ultramarine and deamon players.

        • georgelabour

          Scratch building and conversions are both perfectly legitimate, and mature, means of acquiring the models you want without all the bother of having to think like a spoiled and irresponsible child.

          • Theik

            So you are suggesting somebody scratch builds a campaign book? That seems sketchy. 😉

          • Crablezworth

            I got crayons

          • georgelabour

            A fair point as I meant to post my reply to yet another ‘chinese recasterslol’ kiddies and put it here by accident. But that being said…

            Did wargamers not invent scenarios, novelty and concepts for fun games before games workshop introduced expansion books to the line of products they produce?

            Obviously not tournament official. But then if you’re just buying books in order to roflstomp people and win loots I think you’re perhaps missing the point behind them.

          • RexScarlet

            oh look another LuisF as their only follower posting nasty ad hominem, so odd…

          • templar46_2

            did i just get bingo again!? sweet!

            dude, YOU only have one follower. Calm down there blinky, maybe it’s time to give the internet a rest for today.

          • Syratogo

            Lol followers on disquis is suddenly proof of self worth. GG mate. Enough internet for you…

          • BeneathALeadMountain

            Rex what do you mean? I think he was/is the only person following me and I haven’t the foggiest what club/cult I seem to have involuntarily joined. Enlighten me please.

        • RexScarlet

          Agree, limited books and figures, sure, but not rules.
          .
          Target, Walmart, Toys r Us all have exclusives…

        • Necky

          just screen save the formations, and laugh at GW not releasing this to stores.

      • Sarcozy12345

        Yup I remember when I couldn’t buy candy at the store so I copied the recipe and made them at home in my kitchen, I felt so bad for stealing that I sold ll my cooking appliances.

        • RexScarlet

          lol, I once bought a jello mold, made myself a ton of jello, then sold the mold…

        • georgelabour

          Way to miss the point. Perhaps next you’d also like to point out how a spealling mistake makes the entire argument invalid?

          • Galaxy S40,000

            He took your argument to its logical conclusion, how dare he?!

      • Galaxy S40,000

        Its not wrong when their profit margin is over 90%. They follow a highly corporate structure and deserve to be f|_|cked as hard as possible.

        • Shiwan8

          I think the point is that they need to learn their worth. This item for example should only sell one copy, ever.

          • Galaxy S40,000

            100% agreed. personally i’m going to print out the page for the berzerker drop pod of death and attach it in the codex where it should have been in the first f^$king place

        • georgelabour

          You’ll excuse me if I don’t take your word as concrete legal canon.

          Especially as ‘F those guys because I said so’ is likely not considered legal justification for acting like a spoiled child.

          And since you’re likely not Amish or living in some corporation free ‘utopia’ your obvious hypocrisy makes your attempt at an counter-argument even less compelling.

          • Shiwan8

            I wonder what you are trying to accomplish with those insults. The company rips of it’s customers. It’s customers vote with their money. There is nothing wrong with that.

          • georgelabour

            They are not customers they are thieves. Albeit petty ones.

            and they are not voting with their dollar. That would mean they were purchasing product from a legitimate business rival who legally made and or offered a preferable product.

            For example buying Products for Infinity or Heavy Gear is voting with one’s dollar. Walking into a bookstore and using a camera to copy the text in a book is not

          • Juravial

            *Goes into my local GW* Oh hey, do you have this book in stock? No?

            Ok, can you please order it through your online system in the store that you bug me to use every time you go in? No?

            Ok, *heads over to FLGS* Hey, can you order me this book maybe? What’s this, GW doesn’t allow you to carry it? …Well, ok.

            *goes online with ipad* What, it’s not here either?

            Ok, well, exhausted all legal options for acquiring this book aside from buying a $1400 plane ticket, and I just can’t do that. So, torrent it is! Do I need the book? No, of course not! Would I very much like to see it? Yes, and I will. Are they losing out? Yep, they definitely are. Too bad for them, next time produce it in such a way that I can buy it.

          • georgelabour

            No you have not exhausted all the legal options.

            You just aren’t willing to carry through with any of them and instead choose to do the wrong thing merely to feed your greed for trinkets, and perhaps some narcissistic compulsions best left to a psychiatrist to explain.

            At least be honest enough to admit you choose to do the wrong things for those reasons and perhaps some people might give you less guff about your dishonest antics.

          • Juravial

            Well, I sure as hell am not going to buy a plane ticket to buy a book, but I will buy it legit if it comes to the states or mail order or itunes even if I have a torrented copy (especially so for a hardback copy or ibooks copy).

            I do happen to play a lot of apoc, so the formations will probably see play. I wouldn’t say I was narcissistic though, just excited about a new apoc warzone and dissappointed that I can’t get one without jumping through ludicrous hoops. I bought warzone Damnos, Valedor, Damocles, and Pandorax as soon as they came out and was very happy with them. I will have this one as soon as I can as well.

            I guess my original point is that I would be the target revenue demographic lost by GW when they decide to do something like this. I could honestly care less what you think of me as a person, and am not justifying my actions in any way.

            If there were enough people talking like this, then maybe some marketing exec sees a few posts and plugs the revenue drain (even if it is digitally). Squeaky wheel gets the kick and all that.

