40K BREAKING: Eldrad Predicts the End Times

 

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Eldrad Ulthran just issued an ominous prediction of the Grimdark’s future – come see Warhammer 40,000 fans!

Th GW Facebook page just put up this 40K teaser and it ties together a lot of the recent rumors and mini images we have seen:

Eldrad Rhana Dandra

Breaking it Down:

Like Ghouls in the Dark, the wicked ones gather, drawn to a Tragedy Unfolding.

That sounds a lot like a reference to the Dark Eldar to me.

Warning twice-given across the span of time, Stifled by pride and Hatred.

This could still be the Dark Eldar, or perhaps mankind, Eldrad did warn of the Heresy after all…

The strands of fate shall grow taut at the dawn of the Rhana Dandra.

Everyone hold onto your hat – Eldar has officially called the Rhana Dandra – the Eldar “Great Final Battle Against Chaos”

The death of all Eldar looms large, but fate can be twisted, even broken.

All of this seems to tie into the plan of Ynnead the new Eldar god of the Dead,and the Harlequin’s great trick to in a stroke destroy Slaanesh and save their race.

 

Here’s the previous teaser:

Eldrad Quote

Breaking it Down

So let’s take a look at exactly what we can glean from this teaser:

“All paths of fate have led us here”

Possibly a reference to Tzeentch involvement, or the actions of the Farseers themselves.

“We strike now not for vengeance but for a hope unknown until all others were lost”

Who knows, but I would think it’s an action that either is somehow tied to Ynnead the Eldar’s great hope against Slaanesh, or some other goal of striking against Chaos in a major way.

“The Black Watchmen will seek to bar us but we will not be denied”

A reference to the Deathwatch, or to the Black Legion as opponents – traditional Eldar enemies.

“Cegorach will laugh last and forever”

Clearly Harlequins are in the new Boxed Set.

“We make for Demensus”

Most likely the setting for the new campaign/expansion/etc…

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~The Eldar are up to something BIG, that could decide the fate of the Great Enemy! Start speculating in 3,2,1…GO!

 

 

 

 

  • CF

    Cool. Checking some of the other rumors concerning the contents of the DW / Eldar boxed game … interesting that Eldrad is with Harlequins. Unless this is just a jumping off point for more forces.

    I’m not up to date on the fluff but Eldrad is dead, correct?

    • Darth Bumbles

      He’s sort of “ret-conned”, he was dead, and then GW wound the clock back and made the 13th Black Crusade “coming” and not “passed”.

      • Zingbaby

        Right… and I am wrong in saying that he pretty always “predicts the end times”?

        • Darth Bumbles

          Eldrad stubs his toe: TIS THE END TIMES!!

    • Gideon Ernesto

      Yes and no. There is lot of foreshadowing that he will meet his fate soon in his current fluff.
      We know from the resolution of the old 13th Black Crusade campaign that he (almost definitely) dies at 999.999.M41 in the Space battle over Cadia. However that has been retconned. Not specifically, more in general ,insofar that we are not at that point in time yet. All current events are unfolding in the latter half of the 9th century M41.
      This quote for instance is issued 991M41 (Eldar Codex p. 33) and we know that Ultwe and Eldrad will go to battle around the Cadian Gate 999M41. So he might die all the same at the end of that year, no one knows. But we know that this stuff must be in the 8 year between that, probably leading up to Cadia.
      He might “be” dead, we are just not quite there yet… agian…
      Sound weird, buts that’s where we stand. I’d put money on it, because of the foreshadowing and Eldard’s (in fluff) old age, which entails crystallization.

      • AbesolutZERO

        Soo, Schrodinger’s Eldrad?

        • Gideon Ernesto

          exactly

      • Andrew Thomas

        you mean tenth.

        • Gideon Ernesto

          O yeah, you are right. My bad.

      • deris87

        We have no reason to think they’re going to follow the events of the EoT campaign. The End Times only followed the barest outline of Storm of Chaos, and in 40K the campaign books have already introduced new plot elements.

        • Gideon Ernesto

          I don’t think they will follow all of that. Especially the territorial results will go. But the attack on the Gate must come. There is soooo much leading up to it, and revolving around it. They can not leave that out. That would contradict so much that has been written, and would make a joke out of Abaddon.

          Yet I think Eldrad is gonna bite it. because of the foreshadowing in his 6th Ed codex entry.
          That is much weaker in his 7th Ed iteration, but that is also much shorter. We’ll see when they end 999M41. Look like this taking place before that.

