Getting Excited for Age of Sigmar!

 

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Hey everyone, Reecius here to talk about the Frontline Gaming upcoming Age of Sigmar learning league!

So we here at Frontline Gaming will be launching an Age of Sigmar learning league among the staff, and we invite anyone so inclined to join in with us!

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Age of Sigmar has been a rocky road as a game, with some very, very strong feelings provoked by it. It is the replacement for Warhammer Fantasy, and a large change from that game. It is a very casual rule set, very laid back, simple with an emphasis on fun. It lacks a great deal of structure which makes it easily accessible to new players but it can be a turn off for experienced players that enjoy organized styles of play. Plus, this new move by Games Workshop to engage their community again is awesome, and we hope the trend continues.

AoS-summer changes

All of that is changing though, as Games Workshop is releasing a points system for the game! That is exciting news. Our staff at Frontline Gaming will be joining in on the fun and starting a learning league for the game. We all love the models but the game itself has been a bit luke warm for us. Having a bit more structure is very appealing for the type of game we like to play!

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We’re starting with 25 wounds and adding 25 wounds a month until we’ve built full armies. So far,

  1. Jason is playing Khorne
  2. Frankie is Playing Duardin Fyreslayers
  3. Mariana is playing Lizardmen
  4. Pablo is playing Stormcast Eternals
  5. Reece is playing Wood Elves (Wanderers and Sylvaneth)
  6. Brandon is playing Undead

It should be a blast! We’ve got quite a few folks that want to join in on the fun by building up their armies and sending in pictures of their progress for our blog and relating their battle reports! It should be a ton of fun.

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~How are all of you feeling about Age of Sigmar, these days? Would you be interested in joining a learning league for Age of Sigmar?

And remember, Frontline Gaming sells Games Workshop product at up to 25% off, every day!

  • Malky

    “Age of Sigmar has been a rocky road as a game”

    Nah, it’s fine.

    • ZeeLobby

      Depending on who you ask it’s either the bees knees or complete crap. Regardless the sales have been struggling. Maybe making it appealing to gamers again will improve that.

      • Commissar Molotov

        Shhh, it’s perfect and if you say otherwise you’re just a raging neckbeard.

        • Randy Randalman

          Literally no one has ever said or implied that, so the sarcasm/trolling missed the mark.

          • Shardak

            You and I have very different definitions of the words “literally” and “no-one”.

        • Barimbino

          Well that guy did burn like hundreds of dollars of dark elves… so there’s that.

          • J Mad

            I almost did the same, gave away all my Armies, I had 100’s of Beastmen (literally over 400 models) sold to a friend for 100$ its worth 10x that.

          • Aezeal

            Well that was stupid

          • J Mad

            SO is smoking, drink soda, being lazy, but I dont tell people they are stupid for their life choices.

          • Aezeal

            Well, I do..if the life choices are stupid.
            I actually money meant selling them CHEAP was stupid.
            But really.. SELLING them at all isn’t very smart either..but I’ll admit that is more subjective

        • Oldworld Survivor

          Be careful, you just disagreed with “them”

      • Malky

        Nah, its fine. No controversy.

        I’m glad they introduced this tactically challenging game to us. Such fun.

        Even if it does play like a really watered-down 40k with no depth or subst…*sips Kool Aid*… Nah, it’s fine…..

      • Dennis Finan Jr

        Ua but sales are for the whole hobby. Why would AOS sell more than,40k anyway

        • ZeeLobby

          Well it’s performing lower then they expected (post-holiday GW sale statement). I can totally understand that considering that 2 of the local FLGs near me still have starters from the initial stock last summer.

  • Jared Swenson

    Reecius, let me just say that is refreshing to see such a big leaguer like you show enthusiasm and have a positive outlook on this game. You guys do an excellent job I feel with the ITC and I look forward to what you have planned (if anything) for the future of AoS!

  • Westdraygon

    Hey guys what AOS army should I start?

