Why ‘Sisters of Battle’ Is Going To Get Updated

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Pimpcron has a hunch. Not the hunch in his back. Another one.

Hey dudes and dudettes! Your mom’s secret crush, Pimpcron, is back this week with a completely unsupported hunch. But when you look at the facts and piece together the puzzle, I think you’ll agree.

GW Is Finally Clean & Sober

I think we can all agree … that I’m sexy. But on another note, I think we can all agree that Games Workshop is finally off “the sauce”. Just two years ago GW was a company that we loved to hate and they didn’t seem to care. They raised prices constantly, they didn’t listen to their fans, and they even closed their social media accounts. Codexes didn’t get erratas or FAQ’s, and they showed no attention to their much-loved Specialist Games such as Blood Bowl and Battle Fleet Gothic. And the list goes on. It was like they were an alcoholic, slowly pushing away their friends and letting it affect their job. But now they have faced their demons (or daemons for you gamers), and have re-emerged with a fresh face.

Drink-More-DrunkThis was the GW we’ve known for the last 15 years.

If you read my articles regularly you’ll know that I have said some pretty inflammatory things about Games Workshop in the past. So I am not the first person to jump on the bandwagon and start thinking they’ve changed. But given all of the evidence, it seems like they are finally trying:

  • A bigger, better, cheaper White Dwarf
  • Blood Bowl Re-released
  • Some dream codexes released
  • Free models on White Dwarf
  • Battle Fleet Gothic game
  • Tons of cool new video games to spread awareness of their brand
  • Points added to AoS, including their discontinued armies
  • Social media pages back up
  • Giving us rules for renegade knights
  • Warhammer TV
  • Start Collecting boxes that are a great deal price-wise
  • Battle for Vedros sets for beginners
  • Kill Team is back!
  • FAQs & Erratas
  • Communicating with us commoners
  • Putting out Silver Tower which is clearly paying homage to the old Warhammer Quest
  • Giving independent podcasts sneak peeks at product
  • Trying to get back into the tournament scene
  • Actually bringing in a couple podcast people to critique their “Matched Play” AoS rules and points
  • Prize support for major Tournaments
  • Donating huge models painted by ‘Eavy Metal to charity auctions
  • Paying me a ton of money to write this garbage

Nope, nope. Scratch that last one.

I’m not saying that I am above being paid off. I did tons of nasty stuff to pay for college that my kids will never find out about. I’m just saying that they did not actually pay me to write this. I am legitimately shocked at how they have been acting. I hope all of this continues.

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So Why WOULDN’T They Update SoB?

Had this been a year ago, I would have told you that Sisters will never get re-done because GW is a bunch of butt-heads who don’t listen to their customers. But now, I can’t help but assume that there is a new SoB codex coming. Here are the facts:

Sisters of Battle have been featured prominently in several campaign books. This mean that they aren’t being swept under the rug in the fluff like the Squats were. They still exist and they are contributing to the story.

SquatsCover2They were pretty comical.

Games Workshop has made a point in the last few years to release product lines that nobody ever thought we’d see. I want you to take a step back for just a moment and realize that we have now seen the release of Admech, Skitarii, Death Watch, Harlequins, and mother-effing GENESTEALER CULT! You now live in a world where these are actual codices. To those of us who have dreamed about this happening, it is a miracle. I mean, who needs male enhancement drugs when you’ve got that slick new Genestealer Cult video? I gotta tell ya, I just saw the video for the first time and my doctor will be getting a call later about “it” lasting more than 5 hours. I am beyond psyched. You know, I bought about 5 of the GSC-side of Deathwatch Overkill to make a GSC army last winter?

Anyway, when you factor in the Specialist Games being reborn, nearly everything we’ve bitched and complained about for the last decade has been addressed. Everything except a new Sisters of battle Codex.

So it seems that they are trying to capitalize on every single thing we’ve asked for except that. And when you go down this miracle list of all of the things you’d never believe a couple years ago, there is no reason at all to think they won’t cross off the last thing.

We demand new SoB models in plastic, a new book, and new vehicles. [rubs his gums with his finger nervously]

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You can’t hold out on us GW! Release the Sisters!

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  • Spacefrisian

    Even a paperback version of the current ebook codex + updated ruling would be GW showing some Nuns with guns love (i would at least be able to bring a hardcover with me instead of some bunch of printed papers.

    • Moke

      I’d accept this if it came with plastic models. That’s the only thing stopping me investing in a Sisters army at the moment…

      • JJ

        I think that is the problem for most people. I have wanted to start an army for about 8 years but I just know that the min plop down several hundred$$ on a starter force they will release plastics at half the cost and twice the coolness.

        Therefore the project is stalled.

        At this point it’s a game of “chicken or the egg” SOB don’t sell….or.. they don’t sell because everyone is waiting on new models.. see the DE codex/Model line revamp. Although that got botched by a horrendous codex.

        • Drew_Da_Destroya

          The revamp codex was good. It was just the mess that came out in pre-Necron 7th that sucked.

          RIP, most of our special characters.

          • JJ

            It’s hard to call any codex that relies on open topped vehicles good at this point. DE and Orks are hosed by the open topped transport rules it’s not funny. The rules seem to be written by someone who hated anything that wasn’t a rhino!

          • Chad Underdonk

            I think you mean everyone in charge range of those open top vehicles is hosed!

  • Skathrex

    In before the: “They didn’t fix Chaos” comment.

    • ILikeToColourRed

      chaos players know that sisters need an update more than they do. Unless you find a really thick specimen

      • Skathrex

        I think you will find a lot of CSM players who do not share your opinion.^^

        Although having played both, I think Sisters need more of a model update and more variety.

        • Diagoras

          True, but that’s because some of us are really unpleasant. To me, opposing an update for an army as outdated as the Sisters would just be churlish and petty.

