GW: Traitor’s Hate Limited Edition

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Take a look at the latest CSM teaser from Nottingham on the Chaos Marines headed your way this weekend.

GW (Facebook) 9-1-2016

We had a sneak peek of the new Traitor’s Hate book last weekend, but for truly faithful servants of Chaos, there is also this impressively blasphemous version of the tome.

The Limited Edition Traitor’s Hate features all the content of the upcoming book, plus loads of extras.
You can pre-order yours in just two days time.

Traitor Hate Limited Edition

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Traitor's Hate Limited Edition

-Contains New Rules to Play alongside Codex: Chaos Space Marines
-New Tactical Objectives
-11 new Formations, a new Detatchment (Currently, Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter have 14 Combined, further below is a Box with a  new Formation from this Book)
-Lord of Skulls Datasheet
-Renegade Knights

-6 Metal Tactical Objective Markers
-Exclusively Designed Heretic Psychic Astartes Psychic Powers Psychic cards
-36 Tactical Objective Cards
-136 Pages of Rules and Narrative
-Double sided Campaign map
-185$

~Who’s putting down $185 for this bad boy?

 

 

  • shiwan

    I’d like to, but I will not support what can only be described as psychological assaut against CSM fans.

    • CMAngelos

      Wait what..?

      • shiwan

        I think it’s insulting towards the fan base to repeatedly release new stuff that is so bad that it might as well not exist.

        • CMAngelos

          Oh right, I forgot you somehow managed to get ahold of a full copy and read it already.

          You have no idea if it Sucks or not. So far the Psychic powers are mirrored versions of the new Marines powers, so writing it off as “it scucks because chaos” is ignorant until everyone knows what’s in it. Then you can say whether it sucks or not.

          • shiwan

            It’s based on a thing they can not fix with supplemental rules AND their supplemental rules, the ones they tried, are useless with one exception, the cabal. Even that is just a poor mans version of the conclave.

          • CMAngelos

            *shrugs* Hate it if you want. I’d rather reserve judgement until I see whats in it. But at this point I feel alot of CSM fans would Hate a new Codex that was top Tier because they got something slightly wrong somewhere.

          • shiwan

            I don’t hate it. It’s just a fact that it’s foundation is so poor that no matter how awesome this thing is it’s still not good enough. There is a reason why you do not build glorious mansions on waste dumps.

          • Xodis

            Its not about right or wrong, its about wasted space and a lack of rules even coming slightly close to the fluff. I personally dont want the CSM codex to be Eldar powerful or Tau efficient or whatever, I would rather see the pathetic units just made useful, and flavor (like Cult Terminators) re-introduced into the game, and I think many of these complaints are the same amung the CSM fans.

          • Karru

            Wait, are you saying that taking away everything fun, interesting and useful and making the book Codex: Cultists and Space Dinos “getting something slightly wrong”?

            I have mentioned this multiple times in the past. If the only way to get CSM interesting, fun and true to the fluff, I’ll gladly make it the most hated book in the game. As long as the book is interesting and at least 90% of the units in the book are useful and not just wasted points, I’ll take it since I’d finally be able to make a fun Black Legion army.

          • Aezeal

            A supplement can fix anything:
            New powerfull units could help.

            Even old units could become viable with new formations: Free units? Powerfull rules?

          • Karru

            Considering that this seems to include the Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter formations, my hopes aren’t high. I mean, yeah, Hatred (Space Marines) might sound fun as a rule for the formation, but the requirement will just be that all units have to have VotLW. Then there is the mighty Fearless rule for unit as long as the Fearless Lord is in it. Double Fearless, they’ll never see it coming!

          • Slite

            Its true. A formation where you take a Lord with MoN, or Typhus, and 2 Plague Marine units could also have anything else with MoN get Feel No Pain. Easy peasy Plague Terminators.

          • shiwan

            Costs too much and is not durable enough.

          • shiwan

            In theory but not the way GW does CSM supplements.

          • Aaron

            the whole book is too expensive, I would like some formations where I get free rules and or marks/icons like the marine decurion, or cadian detachment (which is semi competitive) eg: 8 units of 8 with the mark of khorne get it free (same with the other gods magic numbers) maybe k sons get shred with their ap3 bolters for taking units of 9 or 18?

