Blood Bowl: The Retired Teams

 

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As Blood Bowl prepares for it’s triumphant return we wanted to take a look at some of the teams that probably won’t be coming back.

We know Blood Bowl is coming soon thanks to the GW coverage and videos that are growing by the day.  The game has an impressive pedigree, kicking off it’s 1st edition in 1986!

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Over the years it’s popularity have waxed and waned as has the attention lavished (or withheld) by GW. Here’s the basics via Wikipedia:

First Edition

Released in 1986, the first edition of Blood Bowl was a simple game that used many of the elements of Games Workshop’s existing tabletop games. Players in the first edition boxed set were represented by small pieces of cardboard illustrated with their likeness. Citadel Miniatures did release metal miniatures to represent players for 1st edition.

 

Second Edition

The second edition of Blood Bowl, released in 1988, began to move Blood Bowl away from the battlefield mechanics of other Games Workshop systems and toward more brutal sports-oriented play. The game included plastic 28 mm miniatures of Orcs and Humans, with another set of metal miniatures available from Citadel Miniatures to represent most (but not all) of the other races.

 

Third Edition

A new edition was released in 1994, radically changing the game play from the complex, lengthy second edition game to the simpler, more dramatic third edition game. Key changes were a set number of turns and the turnover rule. These changes increased the pace of the game and allowed it to be played within the span of around 2 hours.

 

Fourth Edition, rule updates and Living Rulebook

In 2001 the 4th edition rules, with corrections and retitled 4th Edition Gold, were placed on the Games Workshop website as a downloadable pdf file, and Johnson announced that the rules were now “experimental” and announced the creation of the Blood Bowl Rules Committee (BBRC), a group of Blood Bowl players, some GW staff, most not, that would look at the rules once a year and produce new official rules changes and experimental rules for possible inclusion in the future rules changes. The BBRC would meet in October each year, and their first release was the Living Rule Book 1 (LRB1).

Copies of the fourth edition of the game, physically released in 2002, are almost identical to the third edition. All pieces remain the same; distinguishable elements include the 2002 copyright date and the editorial change from two rulebooks in third edition, both with play scenes on the cover (“Handbook” for core rules and “DeathZone” for background information and alternate or optional advanced rules), to the same material (updated to fourth edition rules) in a single “Handbook” (with the Blood Bowl trophy on blue background on the cover).

Fifth Edition

The new edition that is coming shortly, with Humans and Orcs in the box.

The New Edition has a fantastic set of all new miniatures coming with new teams promised.  While a new Blood Bowl is set in a somewhat fuzzy the older editions were set in a very different Warhammer/Blood bowl universe than exists now.  It’s uncertain where the new edition’s teams will be drawn from. for example might we see a Stormcast Eternal faction one day?

Lost Teams

Enough of the background, we want to give you a taste of some of the older teams that probably won’t make the transition to the new edition for obvious reasons.  Let’s go!

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Hmm, maybe not the best choice for a team to be brought back into the light of day in 2016…

 

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I would LOVE to see the Chaos Dwarfs return to the pitch, but it would seem a stretch… also no cheerleader!

 

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Now the Rotters should certainly make a triumphant return, but the Norse are probably only icy memories at this point.

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If Settra is lost for ever in the sands of Khemri along with his discontinued model range, I doubt the Tomb Kings team is returning.

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OK, maybe, just maybe  – but I would think a generic Undead team is a safer guess than a specifically Vampire themed team.  I think these folks are best left with the memories of Sylvania.

~ Gotta love those Cheerleaders!

  • Ebsolom

    What about the Halfling team? Are they still around in AoS? I got caught out a few times by those little fellows being launched by a Treeman into my end zone : )

    • euansmith

      The player with the cooking pot on his head was a great little mini.

    • Cultist4341

      There’s a picture of a Halfling ref or something floating around. So maybe.

      • Nogle

        Maybe they can throw us a bone as make a ref for each of these

    • Simon

      Doesn’t really matter whether they’re around in AoS as this game takes place in the Old World prior to the End Times.

