Goatboy’s 40k: Death to Superfriends & Long Live Dognado!

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The Super Friends may be too “taxed” out to be good any longer, but meet the new “star” out there that will terrorize the 40K tabletop!

Welcome back to another week of Goatboy chatter.

Instead of giving a single list I want to go into the different ways you can create this – BarkStar as some people are calling it.  I think it is more like Beast Star 2.0 and instead of utilizing the annoyance of fortune it just covers the board in turd dropping little doggies.  Of course you can make it like the old Beast Star with the ever present ban of competitive 40k – Allies and Battle Brothers.  Will talk about that in one of the list thoughts down below.

What is BarkStar?

But first – what is the basics behind BarkStar?  It all revolves around the introduction of the newest Greentide like formation that the Space Wolves got in the Wolfkin formation.

Wolfkin Formation – From Curse of the Wulfen
Make up – 2-5 Units of Fenris Wolves
Extra Rules: These 2-5 units can combine into one big ole unit and gain some extra rules – like if they number over 20 models they all get +1 attack.  The unit gets Outflank and they even get Monster Hunter.

Why is it good? Having a unit that can move 12 inches, has a decent amount of close combat attacks, numbers 50+, takes up a ton of game space real estate, and happens to be Battle Brothers with the most abusable other faction armies means this is ripe for abuse.   Really again the annoyance of Battle Brothers really brings out the nasty in list building.  But we’ll bring up a non-battle brothers Wolves list too so you can decide if this is really a bad thing.  The biggest part of this unit that I think brings it up to a nutty level is you have 50+ models on terminator sized bases!  I want you to think about how much room that takes up and how you can easily wrap up a ton of objectives and keep your opponent off of them.  Heck I can imagine a lot of closed topped Rhinos happening when this list is running around the table top.

Let’s go with a maxed sized formation to see the point total and just go all the way with every option.  Personally – I think 50 or so dogs will do the job well enough as it should leave you enough room for the true stars of whatever army you want to do.

Wolfkin Formation
5 Units of 15 Dogs plus upgraded Cyber Wolf aka Challenge taker – 650pts.  That’s 75 bodies on the table and a ton of extra wounds to hide whatever Battle Brother character you want.

Some BarkStar Lists

First list – that basically just tries to hide a ton of Powerfists to make it like a pseudo Greentide aka the Furrtide.  We’ll go with 2 versions – one with casting and the other with just pure aggression.

The Furrtide!
Wolfkin Formation
Maxed – 5 Units of 15 dogs plus 5 Cyber Wolves

Wolves Unleashed Detachment
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF
Wolf Priest, Jump Pack
Grey Hunters X 5, Rhino, Wolf Standard
Blood Claws X 5

Librarian Conclave – Ravenguard
Librarian, Lvl 2, Force Axe, JP
Librarian, Lvl 2, Force Axe, JP
Librarian, Lvl 2, Force Axe, JP

1850 on the nose.  The reason for all the Jump Packs on the other non Thunder Wolf characters is that for normal guys, if you don’t use them in the movement phase you can reroll your charge distance in the assault phase.  This lets you still have “fleet” to get charges off in case of a bad charge roll.  The Raven Guard librarians can use it in both phases as well plus they are stealthed the first turn of the game so the big ole Furrtide can have some measure of protection.  This list works exactly the same as any other big fat unit of troops – they move up, get involved, and try to grind out a win.  The Grey Hunters with the Wolf Standard will give another +1 attack – making this unit pretty gnarly.  If you happen to roll on Sanctic for your powers you can even shoot for HammerHand as well.  That plus misfortune can even take down a Knight pretty quickly.  Shrouding and Invisibility are also other trick.  You won’t be shooting anyone to death but you will give them a ton of dog hair in their mouth.

Here is another – combo heavy one that really pushes how annoying Battle Brothers can be.

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Bark Bark Star!!
Wolfkin Formation
Maxed – 5 Units of 15 dogs plus 4 Cyber Wolves

Dark Angels CAD
Librarian, Bike, Lvl 2, Meltabomb
Chaplain, Bike, Meltabomb
Scout Squad X 5
Scout Squad X 5
Azrael

Champions of Fenris Detachment
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF, Runic Armor
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF, Runic Armor
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF, Runic Armor
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, SS, PF
Servitor X 1
Servitor X 1

Do you want a way to have all your dogs get a 4+ Invulnerable save, have 3 Fearless Options in units, and get +3 to the assault range?  Well you sprinkle in some Fluff tearing Battle Brothers from the Dark Angels you and got yourself a big fat star of nonsense.  Heck your Librarian could roll on Sanctic and get Hammerhand or Sanctuary.  You could drop a WBGL for another Rune Priest or heck maybe even dip into the Wolves Unleashed and take some Grey Hunters/Blood Claws in Rhinos.  This is the design that can easily be tweaked and changed based on what other stuff you can fit in from Detachments that most likely shouldn’t go together with other detachments.

