Did GW Finally Break The Game With This FAQ?

 

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Did GW just break the game with their new rules for Drop Pods in the Space Marine FAQ? We take a closer look at the latest rulings from Nottingham.

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Podcast:

This week we discuss the new GW FAQ. Did drops just become OP? The FAQ discussion starts at 20:48. One caveat though folks, this Isn’t the way to play pods or even conduct yourself on the tabletop. This discussions is strictly to show what “the f***ing guy can and will try to do with the new FAQ. Arm yourself with the facts, not hate.

Did GW Finally Break 40k? – Long War Podcast Episode 55

Section 1 : Intros/banter
Section 2: Table top market place 1:29
Section 3 : The FAQ discussion starts at 20:48

Video:

The FAQ discussion starts at 20:48

  • UnLachy

    Gosh darn you and your tricky pod cast links

  • Parthis

    … [PODCAST]

  • silashand

    gonna just start ignoring all posts by these people. If I wanted to listen to the d*** podcast I’d go there.

  • Grafton Is Dust

    “If the title is a question, the answer is, ‘no.'”

  • Josh Watkins

    ya… the drop pods did it… not that 6th ed Eldar spam-star… that could never have been broken right?

    • ZeeLobby

      Wave serpents. That was when we thought it couldn’t possibly get any worse… Then it did.

  • JP

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NO. Eldar 7th edition codex did that.

    • Davor Mackovic

      No people who need to win with plastic toy soldiers did.
      It’s like saying guns kill. No they don’t. It’s people who kill and it’s people who will find every thing they can do to win with plastic to soldiers.

      • JP

        That doesn’t make GW any less guilty for enabling them.

        • Xodis

          Very True, the dealer is just as responsible for his drug, as the customers he hurts.

          • georgelabour

            Not if the drug is appropriately licensed and the end user uses it in a way it was not meant to despite manufacturer’s statements and or warning.

            Especially when said drug is acquired through illegal channels.

            In this case GW does have a rule that the game is meant for a fun time with your mates thus clearing them of responsibility for the juvenile nature of some misanthropes.

          • benn grimm

            So scatter laser bikes are in the codex, but not supposed to be used?

          • georgelabour

            Looking back over what I wrote I don’t see the words scatter or lester being used in my statement.

            So, I think you sent that question to the wrong guy.

          • JP

            As long as they’re not spammed. A few of them isn’t bad. Twenty scatterbikes proves you have no conscience.
            Codex Eldar Craftworlds: $49.50

            Digital Camera: $89.99

            The Expression on my brother’s face as I explain the advantages the new Eldar Codex has: PRICELESS.

          • Chris. K Cook

            Badwrongfun!

          • Xodis

            Licensing a drug requires lots of testing….do you think GW did much testing? lol

          • georgelabour

            When you end your attempt at an opinion with LOL you turn it from something potential useful into yet another pointless spew of impotent internet whinging.

            On the bright side there wasn’t any chance of your words actually being useful so you didn’t actually ruin anything. Silver linings eh amigo?

            =^.^=

          • Xodis

            Actually its commonly used to mean “im joking” sorry you missed the humor train, better luck next time.

          • georgelabour

            Just testing your humors there ol’ chap. LOL

          • daonemdt

            Dealer is reponsible but the user is still more responsible.

        • Spacefrisian

          GW expects peeps to be smarter, sadly some of us arent that smart.

          • JP

            If they expected people to be smarter, they wouldn’t keep selling hideously overpriced “collectors edition” books that aren’t worth anywhere close to what they’re priced at. No, they expect their customers to be oniomaniacs with abyssmal impulse control.

          • am1t

            I hope they do a Limited Edition Drop Pod – it comes with two sets of doors – allowing you to both model it closed AND open! … £100 …

            My impulsiveness will mean I buy eight

          • Chris. K Cook

            You mean the one that they already make?

          • am1t

            Yes but 1) It’s limited edition! Limited Edition dude! and 2) With the current drop pod can you have ALL the doors open and closed at the same time?! Thereby irritating your opponent and raising your 40K-WAAC-shenanigan-play to previously unheard of levels!!!!

            (Joking btw)

          • Chris. K Cook

            Value is subjective.

            How does the existence of Limited Edition stuff effect you?

          • JP

            ..

      • Drpx

        Drop pods don’t flip tables, people flip tables.