          Granted, spite and rage are among the many faces of Chaos, but not all of us are unreasonable hounds waiting to rip apart anything that isn’t ours.

          • euansmith

            Plus, maybe a new SoB Codex could be the new “Counts As Codex Chaos Space Marines” Chaos players have been waiting for.

            Just think, a bunch of powered armour types, armed with all sorts of burny equipment and possessing weird powers that can’t be blocked by those pesky Loyalist Psykers; while offering an improved Deny the Witch mechanic to play merry heck with your opponents’ attempts to cast Invisibility.

          • Skathrex

            Codex SoB or Codex Slaaesh Daemonkin?^^

          • Djbz

            It would be nice if the denial improving effects worked on blessings…

          • Skathrex

            You aren’t! Blasphemy! Go back to the Emperor! You do not belong to Chaos, where spite is all the rage 😉

          • Neal Laxman

            Chaos players being unpleasant comes with the territory! All they want is more skulls and blood, pus and weeping sores, evil magic or have a weird sex model fetish to go with their arrogance! 😉

          • Diagoras

            Maybe, maybe not… Maybe, somewhere, deep down, all most of us really want… is love.

            Eugh. No. No, thank you. I’ll take my arrogance with a hefty serving of evil magic, thank you very much.

        • ZeeLobby

          My only issue with CSM at the moment, and I’ve sold most of them off at this point, is that they’ve always been painted as the main antagonist of 40K. And they’re anything but that right now… Sisters would just be another tool in the Imperium’s utility belt, which is currently on belt #2.

          That’s all gaming perspective. Fluff wise the sisters are awesome and need an update.

          • Damistar

            Not always, Orks were the originals.

          • ZeeLobby

            I thought the Horus heresy was cannon since the beginning?

          • euansmith

            I don’t think that Horus was in Rogue Trader. I seems to remember that the Emperor is just mentioned as some half dead lighthouse keeper sat on a throne and nibbling on psykers.

            Orkz, on the other hand, were there from the start; battling Crimson Fists in the Battle at the Farm.

          • Damistar

            Nope, it showed up as a sentence in the RT book I think, but it didn’t get any details until they released Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine. Rogue Trader was really more of an RPG that required miniatures than a true war game back then. The Horus Heresy was used as a convenient excuse to only have to make one set of minis for those two games (space marines and titans fighting each other).

          • Scott Staten

            Nope i bought the original book when it released. the emperor was in the golden throne because he got OLD, Chaos was not even mentioned. the warp was dangerous because of things like enslavers.

            Oh, and Marines were not T4, they were T3 and power armor was a 4+ save.

          • JPMcMillen

            There was a lighter armor you could wear under the power armor and get the 3+ save. Of course in those days, with save modifiers it didn’t always help that much.

        • ILikeToColourRed

          they mostly need a swap to plastic and a price drop imo

          • Skathrex

            I would love a bit more variaty than Girls with Special Weapons in Transports.
            #makeseraphimgreatagain

          • Djbz

            I have a potential idea for Seraphim, what if instead of their pistols being used as normal close combat weapons they could use their pistol profiles in close combat in addition to shooting?
            I think it’d at least increase the value of the (high cost ) Inferno pistols at least

          • Skathrex

            That would indeed make Seraphim great again. (Even though I think they should disconnect seraphim from the pistol aspect imo). Pistols and Angels don’t really go together, but thats just my opionion

      • Mike Salamandrin

        “Looks at =I= models that only have a patch job e-book codex and old minis, rolls eyes at chaos marine complaints, remembers Ordo Xenos finally has it’s chamber militant and enemies to fight, becomes happy :)”

      • Gustav

        That’s generally a Slaanesh issue, really.

    • Stealthbadger

      Nooooo don’t bait them you fool!

      • Skathrex

        But It was a glorious Bait!

    • Karru

      Like ILikeToColourRed said, CSM players can complain all they want about the lack of fix, but every sane person knows that Sisters need a codex. An actual Codex. They also need new models more badly than anyone else in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise.

  • knightsanguis

    If they’re gonna update the Sisters, I want it to be a big one, not some afterthought. Not only do they need an entire range update, but their fluff could do with some fleshing out too. It’s severely lacking compared to the other factions.

    • Ross Allan

      Dark Eldar mate. Dark Eldar. When they got done in 2010 (maybes 2011?) they got a full ‘from the ground up’ re-work in terms of models. I can’t think of another army shown that much attention. SoB should expect, and indeed demand the same.

      • ZeeLobby

        Don’t bring back that time period. DE were a blast to play when they did the refresh. I jusy avoided taking fliers (cause most armies had no answer yet) and didn’t abuse Eldar allies, and every game was close. Those were the days…

        • Drew_Da_Destroya

          Man, that DE book was so good. I mean, sure, I missed the ridiculousness of the Biker Archon with 3e Drugs and a Punisher, but the book had actual options, and flavor, and it was good. Power from Pain was a little funky, but it was immediately useful.

          Then the book got redone, and all I can do is lose.

          • JJ

            What I would give to have 3rd edition biker drug lords and Terrorfexes back.

      • Haighus

        Grey Knights were the only army close- prior to their 5th ed revamp, they were in much the same place as Sisters are now.

        Dark Eldar were a bit more thorough though, literally only Drazhar remains of the prior range now.