          • georgelabour

            Then you should wait and see instead of indulging in the immature actions of those who simply can not contain their need for instant self gratification.

            Wait for a legally purchased copy to end up on EBay at a fair price, or use social media to find a ‘friend’ overseas who can help you acquire it for a more fair price. Or, just wait and be zen about the matter.

            That is how I am handling my desire to acquire a copy of the 2nd edition Taros books with the updated Elysian, and battlesuit rules. I don’t want to pay the shipping costs for just one book so I am budgeting until I can get a bundle or find others I trust to put together an order to acquire it sans the cost.

          • Juravial

            If GW didn’t want to feed on my need for instant gratification then they shouldn’t tease me with their app (on my ipad) for the book.

            The problem isn’t a moral one, it’s one of logistics. Guess next time they’ll use their worldwide, already-established method of internationally selling and shipping book to customer to get my money (instead of not doing that). If it were a shipping cost issue, I would just pay it (~$10-15 is nothing huge).

            I also scan the rules for my existing (purchased) books into images and bundle them into collections on my ipad for easy reference during games, and print screenshots of (purchased) ibooks for reference when I am playing at home and want a paper copy and feel neither remorse nor pity for the bread I’m stealing out of the mouths of GW.

            I suppose I’ll just have to be a narcissistic, immature, self-gratifying, compulsive psychiatrist-needing petty thief (sorry if I missed any of the names you called me) instead of the morally superior, zen-wielding patient yet savvy consumer who has friends overseas.

            I don’t have any friends overseas, but I do act with a modicum of etiquette with regards to posting online when presented with an argument slightly out of sync with my own moral values. You’ll get there after awhile, don’t worry.

          • georgelabour

            I’m sorry if your feelings are hurt but they are the appropriate words and labels to describe the events, intentions, and mindsets all under discussion.

            If you do not like having these labels applied to your actions and or person then you should refrain from purposely indulging in acts you do not need to perform.

          • Juravial

            Didn’t realize you were a troll, sorry. I should have read a few more of your reply posts to other people. Will stop feeding you now. See you…well, never!

          • Galaxy S40,000

            good work on calling multiple people in this comment thread “spoiled children”, really increases the credibility of your argument

            if you’ll excuse me, i’m going to go roll dice and play with plastic models

          • georgelabour

            Can you think of a politer term for someone’s whose mindset is

            “I want this trinket but can’t get it normally so I’ll just take it by the wrong means and act really upset if someone says I can’t have it”

            Because child like is really the kindest description I have for such an immature thought process.

    • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

      Yeah, me too. The hell with those GW lovers who like to be treated like garbage. In fact, the hell with everything. I’ll get my counterfeit Chaos Knight once is released along the Lord of skulls alternate kit

      • Spacefrisian

        And to consider you can make a Chaos Knight from 1 Defiler kit if you are up for the challenge (i can use mine as such, its the same hight and also sports a battle cannon). And that is half the price of an original Imperial knight. (even less when i bought it mind you).

        • Shiwan8

          Well now, I did not even remember this is possible and I contemplated it once before they released the knights first time.

  • Orodruin

    There is already a post about this…

  • amaximus167

    I say to hell with this limited edition crap.

    • Samuel Sanchez

      How is this limited edition?
      It’s sold in a store and doesn’t have a limited quantity.
      In fact I don’t think warhammer world exclusive means it won’t be sold via the warhammer world webstore

      • daboarder

        Nope not online its limited by location exclusive.

        Ultimate expression of gw market stupidity

        • Samuel Sanchez

          Location does not mean limited edition and I seriously doubt it will not be sold in the webstore as any British person can just buy a bunch and sell them on eBay all day long. It’s not limited quantity.

          • daboarder

            You really think this is a good business decision?

            You should apply for the GW board

          • Nameless

            not that I think it is good business sense, but I can understand the logic. Games Workshop want to increase footfall in the newly refurbished warhammer world. they are hoping people will go to buy this book, or a command tank and then because they are already there spend more money.

            in theory it is a sensible idea, in practice many people won’t go to warhammer world because it is impractical to do so. the solution isn’t to sell the book online (that won’t increase footfall) but to nominate other Games Workshop stores to also sell the product.

          • Syratogo

            I agree – they want people to visit their pretty new store (though their choice of location, as ever, sucks for being middle of nowhere in the north)…

            This and they aren’t obliged to provide everyone with exclusive rules, they don’t add anything to the game-play experience really… let them have a souvenir for the visiting experience. No-one is shouting at bugman’s shop or bar for not doing takeaway and delivering their goods…

          • amaximus167

            This is how awesome it is when a company makes Exclusives;

            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-World-Exclusive-Blood-Oath-Battle-for-Angelus-Prime-Supplement-/251963596246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aaa335dd6

            It is 13 quid at Warhammer World (if the sticker up top is accurate), OR 60+ on eBay. You know, it would seem that a company that hates resellers so much would not do exclusives.

          • BrianDavion

            yeah I COULD go on ebay and pay inflated prices for it. or GW could just sell it on their store and make customers happy.

          • amaximus167
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      • Erik Setzer

        Since you seem to be confused on what “limited” means, let me help:

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/limited

        So yeah, it is very much so a “limited edition.”