      • benn grimm

        Yeah and fully automatic assault rifles are for hunting deer… Guns kill, people kill, people kill with guns and if there isn’t one to hand they use something else. Like a knife. Or a spoon.

        Gw wrote a whole bunch of bad codexes this time round, the only way to really know that is to have used them alot, therefore if you’re new to the game, you don’t see the problem using a tonne of warp spiders, scat bikes and WK’s; you think you’re on to something good. Its only when you gain a bit of experience that you realise what awful cheesy horribleness you’ve inflicted both on yourself and others. For the fair price of two months wages and a whole bunch of your own time spent painting…

        • markdawg

          This is the reason GW gets hate. When you waste people’s time and money they get upset. Well said Benn. It’s Clobberin’ Time!

          • Shiwan8

            People tend to get attached to their things, especially the ones they put effort in. When GW messes with those things they indirectly mess with the person who poured his/her soul in them. So, really,they are inflicting this upon themselves.

            As a real world example of similarly seemingly insignificant thing would be the government just taking 10% tax increase for one year for no reason at all. A person with some savings would just shrug it off as a loss, but would be really pissed off still.
            Same thing with miniatures. It’s not like we need them to live but ffs it’s annoying when GW just nerfs the already mediocre or worse books while boosting the already broken ones.

        • ZeeLobby

          Haha. This is very true. My friend bought some of the new Eldar goodness. Loaded it up. And now no one will play him, lol.

      • Grafton Is Dust

        You can commit a killing spree far easier with a gun than a knife.

        You can smash faces far easier with Codex: Eldar than Codex: Adepta Sororitas.

    • dave long island

      Impressive. Most impressive.

  • minowaman

    Playing any GW game and whining about balance is like jumping in a pool and then complaining about all the water.

    • georgelabour

      What if the pool was empty.

      OOOO, or contained razor blades and fire!

      • daNNux

        Then you are playing AoS!

        • ZeeLobby

          LOL!

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        The pool itself is decorated with lots and lots of skulls. Think of the biggest amount of skulls that would could possibly look good as siding then add 5000 and you’re half way there.

        • georgelabour

          You forgot that it’s either filled with the tears of martyred pilgrims that are kept pure thanks to the labor of 10,000 lobotomized servitor filtration units, and or blood.

  • I have a new policy: every time you disguise one of these as an “article” I find the video on YouTube and down vote it without watching it.

    And no, they didn’t break the game because no one who is worth playing has 35 drop pods, much less plays with them this way (if I’m guessing the topic correctly)

    • An_Enemy

      I’m guessing you’ve never played someone using Ragnar Blackmane’s drop pod force.

    • benn grimm

      Lol, sounds like a good tactic! 😉

    • Travis

      Excellent idea! I encourage more ppl to do this (I noticed that this particular video had more down votes than any of their others, so you’ve actually made an impact), I went ahead and went on a down vote rampage.

      It wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have to put up with Kenny Bullshate. If you’re reading this Kenny you’re not coming off as “street” you’re just coming off as a poser. Try talking to us as a real person (try watching some Frontline podcasts for inperation), and you might actually get up votes. You are insult to the community. Oh, and button you’re shirt for christ sake!

      • GulMek

        I hate baer more…. so glad he sold his store so i dont have to see post after post of how awesome everything is that gw does followed by another post explaining why it “BREAKS THE GAME!!!!” Skipping him and kenny at the same time is so satisfying

  • SilentPony

    I’m sorry, but you guys are like…jerks. Deliberately trying to break the game by being rule lawyers…woof.
    Way to such all the fun out of this game.

    • CMAngelos

      But but theyre all about “bringing the hobby back”! Or at least they say that all the time!

      I guess “bringing the hobby back” REALLY means a crap podcast, mediocre advice, and being the Internets voice of “I know I’m TFG and You Should be too!”

      • SilentPony

        It was the Blackmane 23 drop pod discussion that just…infuriated me.
        The idea that it would even occur to them to think, even for a second, GW intended you to be able to deploy 6″ from the tip of the edge of a drop pod, denying enemies from deploying within 3″ of the pedals because they’re vehicles, while other drop pods have their doors glue shut to deny line of sight, while Marines still deploy…
        Like I am damn sure there’s a line about drop pods HAVING to deploy all their pedals on the turn they arrive. It was only the Dreadnought pod that was exempt.