    I have daemons already. Looking to start something new. Something I can carve out a place for myself in the realms.

    Yes it’s for the 25 wounds thing. I feel motivated for the first time in forever.

    • Randy Randalman

      Just play under the Alliance banners and you really expand your options!

      • Westdraygon

        Nah I want a defined army. Like battletome.

        • Xodis

          I generally like to collect armies that are complete opposites, so my recommendation would be either Stormcast or the new Ironjawz.

    • BaronSnakPak

      New Orcs?

      • Westdraygon

        Thank you gents. Orruks it is.

        Waaaaaaaaaaaagh n stuff.

    • Aezeal

      I got the starter for my kids and I’m really impressed by the stormcast models (yeah heresy here.. but true). I only sprayed them gold so far.. but great models, nice posing and much details. They are 5/4 sized knights. But then all of them with the big armor only the nobles would wear on horses I’d guess

    • Shardak

      Tomb Kings

    • standardleft

      Try the new Orruks, they are brutal!

    • Secundum

      Wait till the new rulebook comes out and we go back to points and proper army lists.

      • Westdraygon

        I’m ignoring points for now.

        Honestly, if it’s anything like 40ks points it could end up destroying my love for the game all over again. I love Orks in 40k but the hilariously poor points assignment on everything they have makes them easily the worst army in the game.

        The fact that they seem to be trying to balance the game does get me excited though. I have good feelings for AOS.

        Incidentally does anybody else notice how similar ‘Ard boyz statlines are to Stormcast? I wonder how they will balance them?

    • Il Produttore Signor Brandolin

      none

    • RS TROUT

      Do yourself a favor and get none. Buy 40k grey knights or something.

  • Randy Randalman

    Having utilized feedback from tournament organizers and podcast regulars to help with the points/balance system of AoS, here’s hoping GW does the same for 40k soon! Utilizing the folks from Veterans of the Long War, Frontlinegaming, etc, would do wonders; especially if it means bringing Tyranids, Orks, Astra Militarum, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Eldar up to the same power level.

    Oh, and less formations.

    • Brian Griffith

      …except the folks behind those podcasts generally like formations?

      • Westdraygon

        I think that formations can be fluffy in 40k. However, they are the primary reason for me dropping it as well, since they unbalanced the game to the point where it’s just not fun anymore.

        That and the new marine powers.

        Plus 30k has no formations and is the superior game for it, with little to none of the problems that plague 40k.

        • Brian Griffith

          Well my point’s more that Randy wants GW to listen to the guys from those podcasts and cut down on formations

          And well, if you listen to the advice of those guys, you get more formations, not less.

          • Westdraygon

            Ah right I see now.

  • Homeskillet

    If they get the organized play fleshed out, I could see it being a blast. Orruks for me if it pans out!

  • Kveldulf

    AoS is still garbage. Most of the new models are garbage.

    Gamesworkshop must have nothing but trendies to think they can actually carve out their new niche. I don’t think they’ll win over any long lasting attention without some fantastic, medieval historically based miniatures.

    If they want to save face, they need to look all the way back to 3rd edition, and take I giant dump on the trendy & power gamer crowds. The moth needs to come to the light, not the light to the moth.

    Warhammer was forged from the bizzare Blanche artwork, and over the top charactertures. Those reimagining Warhammer over the years, have brought a sterile sense of the world. I blame Age of reckoning and other mainstream attempts to make the IP too much to a single narrative. That and the attempt to condense the rules to where the distinguishing facets among the races are too marginalized.

    • Aezeal

      There are still normal humans. But like elves and non fyre dwarves the need some new models too.