          • deris87

            I wouldn’t rule it out, I’m just saying you can’t look at the EoT narrative and say “this must necessarily happen and happen the same way.”

          • Gideon Ernesto

            That why I didn’t say that. I would actually rule out that it happens in the same way. The retconn move would have made no sense then. I never said “the same way”. I specifically said that they will not repeat all of that.
            But there are just so many thing in so many books and novels that would make next to no sense, if they go off entirely.
            Currently only two old white dwarf articles, that old website (or its backup) and that one A4 Black library book are retconned. Nothing of the rest is touched, so far. Not even the EoT book itself,.

            But if you completely forgo the 13th, or turn it into something completely different then you invalidate thousands of author work hours. And you create huge contradictions, that are currently not there. Why would they do that? What could they get that would justify this?

            The 13th must come, it must hit the Gate, and it must use some of it’s gains form the other 12. Outcome, events, everything else is up in the air. But that skeleton plot needs to go down to not crate problems, and probably backlash.

            I’m not saying I know what they’ll do. But there is really no need to cut that part out entirely, especially because they specifically mentioned it in the last 4 years in several books. 7th Ed mentions the 13th and some specifics for instance. So that is basically a fixed date.

      • A.P.

        you could also read into what he says above as a means to change his own fate/demise as well as that of the galaxy.

        • Gideon Ernesto

          He is a Farseer, that path means you peruse the best strand of fate for your people, not for you personally.
          And he will die of crystallization soon enough anyways.

          I’m pretty sure that bit is specifically aimed at the Rahna Dandra.
          There is several powerful Eldar who peruse various ways to avoid the end. He is gonna go with one. Iyanna Arienal is following another. Maybe they’ll even have to face each other, who knows.

          But he has always been rather pro Human in the last years in BL, so fighting at the Gate would make lot of sense. On top of defending Ulthwe there.

  • Jonathan B.

    Will 40k get AoS’ed?
    Reply hazy try again – Tim Ulthuan, Eldrad’s little brother

    • Ni Modo

      If you mean streamlined rules? yes

      • Spacefrisian

        Less random stuff and often overlooked stuff (who remembers blind and knockdown?) also streamlines the game.

        Or merging rules like Berserk charge and rage or Prefferred enemy and hatred. Or any form of hunter.

        • Karru

          Indeed, one thing I will give AoS any day of the week, is that they make their “RNG” tables exceptionally well. You can roll or choose freely. RNG effects mostly belong to Orks. I also hope that they remove the current way Psychic powers work and would just go back to the way they did before 6th. A set of purchasable Psychic Powers, this way people might actually take something else for a change outside Divination or Telepathy. If no other changes are made to Psychic Powers, at the very least remove. The. Damn. Invisibility.

      • J Mad

        Thats not the same at all and you know it.

        • Karru

          Indeed, AoS was killing an entire game. The rules weren’t streamlined, they deleted all the rules and decided to make something new that had nothing similar to the old rules.

          If they were to streamline the rules, it would mostly mean going back to the time before 6th Edition. Special Rules part of the rulebook would be around 1 page long and make unique special rules in the codexes that, even if some of them would have the exact same effect on the units, they will never bring effects outside their own book. This would remove at least some Deathstars from the game.

          • Belechem

            No AoS took the game further, it purged the game from the rules-possessed players. Now, with point values for every unit in the Generals Handbook, AoS is more fun to play and much more fluent than WHFB ever was. And its much more tactical than it looks on the first glimpse.

          • Karru

            I will never understand people that say something like that. Why. Does. It. Matter. If. The. Game. Has. A. Lot. Of. Rules? WHFB 8th edition killed the game for me, but only because GW decided that it would be best for the game to have 50+ unit size as the standard and kill all monsters from the game. But beyond stupid decision on GW part, there were no BS rules like there are in 40k right now. Also AoS didn’t just “purge” the rules. It killed WHFB. AGE OF SIGMAR IS NOT WARHAMMER FANTASY BATTLES! The lore is not the same, the way the game is play is not the same and the feel of the game is not the same. My point is that when people say 40k is going to be AoS’d, they mean that GW will kill it. Not change it. They didn’t change WHFB, they removed it. You can play the old game with your old models but the game is no longer supported, so good luck getting new players. AoS has nothing similar outside the models any more, they are different games completely. People like me don’t want to lose official support for 40k and see it changed into something unrecognisable by removing 99% of the stuff that made it unique and interesting. I don’t care for the broken stuff, the rule bending and net-listing. I never face those, but if I wake up one day to realise that my favourite table top game is no longer supported, instead it is replaced with something completely different, then I will say my last good bye to GW.