Personally I really like the use of this as a buffer unit.  We all know how good bubble wrapping can be – and I really think this formation could do wonders for some of the other armies as a big, fast bubble wrap. We’ll start with looking at the new “Space Wolf Decurion/Host/etc thing”.  This will let us grab the Wolfkin Formation and will let us count as “one” choice in the current ITC Format.  The idea here is to utilize the nature of a big fat blocking unit mixed with a ton of dakka coming at you.  You can push forward, force your opponent into bad situations and keep your “good” stuff alive from counter assaults and close range fire power.

Dances-with-wolves-literally

Space Wolf Wolf Claw Strike Force NONSENSE FIGHT!
Legendary Great Pack – Iron Wolves
WGBL, Thunder Wolf, PF, SS
Blood Claws X 5, Razorback, TWL Assault Cannon, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade
Blood Claws X 5, Razorback, TWL Assault Cannon, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade
Blood Claws X 5, Razorback, TWL Assault Cannon, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade
Grey Hunters X 5, Wolf Standard, Razorback, Lascannon/TWL Plasma Gun, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade
Land Speeders X 2, TWL Assault Cannon X 2, Typhoon ML X 2
Land Speeders X 2, TWL Assault Cannon X 2, Typhoon ML X 2
Land Speeders X 2, TWL Assault Cannon X 2, Typhoon ML X 2
Long Fangs X 2, Razorback, Las Cannon/TWL Plasma Gun, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade
Long Fangs X 2, Razorback, Las Cannon/TWL Plasma Gun, HK Missile, Storm Bolter, Dozer Blade

Wolfkin Formation
Fenris Wolves X 10, Cyber Wolf Upgrade X 4 – 5 Units

Lord of the Fang  
Ulrik

Assassin Detachment
Culexus Assassin

The big bubble of Dogs are there to keep things from getting to close to your goodies – which is a crap ton of vehicles.  The Iron Wolves seem like the strongest of the Great pack options as there isn’t much “taxation” when you compare to what you are getting and trying to do with the army.  This is all about just shooting you as much as you can, driving around the table, and hopefully not needing Objective secured to control an objective.  I went with Ulrik as he can push out a bubble of Preferred enemy, join the dogs to make them Fearless, and just be a pain in the butt if needed.  The Assassin is there as he is pretty cheap, can kick out a unit of Long Fangs from their Ride and just try to be a pain in the butt.

Overall – this type of huge, fast, and aggressive unit is something I feel will see in the upcoming season of events.  I remember how the Greentide could just be a pain to deal with and I suspect a faster version with more attacks and better attached characters might do a heck of a lot more for the environment.  I don’t know if the full investment option would be best or just a board control option.  I plan on testing this a bit as time goes on and while I am so used to Deathstars I feel that you can win more games if you just go into it thinking you will control the entire board space.

What kind of army lists are you thinking about with the new Curse of the Wulfen?  Has the new campaign book breathed some life into your Space Puppies or Counts as Puppies armies?

 

  • Emprah

    Bruno picture, lol.

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    • Bran D

      When did adding those stupid pictures every paragraph become a thing?

      • benn grimm

        Long long time ago…

  • euansmith

    Wolfkin? That sounds like a kiddies TV Show, “Fluffy Barlamb, Snuffles and Wolfkin”.

    • Crevab

      Yes… kiddie show. Keep avoiding Tumblr. Cherish that particular ignorance

      • euansmith

        Not another “Seraphon” moment from Gee-dub?

        • Muninwing

          … think halfway between furry and “believes he/she is a lycanthrope”

          because cat gifs, pornography, piracy, whining about GW prices, and video games are the only things the internet is good for. combine at least two and you have a powerhouse.

          • Crevab

            Someone’s made a Cat video whining about GW? Neat

          • benn grimm

            Would be even better if it was a cat who looked like Hitler…;)

          • Mud_Duck

            What are you talking about? Cats CONTROL GW! They are the Illuminated Ones! It’s not NWO, that’s a sham! A cover-up, It’s really a CATNIP CONSPIRACY!

            LOOK IT UP! SHEEPLE! 😉

          • euansmith

            I, for one, welcome our feline overlords!

