40K: We Need Another Xenos Vs Xenos War Zone



It’s about time we got another good Xenos-centric 40K War Zone Supplement from Games Workshop.

Hey BoLS Readers, AdamHarry here and today I wanted to talk about something that’s been on my mind for a while now – Where’s the Xeno’s love from Games Workshop? I know we just got an awesome new Codex for the Genestealer Cults – that’s fantastic! But after reading through the majority of the book’s lore, I gotta wonder – why is almost every “campaign” always focused on the Imperium? Look at the last couple of releases for their “War Zone” series:

  • Black Crusade: Chaos Marines vs Blood Angels
  • War Zone Fenris: Space Wolves vs Chaos Demons
  • War Zone Damocles: Tau vs Space Marines/Astra Militarum
  • Shield of Baal: Tyranids vs Blood Angels
  • Stormclaw Box: Space Wolves vs Orks
  • Battle for Macragge – Ultramarines vs Tyranids

The list goes on…and if you go back even farther, just about every edition’s starter set featured Space Marines vs Xenos of some type.

complete-boxed-game-lo-resMarines vs Orks…It’s a Classic!

The last “big” Xenos vs Xenos Book was “Apocalypse Warzone: Valedor” way back in May of 2014. And I bet most folks forgot about that one:

60040199038_valedorengApocalypse? You mean standard 40k, right?

Here’s the thing – I get it. I understand from a business perspective why you want your literal Poster Boys fighting against the “Evil” Aliens. I get that Space Marines are the most popular army and they are the “safe bet” to slap on boxes to get people interested. I’m pretty sure every person who has ever heard of Warhammer 40,000 knows what a Space Marine is at this point. Heck, I’m willing to be most players have or have had a Space Marine force of some type during their career as a 40k player. It’s all about the money – I get it.

blood-angels-space-marineWe bring in the monies.

I also understand from a narrative perspective that it’s just easier to work with and write from the “human” point of view. It’s just simpler to tell a story from the eyes of a human than from the perspective of an Ork Warboss, a Necron Overlord, or even the Hive-mind of a Tyranid Fleet. But why can’t we have both?

What I would really love to see is another one of these “War Zone” style books/campaigns that pits two different Xenos forces against each other. Personally, I’d love to see an Ork vs Tyranid series. And before you say, “Orks vs Nids? Oh that will never happen,” I’d like to point out that it already has.

Octarius War


The Octarius War was a Major conflict between Hive Fleet Leviathan and the Ork Empire of Octarius. It was featured in a few sources like the Tyranid’s 5th Edition Codex and the Orks 4th Edition Codex. It starts with some Imperial misdirection which leads to a MASSIVE conflict between the two forces. It’s a great bit of lore that I’m not going to spoil here. You can read about that in the Lexicanum article.

What I really liked about this conflict is the way it was describing the combat from the top ranks (Nobs and Bosses vs Tyranid Warriors and Tyrants), to the basic foot sloggers (Boyz vs Gaunts), to the Squigs vs Rippers, Bio-Titans vs Squiggoths and even Tyranid Phage Cells attacking the Orkoid Spores. This was Warfare on EVERY level. There is even an epic Space Battle and all the way down to small scale squad skirmishes. It’s one of my favorite stories in all the Grim Dark.

The best part is that this is just one small story in the vast history of all things 40k. There are hundreds of these type of Xenos vs Xenos conflicts that have been or could be written about in the Lore. The Tau, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, and Tyranids have their own vendetta’s to settle and borders conflicts to fight – it doesn’t have to always be about the Imperium vs “Them” in the Grim Dark.

War In Heaven



Just as another example, the War in Heaven was an ancient conflict that basically set the stage for the Necron Race to exist. Looking at the conflict it’s easy to see how the Necrons and the Eldar could continue that war-by-proxy. I’d totally be up for a War Zone book/Campaign that featured the Necrons vs the Eldar as they battled over ancient secrets and powerful artifacts of that era. Besides that, it would be pretty great to explore the Mythology of the War in Heaven from both the Necron and Eldar Points-of-View.