          • J Mad

            That is what I was getting at, 40k will still be 40k, with rule changes, not entire game system/lore.

        • Ni Modo

          You’re just assuming

          • J Mad

            Assuming what? I said “steam line” isnt the same as total revamp.

  • uatu13

    Isn’t Eldrad dead?

    • vlad78

      Last i heard of him he got swallowed by a black fortress.

      But Archaon got his butt kicked hilarioulsy by Grimgor before this part got shaelessly erased, so we’ll probably witness another retcon.

      • Karru

        He died during the 13th Black Crusade. The current 40k time line is just before the start of the 13th Black Crusade. You can figure out the rest.

        • vlad78

          How much are you prepared to bet GW will not change how the 13th crusade went?

          • Karru

            They will flesh it out for sure, but ultimately I feel like the end result will be the same. Abaddon retreats to the Eye of Terror to plot his 14th Crusade while Imperium of Man licks its wounds. It will be a war on multiple fronts this time most likely. The Final Act in the Harlequin codex is the biggest key in all of this.

            It states that “a king stirs in his court of death and silence, preparing to rise once more”. This most likely is referencing to the Silent King of the Necrons, who realised the threat that Tyranids are for the galaxy. He seeks to unite the Dynasties to battle this great foe. In the Ghazkhull book, the great prophet has now started collecting his Great WAAAAGH! for Gork and Mork. He will face off against Ultramarines and Tau. Ahriman and this Cabal are going for the Black Library. Tzeentch is playing his little game with Space Wolves and Dark Angels. In other words, grab some popcorn and soda and get comfortable, we are going for a wild ride!

          • Karru

            There is also a chance that we just move the plot to the critical point. Basically the war is raging absolutely everywhere, armies clashing on all fronts. This way GW won’t need to squat all the old characters.

          • DJ860

            YES! Reading all of this happening concurrently reminds me why the setting is so interesting!

          • Karru

            Now we just have to hope it goes at least partially like this, instead of just SM fanfic convention.

        • Spacefrisian

          He more or less shattered into pieces like Khaine once did.

          Which is was a pretty nice story arc if you ask me

    • SonoftheMountain

      The kind of retconned out the Black 13th Crusade

      • Not quite. They just pushed it further back, and the “current” timeline hasn’t reached it yet.

        • vlad78

          Which doesn’t mean they won’t change it. The End Times totally retconned storm of chaos.

  • vlad78

    They ‘ll get rid of Slaanesh as a major chaos power just to get 40k in line with AOS .

    Slaanesh has always been awkward to sell to kids’ parents.

    • ragelion

      Er slaanesh is still a major power it is still in the fluff and has not changed so far. In the recent realm gate book a slaanesh chaos lord was the antagonist that wanted to “capture” neferata for “reasons”.

      • vlad78

        We’ll see. Imho GW is just probing how customers would react to a slow disappearance of Slannesh.

        Weakened in AOS and perhaps destroyed in the 40K end times?

        • zeno666

          Very likely

        • Spacefrisian

          Well if he gets destroyed in 40k there is no stopping the Eldar from destroying the Empire of man, cause they can go full on making more babies than.

        • bobrunnicles

          “Probing” and “Slaanesh” probably shouldn’t appear in the same sentence lol.

    • Gideon Ernesto

      No evil demon God of perversion toys for kids? Man, this world is going downhill fast, isn’t it?

      Seriously though. It would be sad to see that happen, not just for Emperors Children. It’s a very characterful and established aspect of chaos. And it’s making sense internally. PG 40k isn’t going to happen. So why start down that path? Many countries have a far greater problem with violence. And Catholic Space Nazis Dystopie isn’t really for kids either.

    • MightyOrang

      Because chainswords are easy but boobies are scary.

      • Andy Wise

        Good shout. There’s something wrong with the world when blood crazed slaughter maniacs are deemed suitable for kids but anything alluding to sex is not. OK granted the sex side of things is extreme. Not as extreme as the violence that is intrinsic to the game though…

  • Koen Cambré

    Woohoo!

    • vlad78

      Concerning GW, I would say greatest. (even though AOS as a whole is a firm contender)

  • Mr_Pickles

    As an Ork player, I’m ready to Waagh to the End. 40k could use a reset button.

    • Desmond Burke

      Mr. Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiickles!

