Mantic: The Future of Kings of War


Mantic’s Ronnie Renton shares the future of Kings of War for the next few years!

via Mantic:

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Onwards to war – victory awaits the brave…

Recently we announced Kings of War Historical – and the response has been amazing. While it has somewhat of a “Hollywood” approach to historical accuracy, we think you’ll get some terrific games played using the rules. I expect to see battle reports of both recreations of epic battles of old – and some of those scraps we have always asked over beer like “who’d win in a battle between the Romans and an army of the undead”? The book is primarily a way to fight historical clashes, but we felt it would be missing something without a little ‘mythical’ fun in there.

Stepping back, it is fantastic to see Kings of War continuing to grow around the world; it seems to have taken deep hold in the USA and Australian tournament scenes for mass battle fantasy gaming, and continues to grow rapidly in the UK and Europe too. There are more new people trying it out and then joining the ranks of KoW than ever before, and new releases – both new armies and gap filling in the range – are happening all the time.

Earth Elementals

However, every now and then we need something epic that galvanises us all into action – a reason to start that new army, finish off the units we have had on our painting table for months or pick up those regiments that will finally help us turn the tide in battle! That spur into action might be a tournament, a global campaign or just a new release for the army we have.

Over the past few weeks I have been on Facebook, looking at forums and talking to players at shows about what Kings of War gamers want (and don’t want) to see in the years ahead. What I’m hearing above all else is that there is a demand for more of…well… more of everything really! But pressing a little deeper there were a few stand out messages: at the top of the print list are organised global campaigns, rules for sieges, skirmish rules, lots more fluff and perhaps some multiplayer battle options.

Miniatures-wise there was demand to fill out the gaps in existing armies, get some new armies underway (but again just a few cool ones!) and a few new units – perhaps tied in with a “General’s Compendium” type book.

Naiad Wyrmriders

So, that’s what we are going to do!

Next month we have some great unit fillers (the Naiad Wyrmriders are seriously tempting me to a nature army… and judging by the reaction on Facebook, it looks like a lot of you agree) and then in 2017 we’ll be releasing a full Trident Realms army!

We will also get a Tournament pack out – working with all the major tournament organisers from around the world to make sure it’s perfect. It’ll have a few ‘special’ rules for the year (entirely optional) plus the latest FAQs and some words of wisdom from the KoW Rules Committee.

However, the most exciting news is that from January you’re going to have to start building your armies because in summer we will be running a massive global campaign, with some help from our friends over at Beasts of War. The campaign will coincide with the relaunch of the Basilean army (with all new plastic Men at Arms… you kept asking, so we’ve made sure we listened) as they tackle a huge invasion from the Abyss. We will keep track of the results and the games you play will shape the world of Mantica. Not cataclysmic effects though – I mean, we won’t end the world or anything 🙂 – but enough that the KoW source book that comes out at the end of 2017 will reflect the results of the campaign and the map will be updated depending on the outcome.


But the best thing is that all of this will be done direct to retail. Being honest, if we want to release three big plastic armies simultaneously we will still have to look for some upfront support, but that’s not the case with this plan. Everything I have mentioned above (just like Historical and Uncharted Empires) will be available first through our fantastic retail partners, and from us at shows and online. That has been made possible by the fantastic support and growing community behind KoW.

Which makes the true heroes of this battle – you!




~How’s Kings of War doing in your neck of the woods?

  • Richard Mitchell

    KoW is getting me into 28mm historicals, I really want to see my Romans wipe out magical elves. I need to see it.

    • georgelabour

      Throw in the japanese self defense force and you’ve just describe an anime called gate. 😛

      • silashand

        Yeah, but the Romans don’t have Super Cobra attack helicopters 🙂

        • georgelabour

          lend lease sea turtles mate.

          With rotors made from the hair on their backs!

        • Simon Chatterley

          Sure they did. Just when they exploded they did in a way that left no evidence that Tony Robinson and the Time Team could find.