          • Malisteen

            You can either look at the problems with the CSM book and realize they aren’t problems that will be fixed with supplemental bandaids, or you can go with experience, to see how the four supplements so far released for this book (2x crimson slaughter, 2x black legion) have failed to make the slightest difference.

            Either way, you can’t honestly pretend that this supplement is going to be any different.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            Why should the psychic powers be the same as the Angels of Death ones? That’s stupid, fluff and gameplay-wise. At that point, just play Space Marines and proxy them to look Chaos.

          • Karru

            We literally have the option of copying the SM powers and have powers that will see use or they make new ones that will be like the CSM power right now, useless.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            So there’s no third option for coming up with interesting and viable Chaos-themed powers? We just have to copy the Loyalists in order to be playable?

          • Karru

            In a mirror dimension maybe, but not in our reality. This is based on 9 years of experience with Chaos and GW design choices regarding them.

          • shiwan

            It’s not that they should but rather that they are.

            Playing marines with csm models does not make it csm.

          • Andrew Webb

            Much the same as people saying BA should play using SM rules.

          • shiwan

            Yeah, that’s not a solution either.

          • Andrew Webb

            Agree entirely. Both CSM and BA need serious reworking. As do DE and IG and Orks. GK too

          • shiwan

            Everything pre necron needs a total overhaul. Actually anything that has whole units taken from something before necrons needs a total overhaul.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            You see how that’s my exact point, right? GW is just saying “There’s no difference between Chaos Sorcerers and Astartes Librarians.” Giving them Geokinesis but calling it “Terra-fy” doesn’t actually make it Chaos.

          • shiwan

            If that’s your point then I agree.

          • eehaze

            It sucks because it’s a supplement to a codex that lacks cohesion or fair point values. GW’s CSM formations have been, so far, more about selling unpopular kits and less about making the army enjoyable to play.

          • Karru

            Indeed, all the formations that we got with Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter focused on the kits that they have hard time selling since they are either bad/old sculpts or the rules are abysmal.

        • wibbling

          Grow up. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it, just stop complaining that you haven’t an ‘auto win’ button.

          • shiwan

            I can not stop doing something I have not started to do. You can demand me to do so but it is impossible.

          • Karru

            I’ve seen Shiwan complain a lot here, he is like the opposite of the ultra GW fan that I can’t remember the name of. But when it comes to this release, I will accept that negativity. Everyone that has actually paid attention and followed EVERY single release that Chaos has had in the past have been just spitting in the face of CSM players. Especially the re-releases, that happened to come alongside the AoD book.

            I’m going to buy this book and pray to every single god there is that it won’t be another failure and spit to the face, but my hopes are not that high unfortunately.

            I don’t want an “I WIN Button”. I want a book that gives CSM fun options that reflects their power in the fluff. CSM should be terrifying, their armies feared by most of the Imperium. They should also include actual Chaos Space Marines, which the current book doesn’t really support since Cultists are far better for their points. I’m literally looking for a book that gives us the same fun AoD has given Space Marines. After just a glimpse of the rules I wanted to make a Raven Guard army, the army that is literally the weakest Space Marine chapter in the codex.

            Edit: Tweetle Beetle was his name if I remember correctly.

          • Brian Griffith

            Can’t really do that until the new codex (which should be after the edition change so it’s purpose-built for that iteration of the rules). Reason being we really do need a top-down re-pointing at a bare minimum, and either grav or some other special/heavy weapon added to the armory to put us at a minimum level of competitiveness.

            Supplements can be fun and open up new playstyles, but without a reevaluation of points values we’re still starting a leg behind.

            And then we have to listen to every other player whining about Chaos getting “free stuff” that we’ve already more than paid for in the units’ base point values.

            So I dunno. Might be some fun stuff in this but it really doesn’t address the fundamentals.

          • shiwan

            I’d like to point out that my disapproval has been aimed at 2 things: Power creep and the fact that only couple of marine codices, eldar and tau got to the intended level. It’s not that GW releases generally were not good. They are generally not good enough to make the game more about skill than unit selection.

    • wibbling

      Your post doesn’t make any sense.

      • shiwan

        What did you not understand?

    • Ben

      Ahhhhh…. Somebody needs their safe space….