        • Samuel Sanchez

          Don’t blame yourself. Poor school systems are really the ones to blame for you not being able to read. But hey look on the bright side you know how to use the Internet and look up words in a dictionary. To bad you can’t read them and understand them…..
          “Limited edition: a special book, picture, medal, etc., for which only a small number of copies are produced and sold”
          No where does it say anything at warhammer world there is only going to be limited quantities or only a small number of copies are produced and sold. You are wrong and only continue to show everyone on the internet your incompetence.

          • An_Enemy

            Stop. Its only sold at one location. Therefore, limited. Unless you want to travel there or pay a huge eBay mark up.

            What are you even arguing here?

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Mark ups really haven’t been that bad.

          • An_Enemy

            That’s because a lot of people don’t know about it yet. Unless my eyes deceive me, that price tag is 72GBP which is about $114. That’s already pretty crazy considering the “quality” of GW’s books. The one I’m seeing on eBay is at $81 with six days left. That’s actually pretty high for an auction with that much time left. As a fairly accomplished eBay seller I can tell you most people lurk and then snipe rather than bid right away. Its on a good track to hit at least $150.

          • Rich_B

            They do, that’s £12

          • An_Enemy

            Well, I said it was possible. The picture is blurry. Makes the eBay mark up even more insaneinsane if it is £12.

            I’ll reserve judgment until someone that’s actually bought it chimes in.

          • crevab

            I see an auction at $150 with 6 days left and a straight buy of $230. Both with $30 shipping

          • Syratogo

            Exclusivity =/= limited edition/release.

            Limited geographic availability is a different thing.

          • There event only items have ONLY ever been limited edition. There has only been 1 to date that I know of that was later released, and that was the Horus Heresy Novella Imperial Truth. And that was YEARS of separation.

          • Samuel Sanchez

            This is not an event only item. Which is limited by not only a set Time frame but also a specific event. It is at worst a location only item. However it is technically a warhammer world only exclusive item. What this means at worst is that you will see unlimited amount of these on eBay. Unlimited because there is no amount where these campaigns will ever sell out. Beyond the initial craziness of people buying them at absurd markups the books will drop to a reasonable price. However I don’t see warhammer world allowing that to happen and I fully expect for gw to sell them as warhammer exclusive online orders.

          • Because Crusade of Fire was made in unlimited amounts too.

          • BrianDavion

            and they lost sales to piracy as a result as many people whom would have happily purchased the book likely already had a pirated copy.

          • Erik Setzer

            Yes, I do blame the schools for you being a blithering fool whereas I was taught to a higher standard. I suppose I shouldn’t expect you to understand basic concepts.

            If it’s only sold in one location, it is limited in number. You can’t argue around that. It’s sad that you’re even trying. Rather than admit to being wrong, you’d prefer to double down on making yourself appear incapable of figuring out the English language? The Internet is wonderful for bringing out the people who would rather look even more like fools than admit they are wrong.

            It’s sold in one location, in numbers only high enough to sell at that location, therefore it is a limited edition.

            Seriously, stop now, for your own sake.

          • Samuel Sanchez

            It’s cute I hurt your feelings. When you found out you couldn’t even read. It’s okay you obviously don’t understand what limited in numbers mean either since it has no limit in numbers. Did you mean limited locations? Why yes you did! I am glad I can help you realize your stupidity; you honestly don’t need to share that with everyone else. We all can tell that quite easily. The fact is even if this book is only sold at warhammer world it is never going to be limited quantities. You may have to resort to buying it off eBay however there eventually isn’t going to be much of a mark up beyond the initial dumb people who will impulse buy this campaign because supply of these campaigns is never limited. Again learn what the heck you are talking about. You continue to fill the Internet with your nonsense and stupidity it’s unnneeded and quite frankly disturbing how imbecilic you are. I patiently wait for your next window licking response.

          • vonDietdrich

            ‘Limited’ refers, in this case, to the limited quantities and supply which are a direct result of the fact it’s only being sold at one location on Earth, Warhammer World. In much the same way that event-only models are limited to being purchased at the location of events, and the new vehicles are limited to being purchased only at Warhammer World. Is it ‘limited’ in the sense that it’s a numbered run with no more printings? No.

            But see, the way words work, they have multiple relevant definitions.

            Your belligerent stupidity is embarrassing, dude. Pull yourself together.

          • daboarder

            awesome

          • Samuel Sanchez

            Belligerent stupidity is the fact you are to stupid to realize that none of the vehicles are limited to warhammer world and is stated in the press release of the command and Titan to only be an early release and it will be sold in the webstore. No you obviously didn’t.
            Carry on embarrassing yourself it’s funny seeing you complain needlessly.

          • vonDietdrich

            Oh no, an insult aimed at my character and fallibility! I am undone!

          • Samuel Sanchez

            At least you admit you were wrong unfortunately you failed to realize the only insults I stated were the exact words you tried to use upon me but ended up fitting you so perfectly.

          • vonDietdrich

            okay so you’re stupid AND don’t understand sarcasm. That’s a winning combination there, champ.

          • Samuel Sanchez

            I got your poor attempt at sarcasm. I wouldn’t want you to think to highly of yourself. I just enjoyed mocking your incompetence. Is there any other special skills you want to share with the rest of the class?