    • Aezeal

      Seeing the sisters as an army is not the good way to think about it. In the grand scheme of the imperium they are not a big faction in numbers. They are an “ally-codex” and so don’t “deserve” an update, ofc flfuff can be changed so they could be very important in their next codex 😀

      • Benjamin E

        There are far more Sisters of Battle than there are Marines of any stripe “Less than one marine for every world in the Imperium.” If a faction that’s less than 2 million strong (1,000 chapters x 1,000 Marines, +initiates, over-sized chapters, Fleet personnel, drivers etc) gets 7 or 8 simultaneous codexes and scores of unique kits, the Sisters of Battle are at least deserving of 5 or 6. And, since GW is still firmly trapped in the 80s-90s for the most part, updating the all-Female faction would be nicely progressive on their part (Though the inclusion of female Tau heads was a nice touch, as well as the mixed-gender Dark eldar wyches).

        • Aezeal

          Are the sisters that large in numbers? I thought they’re would be less of them.. I know the SM are very few in number in comparison to the zillions of guard who are again only a small % of the total population of the empire.. but I didn’t know sisters where bigger. I’d have thought smaller.. or same numbers at best.

          • polyquaternium7

            Half of “the Imperium of Man” are women, not all combatants offcourse, but most worlds induct both genders into the imperial guard. Besides that, there is the Schola Progenium, where the orphans of officers and aristocrats are screened and trained for various roles depending on the aptitude of the student. Some become stormtroopers, arbiters/judges, commisars, sororitas, Inquisitors to name a few. Every civilised world large enough has a Schola Progenium. Also orphans of commoners can be raised by the Ecclesiarchy (one of the largest organisations within the Imperium) and trained further by the Sisters (their Chamber Militant.) Sum everthing up and thats a lot of planets with a lot of orphans, waiting to be a battle sister, easily outnumbering the recruitment rate of space marines.

        • Aezeal

          I must admit that numbers are ofc not relevant to the decision.. stealers will only ever be on a very limited numbers of worlds and then they’d still be a small part of the population.. and if they win they get eaten.. which doesn’t really make a good plan for expansion at all 😀

      • knightsanguis

        The Sisters of Battle are the largest of the three Chambers Militant. If GW can make fully functional armies out of Deathwatch and the Grey Knights then I’m certain they can do the same with the Sisters.

        As for the fluff, that’s exactly why they should be given a major update in that department. Almost every faction in the Imperium is fleshed out with tons of lore now except for the Sisters, which is a shame because they have a lot of potential.

    • ZeeLobby

      I don’t know if I want GW touching the fluff too much. It’d likely end in some retconning where they’re secretly immortals formed by the emperor.

      • knightsanguis

        As long as Matt Ward’s not writing it, I’m about 80% sure that won’t happen. 😉

        Jokes aside, they don’t need to change much, just add on to what’s there, like fleshing out the Orders a little more. Their Lexicanum articles are pitifully short compared to Space Marine Chapters, Imperial Guard regiments, etc.

        • ZeeLobby

          Well, Matt Ward has returned ;D.

          • euansmith

            I think that the correct terminology is, “MATT WARD has risen again!”

  • Moke

    Sisters could be great if they were a horde army. They could be the Anti-deathwatch. Lots of bodies that are fragile as hell but 3+ armour makes them just a bit survivable. Buffs come from priests, acts of faith and various crazy bits of machinery like penetant engines. They’d be like Imperial Guard but less squishy, less bad at shooting and with fewer tanks

  • Ross Allan

    I’m thinking SoB are going to factor in quite heavily when the 13th Black Crusade kicks off in earnest.
    After all, they’re the militant wing of the Ecclesiarchy. Who better to lead your loyal Citizens in counter uprisings against Chaos and Genestealer Cults?
    And yes. I would kill for a Chaos Cult Codex – the one in IA:13 is utterly fantastic in every way shape or form, but not really well known enough for pick up games, especially given the sheer number of options on offer!

    • Strategery.

      i will save you from chaos with this flamethrower!

      *picks up charred corpse*

      your welcome, citizen!

  • David Leimbach

    They’ll never do it. The fear of feminist outrage is strong with this one.

    • Moke

      All they need to do is not ridiculously over sexualise them and portray them as a powerful army who aren’t always being slaughtered and having their blood painted over the armour of men so they can get on with MANS WORK. It’s really not difficult to avoid feminist outrage, you just have to use your brain the tiniest amount.

      • PrimoFederalist

        I’m curious: do you consider the current power-armored models over sexualized?

        • cudgel

          Boob armour is silly.

          • CMAngelos

            Silly Sure. But all of 40k is silly in its own way so ‘boob armor’ as long as it isn’t super over done (which I don’t think sisters are In their current artwork design) it’s fine.

          • JJ

            Really? You don’t see the whole dominatrix thing with their armor/uniform?

            If they redo SOB in the nature of Militarum Tempestus Scions then they will have moved in the right direction.

          • CMAngelos

            Sure it’s there, I won’t deny that, but it’s not straight overt in most of the newer art as it is in the model range, and even there it’s not really over the top for basic Battle Sisters as it is in say the Repentia Squads, but even so, why is that bad or wrong?

            Not everything needs hard ground roots in reality or sensibility in a universe that has Cannons that fire -Gravity- and Demons running around.

            So why does the line need to be Sterilized and brought up to 100% Political Correctness, let them be a Stylized-female look and have ‘silly boob armor’ as long as it’s not Raging Heroes style proportions.

          • JJ

            I don’t think anyone..well anyone reasonable is asking for a sterilized look. Only to dial back some of the S&M aspects.

          • CMAngelos

            Fair enough reasoning and I don’t mind a dial back in some aspects. However I hope the overall aesthetic stays the same.

          • euansmith

            In their defence, if I was spending my days walking down streets choked with the smoldering corpses of the condemned, I might like high-heeled, platform boots to keep me out of the mess.

          • zeno666

            No no, or yes. It is. But this is 40k, so its ok. Nothing can be wrong in 40k.