          • Mud_Duck

            Yes, I do as well. As matter of fact two of the fuzzy ones have infiltrated the house, and I believe that they are conducting mind control experiments using sub sonic noise and fuzzy belly fur.

        • Crevab

          Otherkin: Folks that believe (or at least pretend) their souls were born in the wrong body. Which can range from “I hate pants, they make my spirit tail itch” to “When I see people praying, I want to tell them I’m right here.”

  • JP

    Where netlists are born. LE SIGH.

    • benn grimm

      I think you give too much credit; this is where net lists go, but I very much doubt the goat can take actual credit for coming up with them. Nearly all the list ‘ideas’ I’ve seen him post have appeared elsewhere previously, including this latest offering. Putting them on here does make them more popular though I’d imagine.

      • JP

        You realize you just described most of the content on this ENTIRE SITE right?

        • LordRao

          Define ‘content’.

          • JP

            The starchy substance they use to glue meat byproducts together into something vaguely resembling real food.

        • benn grimm

          Yeah, possibly…)

      • ZeeLobby

        And i’d say about half really aren’t that good competitively

        • benn grimm

          Probably more. I suppose it depends on the forum/site, there’s some very smart, very competitive people who come up with the ‘good’ stuff a lot quicker, with units people actually use, then there’s always the fantasists who like to come up with uber-broken lists that no-one will ever buy or play. Well maybe that one guy…)

  • Koszka

    Then you play one of these builds, only to discover that 1 wound flesh hounds with a 6+ save kinda kinda suck. Too large of a unit to be truly effective.

    They worst thing about this build is that it is too cumbersome. True there are a lot of models in this unit and you can cast psychic powers and such to protect them, but in the end you’re tucking a lot of points into a unit that can easily get bogged down if charged on one of its flanks. Also, a single knight could tie this unit down indefinitely. Granted, you could just give the unit hit and run, but even then you have a 1/3 chance of failing.

    • Daniil Osudin

      then you could in theory just include cypher for both hit&run, shrouded and I7 to fail the hit and run test on 6+ only…

      • Koszka

        190 points for awesome hit and run + shroud. Hmmmm. I’m conflicted!

        …Then agan I use cypher in my IG blob quite a bit. hahaha. Always a blast. I’m having a hard time with the mere footprint of the unit though. It takes up so much space, and it can be a real double edged sword.

  • “…this is ripe for abuse.”

    Yeah, unless you know… don’t.

  • extrenm54

    I am all for promoting the awesomeness of the alpha pack. I am not for promoting an invisible alpha pack.

  • Malthrak

    Why would anyone want to play with this? The abortion of the game’s background is intense and it just doens’t look fun to play with or against either way.

    • Daniil Osudin

      it would be fun to play against it if you had a 2++ re-rollable screamerstar that ties that one unit down for the rest of the game, while summoning daemons to score objectives. (it comes out cheaper in points too)

      • benn grimm

        But then you’d be just as bad a fun sponge as the guy who brought this list; two wrongs and all that jazz…

        • If you break out a bad fun sponge for the sole intention of shutting down another bad fun sponge, you are forgiven

        • lorieth

          No no, the screamerstar is cheaper so you’d spend the rest of the points on fun stuff. You know, drinks, popcorn, a band…

      • Malthrak

        None of that sounds like fun at all 🙁

  • OolonColluphid

    These wouldn’t be a thing if GW made better rules.
    Taking Wulfturion’s should reduce all other Imperial Armies to Allies of Convenience or Desperate Allies. Maybe except the “Reasonable” Knights.

  • Chraeloni

    This “list” is everything wrong with 40k today. Between Vela constantly scream typing “get in here” and video-only bat reps and this guys attempts at broken lists, I’ve decided to improve my life and stop checking this site for news. Rant over.

    • benn grimm

      It helps if every time you read ‘get in here!’ you do it in the voice of Grim Patron from off WoW/Hearthstone. Cheers me up every time 😉

      • lorieth

        You’re right, that does help. Previously the mental voice had been more like Scorpion’s “Get over here!” from Mortal Kombat.

  • Drew

    I wanted to be mad at Goatboy for writing this…then I realized I should be mad at myself for looking at BoLS and expecting something other than people dreaming up ways to make gaming as miserable an experience as possible for their opponents.

    • John Felger

      You should be mad at GW for creating the context wherein this is the natural evolution of the game. 😀 Don’t kid yourself, these lists and the constant shift of the game is intended. Games Workshop wants the Magic the Gathering business model, only at their prices. Most sane people have started to give it a pass.