      Mr. Pickles is EVOL!

    • vlad78

      40k End times would work much better than wfb.

      • zeno666

        It would be nice to see something actually HAPPEN in the “oh-so-great” 40k fluff.

  • Horus84cmd

    Hmmm cometh the hour of reckoning.

    I do wonder…are we seeing a ramp up to a “End Times” style event ala WFB in preparation for new edition? Albeit not the complete background overall WFB saw, since 40K just doesn’t need that.

    I hazard, instead of the “End Times Books” is 40K going to have a selection of “End Times Boxed Games” to tell the tale that shakes 40K up rules and move the story forward background wise. In addition could these boxed games be a “test bed” for various possible changes/approach to the 40K rules?

    • Desmond Burke

      That’s on par with what I’ve heard.

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Probably not so drastic. 40k actually sells.

      • Horus84cmd

        I won’t be shocked if a next edition of the 40K does overhaul the rules and a fundamental level and, equally, I won’t be shocked if it is just a tidy up. However, I’m leaning towards the former.

      • ZeeLobby

        Does it though? According to GW, AoS is selling well, but overall sales has dropped. Must have come from somewhere.

        • bobrunnicles

          40K is dead in my local area. Rules are too much of a mess right now with sources for army lists scattered across multiple books. It could definitely use a streamlining.

          • ZeeLobby

            Same around here. It definitely used to be a lot more popular then it is now. Our LGS has reduced GW stock in general, but is dropping 40K more than expected (know the manager).

  • Wasn’t this just posted before the weekend?

    • Horus84cmd

      No and Yes. No to the top bit, this was released on FB today by GW; and yes to the bottom bit this was release on the weekend on FB.

      Note the top panel mention part 1 of 5. So I’d guess we get a passage per day this week, until Saturdays reveal.

  • Wonderdog

    Sounds like a great way for GW to squat Slaneesh in the 40k universe the way they did in AoS. Trapped/destroyed/whatever by Eldrad and co. Moves the story forward a bit without going down the “turn off the golden throne and lets see what happens” path.

    • Andrew Long

      I dunno where this comes from, this killing of Slaanesh.
      ‘Squatting’ is simply ‘gone’. No fanfare. No mentions. No models. Retconned. Gone burgers.

      People say he’s not in AoS (Bols people in particular) and squatted. However Slaanesh has been repeatedly mentioned, and in most cases, has had models pictured in virtually every AoS publication since his ‘squatting’. The generals handbook released a week ago has Hosts of Slaanesh featured in the current Chaos Factions, not the compendium of armies in the back with Bretonnians, High Elves, Tomb Kings, old Chaos units etc.

      In 30k, his Emp Children are one of the most liked legions, with new models still on the way.

      Full disclosure, I own five Slaanesh armies. I really need this to not happen 🙂

      • Karru

        It’s most likely the case of “weakening” Slaanesh. This way they eliminate the need to make new models for him, especially daemons, since he is trapped/dead/weak. New rules and formations for current models can still be made and exist since technically he is not completely gone. They can use it as an excuse to pump out more Khorne stuff.

        • Andrew Long

          I can live with that quite happily.

          My hope (and some rumour mongers seemed to imply this recently) is that it’s leading to a big old reunion party where Slaanesh regains his throne with new models etc.

          • Karru

            The problem here is that if that were to happen then Eldar would be squatted. The whole plan is for the Eldar to save themselves one way or another from Slaanesh. Then again, Cegorach doesn’t really need to explain himself and spoiling his greatest act would not make anyone laugh!

  • Gideon Ernesto

    I think the word “End Times” should not be overrated.
    We have a time for that quote 991M41 (current Eldar Codex page 33). There it’s already specifiaclly called End Times. Which has been mentioned over and over in the fluff since 6th Ed. We know Eldrad will be fighting Chaos at the Cadian gate 999M41. All this gives us, is an 8 year time frame for the campaign.

    This is the beginning of the End Times. The Imperium will not fall within mere decades. This is not just one little world like in WFB. They could jump 50 or 100 years into M42 and the Imperium will not have entirely collapsed, probably. The “Age of The Imperium” was more than 9,000 years, why would the “End Times” epoch be so short that it fits in 5 books like in WFB. 40k is fine, its profitable so its fine. And it’s not written into a corner, so it’s fine.

    I think one reasons why they never went on is that it would technically be 41k in M42. Another is that there is so much to explore in these 9,000years. This time frame shows, compared to Eldrad’s itinerary, that they are doing just that in this book. Bulking out M41. This is just another leading up to Cadia story.

