40K Rumors: Inbound Primarchs Named

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One very very reliable rumormonger chimes in about Plastic Primarchs – both loyal and traitor!

This one is hot from the Rumor mill from the very accurate 75Hastings69 on 9-6-2016, commenting on the plastic Ahriman that has been doing the rounds.

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“Looks good, I’m looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now :D”

This is starting for form a pattern with the previous rumormongers who have chimed in:

via Sad Panda (8-25-2016)

“Rubric? Yes. Magnus? Yes.

Think these have been mentioned before.

Plastic daemon Angron? Not to my knowledge.

Next 40K plastic primarch after Magnus should be a loyal one (not Russ, not Prospero related).”

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Whoa – now that is a BOMBSHELL! That seems to contradict what Squiggly said yesterday:

via Squiggly (DISQUS) 8-24-2016

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We now have 3 rumormongers all aligning with talk of plastic Primarchs returning.  With both Hastings and Sad Panda saying the same thing (with contradictory details on Angron) I think we can say this is going to happen.  There may be small details or release orders that are out of sync but the main point of plastic Primarchs returning is probably happening.

 

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I want to believe… Also, where’s Fulgrim on that list?  He’s way too whacked out on warpdust to leave out of the fun and games!

Fulgrim

“I’m too sexy for my snake-body”

  • Ross Allan

    Gimme.

    That is all.

    • wibbling

      Seconded. It would be nice to see new Chaos plastics. I’d also hope for new greater daemons.

  • Graham Roden

    It would be great to see all of the surviving primarchs coming out, maybe have Corax first for the loyalists bringing the battered one handed Dorn with him. Introduce a story arc with Vulkan transferring some of his Power to regenerate guilliman then have The Khan and the Lion come roaring back to life before finally and with a huge explosion Russ following hot on the heels of Magnus. Traitors could get released in almost any given order, but Angron and Lorgar would be a decent first pairing.

    • vlad78

      As an imperial fist player, I have to aknowledge Dorn has been seen being killed by a hundred daggers in a dark tunnel in Konrad Kurze’s visions.
      Given those visions while incomplete were never contradicted in any parts of the known lore of 40k, I’m sad to say Dorn is more than probably dead.

      • benn grimm

        Poisoned wasn’t he?

        • vlad78

          The arbites haven’t rejected the hypothesis of a suicide either.

      • Will Frank

        So? Guilliman is clearly dead, but I’m willing to make a bet he’s going to return…

        • OldHat

          He is not dead. In stasis after being poisoned.

          • Will Frank

            IIRC, he had his throat slit. He was placed in stasis very shortly after his dead, and his body is in a shrine, regularly visited by pilgrims. And despite the stasis field, he is reportedly healing.

          • OldHat

            This dude survived battle in space without breathing for how long and a throat slit drops him? I thought it was some poison that laid him low, not just a basic wound.

        • vlad78

          Given the amount of classified knowledge lost during the siege of Terra when the data vaults of the administratum and the palace burned, Primarch physiology is quite a mystery.
          An apparently dead Guilliman has been placed within a stasis field after the heresy and the scourge. Some say his wounds have been slowly healing during the 10 millenias his body spent there.

          The stage is set for a resurrection.

          Dorn is a different matter. Another primarch whose divinating powers has never been at fault saw with clarity his death. The details are still unknown (especially concerning how his hand came to be recovered) and while nothing would prevent GW writers to make him come back his death is much more than a probability ATM, just like Ferrus Manus death is a certainty even if I wouldn’t be surprise if his consciousness downloaded somewhere else when Fulgrim beheaded him. (the energy escaping his body, we should remember he had necrontyr living metal over his arms..)

          But if you want to go that way, all of them could return.
          Sanguinius could be reborn into one of his children. Tzeench tried to convince the Blood Angels this had happened by faking such a reincarnation (blood angels trilogy)

          Ferrus manus mind could be somewhere else in the universe, inhabiting another body.

          Dorn could not be dead, just one handed (lol).

          Russ said he would return.
          Vulkan said the same and has been seen in the new “the beast must die” series.

          Corax just vanished.
          Guilliman and the Lion could just wake up.

  • shiwan

    So, maybe in 2 years time the game is playable with CSM again.