          • Kyraxis

            Sick trolling bro!

          • Zlatan

            “too highly”, not “to highly”.

          • vonDietdrich

            “Are there”, not “is there”, too, his lack of commas, his inappropriate use of tense on multiple occasions, and his general tone lead me to conclude he’s like 12.

          • amaximus167

            And he is attempting to school people none the less!

          • Zlatan

            I don’t think you “state” an insult as such. Also, I’m not really sure you can “use words on someone”. Again, if you’re having trouble with collocations we can help you with that on our literacy courses.

          • RexScarlet

            oh look another poster with LuisF as their only follower posting snarky remarks at someone,

          • Zlatan

            It’s “too stupid”, not “to stupid” in this case bro. I run literacy refresher courses; let me know if you want to sign up for one.

          • amaximus167

            I thought this was about a book, not a tanks and titans?

          • Erik Setzer

            Cool. So you do want to remind everyone you don’t know what the phrase means. You’re seriously arguing that some produced for one location, which, by necessity, means limited quantities, isn’t a limited quantity. And if “limited numbers” makes something a “limited edition,” and that’s the key definition, then every White Dwarf magazine fits that definition.

            This is a product that is limited in how you can get it, and how many will be made. It is just as “limited edition” as the Void Shield Generator, the Plasma Obliterator, etc.

            I can’t fathom why anyone would argue otherwise. You’re so devout in defending GW against any sullying of their name that you are willing to sound clueless? I guess congrats for being such a huge fan (or employee), but seriously, this is just getting silly.

          • Which is a shame – I wanted a Plasma Obliterator to Chaos up. 🙁

          • crevab

            The Chinese have heard your prayers and sent forth the great trek over google and through forums to track down your desires 😉

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            its funny, but my local GW store went to great lengths to try to get one for me, and when a neighbouring store received a delivery of one late the manager arranged for it to be reserved for me. Its weird how the service at GW on a low level is so fantastic, and yet the management decisions are so stupid.

          • Shiwan8

            Green stuff?

          • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

            Just leave it. He hides himself behind a wall of illusion and will never glimpse the truth of his childish attitude. If he continues like this, life will retribute him and we won’t have to even bother.

          • Kyraxis

            Are you trying to justify your English major by looking like a fool both off and on the internet?

          • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

            Dude, just stop. Fortunately, you are milles away so you can hide your stubborness and arrogance behind the screen, otherwise we could have shut up your mouth only with our presence.

          • Samuel Sanchez

            Internet tough guy sorry no you really couldn’t but keep believing you are threatening anyone with your presence.

          • Shiwan8

            You remind me of a guy in a bar last evening. You know, the type who likes to talk big but could not handle anything real without his mom.

            I understand your need to compensate this through bullying people, but unless your act is very different in face to face situation this kind of thing will only get your eye liner seem pretty redundant.

            Just saying. I’m not interested in fighting.

          • Samuel Sanchez

            Actually I’m not the type of person to physically threaten anyone in real life outside of work and you haven’t seen me do it here either. The only people who do that crap have a nepolionic complex. However I am usually the first person to jump in to break up fights.

          • crevab

            Ha! funneh

          • Shiwan8

            I do not know you so I could not know what you do outside the net, but here you seem to start the fights. This “thread” would be all the evidence needed for sthat statement.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            you are really bringing the mood down here with this silly spat. Chill out man, you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

          • Crablezworth

            don’t bring logic into this erik

          • Zlatan

            Do you mean “Too bad”, not “to bad”?
            If you’re worried about the quality of your education maybe I can point you in the direction of a literacy refresher course.

          • amaximus167

            HA!

          • RexScarlet

            maybe the word exclusive instead of limited is called for here?

      • amaximus167

        I assumed that it was an event exclusive. Guess I was wrong about that. I still say ‘to hell with’ exclusive though.

    • Crablezworth

      here here

  • Shawn

    Okay, I was a bit pissed to find that the drop pod assault that I wanted is only for smurfs. The Iron Hands and other Codex Chapters better have decent formations.

    • Shiwan8

      You wanted a win button and were a bit pissed because you did not get one? Come on. Why?

      • Shawn

        I don’t want a win button so much, but a button that allows a chance to win. I don’t remember the days of Drop Pod Assault, because I didn’t play then. And right now, I feel that space marines lack a lot to have that chance. I felt this would be a good way to even things up a bit with all the shooting armies, but mainly pissed that it went to smurfs instead being available to all codex marines.
        I don’t even think drop pod assault should be automatic. Make it a leadership check or something and then allow the enemy unit full BS on overwatch from deep striking assault because they have a longer time to get ready. I mean, seeing a drop pod drop out of the sky, land near you and cough out marines should be plenty of time to take careful aim while the onrushing marines assault.

  • JP

    The Fist of Khorne is every assault player’s greatest dream come to life.

    • Shiwan8

      Every assault player wanted a crappy formation? I think not.

      • JP

        Do explain how 20 Zerkers smashing into an enemy unit the same turn their pod smashes a target to pulp from deepstrike is a BAD thing. And how an entire horde of regenerating daemon units that have to be killed over and over is a BAD thing. I’d really like to hear the logic behind that train of thought.