      • Drahazar

        That is a great Anime

    • euansmith

      Typical Mantic ripping off another IP! History Channel are going to be so annoyed when they find out 😉

      • Lewis Everitt


  • Simon Chatterley

    Fair play to Mantic for making a system that can bring so many players together. I still love GW but rather than aggrievate the players of their game Mantic at least tries to make it more approachable.

    Regardless of what you think of the quality of the models you cannot fault their outlook

    • taithays

      Sorry that you feel “aggrievated”. Happily, a lot of people don’t feel that way !

      • Simon Chatterley

        I must have communicated my view poorly. I swear I said I still love GW?

        • taithays

          Yes you did. Why ?

          • Simon Chatterley

            Because you insinuated I was “aggrievated” when that was clearly not what I said.

            Perhaps you should “read” people’s comments properly before you comment on them in future.

          • ZeeLobby

            But knee-jerks are the way of the future!

          • Hawt Dawg

            Where do I sign up m’lord?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            He is being a spelling Nazi. Aggrieve is a word and aggravate is a word but aggrievate sadly isn’t. A word that meant both saddened and angered might be useful when discussing GW though.

          • Simon Chatterley

            Oh well. Life goes on and all that.

          • euansmith

            Man, I’m feeling so aggrievated now!

          • taithays

            That proves one thing: correctly spelling the words you want to use is essential in order to be understood 🙂 You can call it Nazi or whatever you want, the thing is if you spell wrong you are not understood as you should be.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I think we all understood. If he was writing a technical manual then I’d agree, but we are all just friends having a chat here 🙂

          • taithays

            I gave you reason but you continue… Why not… So, you said GW aggrievate the players and I thought you said that as a personal feeling and by experience but it is clearly not the case so I made a mistake and you talk about something you did not experience but for others… But then if you want to act like I attacked you and you are a victim, please take pleasure doing it 🙂

  • Benderisgreat

    Do they have a writer working with them to generate IP, or are they still angling to be a sort of “replacement WFB company” and that’s it? It would be neat to see them come up with an Old World spin.

    • taithays

      Or see them create something original…

    • georgelabour

      To be fair they do seem to be trying to create a more original backstory for their deadzone game. Which is set in the warpath universe.

      Though I haven’t been following KOW enough to know if they’re doing anything with that.

    • Mark Kelly

      They do! Here’s a really interesting blog post about the process:

    • blackbloodshaman

      Never creating anything original worked for GW why not Mantic?

      • euansmith

        In GW’s defence (did I really just type that?) they took bunch of disparate ideas from Moorcock, Herbert, 2,000AD, punk and prog rock, and a bunch of other sources and, over 30-odd years (some very odd years) have mashed, crushed, bent, folded, spindled, mutilated and polished it in to something recognisably their own (Then, of course, they threw half of it away and started with something entirely different in tone).

        I guess that, if Mantic survive the course, 30 years from now, they’ll most likely be in a similar position. 🙂

        • blackbloodshaman

          The thing is GW borrowed from every popular part of the culture, from authors to folklore, so if there is a new game of fantasy its hard to base your setting on something that GW also didnt base their setting on, thus inviting attacks from the legions of rabid fanboys. The truth is KoW already has elements that are kind of its own…Basileans, Elementals… Orcs and Dwarves on the other hand are not GW’s in any way shape or form. Its just that mantic also adoppted them into their own universe, and made them their own (Darves have cavalry for in stance).

          • euansmith

            Yeah, those Basilean Monkey Nuns are quite unlike anything I’ve seen before 😉 Hopefully they’ll get a rescuplt somewhere down the way. The Salamanders are rather nice, though I wish they’d left the harnesses off of them as it is just another darn thing to paint.

    • Shawn Parker

      Well they did create their own system that works amazingly well and provides all the strategic depth with none of the muss and fuss of the majority of systems out there right now. To me GW’s systems feel like a clunky beta of a war game compared to KOW. The fact that I already have armies from Warhammer to play it is just a bonus.