    • Walter Vining

      this guy

  • OolonColluphid

    How is Guilliman going to be walking and fighting among his brothers without being a Primach dreadnought/ Primach cyborg?

    Bringing back Russ without one of the SW characters becoming more Mary Sue than they already would be the only way out of their situation. I doubt he would approve of them scooping up mutants rather than killing them.

    • georgelabour

      Considering the weapons the wulfen are using were made back when Russ was alive and well I think your thinking may need more thought put into it. 😛

      • OolonColluphid

        Haven’t read the HH books for SW. The 13th Great Company however it the Death Company dumping ground for the wulfen.

        • georgelabour

          The bit about the wulfen equipment was actually in the curse of the wulfen novel, and the war zone fenris supplement. Even the grenade launchers were specifically meant for Wulfen.

          There’s also a few tidbits in Battle of the Fang, and prospero burns that Russ was aware of where the ‘wolves’ of Fenris came from but actively saw them as essential to his Legion.

          So IMO he’d probably not destroy them outright. Instead his return would likely be the Macguffin the wolves need to sort out the mess they’re left with at the end of the Curse of the Wulfen storyline.

          Preferably by round house kicking the Rock into a sun.

          • OolonColluphid

            Russ couldn’t even win against Lion, the Dark Angels ever or even Angeron without some help. So that Mary sue fantasy of them beating the Dark Angels(plus other chapters) is impossible.

          • georgelabour

            And none of that really does much to affect the matter of the Wulfen being a known element to Russ.

            One he was not only comfortable employing but considered part of a long term plan that would stretch into the millenia.

          • OolonColluphid

            Which pretty much failed. Including his poorly thought out “Sons of Russ” to keep the Traitors in the Eye of Terror. Having your own successor chapter defect to the Thousand Suns and Red Corsairs was pretty much a huge blender on his part.
            Also not to forgot that he also he didn’t question Horus’s orders that countermanded the Emperor’s.

          • Steve L Duelist

            Be interesting is Russ is back as a wulfen

          • OolonColluphid

            I don’t think Primarch’s can mutant. Unless he’s been messing with some Dark Ad Mech stuff.

          • georgelabour

            Sanguinius was a mutant.

            And the existence of the chaos primarchs also shows that where there’s a ruinous powered will, there’s a way.

          • OolonColluphid

            Not as much as the Wulfen are. It was either a flaw in the cloning process, something the Emperor did in purpose or radiation.

            The Eye of Terror doesn’t throw that out like a real Black Hole does. At best you get purple eyes or additional hand.

          • Andrew Thomas

            “Cloning.” That answers a lot of questions I didn’t have until just now.

          • euansmith

            Does the Emperor seem like the kind of guy who doesn’t keep back up copies of everything?

          • MPSwift

            He did… he gave it to Corax to help him rebuild the Raven Guard after Istvaan and the Alpha Legion stole it XD

          • euansmith

            Go! Go! Alpha Legion!

          • Andrew Thomas

            Was more referring to Oolon than to the canon. Besides, if He had, recovering the Primarchs would not have been a priority.

          • Emperor’s Champion

            I’d still say a set of wings is a fairly huge mutation of the body.

          • euansmith

            “Hey, Magus, long time no see, bro’. You look different. Are you using a new barber or… By the Emperor! You’re massive, blue, have one eye and wings!!! Have you been working out?”

          • Andrew

            Calling it now, Leman Russ is going to be a giant Werewolf, riding a wolf. With a Mr. Freeze cannon.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Ahem, that is “Murder skull frost cannon”.

          • euansmith

            I really can’t tell if you are joking. GW’s naming conventions roll right over Poe’s Law.

          • vlad78

            called wolfy the wolf ice cannon which turns everything which is not a wolf or a wulfen into Fenris ice.

          • Muninwing

            which is Ice-9 only not in name…

          • crcovar

            Legacy of Russ makes it seem like that is going to be the case.

          • georgelabour

            I’m unsure how any of that is relevant to the topic of his knowledge, and reaction to the Wulfen.

          • OolonColluphid

            Russ had no idea what he was doing compared to his more intelligent brothers. There was Wulfen among the Thousand Sons when Magnus attacked the fang.

          • Drew

            To be fair, Russ has been depicted in the Horus Heresy series as plenty intelligent- much more so than the “barbarian king” image would suggest. He’s not Vulkan, by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s not stupid.