          • PrimoFederalist

            Do you also think the stylized Blood Angels abs, pecs, and nipples armor is silly? I can understand an argument against the current Sisters Repentia models, however, in the context of 40k I think “boob” armor is in good company. I like the armor of the Adepta Sororita is stylized in a feminine way – it highlights both the gaudiness of the Ecclesiarchy’s tastes and the boundless resources they have to spend on gilded armor, and further acts as a reminder that they are banned from maintaining “men under arms.” Anyway, I’d wager the consensus is my view, however, those who share your view would be very very vocal in letting us know they disagree. I imagine that, as a company who’s job is to make money, the long delay has been GW’s hesitation to wade into those waters.

          • Moke

            That’s the same argument that crops up in games a lot. You’re mistaking objectification with idealisation. See this for a full explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9UMgOFeLw

          • cudgel

            The Blood Angels armour is also silly. Note that I am not outraged, it is just my opinion.

        • Moke

          The boob armour is silly but overall they’re far from the worst thing in the world. At least they’re fully dressed, which is more than you can say for most female SF/F Characters.

          If they didn’t have the boob armour I’d say they were perfect, especially as it’s not as if you can’t have feminine armour without hammering out dents for teh b00bz (http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/6/67/Cassandra_inquisition_promotional.png/revision/latest?cb=20140927002132)

      • Emprah

        Too optimistic, left wing imbeciles always found a way to rage about something. Best ignore them.

        • euansmith

          We mainly rage about right-wing imbeciles. It probably averages out in the end. 😉

          • polyquaternium7

            I’m more of a Chicken-wing kind of guy

    • Benjamin E

      That’s an absurd statement, since all the feminists I know who play 40k keep saying “Hey, a little representation would be nice. Throw us a bone here, c’mon, Anything!”

      • David Leimbach

        “Throw us a bone”… LOL .. I love the subtle irony. Unfortunately I think this one falls under “people who will complain no matter what you do.”

        • Ross Allan

          No. That’s CSM players you’re thinking of. Not feminists.

        • Moke

          I think they’d make more than enough from new Sisters models to make it worth the two or three people who’d complain, especially if they did it right.

  • Loki Nahat

    no, just no, it’s not going to happen, carry on, as you were

  • Just gonna poke on the list:

    *Free models on White Dwarf
    Were a thing when AoS launched, when Assault on Black Reach launched, and more.

    * Tons of cool new video games to spread awareness of their brand
    Most of which licensed to inexperienced mobile developers. As a Gamer, these games tend to be mediocre to bad, with a few really good ones few and far between (and mostly adapting specialist games). As a fan of the IP, I tend to buy them regardless, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t frustrate me at times because of all the wasted potential, like turning them into lane defense games or throwing in microtransactions and one-tap combat…
    Too bad the better ones from indie devs tend to bankrupt the studios over licensing fees…

    * Giving us rules for renegade knights

    Not sure why those were necessary in the first place…

    * Battle for Vedros sets for beginners

    While cool, those aren’t even available in most markets, and are, essentially, recycled old kits. They didn’t even bother to change the artwork for the main set from Assault on Black Reach.

    * Kill Team is back!
    It wasn’t gone. The rules were slightly updated from those released previously via Black Library’s Digital Editions, but that’s about it. I love that its back in the mainstream but heck, people who bought it previously via BL or iTunes got the updated rules for free even. Not something returning, just getting slightly revised.

    A lot of other points on the list would be considered the bare minimum of maintenance effort expected from a company in this industry, and not something I’d like to celebrate. It is good, yes, undeniably so, and I am glad they’re doing it again, but we shouldn’t really heap praise at them for doing the bare minimum.

    • euansmith

      I think that Pimpcrone was doing his best to find anything nice to say about the company. 😉

      • zeno666

        Well it is tricky 😉

      • Of course, and to me it seems like he was aware of how he was scraping the barrel. That final, crossed-out line made me chuckle.

    • ZeeLobby

      Pretty much the same way I feel when people point to all these things and say GW is perfect again! I don’t know if it’s because I was simply around in the older days and these people joined when things were headed down hill or not. I just expect to see more before I sign off that everything is right again.

      • Neal Laxman

        I don’t think it is about being perfect again, more that steps are being made in the eighth direction.

        You can’t deny that there is a spring inGWs step again.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. I guess I just focus on the rules and gameplay side. All this public outreach is great and all, but the games themselves still lack the effort they once had. Maybe 8th will change all this for 40K though.

        • euansmith

          “… more that steps are being made in the eighth direction.”

          I presume that is spellf@%ker messing with “right direction”; but I like to think it is a reference to the eight fold path of Chaos.

          • Neal Laxman

            My mind sees so many paths, just looked like that was the correct one.

      • Damistar

        I doubt you’ll find anyone who’s saying GW is perfect, but I feel they’re moving in a better direction as of late.

        • WellSpokenMan

          You must be knew here. I could give you a list of people who would drink the Kool-Aide that Jim Jones handed to GW to hand to the them. There are also a lot of people who get really defensive about anything negative said about GW regardless of basis in fact who I think honestly believe they are being neutral.
          GW IS moving in a better direction though. It will never be enough for the people who act like spurned lovers, but for reasonable people on the fence about the company there is hope.

          • JJ

            GW is moving in a good direction, but GW is like an alcoholic who has been sober for 12 months. Most people are happy for them but wary of a potential backslide.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. Guess I’m in that boat. When the $ drives their every move, I just can’t trust that they’ll always do good stuff for us.

          • Damistar

            I fall into the neutral category. As I have been playing 40K since the beginning, I can take the long view of GWs policies. All in all they’ve made a game I enjoy playing with a background that’s vivid and compelling. That said, they’ve always had issues in the rules department, but I’ve seen them give OP status to just about every faction (twice to CSM even, 2nd ed. and 3.5). So far they have not screwed it up enough o get me to quit playing, but I have curtailed my purchasing as the prices have increased.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. I guess I’ve just seen them before. Remember the last round of FAQs, lol.