      • indeed. which means GW could release a ton of new minis for all those teams.

      • Horus84cmd

        It takes part in a ENTIRELY separate world. Nothing to do with AOS, nothing to do with the Old World or the End Times where the races are a war. It is a Old World where there is peace through the game of Blood Bowl!

      • Carey_Mahoney

        Whereas I wouldn’t mind if they’d make an AoS version of it, placing the game in the AoS fluff and releasing some new teams accordingly. Could give it some nice new accents (not that it needed it, but why not).

      • Ciaphas Cain

        Actually it takes place in a DIFFERENT Old World one that the End Times never happened because everyone was too busy playing Blood Bowl.

    • Dog Welder

      I was watching a game where Griff Oberwald was killed by a thrown halfling. It doesn’t get better than that.

      • Jo Go

        i read this in the voice of the color commentator from the video game and it was perfect

      • Ciaphas Cain

        Any game where Griff bites it is a good game.

  • The_Illusionist

    I think it would be pretty egregious if the board game didn’t reflect the teams that were also available in the most recent video game version of Blood Bowl. That’s where the biggest audience has been for the last…. what, 8 years? So they’d have to be crazy to stop people from buying models and accessories for their favourite virtual teams.

    Similarly, while GW has occasionally appeared to be as indifferent to Cyanide’s interpretation of the game as they have been with a lot of other adaptations, Blood Bowl 2 seems very different. GW have adopted the same art style from the video game for their rereleased novels and the new boardgame, for example, and rumour is they’re going to be using a similar ruleset.

    At the very least, Norse should be making a return along with Nurgle, since they’re pretty popular and already in the public notice. You’re probably right about Amazons, however even so that’s nothing that a decent modeller couldn’t fix, updating their… “uniform” to something more appropriate =P

    (And they absolutely should – Amazons are a GREAT team!)

    • Ak318

      Well to be honest the video game is not where they are at least getting the rules inspiration from. The Specialist Games team took the fan rules that the community had been using since the range got discontinued which was basically 4.5 ed.

      • Simon

        They said in the unboxing video that the rules for the upcoming board game were the same as the rules in the Blood Bowl 2 video game.

        • Ciaphas Cain

          So the LRB?

      • The_Illusionist

        I believe that BB2 is essentially LRB 6.5 and the new Blood Bowl game will be LRB 6.6? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re intended to be very similar.

        • Darkson

          Blood Bowl the tabletop game will be what was called the CRP (i.e. the last official version [or “nearly LRB6”]) with a few minor differences – the human catcher being reduced to 60k being the biggest change we know about. BB2 the video game uses the core CRP rules but has it’s own changes (Bank, Brettonians, changes to the pre- and post-match order).

          Whether BB2 changes to follow the new tabletop version remains to be seen (though given the speed Cyanide have patched and updated the game so far, I’d guess at no.)

          • Ciaphas Cain

            What the hell is the CRP?

            LRB is what it was called.

          • Darkson

            Wrong. The last official version (the one hosted by GW until last year) was named the CRP – “Competition Rules Pack”. It was based off of what was going to be the BBRC’s LRB6.

          • Ciaphas Cain

            Ok my bad, I’d never heard the term CRP before.

            You learn something new everyday.

      • Ciaphas Cain

        The LRB is the official Specialist games rules. It’s not some horror show fan made drivel that is just a bunch of someones house rules that ruins the spirit of the game like Coreheim and the Necromunda ‘Community’* Edition.

        Please don’t insult it like that.

        *for community read the voices that scream the loudest in one forum.

        • Darkson

          LRB “WAS” the official SG rules, but GW disbanded the BBRC and stopped the rules being “Living”, and took what was planned as LRB6 and produced the CRP, which was the last official version hosted on the GW website till last year.

          • Ciaphas Cain

            Well know I know. And knowing is half the battle.

            The other half is violence.