        • Shiwan8

          Look at the rule book. Or actually any official material with picks of actual game tables of just dioramas for the purpose of “cool”. I’m willing to bet that you will find exactly zero pictures with the pod doors shut if there were marines being deployed from the pod.

        • Spacefrisian

          True jerks would have gotten FW droppods and use both tricks, eg drop doors and prevent line of sight through the model.

          Iam a nice guy and let my opponents just go over the doorparts, but they cant shoot through the pod cause line of sight issues, thats in the rules.

          BTW: got my FW pods way before GW made them.

        • am1t

          I have eight drop pods in my Space Wolves force. (I thought that was a lot! 23 you say?

          I have always deployed from the pentagonal base. ‘Ignoring’ the doors for the purposes of other game mechanics (and mainly general fun).

          It is good to know, should hell freeze over and I enter a tournament, about all these WAAC shenanigans I can get up to …

      • Shiwan8

        We are speaking of people who claimed that the fix for CSM is that people play SW instead…

        • Chris. K Cook

          Wow, we actually agree about something.

          People who Proxy are the absolute worst.

  • Randy Randalman

    The answer: no.

  • If you read the original FAQ (the rule book) they didn’t change any aspect of the drop pod, they just pointed out how we have been using it wrong.

    • Ben_S

      Wasn’t it a change from previous FAQs?

    • markdawg

      The Drop pod FAQ is a bad idea and anyone that has played with them or against them know this the model is to big with the doors open. This harms and diminishes game play. The Line of sight trick with doors open or shut is silly but is not that bad.

      • Shiwan8

        How, exactly, compared to titans, deathstars, popular eldar units and new marine formations and psychic powers?

        • markdawg

          Have you ever played a guy that insists on opening the pedals of each drop pod? knocking over models impacting terrain. Now you want to add that the doors are part of the model and all other model must be 1 inch away? This is going to make for some ugly game play. It’s annoying.

          Are titans, deathstars, popular eldar units and new marine formations and psychic powers bad for the game absolutely.

          This drop pod issue effects the game on a mechanical level. Try to do the least amount of harm you can.

          • Shiwan8

            So, the foot print is bigger. So what? If the pod does not fit it does not fit. Better find a landing spot for it from somewhere else. How is this ugly? It’s just less efficient for the marine player.

          • Birger Vogt

            Well.. No, sadly. (Rules a written) The drop pod scatters and cannot get a mishap unless it scatters off the board (inertial guidance) And rules as written (and intended I would guess) it scatters with the doors closed. And what happens then if it can’t open all the doors? You can’t claim its a deepstrike mishap as it is allready done deepstriking. There are no rules for it, except that it would be illegal for the droppod to drop that one petal. Following this FAQ the best solution would then be to open the doors that can open. And leave the others closed. And then we will have problems with the huge footprint now being OBSEC, denying movement and granting a coversave to anyone shooting over one of the flower petals. & Marines can move off from the tip of a petal. (Not only can, but would have to!)

            I myself am just going to ignore this FAQ all together. Its not official yet anyway.

          • Shiwan8

            Why would the doors be open? We are finding out the end position, not the route it traveled to end up there.

            You put it on the table doors open and roll for scatter. Also you disembark like before, from the hull, not from the doors. Common sense, it’s that simple.

            The game has way bigger problems than a pod wall already and I suspect that there is more to come.

          • Birger Vogt

            Well no. Rules as written you cannot disembark from the hull (you kinda can becouse its open topped. But you can’t walk across the drop pod as part of the disembarking). And so you must do it from the door.
            And no, from the codex it says that it deepstrikes and then the doors pop open.

            My common sense tells me to just ignore the doors alltogether for all purposes. But my common sense is not your common sense.

            Sure you can make a houserule to land them with the leaves open. Though this change does mean that they will now scatter less. But you atleast have to be conesequent in how you treat the leaves. Either they count, or they don’t. And if they do. Well then you can deploy from them and they will hinder movement etc. I am against this interpretation. But if thats how you want it to be played.. I think an agreement with the opponent is best either way.

          • Shiwan8

            Open topped can disembark from any part of the hull.

            Ok, you drop the egg, open doors and if even one of the door is closer than 1″ to the enemy, is over the table edge or does not fit fully open then it mishaps. That is fine too.

            Either way the doors count as parts of the model now.

          • Shiwan8

            Raw < common sense.