    • Drew_Da_Destroya

      When you’ve been repeatedly kicked for years, sometimes just not being kicked feels pretty good.

      Basically, we all have Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Kritarion

    A cry for plastic sisters? Yeah. I will join the 40k bandwagon when that happens.

    • Aezeal

      Why what makes them so special?

      • euansmith

        I think that they can be a really cool faction; maybe even the grimest and darkest of the grim dark factions. Religious fanatics armed with flamer throwers is just about the epitome of grim dark for me. Throw in access to some cultist hordes and they would be great.

      • zeno666

        They are female space marines…

        • Aezeal

          Are not.. they are female space marine WANNABEES.

          • euansmith

            … with magic powers that cannot be blocked in the psykic phase!

          • Kevin Buesse

            Don’t bet on that staying that way. GW giving power that cool to a non space marine army?

            Sure they’re are imperial so it’s similar but I’d call it a distant 2nd.

          • euansmith

            I dunno, GW seem to like “spicing” the game up by giving a faction the ability to completely ignore a phase or rule 😀

      • Karru

        I have always loved their theme and idea. Both Imperial Guard and Space Marines don’t fill the role of “crusaders” for me. Black Templars come close, but Sister do the entire fanaticism and zeal for the Emperor so well. Also the Faith system they have is interesting and can be made even more fun to use with an update. Finally, they would be the only human female models in the game, so that also help with the differentiation.

        Basically what makes them special is that they are actually the most unique faction out of all imperials in terms of fluff. Only one that shares this trait is Mechanicus. All Space Marines and Imperial Guard forces feel just like your regular military force. Sisters feel like the religious fanatics that most Imperial forces are supposed to be.

        • Aezeal

          Sisters are the fanatics.. but that is not what the rest is supposed to be except the marines to a lesser extent. All the forces being fanatics is just not logical.. Guard are basic zillions of humans most of them probably conscripted.. no fanatasism there.

          • Kevin Buesse

            Except they all are tied together by unyielding faith in the emperor. That’s why preheat and commissars arein the IG. To ensure adherence to the faith. They may not be the fanatics of the Sisters or the Monastic esque space Marines. But they are in some part a religiously driven army.

            This makes sense as the emperor and the faith around him is the only thing really bolding humanity together. The light in the dark against chaos and its forces. The fact it’s a twisted mockery of all He strove for but also humanity’s last best hope is what makes it so deliciously grimdark.

      • Kritarion

        Nuns with guns a tank with a huge organ on its back and a literal living saint female Jesus as a HQ

        • Aezeal

          Pah.. nothing to my beetle riding godess.. only a mere saint.

        • Andrew Thomas

          Give us a generic Living Saint, with Rampage, IWND, EW, and Smash, then we’ll talk.

  • vlad78

    Could we have decent rules and the return of the old world then?

    • PrimoFederalist

      I will never ever understand why anyone thought destroying the Old World was a good idea.

      • Ditto. Especially with how much there was left to tell in that setting, and how much demand there really was once the End Times shook things up and got people excited over new stuff at long last.

        Seeing how many people asked questions from all over the Old World to Josh Reynolds, to the point where he had to put in a disclaimer that its all his own ideas and not official GW lore, makes you realize that there was never any reason for the setting to become stale. So many stories left to tell and factions to (re)introduce… they just didn’t do it, and didn’t market it well.

        Just like how they didn’t market their Black Library novels despite getting nominated for the David Gemmell awards (with two books this year again, after the setting died last year!), and having a generally high quality of releases (better than 40k at any rate). I’ll forever mourn the loss of Warhammer Heroes, personally.

      • Simon Chatterley

        Copyrightable faction names. New world equals new factions.

      • Kevin Buesse

        IP protection. Plain and simple the old world was a stretched out map of the real one with Atlantis in the middle.

        Can’t really copyright that.

        So most times you see a stupid corporate decision, ask yourself if a lawyer was trying to earn his keep. Also remember Kirby was the nutter in charge who got embarrassed by the Chapterhouse thing and desperate to make WH great again.

  • TenDM

    I think it’d be a really smart move if they spent the next year or two peppering in crowd pleaser releases like this, Genestealer Cults, new White Dwarf, etc. Stuff that everyone can enjoy on some level rather than just the bland but reliable money makers. Not everyone wants to play Genestealer Cultists but most of us are finding it a lot more interesting than the usual Space Marine releases. If they stick with that sort of attitude I think they’ll build a lot of good will.

    However even if they go down that path I’m not convinced the Sisters of Battle are going to happen. The big issue for the Sisters of Battle is that the concept has some dated roots. Not just the Repentia aspect but the 80’s-90’s sci-fi heavy metal basement dweller scene the company has sort of distanced itself from over the years.
    I’d love to see a hard cover 7th edition Codex and plastic kits and I’m hoping GW prove me wrong, but I think like Slaanesh the Sisters of Battle represent a different era of GW.

    • Kevin Buesse

      If you look at the newer art work they rely on the Gothic aspect far more than the heavy BDSM aspect. Repentia and the penitent engine would need some redesigning but the core sister line is stylized armor and bolters.

      Flamers and meltas aren’t basement dwelling 80’s it’s dark Gothic.

      • TenDM

        Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them. I would like to see new models retain almost everything because different armies being aimed at different groups creates a much more diverse player base. I just feel like they have roots in an era of table top gaming that GW have been trying to move away from for a long time.