    • Karru

      I am more concerned about the fate of certain armies thanks to this. As we all know, GW likes to make Sisters cannon fodder. They might just squat Sisters completely. We will see, but things will get nice and interesting.

      • Gideon Ernesto

        I believe. Plastic sisters are coming. They even did Mechanicus, Deathwatch and Geanstealer Cults. Fear not.

    • vlad78

      Destroy Terra and shut the Astronomicon down and the Imperium will disappear overnight. Without any mean to cross the warp, humanity will be lost in the stars just like it happened during old night.

      • Gideon Ernesto

        That’s why GW will not do that in the foreseeable future.
        And they need to get there first. The last march to Terra took Horus 20 years, with half the Imperium behind him. Abaddon hasn’t even got Cadia yet. The Imperium of today knows that Terra is everything, so they will sacrifice everything to hold it. All other Segmentums, and every system in Solar is expandable. They would call for for every fleet and army there is in the Galaxy. This hasty “counter crusade” would be the biggest in the Imperium had since the great one, and probably doom the Imperium all the same. But Abbadon would need to slog through all of that. That’s a job for many many decades.

    • TenDM

      Yeah. I think End Times is a really loaded term that’s taken way too literally. I mean as an event it means a really simple reboot and complete re-write of the rules. “The End Times” is just the label they used when they did it to WHFB.
      If they run an End Times event, which almost certainly wouldn’t be called The End Times, that doesn’t meant they’re copy and pasting the WHFB End Times event over to 40k.
      It could easily be a new chapter in the 40k history like the Horus Heresy. They could say ‘the 40k End Times even is a turning point in 40k history that’s going to play out over the next 5-10 years. Important things are going to happen, the community is going to be involved, but we’re not changing the rules, wiping out factions or breaking anything. When it’s over 40k will still exist and there won’t be a reboot’.

      The really rough part about fearing the End Times is that the edge of the apocalypse is the status quo for 40k. Every faction except maybe the Tau is on the edge of either destroying everything else in the universe or being destroyed.
      Eldar lore is built around the idea that it’s the apocalypse. The Tyranids are about to eat everything with their limitless numbers. The Orks are a solid leader away from smashing everything. The Necrons are about to wake up. Hell, the Horus Heresy was the end times for the Imperium.
      The end times are so deeply written into 40k’s DNA that when they wrote a way to play big, more fluff accurate battles they called them Apocalypse matches.

      This is being taken as a sign that GW are about to burn the game to the ground and piss on the ashes, but if you read just about anything they’ve written over the past 20 years you can draw a end times link.

      • Gideon Ernesto

        Jub, and they introduced the Idea that the End Times is just the next epoch in the 6th Ed. rulebook, after the “Age of The Imperium”.

        I think they’ll explore this new epoch soon (meaning in a couple of years).
        And I think it will keep the status quo. just shift the balance a little bit more against the Imperium. Up the stakes if you will.

  • Darth Bumbles

    Looks like we’re going to get the Runny Dandruff and then a change in the various Eldar codices to reflect that.
    Maybe next years “Beast Arises” will be RD and end with “fate averted” and only minor changes to five factions (Craftworlders, Harlequins, Daek Eldar, Chaos Marines and Chaos Dæmons)?

    • Shiwan8

      Now that the Eldar are getting the much needed buff I might consider starting an Eldar army.

      • Shawn

        Like Eldar need a buff? Isn’t that like going from one extreme to another Shiwan8? From the lowly no good CSM, to the top of the tier Eldar? Have you lost faith?! (Just be snarky Shiwan).

        • Shiwan8

          I seem to have reached the point in which my sarcasm is so advanced that people think that I’m serious.

          Honestly though, the Eldar codex is internally highest quality codex the game has. No bad units/combos and just a few broken ones out of which 25% is not broken without allies. Even marines with all their cheese fall short of that.

          • Shawn

            Yeah, I know. I had to face an all Ranged D weapon Eldar, in what was a CAD only tournament. Next time I’ll bring all Grav, lol!

          • Shiwan8

            I can imagine. In all honesty I do not think that was even as bad as it could have been for you. The book is full of valid options. As far as I can tell nothing in it is bad, some things are just a lot better than others.