        • Shiwan8

          Oh, it’s not a bad thing. It’s just too expensive to be worth it. Maybe if it was half the cost. It is crap because of the cost.

          The horde of regenerating units are still only 4+ regenerating units. It’s not automatic. If it was then sure, if you do not count the fact that those give up kill points way too easily and it costs double it’s worth, too. On top of that it is so expensive that it’s next to impossible not to get wiped during the first round. You know, the thing where you lose the game if you have no surviving units at the end of the turn.

          • JP

            Hey dude, having a ton of points in a unit virtually guaranteed to get into combat first turn is worth the cost and risk.

            On average rolls, those 12 daemon units have to be killed 22-23 times to be eliminated. ANYTHING that has a chance to bring your units back is worth the cost.
            Ask Necrons, I know that truth intimately. Additionally, if you’ve positioned your units in a way that it so easy to wipe TWELVE of them off the table in one turn, you deserve to lose. Plus, 1160 pts base for an unupgraded horde where all units have a 50% chance to come back (even the ones that already regenerated mind you) is not too much at all.

          • Shiwan8

            I disagree. The unit is not even good at what it does. It hit’s same time with most things, meaning that any and all advantages it otherwise has are pretty moot.

            That daemon bomb would be ok if it arrived on turn one and would not scatter. As far as I can remember, it does not do that. Oh and then there is the fact that it has literally nothing that can harm vehicles reliably…meaning 2 dreadnoughts will annihilate it. And then there’s the kill point problem. The biggest irony of this is that they suck at what they do. No grenades, not even fleet, practically no armor, mediocre stats…. Letters are not good.

          • JP

            Berzerkers are great. One of the best CQC units around, so I don’t really see how they’re “not good”.
            ALL the daemon troops are like that. They’re cheap glass hammers.

            I think your bar is set too high. Exactly what are you comparing these to that you see them as horrible? Have you ever actually played with Daemons or Chaos Marines?

          • Shiwan8

            22p for a guy with an axe that is practically a chainsword. For comparison loyalists get 2+ armor and a power weapon for 3 points more. On top of that they lack the good transport option so no delivery method…unless you use this formation where the delivery method costs about 100 more than it is worth. It’s hardly the best or even among the best. Others that are better include hormagaunsts with poison, TWC, all GK, imperial knights (all of them, literally), regular khorne marines with a lord, most daemons for various reasons, Daemonkin cultist blobs with an apostle, all eldar melee units, necron melee star and there are others that do not come to mind right now. Point for point all of these beat the crap out of those berzerkers in value.

            All daemons are glass hammers, sure, but letters are slow and hardly cheap.

            My bar is set on “Eldar” because at the moment that is THE powerhouse. This berzerker blob is pretty much powerless against them. Yes, they can kill one bike squad, that’s 81 points, but that is about it. After that they are dead. Other armies use bubble wraps and the result is the same.

            You seem to think that the opponent is a literal log, a piece of wood that does nothing and let’s you do what ever you want. These are too easy to counter for them to be of any real use, especially in a tournament environment.

          • Galaxy S40,000

            > Daemonkin cultist blobs with an apostle

            lol a unit that has literally no other use than to stand around and die is better than the fist of khorne? ok

            > all eldar melee units

            which ones? i can’t think of any unit that could survive getting the p!ss stomped out of them besides a WK

            > You seem to think that the opponent is a literal log

            you seem to not play against AM a whole lot. also, 20 models spread out over that 6″ bubble around the kharbydis pod is massive, enough to assault 2 or 3 units and shut them down for multiple turns… i’ll take the overwatch kick to the balls for that anyday

          • JP

            Eldar is not even a valid comparison anymore. They’re so far out there they’re not even in the same galaxy anymore. The only response to them now is the nuclear one. Titans with turbolasers. That’s it. You want to play Eldar? I’m bringing the titans.

            Again, what experience are you basing this opinion on? Do you even play the game? Or do you just like to spew opinions with no experience to back them up?

            Exclude the Eldar outlier and these formations are great. They give you a superb chance to get into combat via Alpha strike and attrition. Daemons are like orks that way. The Bloodied Horde compensates for their low durability by giving a 50% chance for a unit to come back, repeatedly. They’re not logs. They’re targets. Targets to be surrounded and destroyed. Advance on them from multiple sides, box them in, and go for the deathblow. I’ve used that tactic plenty of times. I’ve made it work for Daemons, for marines in drop pods, and for Deathwing. Deepstriking is one the most powerful abilities in the game and it works devastatingly well in the hands of someone who’s good at it. That’s what these formations emphasize. The added regeneration on the daemons only makes it better. Nothing messes up a shooting army more than having a huge clusterf*ck of units landing all around them. That’s the trick. Shooting armies are only good when they don’t have something breathing down their necks. Take the advantage of range away from them and fold like a house of cards. Deepstriking does that. These formations do that. Extremely well.

          • Shiwan8

            Eldar are a legit army and as such valid.
            My arguments are based on experience, math and logic.

            Yesterday I played against a floffy ultramarine list that, with it’s bolters alone, would have negated the khornes fist formation in one turn. The problem with this is the cost per marine. If those were 15 points then yes, this would be useful. Now it’s 1/3 to 1/2 of the points one has for spending and if the D-hit does not do it, that thing can not take down anthing worth it’s cost. This makes it bad, since there are no redeeming qualities on it.