            He’s also smart enough to know a raw deal (Chaos) when he sees it and avoid it- which makes him smarter on a practical level than the almost 50% (Alpharius MAYBE knows what he’s doing) of them that got turned into pawns of evil by their own hubris, petty jealousy, foolishness, and/or lack of foresight.

          • Bulvi Nightbane

            First there were no wulfen fighting for the Thousand Sons at the battle of the fang. The creatures that might be wulfen, as it is never said outright, fight for the Space Wolves. Second, as Drew pointed out, Russ is actually one of the more intelligent Primarchs. My favorite example is him winning at chess against Malcador. Only the likes of Vulkan, Ferrus, Guilliman, and Alpharius could be reasonably argued as more intelligent. Even then we cannot say with absolute certainty.

          • Sonic tooth

            i thought corax was supposed to be a brainiac

          • Bulvi Nightbane

            Very true. None of the Primarchs truly lack intelligence (well maybe Angron), some focus on it more than others. Plus some just lack common sense. Magnus, Mortarion, and the Lion have some issues with that.

          • Steve L Duelist

            Well the Wulfen seem noble and saine when not is a fight and around other space wolves, not as the as they are hinted as Khorn berserker like.

            As far as I understand Russ took the 13th with him when he left. perhaps using his limited physic powers, was able to the save the souls and minds of the wulfen and the cost of his own sainity, and became a full on wulfen primarch.

            His reaction would be RWAAaaaar and HOwLLLL

            been a sullen primacy is a bit poetic given their rivalry with the thousand sons, the change flesh curse of the thousand son battle zone Fernis with wulfen and given Magus is one of the other first wave primarchs

          • MPSwift

            Not quite, the 13th Company pursued the Thousand Sons into the Warp on Prospero while Russ didn’t leave for quite a while after that.

          • MPSwift

            Russ never wanted to split the Legion, he acquiesced to create a single successor, the Wolf Brothers, who failed and mutated badly. The whole Sons of Russ encircling the Eye of Terror thing happened much later during the time of the Battle of the Fang.

  • He said he’s looking forward to. He didn’t say they are coming. Or am I reading this not strong enough?

  • georgelabour

    The answer is as obvious as any other meme.

    They will be Alpharius.

    on Fenris.

    • MPSwift

      Bjorn is actually Alpharius :O

      • Jake

        if Bjorn is Alpharius, then Janus is Kaldor Draigo.

        • georgelabour

          Or is he Omegon pretending to be Alpharius pretending to be Janus?

          • Jake

            And I wouldve gotten away with it too! if it wasnt for you meddling astartes and your stupid space wolf!

  • Steve L Duelist

    I can get Russ being one of the first wave loyal primarchs, with the Wulfen being the heralds of the wolf time and the burning of Prospero box coming, to add more context to Russ vs Magnus. But why Guilllman?

    • Azhrarn

      Because Ultramarines? They are GWs poster boys, it’s not as if they would leave the UMs out of the Primarch party. 😛

      • Steve L Duelist

        I would say The Ravenguard are currently the poster boys of the codex SM with the Their fight against the Tau been the most resent memorable SM activity, most Angels of death formation are from that campaign and favor RG tacs, and the the kill team is covered in RG imagery

        Corax is only missing, and is a hide and seek master ( Luke sky walker got nothing on Corax). Be awesome if the tau release a new battle suit that is just killed by some “invisible ” force.

        • Raven Guard have also been the SM protagonists in the Kill Team box, and the Damocles box set.

    • georgelabour

      Possibly because he’s the only loyalist Primarch we have a confirmed location on.

      All the others are either very dead, very missing, or very Vulkan.

      • Steve L Duelist

        Pretty sure, Guillam is presumed dead by poison and body is preserved is stasis field, will romurs his wound healing while is a field where no time flows.

        Lion is the only primarch we know is alive (sleeping Beaty style) but that’s is only know to the Emperor, Luther, the watchers and the reader

        • georgelabour

          Fun fact. The Changeling meets a Watcher in the Warzone Fenris story colleciton.

          While he wasn’t exactly scared by it he also decided he wasn’t going down that particular hallway while it was standing there.

          Which I found kind of amusing.