          • gredert

            Yeah, I seldom lose with my Eldar, and I seldom use my 2 knights or my bikes. If you sit down and just decide on what to bring in a manner that allows you to counter any army with multiple of your units, you dont even need much in the way of D, I normally take the D Cannons but only so I can use the guardian formation. The book is damn near perfect, the worst thing to be said is what I can fit in 1850 haha

          • Shiwan8

            This is true.

          • Shawn

            No doubt. I would say the same goes for the Space Marine codex, with perhaps the exception of 1 or 2 units that I have trouble making work like the vanguard vets and assault marines. Otherwise, it’s a pretty solid codex, and the same goes for Angels of Death. Which reminds me, they should start doing those kind of productions for all factions. A soft cover supplement that people can buy to upgrade or play their army differently.

          • Shiwan8

            One of those 2 has a formation making them perfectly viable, just not optimal. 🙂

          • Shawn

            True enough. Maybe you could just use your CSM models and use the Space Marine Codex? Ha! Ultramarine rules and call them Black Legion? I think that would spook most, LOL.

          • Shiwan8

            That would be just playing marines with wrong models. So, no?

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Or you just execute sarcasm like an Oklahoma Prison.

          • Shiwan8

            Well, it’s like technology. If you present normal things to primitive people they very likely think that it’s magic.

            I am not familiar with the Oklahoma prison.

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Strange, the botched execution was national news.

          • Shiwan8

            I do not live there.

        • Ford

          Why does everybody always moan about CSM, at least they are playable, DE need a new codex more

          • ZeeLobby

            Both are… Just awful.

  • Karru

    I’m reeeeally hoping for this to be on the same scale and story style as was with the End Times, but do the Eye of Terror thing. Once it ends, no character squatting and basically retcon it. Unless GW wants to go bankrupt they won’t AoS 40k. Moving the lore forward is nice as long as they don’t use it as an excuse to make more Marines and kill every other character in game.

    Now. Speculation!

    Like Ghouls in the Dark, the wicked ones gather, drawn to a Tragedy Unfolding. – This is most likely just referencing Chaos Marines, more specifically those under the service of Tzeentch.

    Warning twice-given across the span of time, Stifled by pride and Hatred. – Referencing the “vision of the end times” that Eldrad has now seen twice. First time was Horus Heresy when he warned the Emperor about Horus.

    The strands of fate shall grow taut at the dawn of the Rhana Dandra. – Obvious line is obvious. The Eldar End Times are upon us.

    The death of all Eldar looms large, but fate can be twisted, even broken. – Again, obvious. Cegorach has a plan to trick Slaanesh to save the Eldar. This is pointed out in the Harlequin codex, in the Final Act chapter. This is most likely the “twisted” part, the “broken” could be a reference to the prophecy of Ynnead as a back up plan.

    I really don’t get why people say that Harlequins are the ones with the plan to trick Slaanesh. Go read the Final Act in the Harlequin codex. It clearly says that Cegorach is the one with the plan, it is his final act. The Harlequins are the ones helping to achieve it.

  • Mike Salamandrin

    “Like Ghouls in the Dark, the wicked ones gather, drawn to a Tragedy Unfolding.” The Tragedy sounds like the destruction of Fenris and the Gouls sound like the Thousand Sons and the Dark Angels.

  • Horus84cmd

    Just throwing this out there as an idea. What if 40K is pushed towards a whole new level of titanic war – a Horus Heresy level of destruction. What if part of the End Times is a, full circle, turn around and Chaos rises, the eye of terror grows and engulfs a even bigger chunk of the universe. Leaving Chaos the almost dominant force.

    As part of this tale, could it be, that god-like beings return to walk the universe and to lead a new crusade against Chaos. The Avatar of Khaine is reborn; the C’Tan shards start to reform; Ghazgkhull is empowered by the Waaagh he has gathered and Primarch once lost and thought dead shine beacon for all mankind to rally round!

    • Gideon Ernesto

      I don’t like all of those ideas, but I like the concept. I think they are going for something like that later in 8th Ed. After they told the new 13th Crusade story, which will be several campaign books. And they gonna drag that new HH style thing out even more than BL and FW do with the Heresy now.

      • Horus84cmd

        I’d hazard GW will want to go down the line of AOS and to extend the recent campagne boxes that have been released for 40K. We’ll see a move to a streamlined set of rules (not to the extent that AOS rules where redesigned) and then every few months we see background/mini-campagne books moving the story on ala the AOS the “Relam Gate Wars” books.

        I certainly don’t see a overhaul of the 40K mythos as it does not need it like WFB, to an extent, needed.