      • shiwan

        Apparently. People seem to get offended when someone openly shows that he or she is not a part of their fan cult.

        • Ben

          Sarcasm is lost on you isn’t it…..use the power of the purse, if you don’t like something don’t buy it and quite your constant complaining.

          • shiwan

            Not really, but responding to it like I did lead to a result that is actually truthful.

            Do you see many not banboyish people who demanding that fanboys be quiet? I’ve yet to see one. Yet in almost every thread one or more fanboys demand that the people shut up if they dare to voice an opinion other than praise towards something that GW has done.

            It is the nature of the cult to try to smother anything that it does not agree with while the rest let the cult hold it’s beliefs as long as they are not dangerous.

          • Ben

            It’s a (fairly) free society we live in.. You have power of the purse as a consumer. Buy what you want, but don’t keep on raining down on people who might enjoy it. Everyone on the Internet has an opinion, and your CONSTANT complaints at GW (we get it, you don’t like them), is very old and very tired.

          • shiwan

            I’m not buying 40k stuff (well, I bought in to the DW for the cool factor but not in other ways). I’m not buying this campaign book either because…well…why would I? It’s not like it’s going to do any good for the game either way.

            Look, I get it, you are a fan and it annoys and/or offends you that I dare to speak my mind that is not positively inclined towards low quality gaming products that you love. That’s ok. That being said I’m not in charge of your or any other readers emotions so, really, if my opinion hurts your feelings it’s not my fault. Especially when you have literally no connection to my opinion concerning GWs products.
            Try to live with the fact that some people bother to speak their mind even when you do not agree with them. Your life will be a lot better when you accept the that there are different opinions and that it is ok to have a differing opinion.

            OR, you could just not read what I write?

            If that fails, here’s an idea. Go to the right side of one of my posts and search a “button” that let’s you block me. That’s perfectly ok. I’ve blocked couple of trolls that specifically targeted me. Now there’s a lot less useless chaff on my view when I read the comments on this site.

            So, if my opinions bother you by all means do what you see as the right thing to do for you.

            Now, if none of these are acceptable to you and you insist on reading what I write any kind of emotional duress you end up suffering is on you and blaming me for it is nothing but running from the responsibility on your part.

          • Ben

            Son, it annoys me you come onto a website that caters to fans of GW, and bash the company over and over and over again.. It’s tiresome. YOU are the one in emotional distress. Why come to a website that caters to a company you hate? Why waste your emotional energy?

            I’d love to not read what you write if you weren’t spamming it everywhere. Do you not have a job, girlfriend, etc outside of posting on BOLS 24/7?

            You can have an opinion, but you act like it’s set in stone fact. It’s not. Your butthurt that GW doesn’t call you up to run the company and your general immaturity gets tiresome. Seriously, go find something better to do with your time.

          • shiwan

            We are related?

            I’m being objective with what GW is doing. They have done a poor job with pretty much everything during 6th and 7th edition. DW is cool, no denying that, but almost everything else is pretty bad. That’s just the way it is rules wise. The balance is terrible no matter how you look at it.
            The models on the other hand are pretty awesome as far as the new stuff goes.

            Speaking the truth does not cause distress to me. I like facts, logic and statistics. It’s not hate, it’s honesty. You are the one complaining here. 😂

            But, I can see that you do not want to work with facts, logic and such but rather focus on emotional outbursts so I’ll skip the rest of your rage. Have a nice day and consider what I said previously.

          • Ben

            Checks number of Shiwans posts complaining about GW…. Odd for all evidence to the countrary your the one with the outbursts.
            Trolls going to be trolls I guess. Enjoy your weekend.

          • shiwan

            Meh. Out of the 2 of us I’m not the one demanding censure and using shaming tactics. You could at least take the responsibility for your own actions.

          • Ben

            Wtf are you taking about? The only thing I’m asking is that stop being a negative a-hole and let people find some enjoyment with GW without you CONSTANTLY telling people how they are wrong and your right. Hubris arrogance and general douchebaggerg are your friends

          • shiwan

            And there you go again. I have literally no power over your feelings and here you are trying to shame me into silence while accusing me of getting you upset. I can not influence your state of mind from this distance. You are doing it to yourself.

            Calm down and go enjoy the hobby. I’m not stopping you.