      • ZeeLobby

        100% this.

    • georgelabour

      So basically you just want to be mad…which is pretty similar to dreaming up ways to make things miserable.

      • Drew

        Fair point! Apologies for the negative tone.

        What I truly am is sad that players looking to just have fun playing with toy soldiers have to worry about seeing lists like this across the table if they go to the FLGS for a pickup game, and that’s on all of us, whether it’s GW writing the rules to exploit, Goatboy and others doing the exploiting, or the community as a whole for not self-regulating effectively.

        • georgelabour

          Well unless Goatboy has access to santa’s magic sleigh I doubt to many innocent young minds will be rendered insensate by his diabolocial hypotehticals.

          Though from the comments of some of the angryhammer players it most certainly seems as if some people truly beleive that he has just such a super power at his disposal. 0.0

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    5 wolves for 25 bucks

    75 wolves needed.

    75/5=15
    15×25=375

    One unit is 375 dollars, not including the Cyber Wolves.

    Wow.

  • Damistar

    So, I’m confused. We see so many articles about how broken and unbalanced 40K is, and the we get articles that show us the best ways to break the game?

  • benn grimm

    You should write a book; ‘101 ways to make Marines (and goats) more hated than they are already’, I mean it shouldn’t take long, just copy/paste a years worth of your articles and hey presto, book done. You may need to invest in a proof-reader at some point though…

  • Niraco

    Why noone post the l 2+ rerolable cover 2+ armor 3+ invul multi wound hit and run with 6 rolls after invisibility SW/DA list after the changes in curse of wolfen? Thats actually broken.

    Not these willy nilly i die in 1 turn lists. For god i have 150 shots per turn in my regular list. With s:6.

  • Daniil Osudin

    this list is quite easy to counter, just assault it with something insanely durable like a couple of knights, or even another deathstar. Screamerstar comes to mind, with 2+ invul it would tie it down for the rest of the game while also being cheaper and being able to summon more daemons to the table.

    • Spacefrisian

      You could bring an army of Emperor’s champions and charge in so you can pick there characters out 1 by 1. That champion gets to choose who he will fight in a challenge….so no hiding behind Fenrisian pups.

  • georgelabour

    And the probability of anyone ever having these exact combinations of models, AND being the kind of person who’d play people utterly unprepared to engage them in kind is…..

  • Andrew Thomas

    Needs the Wall of Martyrs Net with max Tank Traps. Park Hellfrost & Claw Dreads behind, Wolves straddling the barricades, maybe ally in a GKL for some potential ranged D and AtSKNF. That hoses null deploy and neuter superheavies,especially Walkers, bad.

    • Andrew Thomas

      I can fit the Wolves, 2 HFC/ML Dreads, 1 WGBL tax with TWolf, Claws and Rune Armour, and have room for about 4.5 square feet of cover, 3.5 off which can’t be crossed by non-Skimmer/Flyer vehicles, as well as up to 4 Punisher Cannon, (although you might keep half as Quad Icarus Lascannon), two being BS 3 and Void Shielded.

  • Spacefrisian

    So can i now bring my Kabalite Stormsurge formation as an unbound list?

    • Andrew Thomas

      Yes, but by itself, or with other Formations/Detachments, it counts as Battleforged.

      • Spacefrisian

        We are talking about that version from the Whiedwarf yes?, the one where you choose if it comes in round 1 or 2 as flyers and reduces Leadership by 3 and 1 depending on range of opponent from it when it lands.

        With the right tools this can eat Psykers when they start casting psychic powers.

        • Andrew Thomas

          I guess. I have no source for that Formation, so I don’t even know if it’s legal play anymore.

  • sethmo

    The issue with this is the base size, you cannot put that many attacks onto a unit, ever….

    You deal with this the same way as the ork list, feed it semi tough units that tie it up and make it consolidate the direction you want. (Off the mentioned objectives you are trying to protect/block)

    IE: Throw cheap assault units at it, like khorne dogs or plague bearers.

  • Agent OfBolas

    oh those copy + paste lists are so interesting …. seriously, it’s always the same: HQ, same unit, same unit, same unit, same unit …

    So boring :/

  • Joseph Boyd

    I play space Wolves. But I will not run some cheesey list that includes 75 fenrisian wolves. It is total cheese and not really fun to play or play against. If I run into this list anywhere they will not be playing against me. Have some respect for the history of the game.

  • The Angry Centrist

    The Iron Wolves detachment is illegal. It states there must be room in transports for ALL the units. The WGBL on Thunderwolf will not fit into a transport in the list.