    • Seienchin

      I agree with you in some respects. Yes – warhammer fantasy was growing and popular when it was over the top, funny and very distinct. On the other hand that “golden age” was not the 3rd edition (warhammer was VERY small back then) but the 5th edition and the success was built on a balance between entertaining older guys gaming while drinking beer, strategy nerds and children and teens buying the miniatures because they looked cool. 6th edition was the beginning of the end of warhammer. Popularity reached its peek in 6th edition but then starting fading away towards the end of 6th edition with huge drops in sales in 7th and 8th edition. Why? Because warhammer had nowhere to go and storm of chaos painfully showed that. The forging of one overarching story combined with warhammer 40k grimdarkness made the world more boring than it needed. Inhouse competition from 40k and LotR also was greatest in that timeframe and 7th and 8th completely failed to get new players by making the entrance barrier way to high and old players went away because it got boring(7th) or infuriatingly different (8th…)

      • Westdraygon

        What was so bad about eight edition? I never played WHFB so I don’t know much about it. 8th edition seems to be universally reviled by fans though.

        • Commissar Molotov

          It relied too much on the bonuses awarded to large units of troops (obvious money grab on GW’s part) and spell-casting, unlike earlier editions. Because units were encouraged to grow so large with special morale rules, it made cavalry and missile units a lot less useful. Many WHFB’ers preferred 6th and 7th edition because it was better balanced and didn’t suffer from unit “bloat.”

        • Seienchin

          Quite a few players love the 8th edition since it solved the worst balancing issues of the 7th edition, made battles far bigger than before and was extremely heavy on combo building and dicing. It was however damaging for the community due to the bigger armies costing a LOT more money. The cost of entry just became to high. (A normal unit now in 8th is 20-50 guys while it was 16 in the 1990s and early 2000s and point costs per model also went down a lot). Even young adults could not afford 2000 points of lets say a dwarf army if a regiment costs up to 160€. On the other hand the rules were pretty different in tone to the older versions and far removed from the wargaming simulation older versions tried to be and became a lot more “gamey” but for many people that was a good thing but others hate it.

    • standardleft

      Have you seen the AoS concept work by Blanche? its quite cool.

  • Zachary A. Cadena

    I like AoS and the setting. And i think ill like it even more with the new rule set. Tbh, i have been following Warhammer for over a decade now; purchased 40k models because the armies there appealed more to me. I LIKED fantasy as a setting, read all the Gotrek novels and many more one offs concerning the setting but since AoS its the first time i was interested in buying into the game. Instead of staring down the barrel of that giant mess of rules (which was hard enough to do for 40k) AoS was approachable and it was easy to make a choice into what army i wanted to get into. Just started painting an army of Fyreslayers, combining my love for Slayers (Gotrek forever) and giving them a pretty cool spin. I understand the hate this game gets but i do not think it will do anyone any good to trash this game because WHF died. AoS is no WHF, stop trying to put it in its place and criticize it for not being something that it isnt trying to be. Of course GW is at least somewhat listening to you with these rules (which i find to be an interesting change that ADDS something instead of replacing things), but at least give this world a chance. Its a baby compared to the world of WHF, and it will take ALOT of time for it to catch up as a game and its lore.

    • Евгения Ремезова

      Issue is, it won’t ever catch up to WHFB. WHFB was historically based High Fantasy (close to Tolkien), while AoS is flashy and empty pop-fantasy (close to WoW, but even WoW is better). AoS simply lacks the basis of what made WHFB awesome.
      Look at this:
      http://www.northernshield-team.com/northernshield2/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/chaos_4.jpg
      This is proper Warhammer! Grimdark, yet not Grimderp like 40K became after people like Matt Ward got their hands on it. It’s a proper Gothic Fantasy. Something that flashy AoS will never ever be.