            The daemon horde is over thousand points and all it does is that the opponent will win any and all kill point matches automatically. If they did not scatter at all then maybe, maybe they would be worth it.

          • JP

            It would have taken 1260 points of tactical/devastator marines (90 models) rapid firing to belt out the ~180 bolt shots required to wipe out 20 zerkers in a single tuen. That’s nearly DOUBLE what the base cost of the Fist of Khorne is, 650 points. REALLY bad example.
            You’re only feeding your opponent kill points if you’re stupid enough to leave your daemons out in the open. That’s what cover is for. Deepstrike into it. Use it to screen your advance. Use the Skull Cannons to assist the charge. Use the Bloodcrushers to augment that charge. After some units die on the way in, use the Blood Tithe points to buff the remaining units so they hit even harder.
            PS – Banner of Blood – “Furthermore, if the first model from a friendly unit arriving by Deep Strike is placed within 6″ of at least one model with a Banner of Blood, the following rules apply: If the unit attempting to Deep Strike is entirely composed of models with the Daemon of Khorne special rule then it does not scatter.”
            Which means you scatter the first unit as normal and the rest home in on the first. I’ve checked the rules, nothing prevents this. It’s not like a teleport homer that already has to be there from a previous turn. That means the ENTIRE formation can avoid scatter using the Banner on the first unit. HA HAH!

          • Shiwan8

            Or just one iron clad and the zerkers are nullified. 130p vs. 477p zerkers (champion with axe of khorne). I think that’s a win for the opponent.

            Scatter dice hits 1/3 times, meaning that you miss most of the time. Then you congaline the rest which again means some units in the open. On top of that you roll for dangerous terrain that kills every 6th banner making the next group scatter again. Then there is the very real possibility that you can not bunch up with them if you want to win and regardless you lose every purge mission by default, give upt first blood and very likely warlord kill during 1st or 2nd turn and are just as mobile as any foot slogging infantry. Oh, and with the necessary ups that formation costs close to 1500p making you lose most games before deployment. Yes, that is very powerful.

  • LordKrungharr

    I thought this was Daemonkin Formations when I saw the Fist of Khorne….will that be allowed in tournaments? Cuz I would really really enjoy that one 🙂

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Don’t see why not. Wraithknight is allowed after all.

    • JJ

      Sure just be sure to bring your physical copy of the book!

      • Orodruin

        *yawn*

        • JJ

          Sarcasm the internet has no button for it! Like everyone isn’t going to torrent this book!

          • Orodruin

            Yeah after reading your other comments I picked up on it. I’m a little slow. 😛

  • moonshadow101

    Fist of Khorne. “You know that whole not-charging-on-arrival rule we’ve made universal? Well, this entire squad can ignore that rule, for free, with no drawbacks and no substantial unit tax.”

    • crevab

      They had to make them both usable somehow :p

    • Malkov

      You mean other than the fact the every model involved is horribly overcosted?

      Sure, no tax at all. Just a third of your army into one assault unit.

      • JJ

        That can’t mishap on Deep strike, causes a s D hit (do you know how big this model is?) on the models that you “accidentally” land on! Then the 20 bezerkers get to charge! Yep sounds like a bad investment to me! 1/3 of my army to tie up a good portion of your army till the rest gets here, not bad at all! AKA: Not a tax!

        • vonDietdrich

          Don’t forget the surprise factor of being able to charge immediately and therefore avoid eating enemy shooting because you’re tarpitted.

          That is literally the entire reason that assault has been bad since 6th and they conveniently ignore it.

          • JJ

            Yep, assault needs a rework!

          • vonDietdrich

            All it really needs is “if you charge on the turn that you exit a non-assault vehicle or have arrived from reserves, -3 inches to your charge distance result”, charge distance being 6″ + d6 instead of 2d6, et voila. Functional assault.

            But instead it’s mostly useless.

          • Crablezworth

            not bad

          • Roboutte Cleatus Guilliman

            No assault bonus attack either. I’m kinda digging this theory

        • Shiwan8

          It’s crap. Lets make a realistic scenario here. That thing lands and kills a scatterbike, one scatterbike. Then the berzerkers multiassault as many of those goups as they can, ie. about 3. They kill the bikes and are then in the open. During the next psychic phase 80% of those zerkers die due to one psychic power and a WK kicks the pod back to the orbit.

          So, that thing would be worth it if it costed something like half of what it does.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            maybe in that situation it should land on the wraithknight?

          • Shiwan8

            And cause d3 wounds? Why bother?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            because there is a 1 in 6 chance of killing it outright, and if you don’t the zerkers can charge it and destroy it in the assault phase.

          • Shiwan8

            Possible in theory, but unlikely enough to be wishful thinking at best.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            1 in 6 chance of destroying it outright, if that fails then the zerkers can charge it and destroy it in assault. If they fail to destroy it then they are safely locked in combat through the Eldar turn.

          • Shiwan8

            There is equal chance for destroying it and not doing anything. On top of that there is the fact that if that is done the pod is dead next turn.

            Zerkers are not ap3 or rending, so no killing there. I do not think “safely” fits well with being targeted by the stomps etc…

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            20 Zerkers puts out 80 S5 attacks on the charge, AP3 and rending not really needed.