  • Darth Bumbles

    Ghouls in the Dark could be a reference to the Necrrons out in the Ghoul stars.

  • Heinz Fiction

    ” the Harlequin’s great trick to in a stroke destroy Slaanesh and save their race.”

    Yeah, reads like a plot to give 40k Slaneesh the Sigmar treating. Consider me unimpressed.

    • Horus84cmd

      Slaanesh is NOT gone in AOS. I repeat NOT GONE. Slaanesh is in the background and the story about Slaaneshs’ capture is being eked out with each main story book.

      The faction of Slaanesh is still listed under the main factions on the GW site, in the Destruction Group Faction book and in the in the Generals Handbook!

      SLAANESH IS NOT GONE!

      • rtheom

        Not gone, but the number of images depicting slaaneshi concepts has definitely declined in comparison to the other chaos gods, and it was already pretty limited to begin with.

        They’re not going to completely remove Slaanesh, but they’re definitely downplaying him a lot. I suspect Slaanesh will remain but with a much changed emphasis.

        • Horus84cmd

          Lack of pictures is a way of emphasising Slaanesh’s disappearance and capture. I’m personally not reading too much into it.

          I’d agree, I can certainly see Slaanesh’s overall creed being shifted.

      • Emdee

        Slaanesh is going to morph into Ynnead. That’s the twist that’s going to save the Eldar. The Dark Eldar are going to be sacrificed to this end, reuniting the Eldar race……..just like the end times. AoS 40k is coming.

        • Nathaniel Wright

          I could honestly see that. Splitting Slaanesh into two aspects, one being Ynnead, the other being the Slaanesh of their new design.

  • Shiwan8

    Yay! Age of Emperor!

  • dave long island

    They may be dark but they’re still Coneheads. Coneheads > dark.

  • Dan Wilson

    Hmmmmm… very intrigued, if it is a supposed End Time for 40k… perfect time to move the plot forward, and for the new Edition to tread new ground. 1 of 5…. looking forward to more!

    • Loki Nahat

      you now its a setting thats been static for 30 years, don’t you? dont get your hopes up, its a setting, not a linear plot

  • humanas

    plz plz plz don’t make 40k AoS

    • Emdee

      Too late….its coming.

    • deris87

      Eh, I’m not a fan of AoS, but a similar simplification of the rules wouldn’t be as radical of a change for 40k as it was Fantasy. 40K is already a round-based skirmish game with less of an emphasis on tactics beyond target priority and list-building. I’ve thought for a while 40K could probably benefit from a ground-up reworking of some of the mechanics.

      • Mike X

        Watch they completely screw with us and make 50K units have square bases and we have to line them up just like how WFB played.

    • Admiral Raptor

      So you prefer your games slow, unbalanced, and un-fun? The AoS system is the best shot GW have of making 40k playable.

      • humanas

        I prefer my units to have points costs.

        • Horus84cmd

          You mean like every, currently available (and discontinued lines), unit has with the release of the Generals Handbook!

          • Karru

            The only problem there was the fact that someone, no names, SOMEONE forgot to add that to the list of stuff when AoS was released. It was like this someone realised that not every single player on the planet has the time to come up with a narrative and agree on rules every single time they play.

          • Horus84cmd

            True and on one level I agree. In this instance I’d minded to give GW the benefit of doubt that they planned the rollout of AOS, as it has been.

            I say this because, as despite what many voice say, GW have a long term of release schedule – generally set in stone about 6 months to a year head (they work of a five year rolling framework of releases). Also, I think GW wanted the input from a wide and broad gaming base (i.e. tournament and casual players) to what point values various units should have to help with internal balance across the game. Since they did not want everybody under the sun to know about the new release, to certain extent, they had to wait until AOS was on general sale. It is this latter point that I feel GW tripped up on and could have been handled better and should have got the Generals Handbook ready for release after no more than 6 months, not almost a year.

          • Karru

            Which is why I’d like if GW didn’t do that again. If GW released a nice 5th Ed. style book that was just the basics with 1-2 pages of special rules they would be okay. Then maybe within a year release Escalation and Stronghold Assault. That way the rules would be cut to at least 2/3 of what it is now in the main book and new players wouldn’t be so intimidated by it.

          • Horus84cmd

            I’d hazard they are going to handle 40K a lot differently. The release of AOS was something highlighted in the annual report that they learnt a lot from when tackling a dramatic system revision.

      • Karru

        I prefer my games to have multiple units that are different depending on the foe they face, more than 2 pages of rules that don’t need an entire book worth of house rules to even make playable and of course an actual need to think when you make an army.