      Creativity isn’t just creating ‘IP’. Creating a well balanced set of rules with just the right amount of variables takes quite a bit of creativity on its own. Of course I could also site the Trident realms and Night Stalker armies which are no where to be found in the WFB either…

      • Benderisgreat

        I should’ve been more specific and said fiction/universe as opposed to rules, but all good to hear.

  • Gunsheeplol

    So basically another year of awful miniatures and ideas directly ripped off from other companies. No wonder KoW is a dying game.

    • Simon Chatterley

      You spambots do make me laugh.

    • Hawt Dawg

      As long as there are people willing to accept the blight they call models, or suffers from glaucoma, Mantic will thrive. To be honest, if you want to know if your models look bad, compare it to Mantics, and if yours are better, you are still clueless.

      • Purple-Stater

        The quality of my GW models looks approximately the same as my Mantic models when they are three feet away from me, on the game table. When they are not on the game table they look identical, hidden inside plastic/cardboard cases in the closet. In fact, the only functional difference between them is what I’ve paid.

        • Hawt Dawg

          Yes because GW is the only other miniature makers on the market…

          Paying for cheap crap is still a waste of money.

          • Purple-Stater

            Bigger waste to pay for expensive crap that never gets used, or looks exactly like the cheap stuff because one’s painting skills are that poor.

          • Hawt Dawg

            Sticks and stones are free.

          • euansmith

            That’s just Communist talk! 😉

          • Hawt Dawg

            Free, not: sticks and stones under survelliance

          • Purple-Stater

            And it’s a fair certainty that players with even lower needs and/or financial resources are using them. Plenty of people play using nothing more than a scrap of paper cut to the proper unit/base size. If they’re happy with that level of play, then more power to them.

          • Hawt Dawg


    • taithays

      When WFB I read everywhere that all WFB were going to KOW. What a good joke 🙂

      • Hawt Dawg

        Well I have yet to meet one of these converters myself, but according to the wise “men” on the internet, they come in numbers too vast to count.

        Personally I started with Warmahordes but still kept my GW dreams alive.

      • Admiral Raptor

        I did, but I also took up 9th age and later on AoS. They’re not mutually exclusive. KoW is good for big battles but 9th Age is better if you’re looking for a WHFB fix. AoS has been great since the Generals Handbook came out.

        If you’re a fantasy gamer there’s never been a better time to play.

    • Beefcake the mighty

      And where is your evidence it is “dying”? And if you read the article you would know the trident realms were never produced in Fantasy or Age of smegma.

  • Matt Razincka

    Wait…they are launching something…WITHOUT KICKSTARTER? Be-still my heart.

    • OldHat

      Yea, hope this is the final end of “Preorderstarter” for established companies. I have hoped for that day since the Dust debacle though and I was just a spectator!

      • euansmith

        Mantic might be a “big” games company, but they are still a small company. Using kickstarter has allowed them to grow their lines far faster than if they relied on sales through online stores and FLGS. I can’t see them abandoning the platform any time soon.

        I was and remain a disgruntled DUST: Operation Babylon backer 😉

        • Matt Razincka

          I can understand using it to build the company, but at some point it feels like they are afraid to rely on their players to support the company rather than the Kickstarter community. I mean, it works, so I understand why! Just feels like that last step to become a real boy. 😛

          Also, I am so, so sorry. That was a trainwreck.

          • euansmith

            I guess it saves them from spending time and energy on developing a product only to find no one wants it 😉 Their profit margin probably isn’t huge.

            To add insult to injury on the DUST campaign, Battlefront and DUST Studio finally stopped having their very public hissy fit and got the final Wave 3 stuff on its way for delivery… unfortunately aboard a ship belonging to Hanjin Shipping; just in time for the world’s largest freighter company to file for bankruptcy 😀 It is like the product is cursed!