Bring On The Xenos

Warhammer 40,000 has a fantastic universe that’s been built and it’s continuing to evolve. It’s been a living, breathing universe for almost 30 years at this point. I enjoy all the current 40k Imperial story lines that Games Workshop’s writers are weaving and I love that the Horus Heresy series is still going strong. I just feel like there is a giant hole in the way the Xenos forces are treated. I want to hear stories and see campaigns focused on how the Tau are dealing with the Tyranids encroaching on their space. Or how the Eldar are attempting to curb the Ork threats to their Craftworlds. Or how the Necrons are dealing with Dark Eldar raids on their Tomb Worlds. The potential is there Games Workshop – make it happen!



If you could pick the next War Zone, what would you pick and which two races would you like to see face off?

  • Insert_nickname_here

    Orks vs Necrons on the Gorkamorka planet. Make it so, GW.

    • grim_dork

      Necrons driving jalopies would be almost the best thing ever. . . .

      • Tomb blade vs ork biker drag races for pink slips!

    • Carey_Mahoney


    • memitchell

      They already “fluffed” it. The Orks lost.

  • eehaze


    Bring on the REAL end times, GW!

    • Imrahil

      True 🙂

    • EnTyme

      Two existential threats enter, one existential threat leaves!

      • euansmith

        And the new threat is the hybrid Nidcrons!

        • Ebsolom

          Necronids or Tyracrons?

      • Diagoras

        Whoever wins… We lose.


        Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.

    • memitchell

      Why would Tyranids fight Necrons? Why would necrons fight Tyranids? They have the same goal. The Necrons can simply sit back and let the Tyranids wipe out all life int eh Galaxy, and move on.

      • eehaze

        According to the Necrons’ 7e codex, the whole reason the Necrons are waking up is because the “Silent King” encountered Tyranid hive fleets while travelling between galaxies.

        • memitchell

          True. Don’t make a lot of sense, but it is there.

          • Benjamin E

            The Necron’s won’t be able to experiment on all the races of the galaxy to try to get their own bodies back, nor will they be able to harvest them all, if they’ve been eaten and digested. That’s the obvious reason for them to fight ‘Nids, it’s not tricky.

          • Jared van Kell

            Not only that but their bodies are still digestible. That is reason enough to attack as far as the Hive Mind is concerned.

  • BodyMassage

    Octarius campaign would be absolutely amazing! Orks vs ‘Nids? Not sure I could be any happier! This needs to happen!!!

    • euansmith

      Orkz vs Nids would be excellent. When the inedible force meets the bottomless stomach.

  • Deacon Ix

    Just more Xenos love please – I haven’t done the math but I imagine that Imperial Codexs outnumber non Imperium ones…

    • Walter Vining

      not counting supplements, its even actually. and that’s just going by pure memory and only actual codex books in print format, not digital

  • Defenestratus

    Hey I’ve got that Valedor book. Most of the formations still work great with the new Eldar book too.

  • CthulhuDawg

    Eldar vs. Necrons would be fluffy.

    • Mordkanin

      Eldar + Ork v. Necron would also be awesomely fluffy.

  • Mordkanin

    Any Necron love would be awesome. There are only two supplement books with them present, and they’re basically useless now.

    IA12 is unusable due to it being written for 5e ‘crons, and with the FAQ boning over the Conclave (Let’s face it, it’s only worth it with the Nightbringer), there’s literally nothing worth while left in the Exterminatus book.

  • Valeli

    IMHO having a xenos vs xenos boxed set/campaign is a total non-priority. The “good guy vs bad guy” stuff does sell better, and make for an easier way to pull people in anyways.

    What we need is (continued) attention on the xenos in a broader sense. The Genestealer Cult release is great, and Eldar seem to never be too neglected, but higher levels of support for some of the other guys definitely would be a good thing.

    (To be fair, the imperium has factions that are neglected too… the problem isn’t really a huge imperium bias, it’s simply a huge space marine bias. They have far too many individual rule sets imo…. but it’s not the kind of thing you can role back anymore, because too many people have become too invested in chapter X. So the support is really required. Which is highly problematic.)

    • Not really. They’ve done it before in axing the Black Templars as their own codex – they could likely do it with almost every other marine book, too.

      • The Rout

        HERESY! but seriously i tend to agree, both BA and DA could be rolled into the codex without any real issue. I think GK, SW and Deathwatch are distinct enough to need their own though.

        Eldar are battle brothers and they have 3 factions including Harleys. I would like to see more of this for other Xenos armies similar to Battletomes in AoS. tau Kroot mini dex, Snotling/ Squid mini dex etc. That way the scales would be a lot more balanced.