          • Steve L Duelist

            Fear is such a useless special rule in 7th ed

        • Orblivion

          Technically Guilliman is still alive, IIRC the story goes that they placed him in stasis moments before he would have died.

        • datalas

          IIRC at the end of Angel Exterminatis (?) The iron hands captain is in status attached to some antique piece of dark age tech which had cured one of his bullet wounds.

          I always assumed that this was a reference to Gulliman and how he’d eventually return

          • Steve L Duelist

            Interesting, ultra marine stories seem to have been quite as of late, or am I deaf from the howling of wolves

          • datalas

            It’s not an ultrasmurf book, mostly it’s Iron Warriors and Emperor’s children during the early days of the Heresy, however there’s a ship of shattered legion chaps following them, the captain of which has been placed into stasis attached to a peculiar dark age belt which is healing his 4 (I think) boltgun wounds to his chest, several lampshades later, the guy looking at him counts the three holes in him and swears blind there used to be more.

            It’s been a while since I read it, but I took it to be a lampshaded retrofit to explain how Guiliman might be healing his wounds, either by showing it is at least possible to heal in stasis, or by inventing the tech which is helping him do so. There doesn’t seem to be any real reason for it plot wise.

          • Steve L Duelist

            sorry I was referring to M41 for UM activities, I think there was a starter box with orcs, but I cannot recall any major wars the UM are currently in to have Grandpapa smurf join in immidiatly when he wakes up

          • datalas

            I imagine that Papa Smurf would wake up and take great umbridge at the cult of the god emperor and probably wonder whether the golden throne had been used to imprison his perpetual father into not waking up and kicking the high lords bottom …

        • vlad78

          Technically Vulkan is also alive. He just can’t die and has been seen a few millenias after the heresy.

          • Steve L Duelist

            Yea Vulkan is alive but I and expecting a hunt for his Artefacts in a book series, box game , or supplement before He appears in M41 , like the wulfen for Russ

          • vlad78

            It could be in the 40k end times series. The salamanders found almost all of them and the latest salamander trilogy had not a very conclusive ending.

    • Bulvi Nightbane

      My own source at GW, who is very reliable, has told me that the new heresy boxed set will not be Prospero. It is still the Betrayal at Calth line. This time it is about the boarding actions in Calth’s orbit. That is why it is including breachers and jump troops. This makes sense to me. Also, by keeping on the Ultramarines and Word Bearers the models of the marines remain generic enough to be used and modified by anyone. The wolves and TSons are very unique in appearance and thus difficult to sell to anyone who does not play those legions. And before anyone claims that the plastic TSons sorcerer proves me wrong, it doesn’t. That could just as easily be a clampack or from a completely different boxed set for 40k.

      As for the primarchs, Russ set off to find a cure for the Emperor, but I think it would be cool if instead he found a way to heal Guilliman.

      • Steve L Duelist

        I can see your point on the generics but I am sure there where rumours and and hints on a prospero box earlier this summer

        • Bulvi Nightbane

          There are always rumors. We knew the 2nd set of 30k plastics was coming, but the only specific shared that was not complete guess work was the content list. That list in no way screamed Prospero, Space Wolves, or Thousand Sons. The units were basic like in the 1st box, and for me they suggested boarding action so much that my first guess was the battle of phall. I will see if I can find the article that was in.

  • Sonic tooth

    love to see interesting primarchs like sanguinius and corax but theyre dead sob sob… really dont care about papasmurf and heavy metal cheeseball wolfgod but id like to see the lion.. dying to know what magnus/angron will look like

    • DJ860

      Nah Corax could still be alive. In the typical “get out of jail free” way, he ran off into the eye.

      • Sonic tooth

        Maybe russ comes back as a butch nordic wonan called helga. “I had some stuff to work out guys”

  • JP
  • Anti-Gravity

    Ultramarines are the best chapter, and Roboute is the best Primarch. Everybody knows this and that’s why GW is doing him sooner rather than later because he is just the best and when he punched the Avatar and killed it, it’s because he is the strongest and best of all the primarchs and everybody knows this.

    • Andrew Webb

      By the Emperor I hope that is sarcasm……

    • DJ860

      Didn’t Calgar punch the avatar?

    • euansmith

      He is our spiritual liege.