      • I agree that the doors are a problem which is why they are ignored according to the ITC. However, they are part of the vehicle and the rules have always been that you can not put models on top of other models. The culture of ignoring the doors is an unspoken house rule that a lot of us have adapted. the problem that you bring up that the doors coming down and knocking over models an terrain would be fixed if the person accommodated for the doors when the deep struck in the first place. I play with drop pods pretty religiously so I totally get it and not looking forward to treating the doors are impassible pieces of a vehicle. Honestly, I am going to make sure my opponent is in agreement that we can all walk over the doors and that will continue to be my house rule.

  • Shiwan8

    Oh wow, the censure squad hit again. Let me be absolutely politically correct about this then if speaking like a normal person is not allowed.

    No, GW did not break the game with this thing. It broke it with Taudar back in 6th and repeatedly with tau, eldar and various marines, their supplements and some other things that just break the game in various ways. Before that there were GK, leafblower, lash princes and so on.

    The problem is that some people are deliberately twisting the rules and intentionally trying to find interpretations that in no way represent the blatantly obvious intent of the rule, just to gain advantage.

    There is a correct term for this but apparently it is hurting the feelings of those people who find themselves fitting under that term.

    • Chris. K Cook

      “speaking like a normal person is not allowed.”

      You should be fine then sparky! 😉

      • Shiwan8

        You and your projections.

    • Chris. K Cook

      “The problem is that some people are deliberately twisting the rules and intentionally trying to find interpretations that in no way represent the blatantly obvious intent of the rule, just to gain advantage.”

      People who try and make RAW vs RAI arguments just help us know who to avoid playing.

      • Shiwan8

        I agree. It helps to avoid WAACs like you.

  • happy_inquisitor

    A pointless podcast mostly about how if you ruthlessly model for advantage and abuse the rules to the maximum extent you can create an un-fun experience for your opponent. Well here is news for you, anyone who is a big enough jerk to try that nonsense is already zero fun to play against and always will be.

    • BlasterCA

      Yep, if someone tried to completely break the spirit if the game lije this, it’d happen once & once only. In most groups & even local areas anyway. After that, the army said person spent hundreds & hundreds of dollars on [if not 1000s!] would sit there as lonely & ignored as its owner. Word would quickly spread… & tfg & his unplayed against army would just be a punchline forever more.

      Seriously BOLS, get serious! At least get a life!! What you guys so often think is inciteful, newsworthy, pertinent or even just noteworthy is quite often mostly inane!!!

      Blaster was here…

  • Siph

    Answer: No.

    Move on to real hobby related stuff please…. PLEASE

  • zeno666

    No this didn’t break it. It was broken a long time ago already.

  • Soundwave

    I think I said all I needed to LAST WEEK. Guys, please. I know you read the comments because you delete half of them.

  • Soundwave

    Ugh… I think I said all I need to LAST WEEK. C’mon guys, please stop this. I know you read the comments because you delete half of them.

    • Aezeal

      This was actually the first time I did listen (i’m here to read stuff in 3-5 min not to waste half my day listening to unrehearsed whining which is also repetative) just becuase I knew that if they where going to talk about drop pods it had to be monumental whining (I mean saying GW put to low points on wraithknight .. sure.) and.. they proved me right

    • Chris. K Cook

      If they put [Podcast] in the headline, we’d know to avoid it if we don’t have time for or an interest in podcasts.

  • Unferth

    My blacklist on BOLS: Kenny Boucher, Stephen Fore, Rob Baer, Mike Haspil, Larry Vela

    • Aezeal

      So… what are you still doing here?

      (You know “how to train a dragon” and the “all of me” conversation?)

      • ZeeLobby

        I mean to be honest you never know what’s in a BoLS article until you click on it. You almost have to now as it ranges from useless drivel to surprise awesomeness.

        • Aezeal

          I agree, not sure how it’s a reply to this post though (seems more fitting as a reply to my other post)…. I just meant that he basicly said he blacklisted almost all BOLS posters so there is no real reason for him to be here 😀

          • ZeeLobby

            True. I guess I just click on a lot of their articles with false hope as well. As the titles always make them seem like articles or new things. Not just pointers to videos or reposting of already leaked news. And I Ave to say outside of that list are some very good posters here.