    • Benjamin E

      Orks vs Imperial Guard campaign boxed set. introducing *drumroll* Plastic Armageddon Steel Legion!

  • Sonic tooth

    i will never see space marines as heroes or the imperium as “the good guys” no matter what gw keeps trying to convince me. i only like/have an interest in the imperium in the fantastic horus heresy setting but after that, noooooo……i love the eldar and the necrons, and from my point of view the nids are far more terrifying than boring chaos!

  • ZeeLobby

    I’d kill for some Tyranids vs Dark Eldar action. I play neither, but imagine if the Hive Mind found a way into Commorragh. I mean there’s so many ways things can be taken other than “imperial system invaded, imperials fight back!”

    • euansmith

      Eldar and Dark Eldar vs the ‘nids for the fate of the Webway could be really cool.

      • __

        That is pretty much the premise of War Zone Valedor, maybe you should give it a read?

    • Carey_Mahoney

      Would also be a neat opportunity for GW to produce some DE terrain themselves.
      Although the non-GW stuff out there is already good.

      • The Rout

        I think xenos and chaos scenery would be nice, most if not all of it looks very imperial. there are cool examples and you can convert obviously but i would love to be able to fight on an actually alien battlefield.

        • Carey_Mahoney

          There are plenty of companies out there producing very cool inofficial 40k Xenos terrain.
          Or maybe I just got you wrong and you already know about that…?

          • The Rout

            i know about the third party stuff i’d like GW to actually pull their finger out and start producing it with rules preferably.

  • Painjunky

    I be happy with something or FRIGGIN ANYTHING for dark eldar. You remember dark eldar GW??? Thought not.

    GW are terrified that no muhreens means no sales.

    • Mr.Fister

      I ‘memba! ‘Memba Sisters of Battle?

      • Shawn Pero

        Ohh, I love Sistas of Battle! ‘Memba Squats?

        • kobalt60

          Squats were cool, Memba trikes?

    • Aezeal

      THey have been massacred by necrons behind the scenes.. didnt’ you get the memo?

    • Mordkanin

      Necron v. Dark Eldar would be fun. Maybe a Necrons-invade-the-webway type deal.

  • Carl Tuttle

    Or what you could do is use any of the numerous campaign systems from the HH books or even from Imperial Armour 12 and craft your own Xenos narrative campaign quite easily!

  • Aezeal

    Most 40K maps have the empire occupying the map. Empire is just the central thing. But I don’t understand why guard doesn’t feature more in all these problems. Every planet should have a million guard for every space marines that come fight there.

    So a guard/inquisition fighting Tau/Necrons with eldars medling would be nice, and when things go bad Space marines come to the rescue.

  • polyquaternium7

    THIS !!! we need more xenos on xenos action

  • Andrew Thomas

    While I’d maintain that the game needs less Apocalypse material (because everyone is pretty adamant that Apocalypse is deader than dead and should stay that way), I would love to see them take another crack at making CSMs and Orks suck less, to wit, a Warzone: Cyclops Cluster would be awesome, and would also give more options for representing boarding actions and focusing on fighting in dense terrain.

  • Joka

    That is something I support on so many levels.
    But, if i can raise the stakes: Xenos vs Chaos would be great too: something even three way like necrons vs eldar vs chaos. The three faction hate one another and the xenos ones have in their goals to obliterate the other two. Here literally chaos could be the most reasonable faction (as in “taking the spot usually reserved for Tau”) while the other two go Jihad on them and on eachother.
    A massive conflict that would see at most sprinkles of other forces interventions (Dark eldar raids, imperials trying to understand what’s going on, some orks havin’ fun) while the big three obliterate a star sistem or two.

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Hey, Adam Harry: Don’t forget the Sisters in Shield of Baal.

  • OolonColluphid

    GW is too afraid to try anything different. They seem to have forgotten that the AdMech had entire military arms all to themselves until recently.
    As cool as an Octarius War campaign would be, the execs are so risk adverse that they’d never do it. We might even get to see the second coming of The Beast.

    I’d still like to see rules for the Great Crusade but it Forge World missed a huge opportunity there.

  • Keaton

    Totally agree. If you can’t do that, at least let the imperium ally with one of the xenos they can tolerate like Eldar or Tau. End times call for desperate measures after all.

    • Keaton

      Or Tau v Chaos. Chaos is entirely unknowable to Tau. If they thought “mind science” was weird, Chaos is going to realllllly up the ante.