      • MPSwift

        Is he trying to make Imperium Secundus great again? Is he going to build a wall around the 500 worlds and get the Eldar to pay for it? 😀

        • vlad78

          Eventually, yes. But it will be the orks who’ll pay for it. The eldars are like the french, only good at being bashed.

      • vlad78

        Make 40k great again.

  • Shawn

    No good, no good, unless Ferrus Manus makes a return! Arggghhh!

  • Is it just me or do these articles of yesterday get bumped to top for some reason?

    • MPSwift

      You’re not wrong.

  • benn grimm

    Loyalist primarchs would be a big mistake (Imo), let them rest in peace/exile/legend/stasis where they belong. Magnus, Angron, Fulgrim, Lorgar and Perturabo would make for a fantastic line of daemon primarchs though and would help differenciate between loyalists and traitors, as well as provide a much needed boost for the horned boys in black.

    • euansmith

      But, when the Emperor returns, he’s going to want to get the band back together.

    • OldHat

      I agree entirely. Really would push that grimdark End Times narrative that is the bread and butter of 40k. Daemon Primarchs would be a good excuse to release Legion-specific rules too, linked to the models to drive sales (I am a pragmatist). But I won’t be holding my breath.

  • pokemastercube .

    are we certain the plastic primarchs would be for 40K as FW have said in the past they have looked at doing them in plastic for HH

  • ZeeLobby

    I’m so confused. Hasn’t this been posted multiple times before?

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Short Term Memory Loss is a horrible disability.

      • ZeeLobby

        Not even sure if it’s them or me anymore. It’s like they’re trolling us.

  • MClay01

    Maybe if GW kills off/makes Slaanesh a side character in the universe plot, the Undivided primarch category can be filled by Alpharious(or Omegon) and a daemon sword wielding Fulgrim no longer bound by the whims of Slaanesh. This is just a guess. Although the great horned rat could mutate the emperor’s children and Fulcrum into his twisted pack of lab rat men but I doubt it.

  • Sayl Vittoria (SKULLTHRONE)

    I think the lack of Fulgrim is a hint that there is a massive Slaanesh wave for both 40k and AoS close (prob already done) IMO, i really hope so, really want to see more plastic Greater Daemons too!!

  • generalchaos34

    Im going out on a limb here and say that they might bring the Lion and Russ back for loyalist primarchs. At war zone Fenris you literally have 1 primarch already there in the form of a sleeping lion inside the rock. Russ coming back has already been hinted at. (I assume that he has been doing gigs in the eye of terror in his cover band “Wolftallica”) This would certainly allow for an Imperial victory and then you can super grimdark it up right after with having the 2 primarchs go to blows because the Lions boys nuked Fenris, creating a lot of animosity in the Imperium. As an added bonus, the DA were there to expose the Wolfs as traitors and mutants….what if their dark secret was exposed instead and they were the ones being persecuted? All kinds of cool ideas to keep it grim dark

    • Bulvi Nightbane

      The Dark Angels didn’t nuke Fenris. They were smart enough to not risk their ships in a fight with the Fang. They did basically firebomb the neighboring planet of midguardia. Also, the inquisition’s sympathies have shifted in the wolves favor and against the Dark Angels. This is because 1) the wolves rescued Stern and his grey knights, 2) a lord inquisitor observed how loyal the wulfen were to Ragnar, and 3) Stern discovered how the Dark Angels let themselves get manipulated by the changeling.

  • Nathaniel Wright

    It’s a ‘Larry takes a cheapshot at his least favorite god’ episode.

  • Julio Lenin Roman Martinez

    As a KD player, it makes me happy that 2017 will supposedly be a good year for 40k khorne (and Tzeentch too, it seems). But what about the other two gods? You know. The ones they almost never get any mention or new release (‘cept for Nurgle in End Times).

  • Muninwing

    i hate to be the guy who says “i’ll believe it when i see it” but…

  • mullgiunius

    Has it occurred to anyone else that if they do the Chaos primarch models right they could be sold to AoS players too?

    – big Khorne demon prince
    – big nurgle reaper thing
    – sort of Lord of Change one eyed weirdy

    Tellingly lines up that those three would come back and those are the only 3 Chaos powers in AoS too…

  • GiftoftheMagi

    Yeah can we please give Khrone and Nurgle a rest? Both have been seriously overdone in the last few years.

  • Andy Revell

    40K End Times?!? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! NO! I REFUSE!