          • Shiwan8

            Yeah, about 50 of those hit. 8-9 wounds (lets assume 9), 6 of those stop to the armor of the WK and 1 to the FNP. Yay, 2 wounds to 300p unit with a 400p unit + d3 from a 260 rock. Yes, the eldar need to be scared now.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            because I always run my huge zerker squads without a single IC or even a powerfist or powersword on the Sarge…

          • Shiwan8

            You can not fit an IC there and why would you add something there that is redundant already, if for nothing else than the sheer amount of attacks you cause?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Ah I didn’t realise the squad had to be at 20 and max out the transport capacity of the Kharybdis. Anyhow if the sarge has a special weapon I think the squad has a fair chance of destroying the Wraithknight outright and at worst tieing it up for the turn and destroying it at the end of the Eldar turn, which is in some ways a preferable result.

            Anyway we all know the Wraithknight is way under priced and the Kharybdis overpriced. Doesn’t mean that this formation is rubbish though.

          • JJ

            1. How are you only killing one bike with a model this size?http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Legion_Vehicles/LEGION_KHARYBDIS_ASSAULT_CLAW.html
            2. Not every game is vs Eldar, so there is no need to validate every unit vs that codex alone!

          • Shiwan8

            Actually, now that I read it properly, it does not even kill the bike. It does nothing to it. So, the claw lands, does nothing because there are no vehicles or buildings around and the berzerkers do what was previously mentioned, ie. almost nothing.

            Every unit should be validated against them. They are THE codex that now makes winners. Either you succeed on curb stomping them or you lose, end of story.

    • vonDietdrich

      GW Business Strategy:

      1. Make rules that apply to everything in the game.
      2. Make new things that require an outlay of lots of cash, which break previously established rules in advantageous ways.
      3. Profit.

      • Crablezworth

        yup

    • JJ

      Pay 2 win!

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        Money for the Money God, Cash for the Cash Throne!

        • Crablezworth

          codex wallet, works everytime

        • Thadd Replogle

          Payhammer $40k

      • Crablezworth

        yup, it’s true

    • Crablezworth

      formations, every game system needs a cancerous growth to lance

      • Chris. K Cook

        Ah yes the fun and choice cancers.

    • Galaxy S40,000

      as someone who has used land raiders as the only means of assault transport for over a decade, you can go straight to nurgle and kiss him on the lips

  • Jake Nolan

    More Khorne…

  • Daniel Jesse James Griffin

    m/ Gore for the Goreguard m/

  • Huntard

    Only Bloodied Horde and Fist of Khorne carried much interest for me. They both make a solid addition to a Blood Host based Daemonkin army.

    The other formations all I can say are meh, they live in the land of 2500+ points for just the formation and thus outside the scale of 40k that I regularly play (1500-1850pts) and thus are outside my interest.

  • apackistany

    People are dumb and this thread makes me sad for humans. Just the comment section though.

    • crevab

      Check out the opinion pages or comments sections on news sites. This is only Primary school level Derp

    • Chris. K Cook

      NEVER READ THE COMMENTS!

  • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

    Even if this book was not a limited edition I wouldn’t buy it. I mean, just like the rest of FW books is god damn expensive to fill the formations and lists you require. At least not all of them are FW models

    • £12 is “god damn expensive”?

      • An_Enemy

        Is that price from another source? Because, in that blurry picture, you see £12 and I see £72. Hard to tell.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          I’m 99.9% sure its £12. Besides, AFAIK no FW book has ever cost £72.

          • Roboutte Cleatus Guilliman

            I just bought book IV and it was £78

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            sh1t! Thats crazy money…

  • Shiwan8

    None of the formations are making the daemonkin worth the eldar so….why bother, really?

  • benn grimm

    Yeah feeling really sad I’m going to miss this….;) Here gw, some advice for free, make the Bloodthrister not rubbish and I’ll take him. I won’t buy more than one coz thats just greedy; and what respecting greater daemon of unfettered rage is going to hang around in pairs? I know you made three, but that’s just greedy… while you’re at it, make bloodletters, bloodcrushers and the mark of khorne not suck. Pwease? Pwetty pwease?

    • Shiwan8

      That about sums it up. Maybe make the big daemons 150p and elite. That way they would be in par with the WK.

      • An_Enemy

        Show me on this doll where the Wraithknight touched you.

        Seriously, you need to get over it.

  • Aezeal

    So GW makes some formations that make some units you might have more viable/competative/fun to play with.. and that is a bad thing? I’ve heard tons of people complain they have this and this model which they can’t use because it’s not good.. and this is bad? If you don’t have the models you don’t have to buy them, you don’t HAVE to buy this book even and you certainly don’t have to play with it.
    I really don’t get the problem. The only problem I see is that some people here have serious mental problems.

    • Shiwan8

      None of the units that are more viable through that are not viable as is. The “not viable” units are even worse because of these.

      None of these are competitive.

      Most are not fun since about 80% of chaos players alone lack the means to field them without substantial extra cost on real money, same goes for the GK formation.

      Even if they did, the game would have to be way over 2k in most cases, meaning that they can not fit them in normal games.

      How is this good?