          • Soundwave

            That’s the problem though, there are a lot of good posters, and though some of us like you and me click a lot of the articles in hope, having so many of these annoying “surprises” damages any notion of consistency and means people will get put off giving them a chance: repeat, but infrequent, readers will be put off as odds are they’ll click on a trash can article like this; long term readers get annoyed that their voices are repeatedly ignored; passing through people will just think the site’s just a succession of press releases; and so on. It means all the hard work and engagement people like Pimpcron and GoatBoy go to get lost in an ocean of Rob Baer and Adam Harry promo-baiting.

    • markdawg

      Mike Haspil is a good dude you should cut him some slack the others not so much.

  • Admiral Raptor

    Finally??? The game has been broken for years.

  • am1t

    So a lot of negativity around this drop pod issue. One of the things that stood out for me is the ‘how you model it’ and blocking line of sight.

    So let us say ‘you’ are in an armoured vehicle with two exits (left and right); the right side being peppered with enemy small arms fire – would it not make sense to keep the right hatch closed and get out the left side?

    In the case of a drop pod having some of the ‘petals’ open or closed seems ok to me – the argument being it blocks line of sight FROM the enemy. Remember the reverse is also true: It block line of sight TO the enemy.

    If we arguing that ALL doors and hatches of vehicles etc have to be open for disembarking. Technically the vehicle would not block LOS because the enemy unit could claim – firing through the right hatch, through the left hatch and into the unit itself.

    This would be completely ridiculous if in a game your opponent tried to do this especially for a tank/transport vehicle. BUT apply this logic to a drop pod and nerd rage hits 11!

    • markdawg

      The smart play is to ignore GW on this one.

      • Shiwan8

        Or just use common sense because it actually leads to reasonable results.

      • am1t

        Use the FAQ or don’t use the FAQ. At the end of the day it is ‘your’ game. There is always controversy in this hobby of ours RAI vs RAW for example. But there is also a lot to be said about common sense as well.

        I am not sure If I have misread or misunderstood the issue. I am sure some fellow hobbyists will clarify it for me … hopefully in a reasonable manner (fingers crossed internet).

        Just read the doomsayer rhetoric ’40K broken’, listen to the rhetoric on the podcast – criticism but no real alternative or debate otherwise to make things better … Which sadly seems the norm for The Long War guys.

        • markdawg

          If your honest with yourself you know 40k has massive issues as a game it’s bloated outdated and way too complicated. What it excels at is letting the hobbyist put his own stamp on his/her army making it their own.

          • am1t

            Absolutely – take the best bits and leave the rubbish.

            But, I do think for competitive and tournament play this FAQ-ambiguity is the main cause of the frustration and anger arises.

            However, that being said – I am sure organizers FAQ their own rules – it is not a perfect standardized solution across 40K, but it is better than nothing.

    • Shiwan8

      Would it make sense that those marines on the right side of the pod are just lost because they could not deploy?

      This is one of those things you use common sense with.

      • am1t

        But then again common sense would suggest that you as a player would factor that RISK in before you deep strike a unit. That is the RISK of deep striking a unit.

        IMAGINE if you will the drop pod landed in ruins/rubble, and the building collapsed around it – preventing your marines from deploying; the doors just won’t open. Sadly for this game your unit is ‘lost’.

        • Shiwan8

          I’m fine with that.

        • But that doesn’t happen because of inertial guidance

      • am1t

        Another common sense issue – if you can not get out on the right – I guess you will get out on the left; and maybe you will just have to weather the oncoming fire.

        It is a game with an element of randomness, and maybe even luck. Sometimes things go your way, sometimes they don’t.

        • Shiwan8

          Look at the insides of the pod and explain to me how you just opt to use another door.

          • am1t

            Imagination ???

            The Emperors Finest; superhuman warriors created by the Emperor of mankind to destroy the enemies of humanity be it heretic, xenos, or demon. Fearless warriors all!

            They battle across the multitude of war-zones in the galaxy and even in the cold endless void of space … Only to be undone by their inability to clamber over a central console in the drop pod model to exit a via a door …

            Oh Emperor Save Us!

          • Shiwan8

            Look at the harness. It’s not like it’s made like safety belts we now have in cars.

            Nope, the marine would be out of the fight there.

          • am1t

            Agreed the model does not make any real world sense. Looks lovely though.

          • am1t

            No but seriously I get your point. Technically the model is nice but is not ‘real world’ sensible (?).