      • Zachary A. Cadena

        I think it has the potential to be good. Its no where near what WHFB has, of course it doesn’t! Its got the scene of a story but hardly a story mostly pulled from the old world. I see it as less Tolkien (which is great, doesnt need to be another Tolkien knock off setting) and more Norse mythology with different world interconnected ( yggdrasil ). It has plenty of time to fill in the gaps if we just let it. I enjoy the epic nature of it. Its WAY more high fantasy that low fantasy that is true but that doesn’t necessarily make it a bad thing. The only real difference i see is that the Chaos Warrior is finally fighting someone is own size…(Look i agree sigmarines was not the smartest faction to start this whole thing with, totally made the wrong first impression, but consider that GW is actually CREATING new factions as compared to just constantly redoing the old.) The scope of this new world is MUCH larger and can allow for any number of new possibilities, and alot more leg room in terms of creativity, expanding on what they already have, instead of trying to shove new groups into the old world and somehow make it make sense to the lore (which was extensive and hard to do)

        • Евгения Ремезова

          Well, for the record, I do plan to order myself bunch of Chaos Warriors (plus some newer Bloodreavers to use as Marauders). But I’m still extremely doubtful about Lore – it’s hard for a person that took interest in 40K and FB back in 2003, to adapt to this new style.
          Especially the artwork. It’s soo bright and flashy and toy-ish. Meh.
          We’ll see where it ends up.

      • standardleft

        I thought these were quite cool. Its a bit more Gods and Monsters, but I like it.

        • Евгения Ремезова

          It is a cheap, child-oriented, over-coloured, plot-less, un-serious, ugly and poorly designed pop-fantasy.
          That’s the entire describtion of the whole Age of Sigmar.

          • standardleft

            Kind of sounds like warhammer orcs and goblins.

          • Евгения Ремезова

            Just the second art – Flying Horses? Age of Sigmar fan (probably having brain of a child of eight years old) would say: “Wow, cool! Awesome, lol!”.
            I, and most of the WHFB fans, would ask: “WTF?! Flying horses? How the hell do they fly?! Even Chaos Knight didn’t have flying horses!”

          • standardleft

            They are daemons. You know, like the one Archaon road in fantasy,

          • Евгения Ремезова

            Oh. So, they’re daemons? Awesome! What Daemons are they? Since early days of WHFB, we had a very good system of classification of Daemons, based on in-game logic and lore.
            So… are they Discs of Tzeentch? Or maybe they are Bloodthirstiers? Nope, they don’t look like them…
            So, how the hell do they fly?! That’s the main issue of AoS – it lacks this straight in-game logic and written fluff that can act as “laws of universe” and keep it coherent and semi-logical, as much as it is possible for fantasy. That’s what WHFB has over AoS.

          • standardleft

            What daemon was Archaon’s ‘horse’? There were several undivided daemons that undivided chaos lord ride?

            Demons don’t all fall under the 4 categories of Slannesh, Nurgle, Khorne or Tzeentch, there are plenty of other types. They were mostly fleshed out in the realms of chaos book. http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65e0a18eead83bb9b3199ab86b7d623817c2bb3c80cbf71193c2565b93d2dbe0.jpg

            The Vanguard are also jumping out of a realmgate, so they could just be gliding down with Archaon, he’s a powerful sorcerer after all.

            I don’t really think arguing about fictional demon horses, is really very valuable. That picture is consistent with AoS lore.

            If you don’t like it fine, but its all completely subjective.

          • Damistar

            Bretonians did. Empire had griffins too. Are you complaining there are fantastic creatures in a fantasy game? Perhaps you need to look into some of Warlord’s historicals instead.

          • Евгения Ремезова

            Once again, Griffins and Pegauses are creatures from folklore. It’s not like they were made on empty space because AoS needed some “awesome flying demonic horses!”.
            And once again – this shows how much of proper High Fantasy was in WHFB, comparing it to AoS.

          • bobrunnicles

            As opposed to ‘awesome flying undead horses’ which must be okay in your book…look I’m not saying that you can’t prefer WFB over AoS, I do myself truth be told (though I also don’t mind AoS), it’s just that some of your arguments don’t hold water when examined more closely.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Then why do hex knights fly, why does the black coach fly? Why are there hippogryph or Pegasus knights? These all existed in previous editions.

          • bobrunnicles

            I see their hooves are on fire, which makes me think of the Fire Mares from Krull – that was 1980s fantasy too so the concept has a pedigree from over 30 years ago…right around the time WFB 1e came out in fact.