      • Roboutte Cleatus Guilliman

        A battle company is over 3000 points alone. I can’t imagine a 1st company being less than 3800.

        • Shiwan8

          How is this a good thing?

  • Spacefrisian

    Dunno what the rage is about, most formations wont even fit in the usual 1500 or 1850 points range (5×10 Terminators or other vets), so there is no real point in getting these.
    The only viable formation in it is the Khorne Daemonkin one with special big droppod that now seems to land instead of fly around for a round. Its also the cheapest money wise as those others rack up to be over 400 euros. Assuming peeps use a regular pod for that Karibdis thing (dont go wild on that one doesnt fit 20 marines, a rhino cant even have 5 marines fitted in them)

    • Bartosz Koc

      Was thinking the exact same thing. People rage, for no reason. Ah well… Internet I guess.

  • Bartosz Koc

    Cute comments. It clearly says campaign supplement, thus intended for huge battles, preferably planetary strike or Apocalypse. Why do all the WAAC tournament players cry? You will never field this or face this anyway.

    • Theik

      That’s not entirely true, the formations from Leviathan and Exterminatus are perfectly usable in smaller games, and those are also campaign supplements. “Campaign” in no way indicates how big a battle will be.

    • Chris. K Cook

      Why doe WAAC twonks even care, as it’s hard to get and almost every tourny insists that you only have a hard copy or a digital copy on your iPad/Tablet/Kindle and in the pursuit of fairness most TOs will just not allow it.

  • Christie Bryden

    Dear GW, some people dont live in easy access to notingham, please look at a map, Limit release online is one thing that people are annoyed with but atleast that can be aquired by people using the internet.

  • DaveTycho

    Is it me, or does that cover look so old school? Not that is a bad thing.

    • vonDietdrich

      It’s probably a recycled piece of old art.

      • DaveTycho

        With a terminator Marneus Calgar vs a FW bloodthirster? Those models weren’t around back in the 90’s

    • Chris. K Cook

      That Logo. It’s escaped from 2nd ed.

  • Tesq

    Chaos knight????

    • Captyn Bob

      No rules for that yet. Soon. Sooooooon

  • Drew

    This is without a doubt the nastiest comment thread I have read on BOLS in a long time- and the commenters aren’t even talking about the article anymore…

    Would it kill us to speak decently to each other, even if we’re not face to face?

    • Shiwan8

      No, it would not. Still, it’s the internets’ way, you know, John Gabriels’ theory…

      • Chris. K Cook

        The one you personify?

        • Shiwan8

          Are you talking to yourself or are you just projecting?

          • Chris. K Cook

            I know you are but what am I?

          • Shiwan8

            So, projecting or double personality disorder. Roger that. Good to know, your attitude makes a lot more sense now.

    • Galaxy S40,000

      a lot of the time you just have to wait for the more annoying ones to lose interest and dissipate.

      • Chris. K Cook

        Sadly the thread gets locked about 4 hours after that.

        • Galaxy S40,000

          i’m talking months and in some extreme cases years :/

    • Roboutte Cleatus Guilliman

      Go die!

  • Sam Brown

    Wonder if this is part of a build up to the 40k end times mentioned in the Assassinorum:Execution Force novel?
    Personally I’m really looking forward to GW destroying the whole 40k universe just like they did fantasy (sarc).

    • Shiwan8

      That is the direction they are heading towards.

  • Jared McWilliams

    Interesting If this is true, it would be the first time a forgeworld unit (brass scorpion/blood slaughterer) has rules printed in a direct citadel publication.

    • Shiwan8

      There’s no rules for them there. 😀

    • Captyn Bob

      Escalation had some. And the apocalypse books and warzone expansions.

    • georgelabour

      Apocalypse, Apocalypse reload, Apocalypse 2nd edition, Escalation, last edition’s IG book.

      And if you consider FW only conversion kits then Astra Militarum still uses a forgeworld unit in the vendetta.

  • Deathmage

    More khorne, yay…

    • Captyn Bob

      MORE KHORN YAY!

  • Necky

    so… they just posted all the formations online… so we dont need to buy the book now. yay.

  • am1t

    Baal called, Lord Commander Dante wants his 40K campaign title back …

  • am1t

    EXCLUSIVE – Black Library extract!

    The Grey Knights Grand Master surveyed the assembled Knights, resplendent in their Aegis warded armour. He addressed them before they embarked on their dire mission, many would not return.

    “Strike Force! You are the Emperor’s Hand – and we have a job to do. Lets give these warp spawned abominations one hell of a Hand Job!”

    The Knights all laughed, their previous disciplined ranks became disorganised with some falling over in hysterical fits. The Grand Master did not know why, but at least they were in good spirits.

  • rfinkle

    Recasting is just capitalism at work. Stop being bloody communists.

  • Wayne Molina

    It’s mind boggling that people are okay with this “exclusive” crap. This is not how you market anything.

    • Roboutte Cleatus Guilliman

      Do you have gigantic army of each force? Cuz you need a gigantic army of each force to play.

      I only wish they’d come out with generic campaign templates

      • Wayne Molina

        Generic advice I definitely think they need. I’d love to see like a GW-ified version of Tony Bath’s Ancient Wargaming or Donald Featherstone Wargaming Campaigns.