        What I’d like to see to see brought over from AoS. The biggest thing would be Battalions and Keywords. AoS has succeeded in these like a god damn king. I was shocked to learn how much a single keyword can change your army, I take the Mark of Nurgle for my Chaos Warriors and boom, suddenly everything that effects Nurgle, affects them as well, and there is a lot. Formations in 40k are bad in every possible way. They are either extremely broken or utterly useless. Meanwhile AoS has small themed battalions that contain maybe 3-4 units that buff them a bit or give them something extremely fun and thematic rules.

        • Belechem

          Yes, you dont need any single house rule to play AoS. Not one.

          • Karru

            Then would you kindly tell me how it is fair to field 20 Goblins against 5 Ogres and give the Ogres Sudden Death rule? 2 pages of rules has so many holes in them that you have to make adjustments. How about the Undead summoning bs? That sounds completely fun and fair for both parties right? Yes, you can play it without house rules. Will it be fun? Hell no.

          • Belechem

            I think you are not up to date. In the generals handbook there are point values for every single unit and you have to pay for every model you plan to field. That includes summonable models/units which basically makes summoning rules as a kind of deep strike. Some exceptions are the transforming of fallen models to chaos spawns etc by some very few abilities.

          • Karru

            Ah, yes. The book that was released almost a year later than the actual game.

            General’s Handbook is the biggest reason why I want to try AoS out. I was talking about the time before General’s Handbook.
            If 40k players would have to wait almost a year after the new edition to get rules that balance out the game for just basic pick-up games, then GW will be in trouble.

          • Belechem

            🙂 I am waiting for balanced 40k rules since 3.5.

      • SeekingOne

        40k is absolutely playable. People in my gaming group have no issues playing a 1850-pts game in about 3 hours. A 1000-pts game can be played in under 2 hours – and is just as great and tactically-challenging as bigger formats. If that’s not playable for you, you probably should consider skirmish games with some 6-10 models per side…

  • GRex

    I’m guessing new edition with Eldar vs Chaos starter set.

  • MightyOrang

    Tragedy unfolding = current SW vs Imperium storyline?

  • Mach13

    So, Eldar are getting Squatted then.

    • Dan T

      That seems very unlikely

  • Michael Buttercrumbe

    Slaanesh getting squatted in 3…2…1

    • BaronSnakPak

      But then how else would they sell their stock of purple and pink paints?

      • Michael Buttercrumbe

        New boxes set of cheerleaders for Space Marines. The cheerleaders give you re rolls on your re rolls.

        • BaronSnakPak

          Cheerturions of the order Liftem Moralum.

      • JP

        GENESTEALERS!!!

  • gordon ashacker

    Whatever you do, don’t let GW AoS 40K……..

  • Eldrad Ulthran =/= Kysanduras

  • blackbloodshaman

    age of 40k here we come

  • Alistair Collins

    Wait… didn’t Eldrad die or was that retconned?
    Can’t keep a good Eldar down.

    • Sunny Side Up

      He’s about as dead as Superman in the new DC movies.

      • deris87

        Even less, since they rolled back the 40k timeline and now his death never even happened. Something similar might happen in this new event, but then I doubt he’d have gotten a plastic model.

  • Mike X

    “Like Ghouls in the Dark, the wicked ones gather, drawn to a Tragedy Unfolding.”

    Made me think of daemons drawn to the emotions of war, not Dark Eldar.

  • Admiral Raptor

    Come on Age of the Emperor! 40k needs a ground up re-write more than fantasy ever did.

    • Loki Nahat

      You must be new here, 40k needs this as much as it needed the console kiddies

  • SeekingOne

    Funnily enough, 40k background has a readily-available built-in way to officially kill Slaanesh… Ynnead with his birth will instantly turn 40k into a game suitable for kids.

  • Benderisgreat

    SHAKETH THOU THE BLACK BALL OF FORTUNE’S TELLING AND IT RESPONDETH: “Answer hazy, come back later.”

    • twincast

      SHAKEST*

      • Benderisgreat

        “All signs point to yes.”

  • David Queldroma

    I really hope Slaanesh will not disappear, I invested a lot of money in my army marines chaos Slaaneshi (with demons and all). look at my twiter @Queldroma i spent a lot of money on it. (it’s not fair)

  • Belechem

    Sounds like a campaign for killing Slaanesh, so that his NSFW God-followers can be taken off the store shelves.