          • Ben

            Shame you into silence, oh vey….

            Let me guess… Your a millennial…. Go enjoy your safe space and Sanders rallies

          • shiwan

            I’m not but you are acting like one.

          • Ben

            Sure you aren’t son…. Keep trolling on

          • shiwan

            Riiight….

  • Lee Williams

    meh

  • Solidus

    GW just needs to give it up and let Fantasy Flight handle their rules. They’ve already made it clear that profits and being a ‘modeling’ company is more important to them, so why not let the people that are good at it do it and reap the profits?

    It would bring back legions of players that left because they were fed up with the BS.

    • OldHat

      Oh man, FFG would just be fantastic. And they actually do comprehensive playtesting and are very in touch with the game and its balance after releases.

    • Xodis

      In the past 6 months they have actually shown that rules matter to them and have done a great job showing this, even with the controversial AoS gaming system. This is probably something planned for 7e that needs to get released before everything starts getting converted to 8e.

      • shiwan

        I’ve missed this. The AoS fix was done by a 3rd party and the bad codices are still bad.

        • Xodis

          I still can’t find anything that stated that the GH was a directly copied comp, regardless, even if GW adopted it from the users…how does that make it any less of GW showing they are moving forward in balancing their games by accepting player opinions?
          DW is the only codex we have released this year until the Khorne books is released (as far as I remember), and its still released as a compatible product to the broken 7e of 40K, so is it a fail on the new directions of codex writing or a fail on the base 7e rule system?

          • shiwan

            I don’t think that DW is a fail. All the broken things and all the useless things are the fails and as far as we can see nothing suggests that GW is balancing things out. If they aimed at that we’d have eldar, marines and tau nerfed while all of the old style codices would be brought up to speed.

          • Xodis

            How would you even nerf those? It would take a complete codex release to even get started, no FaQ would be sufficient IMO. Why would you even want that prior to the new 8e release either, thats just asking for more wonkiness.

          • shiwan

            Couple of things would be making flicker jump a 4++, doubling the cost of scatterbikes and making the WK t7. Just an example, these alone will not fix the game.

          • Xodis

            Thats my point, 7e plus all the variances in codex power cant be fixed with FaQs. Time to wipe the board and start over IMO. Hopefully thats what GW is doing, of course they need to get all of the rest of the 7e material out there first.

          • shiwan

            I’m all for kicking the 40k bucket and going for 2.0.

  • Ezekyle Abaddon

    Ill be dropping that Easily .

    LET THE GALAXY BURN

    Your puny imperium fear many things, they fear the death of their false emperor because his demise mean the end of all that they know , they fear the taint that lurks in their souls because chaos is a power only few can master, they fear the alien for whom they have no understanding, they fear the daemons of the warp because their faith is falling but even more so then all of these they fear the Warmaster because the wrath of his vengeance is second to none. https://youtu.be/38bgT0FdgLU LET THE GALAXY BURN!

    • shiwan

      So, let the CSM run face firs in to a loyalist fist yet again?

    • RS TROUT

      DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!

      FOR THE WAR-MASTER!

  • Seismic Ghost

    Yep. As a previous Chaos (and 40k) player, I’m not even curious about what’s in this, because it either:
    a) will not be good, or
    b) will be so good that it breaks the game further for everybody.

    The sky fell about a year ago.

    • nurglitch

      The Long War has taken its toll on the weak of will.

      • shiwan

        There’s a point in which each of us realizes that we have been abused. Some people wake up to that reality later than others. What’s your reason for still denying the obvious?

        • nurglitch

          Because we have not been abused. Seriously? Abused? You think GW abuses you because CSM are difficult to win games with?

          • shiwan

            False advertising knowing that the product in no way represents what the company says it is while knowing that the fans will believe what the promotion material says. So, basically they lied to customers knowing that the customer on average is dumb enough to not learn from the first or even the 5th time the company has lied to him/her.

            Translate that to any sort of relationship between 2 people and it’s always called abuse.

      • Seismic Ghost

        Lawl, you got me pretty good there.

  • nurglitch

    I’m absolutely loving my Black Legion at the moment so I’m super-excited for this.