    • LordRao

      Most of the supposedly discontinued teams could be modelled from GW’s existing ranges relatively easily., especially the VC, Nurgle’s Rotters and Norse. The Chaos Dwarfs require a bit more work (and cash if you’re going for FW models). The TK can be made from any number of other manufacturers’ undead ranges, notably Mantic.
      The only one I wouldn’t know where to start with is the Amazons. I don’t know many ranges that have good Aztec/Inca female miniatures. If someone does, please let me know.

      • madphil101

        Try black scorpion for an alt set.
        Or rolljordan

      • The_Illusionist

        Succubus Studios have a female Norse team which look awesome as Amazons. RN Estudios have a more typically-jungle-clad Amazon team which is also very nice.

        • LordRao

          Ty madphil and Illusionist, will certainly check those out.
          Keep ’em coming guys.

  • Barabas Dantioch

    “the older teams that probably won’t make the transition to the new edition”

    Translation note: We have no idea if this is true or not, but we’re going to post it for page views anyway

    • LordRao

      The OP writes ‘probably’, and so is completely clear that he doesn’t know for sure.

    • ErgonomicCat

      I usually enjoy BoLS articles, but this was 4 paragraphs of Wikipedia followed by.pictures of teams. I have no idea why any of those wouldn’t make it, and there’s no attempt to explain.

    • The_Illusionist

      Would be nice to know WHY they think these teams won’t reappear. I mean, I can understand why 1980’s bikini-wearing, scantily-clad Amazons might be frowned upon in 2016, but the Blood Bowl lore is completely separate to 8th Edition, let alone Age of Sigmar. All of these teams, and more, still exist and there are still rules for them, so why not?
      “They just won’t, okay?” is not the sort of journalistic argument that I was hoping for.

      • Laurence J Sinclair

        Heh, those amazon models aren’t from the 80s! They were out in 2001…

        • Carey_Mahoney

          I think the were already released prior to that and 2001 was only a re-release. I’m not 100% sure, but I think a Citadel Journal from 1998 already featured them and they weren’t new anymore then already.
          I have to check that back, don’t want to give some false info here.

          • Ciaphas Cain

            Nope they are much newer than all that they are based on the Mordheim Amazons from what 2003?

  • Roughneck

    They aren’t lost at all!
    Mark Bedford has already show sketches for the nurgle team at wargammerfest etc, also at the AoS open day he confirmed they would be done in resin by Forgeworld.
    So everyone please don’t buy into the scaremongering.

    • euansmith

      It is people like you who kill the ebay market 😀 😀 😀 Well done.

      • Roughneck

        Isn’t that a good thing 😉

  • NNextremNN

    Why not the amazons? Okey they show a bit skin but it’s less than slaanesh deamons and it fits the team/theme quite nice. So I’d say go Team amazons!!!

    • Ciaphas Cain

      Yes this is slutshaming!

  • Odsox

    Amazons: “Hmm, maybe not the best choice for a team to be brought back into the light of day in 2016…”

    Right now we’re seeing more updated and re-designed “classic” models than ever; as long as GW has a competent designer on the team, I don’t see why the Amazons shouldn’t get their own team again.

    Personally I’m looking forward to this so I can play Skaven again. I missed out on Blood Bowl the first four times around, so this is very encouraging.

    • Commissar Molotov

      You’re gonna love their speed;

      You’re gonna hate how easily they get broken.

  • Commissar Molotov

    Aw, man. The Chaos Dwarf team was awesome – great blocking and tons of speed and strength with the Bull Centaurs.

    • euansmith

      The Hobgoblins are full of character.

      • Ciaphas Cain

        I love that one of the preset Chaos Dwarf Teams in the PC game is the infamously terrible and uninspiring named ‘Hobgoblin Team’

  • zeno666

    No Amazons, of course not.
    GW can’t (and won’t) sculpt women.

    • Severius_Tolluck

      The Misogyny runs deep!

  • Simon

    Have you looked at http://www.bloodbowl.com/players-and-teams/?

    The human team is the Reikland Reavers, and there are no stats for teams past 2495 (The Gouged Eye won the Blood Bowl that year). The End Times started at the earliest in 2519, and continued to at least 2527 (as shown in White Dwarf).