      • Andrew Thomas

        Penitent Engine is easy, just borrow from the Ironstrider model. As for Repentia, toning down the more risque aspects of the unit isn’t all that hard, it’s just making them worthwhile to the players enough to risk pissing off concerned citizen groups versus letting them die in a fire. Easiest solution there is to lose the Sister Superior and give them the Lone Wolf or Black Shield treatment, e.g.: either a non-scoring, non-denial unit that lives to take the piss out of your opponent’s scarier stuff, or a designated Heroic Intervention/Death or Glory hound.

  • BartTP

    Great. But bring back Warhammer FB in all it’s glory and forsake this AoS bull. Then and only then I’ll forgive GW for what they did.

    • Aezeal

      Nah I like AoS, my sylvaneth like their fluff too.

      • CMAngelos

        Some people can’t let go if their hate.. they will be forever on the path of the dark side.

        Oops wrong universe.

        • ZeeLobby

          Some people (a fair amount) just don’t like AoS. And that’s OK too.

          • CMAngelos

            Oh it’s completely okay not to like it, no one Has to like it or should be forced to like it. But you gotta admit the “I’m never gonna like it cus it’s not wfb, so bring back wfb” chant is getting a bit worn out.

          • I’m never going to like AoS because it completely fails to account for the things that made WHFB so appealing. The setting feels bland and like every new detail was pulled out of a studio writer’s backside rather than like it belongs firmly into that world.

            The novels and novellas alone have so many deus ex machinae in them that, even if a tense situation develops, there’s always something to turn the tables just cause.

            There’s so little beyond straight-up battles, battles and more battles, that the setting feels more limited than WHFB ever was. The civilizations that remain barely got covered so far, or if they did, it was to be wiped out. Even Azyr has barely been touched in the fiction, and even Alarielle got turned from a magical, melancholic recluse into a vehicle for more battle stories.

            As long as AoS continues its trip of superlatives and forgets to build a memorable core setting worth fighting and dying for, with regular people living regular lives, who exist for more than just the next spearthrust or to be cannon fodder for Chaos, it will fail to appeal to people who loved the Old World.

          • CMAngelos

            See I don’t get this. “It’s not built up like WFB was!” Fun fact is Neither was WFB when it first started either. It was just as bare and empty when it First started, but it had 32 almost 33 years to build its world. Expecting that Right out of the gate for any new setting is a little Silly.

            Like I said before, i know it is incredibly frustrating for some that the Old Worlds story ended, but it’s not -gone- everything in the old world is the history of the new one, and you can still use that history to build off of, for Survivors in the new world, hold outs of previous beliefs etc.

            It’s still a lot deeper than many people look at, because they themselves treat the old world as erased from history, and you really shouldn’t.

          • Karru

            Again, the way I see this issue is the fact that GW replaced Fantasy with AoS. That is what the core problem is. Had they just released AoS as another game with its own lore and all that, there wouldn’t be so much hate aimed towards it.

            Also, regarding the AoS fluff, I just ignore it. It’s literally just Magic: The Gathering lore, but they removed everything that made it interesting.

          • When WHFB first started, it wasn’t based around a setting that was pretty much entirely dominated by Chaos, with few people left alive and those that were only barely. WHFB always had a core of realism and regular life, which AoS lacks. If nothing is left alive, how is it going to allow the world to develop? There have to be massive undertakings to repopulate the Mortal Realms after beating back Chaos, but even then it would take *generations* of in-universe humans to get them to a point that’d allow for new, interesting cultures to blossom and remove them from the war effort enough to flourish. I cannot see that happening when there’s barely even any fiction that concerns itself with the people themselves.

            The “it had 30 years” argument doesn’t hold water when AoS is the direct “sequel” to WHFB, by the same company, employing a lot of the same writers from one to the other, and recycling plot points and characters who *all* feel diminished from what they used to be.

            This isn’t a setting written from scratch, by a startup company. It is designed as a backdrop to the game, more so than WHFB ever was, with little thought as to the internal consistency or life of it all. A multimillion pound company with over 30 years of history maintaining two IPs that have been instrumental to their particular industry’s success should have been able to design more than “everybody is at war, all the time, and nobody even knows how they survive when all food sources or reproduction are dead-dead”.

            And no, to me the Old World is gone. It is over with. There won’t be any new fiction about it, no payoff for various characters that deserved their stories to be told (and a lot of them got forgotten halfway through the End Times or only featured in the final novel because of the author’s own decisions, not because GW gave a damn), and plenty of plot points that never got resolved because GW rushed to end it all in half a year’s time.

            I *liked* The End Times in concept. I *liked* the progression, the deaths, the new twists, but it was utterly hamfisted past the first book. There were inklings of genius in the rest, but none of them allowed room to grow, and the support through fiction was severely lacking as well. They literally cut short the Darkblade series when they were on the verge of continuing it, skipping decades of stories to kill of the character, for example.

            GW failed to capitalize on TET, rushed it out of the gate, provided inconsistent products, massively underestimated demand and replaced all those potential stories with a bleak, blank and bland world of contradictions, lack of consistency, any kind of realism or sense, where everything merely exists to do battle forever. There is so much wrong with the background of Age of Sigmar that I might never finish writing my reviews of the campaign books over all the problems worth addressing.

          • JJ

            Why? Why does it bother you for someone to say “Hey you replaced my favorite product with a new one and I don’t like the replacement, Bring back my old one!” ?

            I get disliking the childish posts about how AOS is for kids / crap for just existing, but to keep voicing your support for an older game is pretty normal.

            PS: Playing devils advocate as I enjoy and play AOS and 8th edition. Really I like hearing from other people that they still like the “Old World”.

          • CMAngelos

            Because for a lot of people it’s become “AoS is Sh!t and anyone who plays it or thinks different is Sh!t” that is what I don’t like, you don’t like AoS great fine I get it, but that also doesn’t really require leaping into every conversation with the “I hate AoS” chant.