          • Fungrim

            We play toy soldiers dude, it’s ALL child-oriented.

          • Евгения Ремезова

            Oh, what irony. Go away, please? I mean, if you didn’t look past basic rules into deep Grim and Gothic Lore, stories of brutal warriors and desperate heroes… nah, you don’t need it, do you?
            And yes, your “toy soldiers” can look like this:
            http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/09/e4/6e09e41cc20b31998740c596ca05b016.jpg
            P.S. Warhammer has Slaanesh, with all her artefacts. At least, had, before GW decided to wither her down in favour of selling WH to kids.

          • Fungrim

            ‘go away’ – irony indeed!

            I’m assuming you’ve read some AoS fluff? The bits about the moral dilemmas of forced cannibalism? The bits about angry mercenary dwarfs who’ll work for anyone for a gold fix?

            I get it, you’re mad because the thing you’re used to has dramatically changed. But back off with the pathetic mud slinging, it’s dull and flawed.

          • Евгения Ремезова

            Moral Dilemmas. Ha-Ha-Ha. You know, for a person who’s been raised on “Silmarillion”, AoS’s so called “dilemmas” are laughable.

          • Fungrim

            I was raised on X-Files and Nine Inch Nails, but there you go.

          • Il Produttore Signor Brandolin

            So, think, the original warhammer was inspired by classical horror movies, ’70s and ’80s heavy metal music and fantasy like moorcrok, howard and tolkien
            if you can’t mind the gap…..

          • Shardak

            Will the Bloodface Nounverbers defeat the Stormlimb Nounverbers and massacre the villagers or will the Stormlimb Nounverbers massacre the villagers first?

          • Il Produttore Signor Brandolin

            Nope

        • Bran D

          The first pic is of the new sport gaining popularity in the realms…Khorgorath surfing!

  • blackbloodshaman

    I hardly think it requires a whole league to learn age of sigmar

    • Malky

      The rules should be printed on thick, laminated cardboard.

  • Brian Griffith

    Didn’t we hear rumors not long after Age of Sigmar was out that there was a plan to have multiple modes of play, with the staredown place-your-dudes one in the initial pamphlet being just one?

    I don’t know if the renewed social media/community focus was planned at that point, but this seems to be exactly what people were talking about in those rumors.

    I’ll grant that this might just be the stopped clock’s time of day to be right, though.

  • ButtKrak

    Oh who cares… they tried with AoS, they failed. Dump the whole thing, bring back fantasy and lets move on

    • Malky

      I think it would be great if they brought fantasy back just so I could see the posts from guys who were ‘loving’ rebasing their entire armies to round bases getting extra joy as they ‘love’ rebasing their armies back to square bases.

      • eldarconvert .

        dude who actually rebased there collections? what a complete waste of time as 9th age exists

        • Malky

          I know, I found it hard to believe too but these people exist.

          • Mr.Fister

            Round is sexy my friend…no body gets off on 90°

  • standardleft

    yay!

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    • NovaeVox

      Sigmar sends his Stomcast Eternals to wrest the realm of Cold Stone from the malignant designs of Chaos. However, the Stormcast soon discover the realm has a powerful guardian beast. Be it friend… Or foe?

      http://ravenjanedoh.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/staypuft.jpg

      • NovaeVox

        In the grim derpness of AoS fanfic there is only Zuul.

        • Bran D

          Are you the Gatekeeper?

  • bobrunnicles

    Wounds is a horrible, horrible way to balance things though. Why not use, I dunno, the SCGT point system (since that seems pretty solid and is possibly the basis for GWs own scheme) to get things started until you get the official GW points?

  • Richard Mitchell

    Its a good article but my god you can’t title articles “Getting Excited for Age of Sigmar”. Its comes off as desperate and used sales car man pitchy. Don’t get me wrong, great article, poor choice of words for the title.