    • Karru

      I’d be excited but I just can’t forget everything GW has done to CSM since 3.5 was replaced with 4th edition and everything that has happened afterwards. I started Black Legion twice, once as a normal CSM army and later as a Khorne Daemonkin. Both times ended fast when I realised that the army was just so boring, bland and lacked flavour in any manner. More and more details that emerge regarding this book makes me more afraid that it’s just going to be complete and utter garbage like Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter supplements were.

      • nurglitch

        Well, garbage for you, gravy for me. Potato potahto. I’m glad GW is catering to my tastes rather than yours.

        • shiwan

          At the moment CSM can not win anything significant. It is very unlikely that this would change that. If they are not going to bring CSM up to balance, why are you excited about this?

          • Skathrex

            My CS won a Tyranid Campaign which I found to be a pretty significant thing for me.^^
            Was more than a month of fun with CSM.

          • shiwan

            Tyranid campaign. Tyranid. Ty-ra-nid. T-y-r-a-n-i-d.

            When you win a major tournament with vanilla CSM then let’s revisit this.

          • nurglitch

            Because I like the product and how it works, and I really like the direction of the expansions so far.

          • shiwan

            You like to lose above all else. Roger that.

  • Jared van Kell

    I will reserve my judgement before I get this. I will want to see if the formations and decurion are actually useful first.

    • shiwan

      Do you think that it is likely that they will lift CSM up to par with the successful codices?

  • Karru

    I just had this creepy feeling crawl down my spine. Do I need the two garbage catalogues AKA Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter books to play this book? Does anyone have any information regarding that?

    • shiwan

      I don’t think so but hey, it’s GW doing things “for” CSM. It could be anything.

    • Chet Atkinson

      No, those supplements have the ‘best’ bits reproduced in this new book

  • Mike Linke

    “Contains new rules”
    “11 new formations”

    Does anyone have examples of similar blurbs for previous books?

    Are there new rules AND new formations? Have they ever rehashed a data slate and called it “new formations”?

    What are the odds this is the Veterans of the Long War supplement that was rumored last year? I’d be willing to put down a small bet on that.

    And if we’re getting access to psykana powers in this books, what are the chances we’ll also get the cataphractii and contemptor from BaC, which were introduced to 40k in the same book?

    • shiwan

      Lets for a second assume these are new. If there’s a decurion-style thing then that’s new. Obviously the psychics are not unless you count new names as new powers.

      It is very unlikely that CSM is getting proper terminators or the contemptor.

      Anyway, does it really matter if they are new or not?

      • Andrew Webb

        To be honest the CSM should definitely get the Cataphractii Terminators and Contemptor dread.

        • shiwan

          That would have been logical from the get go but, since it’s CSM and GW, nope.

          • Andrew Webb

            It would also be logical for BA, SW, and DA to have them. Especially as BA and DA are, by the back story, the only 2 chapters to have enough terminator armor to equip entire companies…..

          • shiwan

            And they don’t? Hilarious! GW has literally screwed over anyone who is not playing basic loyalists, DA, Tau or Eldar.

            And then the people who play the 4 wonder why many other players are not happy about it. 😀

          • Andrew Webb

            Nope, no Cataphractii termies for BA, DA, SW. No Contemptors either.

          • shiwan

            Well, one can not really say that GW hates loyalists in any form but that’s still just ridiculous. “Hey, let’s give these to the factions that literally have least of them available and deny them from ones that should have many!”

          • Chet Atkinson

            I field the Cats and Contemptor in my chaos army just using the SM rules

          • shiwan

            Do you otherwise play marines with chaos models or is this just a house rule?

  • Latro_the_Zombie

    If only they spent the same time and resources on cover design and presentation as they did on actually getting the rules decent for chaos…. I mean it’s flogging a very long dead horse now and we’re pretty much moaning for the sake of it now but cmon… who in their right mind is considering buying this pos?

    word is (lets face it speculation is gonna be true its chaos):
    formations from other books
    knight rules from other books
    LoS from other books

    So its one new formation and new obj and psy cards… woo hoo ugh

  • Chet Atkinson

    Is Kharn supposed to have one massive arm? Just wondering cos it looks bigger than his armoured arm…

  • Chet Atkinson

    With the new rules coming out soon I don’t understand why they would bring out an expensive item like this now only for it to be basically worthless by spring