            I’m also likely a bit more sour about it because I sat and watched former WFB players Harass people for buying figures and Constantly interrupt games and belittle players in several local stores until they were (thankfully) banned from 1 and killed off AoS play all together at another.

            I will say I don’t play AoS but trashing and harassing anyone for a game that you dont like makes you trash yourself, and I see a lot of people online with the same attitude.

          • JJ

            Ahh..”I’m a douch…don’t like things that I refuse to like” players suck no matter what the game is.

            When I got to con’s I always like to remind people that are making fun of the Furries, Bronies,..etc

            “Hey your here too…how are you any less weird?”

          • Mira Bella

            But he didn’t say anything like that did he?
            He didn’t harass anyone.
            He didn’t belittle anyone.
            He didn’t trash on anyone.
            He stated that he didn’t like it.
            He didn’t attack you for liking it so why does it bother you?
            See that’s your problem mate. You label everyone who doesn’t like AoS as a “hater”
            Prejudice I say.
            You really should not care about what a random person on the Internet thinks about your favorite game.
            I mean how weird is that? You have never met this guy and you probably never will. He has no influence over your live. Why do you let yourself get baited again and again? Just learn to accept it. There will always be at least one person on the net who hates what you love with a passion. Get used to it. That’s really your only option mate.

          • CMAngelos

            And yet here you are bothered enough to be rushing in to defend some dude on the Internet, and if you bothered to read my original reply to the guy it was a sarcastic joke based on over used Star Wars Dialogue. And if you read the rest of my posts instead of jumping in on the defensive I admitted I don’t even play AoS and I agreed it’s FINE to dislike anything someone wants to and that I only had issues with people who take it too far 🙂

        • Karru

          I completely understand them though. Imagine if your favourite game was completely replaced with something that has nothing to do with it. How would you feel? AoS isn’t FB in any way, outside models of course.

          AoS as a game is good, but it’s not Fantasy Battles. It’s like replacing WoW Board Game with Solitaire, they are not the same.

          Had they released AoS as a stand-alone game while still supporting FB, there wouldn’t have been so much pure rage and hate. AoS players would’ve been happier as well for not getting witch hunted and burned on a plastic pyre made from the armies of old “reasonable” FB players.

        • Diagoras

          Something wrong with hate? My hatred keeps me warm, sir.

          Long winter night comes along, I’ll be snug as a bug. Where’ll you be? Freezing in your “forgiveness” and “happiness”, I expect.

      • CatachanCommissar

        Opinions, right? We all know that saying.

        A lot of people will never forgive/forget that they replaced a dark gritty human fantasy setting (complete with ranked battles), with a high fantasy skirmish game. You’re free to like what you want, and we’re free to think it’s the hottest of garbage.

    • Victor Hartmann

      What does Warhammer FB have to do with Sisters of Battle?

      • BartTP

        Dude…

  • Myu

    It’s a compelling article. I wonder whether I should get back into 40k. I don’t intend to play sisters but I hope for those like em that they get updated.

  • Kveldulf

    Squats > SoB

    • Benjamin E

      Squats were ludicrous, and not in a fun way. They’re not coming back.

      • Kveldulf

        Let me guess, you can justify space elves though?

        • Nathaniel Wright

          They sold.

          • Kveldulf

            Compared to?

          • Nathaniel Wright

            Squats, for one.

            But that’s none of my business.

          • Kveldulf

            What are you talking about: ‘none of your business’?

          • Nathaniel Wright

            I’m just saying that Squats sold worse than Sisters.

            And Dark Eldar. The old ones.

          • Karru

            Considering how much GW wants to avoid “knock-offs” and copyright wars, they won’t be doing Squats. Warpath and their Forge Fathers would cause a lot of issues for GW, since I’d dare to wager that major part of possible players would just go with as many Forge Father models for basic troops and then buy some of the bigger kits/vehicles from GW.

          • Kveldulf

            I doubt GW is afraid of dancing with warpath, nor are they so reserved as to not tap into a niche due to a potential of knock offs. If worst came to worst, I bet GW would just make squats even more iconic.

          • euansmith

            If GW made Squats the “Super Heavy” Faction; with landtrains and the like; then they could concentrate on making some large vehicle kits for the Squats. They could also come up with a unique aesthetic for the Squats that didn’t match that produced by other companies.

        • PrimoFederalist

          Well, if you insist on calling them “space elves,” at least the Eldar are actually like elves in space. They’re a dying, ancient race struggling to survive against usurpers, etc. All the pathos of a Tolkien elf. The Squats were not Dwarfs in Space – they are weird and simply not dwarfish. You basically had high fantasy dwarfs shoe-horned into 40k and given motorcycles and billed as evolved/devolved humans. You can’t make them abhuman bikers and expect any of the gravitas that makes high fantasy dwarfs dwarfish to carry over. Thus, they were a horrible concept to start with, and (according to a guy on Natfka’s site) were pushed by a GW employee no one liked but who had a lot of influence. None of the other designers liked Squats, and so as soon as he left they were deep-sixed. If GW decides to make the demiurge Space Dwarves I’d be all about it, they just need to get the character right.

  • ZeeLobby

    My only issue with these mini faction releases, as cool as they are, is how the heck they plan on managing these armies going forward from a gameplay perspective. Not that the return of sisters is necessarily the return of a mini faction, but it definitely expands the imperial arsenal even further while enemies of the imperium (outside Eldar) continue to languish. We’ll see what 8th does, but the more they throw on top prior, the harder it will be to fix the issues it already has.

    • I don’t necessarily think that adding more Imperial Codices is a bad thing. They’re the most fleshed-out part of the IP, and while that also comes down to a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal, the variety in institutions is appealing to a great many people.