            Look at the Rhino or Landraider for example … GW seriously expect me to believe I can fit 16 models with bases in an LRC? Or even ten models with bases in a Rhino?

            Sometimes you just have to play the game and suspend your disbelief.

          • Shiwan8

            Tanks in 40k are not proper scale. There is no news there. Obviously you do not count the bases of those models though…

    • Chris. K Cook

      Drop podfs don’t work like that though when they hit the dirt all the door blow automatically at the command of the machine spirit/ This is why they are open topped.

      WAAC harder dude.

      • am1t

        The issue I raised in my post was with regards to blocking LOS and disembarking. Not whether a vehicle is open topped. That is irrelevant. I can not say to my opponent that his unit of ork boyz hiding behind their trukk gets no cover save / or blocks LOS just because the vehicle is open-topped.

        Now what if in the situation your drop lands near terrain etc and some of the doors can open and others can not, I think Shiwan8 highlighted the issue – do you disembark from the doors that are open? Since all the doors are not open – do you lose the entire unit? For the doors that are not/ can not open – would they block LOS.

        A suggestion I put forward: disembarkation from the measured from pentagonal base and from open door(s) / door(s) that are unable to open may block LOS – WYSIWYG / once doors open – they have no further effect in the game e.g. terrain or enemy model etc / if unable to open any doors or disembark – lose the unit.

        You said ‘WAAC harder dude’ – I disagree. I think I have made an attempt to look at the situation with a common sense and measured approach. What was your solution?

  • SundaySilence

    The times I have used drop pods are few but when I have used them; I play it that the door/ramps aren’t part of the vehicle and can be freely moved round or over. The drop pod is the main body and I did all my disembarks from the hull and not the tips of the doors. Granted; I never won many of those games but it made sense to me and I didn’t feel douchy for it.

  • GAZNZ

    Quite simple really if your doors are up you cannot shoot your storm bolter or missle launcher as it is inside and it has no LOS
    so you can have either
    LOS blocking
    or
    use your weapon inside
    tactical use of drop pod

    but in saying that there is no rule stating doors drop on turn they land or if you can open and close doors all game

    • Shiwan8

      There is no rule that a tank actually touches ground while it moves. Does that make it skip terrain tests just because there is no rule saying it has to be in terrain it goes over to reach some other point on the table?

      Why does everything have to be as much nonsense as it can possibly be just for some people getting more power for units/factions?

  • benn grimm

    Not sure about that one, guns are pretty efficient and easy to use. The truth is, whilst spoons and hands have multiple other uses, guns are designed with a sole purpose; to kill and to intimidate as a result of that purpose.

    When a codex is better than several other codexes and the player is unaware of this; are they acting like a dick by using the codex they like the look of? When every unit entry is better than several other codexes choices; is the fault with the player or the creator?

    People who get their kicks by exploiting badly written rules are not hard to identify and if you’ve been in hobby any time at all, you realise who they are and avoid them.

    The problem is all of the people who are brought into a hobby, then bombarded with cheesy releases and promotion for cheesy releases, so that they think that’s what the game is all about, one-upping with the latest powerful release. These are units(cards) that don’t even require combos to unlock the power; they’re just broken in of themselves (scat bikes, broadsides with formation, wraithknights, demi company etc etc) This follows trends towards powergaming in areas outside wargames and suits gw well. They don’t have to write tight balanced rules, they just release a super robot with all the guns and they know it will sell, cause they make it a no-brainer with it’s rules; yeah, your new not-quite-chaos-one can have two super gatling guns; is it balanced? who cares you just bought two kits to get the guns…

    It also irritates me highly the idea that the community polices itself; so I should second guess what some-one I’ve never met thinks is an acceptable purchase for my army before I buy it? Years ago I was considering doing an all assault marine army ( I know laughable now) the guy in the store said to me; ‘y’know that probably wouldn’t be very fun to play against…’ we chatted a bit and I went for something else. Do you think that happens nowadays?

    I was in a gw last year where I overheard a guy asking if three Wraithknights and the rest of the army jetbikes would be a good army for him to buy; the staffer practically fell over himself to sell him this monstrosity; ‘yeah, think of how awesome that would be…’ So this kid thinks hes bought into something awesome; what he doesn’t realise is hes actually just spent two months DISPOSABLE (good catch there ;)) income on what amounts to a real social/intellectual headache when s/he discovers people who actually play the game at some point.