    This game takes place in the Old World, not during the Age of Sigmar.

    • euansmith

      One would hope that the Blood Bowl teams would keep playing to the bitter end; with Griff Oberwald fending off opponents as he carries the final ball in to the exploding heart of the dying Universe.

      • Joshua Overbeck

        Blood Bowl took place in an alternate universe anyways, so it’s not like the End Times would effect them regardless.

      • Simon

        Classic Griff

    • Ciaphas Cain

      It also takes place in a different parallel universe.

  • Darkson

    What a waste of space, especially as at least two GW employees involved with bring the game back have said that ALL the team in the CRP (the last official rules) plus probably Underworld and Chaos Pact will be in the game (though not at launch) and it all points to this article being at best a waste of space, at worst blatant scaremongering.

    • euansmith

      “… blatant scaremongering.”

      Or politics as it is known 😉

    • Ciaphas Cain

      Khorne not Chaos Pact you mean?

      • Darkson

        No, I mean Pact.

        • Ciaphas Cain

          Oh Sub league supplements like in the Old BB Mag would rock.

  • Severius_Tolluck

    For those arguing about this being the old world or AoS.. It is neither. It is an alternate reality where they found they can solve most differences through the game of BloodBowl. They have fast food and speakers, and video recording. It’s all tongue and cheek. It has no canonical ties beyond the races themselves to the core game…
    So you could have old world stuff, and new stuff, anything in between. So long as they or the community makes rules for it!

  • grendal1989

    Bloodbowl doesn’t take place in the Old World prior to AoS. Its a separate, parallel if you will, universe. So it is irrelevant if the faction made it to AoS as long as Forge World is involved. Its not like the kits can be used in AoS or 40k anyway.

  • Simon Chatterley

    You can take my Norse but you can never take my…..HALFLINGS!

  • Matteo

    i think that all old team returns on new Blood Bowl, for sure!

  • Chad Underdonk

    Orc Cheerleaders FTW!

    • Ciaphas Cain

      *shudder*

  • silashand

    This is IMO unjustified speculation. Pulled the following from TFF:

    At GW’s Warhammer Fest this weekend, Andy Hoare and James Hewitt were in attendance. Andy is Head of the Specialist Games Division, and James is heading up the development of Blood Bowl. Many people have posted the results of their conversations on social media, and JT-Y has given lots of the detail here. Hopefully this is the best summary of various sources, and will be updated as more information is released. We won’t reproduce pictures, but have linked to them at the bottom.
    – BB will be released at the latest Q1 2017, though more likely to be 2016.
    – The box set will contain orc and human teams (12 player, starter teams) and the core rules, 2 double sided dugouts and one double sided pitch giving both orc and human themes, 2 sets of dice one blue and one green (3x Block, 2x D6, 1x D8 and 1x D16, the designs are which are still being finalised), 4 Star player cards (Griff, Zug, Varag & Morg), team tokens to use for turn, reroll, score etc, throw, scatter and throw in templates and the first part of an eventually complete set of Special Play cards.
    – There will also be a set of transfers with numbers etc.
    – The core rules will be the CRP. There will be no changes. This has been confirmed a great many times.
    – League rules will be part of a Death Zone supplement book, released on the same day as the box set. The DZ supplement will contain full rosters for 7 teams, some of which will be released in plastic and some in resin: Nurgle, Dwarf, Skaven, and Elf Union (Pro Elf). It will also contain rules and complete backgrounds for 20 Star Players, a couple of whom are new additions.
    – League rules are the same as the CRP, so once again the game remains the game we know and love. However, additional content has been added. Some of this was written by Jervis a few years ago, some is new. The intention is to add more narrative and more fun to leagues, adding new ways to play. This will very much be the theme going forward; to add to league play with variations and options whilst sticking with the core game we know and love.
    – There are more supplements planned and more content to come. Supplements will bring in more rosters we recognise from the CRP complete with new models, along with new and old star players, all in resin, until all 21 teams are available, and more.
    – Special Play cards will be released in due course, along with Star Player cards, again to give a complete deck.
    – The rate at which new supplements is released depends upon sales and being able to fit them into the release schedule alongside AoS and 40k releases.
    – There is no reason to expect new teams to follow Cyanide’s past releases. The team have their own plans influenced by their love of the game and the setting.
    – Plastic teams will be added to with resin releases to fill out positionals, Big Guys, etc..
    – Star Players will be released in Resin.
    – Some plastic teams will receive resin conversion kits which will enable players to build famous teams should they wish. These teams may be supported by additional rules in later league supplements.
    – The pitch will have 34mm squares, rather than the current 29mm, but the square count will be the same. The total length will be about 13cm longer than currently (26 x 5mm). The box will contain a larger range ruler to match the larger squares, made in hard plastic rather than the classic flexible one. The board in the box will be hard cardboard, double sided with 2 different pitches, and folding into 6.
    – Bases for the new figures are 32mm, which is a style choice. – – — There is nothing preventing the use of 25mm bases or any size you choose. Size of miniatures is also a style choice.
    – The miniatures are slightly larger than in previous editions, but we must remember that the previous edition was released in 1994. To give an idea of scale, the humans are about 30mm to the eye level, the same scale as current 40k Guardsmen. Orcs are the same size as current orcs for other ranges, and Black orcs are big, bad ST4 models.
    – The miniatures’ bases will have holes in that the ball can be attached to. There are a lot of balls in the starter set, and balls have their own optional rules based on who they belong to (biting orc squig ball?).
    – The setting remains the same. What does that mean? Well, Blood Bowl has always been set in an alternative Warhammer World where football has replaced war. It’s a grim, darkly humorous pastiche of the Warhammer setting and that isn’t changing. More importantly it is being expanded upon by a team of people who have known and loved the Warhammer World for many years. As an example Eldril Sidewinder has had his original background restored, he is a Sea Elf Wardancer turned to football, and his Hypnotic Gaze is a racial ability to mesmerize others that Wood and Sea Elf Wardancers possessed in WFB 3rd edition.
    – There will be new pitches, possibly even in neoprene (mouse mat material). The plan is to release racial pitches to tie in with all the teams. Also, there is a hidden Easter Egg present on all pitches which in due course might give a hint to potential new DungeonBowl league rules still in the planning stages.
    – The Specialist Brands Studio plans to support the community through supporting gaming and events, be they in stores or elsewhere. Plans are being laid to offer sideline staff as exclusive miniatures at events or for a set period of time, something Forge World already does with its Event Exclusive miniatures.
    – No information yet on price points, although the starter set has been kept deliberately light to ensure the price point is much lower than some other recent releases.

  • Carey_Mahoney

    There used to be rules for a Snotling team, a Goblin team and a Hafling team (as mentioned already in one of the comments here), too. I don’t think that these will ever return to the BB pitch either. Maybe a Greenskin team, incorporating Goblins and Snotlings, but not purely one of these, at least not Snotlings.
    I think these rules were included either in the BloodBowl Compendium or in the Deadzone supplement.

    • Carey_Mahoney

      Oh, and there was the Forest Folk team, whose rules were released in an issue of The Citadel Journal. Won’t return either, but maybe there will be a Sylvaneth team, which would probably be the closest thing to the Forest Folk. Could turn out to be quite cool.

    • Darkson

      Goblins and Halflings are still in the rules, and will return. Snotlings are now part of the Ogre team and will return as well.

      • Carey_Mahoney

        Oh, okay. Sounds dangerous… Ogres might easily squash a Snotling or two beneath their feet…

      • Carey_Mahoney

        Oh, okay. Sounds dangerous… Ogres might squash a Snotling or two beneath their feet…

  • Ciaphas Cain

    Why would any of those go away? AoS is not the Blood Bowl Old World, they are different realities that diverged at a certain point.

    Also someone forgot to tell FW the Chaos Dwarfs are not in AoS…

  • twincast

    Once more BoLS prove that they don’t read their own news posts.