      What I regret is that a lot of the Xenos/Anti-Imperial factions are fairly limited in themselves, or behind on technology (like Chaos Marines). They’re just not getting the coverage they deserve, not as much in-depth material in their books, and could use some brushing up. It isn’t the number of supplements that is an issue, but the quality of the core books.

      Personally, I’d be fine with Xenos Codices having higher pricetags but also a higher pagecount to go with it, and stuffing them with more options and rules to mirror features like Chapter Traits. Chaos would especially benefit from that kind of thing, but even Craftworld Eldar could use more in that regard. And I’m not talking about formations, but actual rules that apply to a whole army wearing the same colors.

      Xenos armies need more help to distinguish themselves and have their own identity, whether it be about Ork clans, Eldar Craftworlds or Tau Septs. That’d be an easy way to increase variety for those factions without having to roll out a dozen additional supplements.
      Though to be frank, I’d love to see an Exodites Codex/Supplement, and think that a proper Legions Codex for Chaos is not just appropriate but damn well deserved.

      Either way, I want bigger, more varied Codices, with more options, more room for presenting an army’s unique identity and flavor, and more lore, rather than more books.

  • MightyOrang

    One counterpoint to all this gushing about how GW ‘gets it’ again: where’s my CSM codex reboot?

    No, Traitors Hate doesn’t count.

    • Karru

      It’s better to just accept that CSM players will never get their 3.5 level of fun codex and will remain as the “Space Marines, but worse” category forever. That’s why I, and many more from the sounds of it, started to write my own books to use in the casual scene. It makes everything so much more fun.

      • LordRao

        Yes, but that does invalidate much of what the OP stated, and just underscores what MightyOrang wrote.

    • SupPupPup

      Might be one to kick off the next edition.

  • John Traupman

    Dude, awesome article. Always a hilarious read. Thanks for a great start to my morning

    • Thanks John! Thank you for reading my nonsense.

  • Richard Mitchell

    I think they will too, but release wise its something that might be further down the pipeline. This occurs with any game company that has a lot of diverse products within a single game and GW is managing two of them. So will SoB see an update akin to Death Watch? I bet. I think one thing GW has had to struggle with is how do you release “secondary” factions with “main” factions and still keep them profitable. It seems like the board game with booster packs and updated rules through other codices is the answer.

    • euansmith

      “Sisters of Battle: Burn, Heretic, Burn”, a game for all the family. Take control of a flamethrower toting space nun, and compete with your friends to be the first to burn 20 heretics as they attempt flee the Temple of Chaos.

      • JJ

        Hey now! Burning heretics has always been good clean family fun!

      • Victor Hartmann

        Sounds like fun!

        I’ll put in rotation with “Nuke ’em, the Family Game”!

  • Gabor Fazekas

    DE vs Sisters and i would be broke XD or maybe Orc vs Sister would be also good

  • ChubToad

    A Warrior Nun Areala look would be nice for sistahs. Just saying..

  • Emprah

    The postivie about Sisters:

    -All their tanks can be an SM Rhino with a different weapon kit.
    -Their basic infantry is all the same and could use the same chest/legs combo if they want to go cheap and forgo all the Seraphim dynamic entry styles they love so much for ASM.

    The problem is, their models are old. They would need to make a whole lot of sprues for the following:

    -Heads for different squads.
    -Different backpacks.
    -Different weapons.
    -Chestpieces for squad leaders/hero units.

    I think the problem is, they are not sure that the investment would be returned by sales and they do not want to risk it.
    Genestealers are already there for Tyranids as much needed allies who will be able to do some ranged combat. They can count on Nid players.
    X flavour of SM can easily be used by other SM players.
    The closest I think Sisters can get to that is Salamanders using their Immolators as special Razorbacks.

    The only model which they would need to rework to stay off the conservative controversy radar would be the Repentia, but 40k is just not mainstream enough to get any attention from the big stupid feminists. It is simply below the crazy feminist radar, for I doubt there is one of them who plays tabletop games and heard of 40k in any sort of way. Other companies get away with much more skimpier armies with their games, and fantasy elves have a much bigger “mainstream” picture yet prove no problems.

    Slaanesh and controversy is a much more valid excuse.

    • Andrew Thomas

      o.0 huh?

  • Dan

    GW might have given up the sauce but I think Age of Sigmar proves that they just put down the bottle and picked up the crack pipe in its place.

  • aka_mythos

    CSM player here and before anyone berates us, SOB need to be revisited more than CSM.

    The 40k setting is so heavily established by the aesthetic of the art. Even still the Imperial Guard look too anachronistic relative to the cityscapes they’re portrayed in and Space Marines intentionally have this stylized advanced look that verges on looking removed from that environment of the setting. On the tabletop Inquisition, Mechanicus, and SoB are the models ranges that best portray the aesthetic of the grim dark future of humanity. They add a certain cohesion between the models and the setting that elevate suspension of disbelief and advance the narrative of the setting. That’s why they need to return.

  • euansmith

    Another good one, Pimpcron. You’ve broken the ton on comments.

  • Scott Sprague

    Nothing – NOTHING – would get me back into 40K like new Sisters rules. I’ve got close to 500 unpainted Sisters, just sitting there, waiting…

    • The_Ordo_Malleus

      I’d suggest you start painting now by the time your done the new Codex will be out

  • Laurence J Sinclair

    A spiritu dominatus, domine libra nos…

  • polyquaternium7

    Still waiting for that one day those bad-ass plastic reinforcements arrive for my small army to burn the heretics with the holy trinity of Bolter, Flamer and Melta

  • John Jourden

    Yeah, ummmmm, and Chaos?

  • Andrew Thomas

    So, as you’re making the same argument Morpheus made in Reloaded, I guess that takeaway is that Sororitas coming back isn’t a matter of faith but rather a matter of time.

  • royalpain88

    WE DEMAND PLASTIC SISTERS!