GW: Made To Order Next Wave Suggestions

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Games Workshop is looking for suggestions for their next Made to Order wave – and they have a theme!

via Games Workshop (AoS Facebook)

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Our Made to Order service has already brought back dozens of Warhammer 40,000 miniatures, and soon, Warhammer Age of Sigmar will get its turn.

So we want to know: what would you like to see?

We’re looking for suggestions for any older models for factions within the Grand Alliance: Order book – Aelfs, Free Peoples, Seraphon, Sylvaneth, Duardin – whatever. If there are any models for those armies that are out of production, but you would still like to add to your force, let us know, and we’ll see what we can do.

Head to their Facebook Page to comment and leave your ideas

The theme is of course “Order” models that are out of print. That’s a pretty big chunk! Order consists of all the factions formerly called:

  • The Empire
  • Bretonnia
  • High Elves
  • Wood Elves
  • Dark Elves
  • Lizardmen
  • Dwarfs

With a back catalog of models that span over 30 years there are quite a few models to choose from. Now, I don’t think that all of the early models are up for a reprinting but you never know.

If I had a pick I’d want the Elf Ranger Model back from Warhammer Quest:

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This was one of my first models and while the pose is a bit dated now it’s still one of my favorite models.

So what old school models would you want back? Let us know in the comments below and be sure to post your actual suggestions on GW’s Facebook Page.

 

There are quite a few models to choose from – where to start!?

  • Tank Rothchild

    Bring back Warhammer Fantasy.

    • Horus84cmd

      1. Well that didn’t take long – two comments in. Well done you!

      2. Gosh you know what….you can still play WFB! No one is stopping you OR your gaming group doing so.

      • Karru

        I must admit, as someone who is still slightly bitter about AoS replacing Fantasy, seeing these comments got old fast long ago.

        Fantasy is gone, for now at least. Maybe we will see GW do some sort of reboot of it one day, but for now it’s gone and people posting comments of the same type that OP did should seriously just stop.

        If you want to see GW bring fantasy back, start emailing them questions about it. In a polite manner, mind you. At some point they might realise that there is still quite the market for Fantasy players and making something for it might be a good idea.

        • SupPupPup

          I would like them to bring back to Old world in some form, either as mordheim or more novels, or even something like the hobbit or 30k. A forgeworld exclusive.

          • Karru

            That actually sounds quite likely. If not Fantasy as it was, they might do something like AoS R&F game. They might be able to make it work.

        • ragelion

          Honestly I can see forgeworld picking it up as well.

      • Alan C

        Dude, the Sigmar police would totally stop him. I’ve heard when someone tries to play WFB, they just show up, kick over your tables, and drink whatever orange soda you have laying around. True story.

        • Horus84cmd

          I heard that it was more like Negan from the walking dead. They just whistle and and bash two of your mates skulls in with barbwire wrapped measuring sticks.

          • Karru

            That sounds about right.

      • frankelee

        No one is stopping people from playing Age of Sigmar either, but it’s still not happening.

      • Apart from GW stopping to sell entire ranges of factions, throwing the leftover armybooks in the bin and so on.

        The problem with WHFB isn’t that you can’t play with your existing collections anymore, it is that you’re hard-pressed to ever expand them once the remaining kits are cycled out, and that you will unlikely be able to recruit new players. It is that the entire range of WHFB novels went out of print and series were canceled halfway through.

        • SupPupPup

          Many of these were problems Fantasy already had to be fair.

          • The company made many strategic errors with WHFB, yup. Not least of all their almost complete lack of marketing for it. You’d read articles in WD about new Black Library novels for 40k, for example, but WHFB stuff, even Gotrek & Felix, their longest-running series by that point, barely got a namedrop under new releases or their blogs. It was infuriating to watch, especially seeing how many authors tried pitching new stuff to them.

          • SupPupPup

            Sure, but the game was inherently hard to get into, and the lore was somewhat inaccessible.

          • I can’t for the life of me see where the lore was “somewhat inaccessible”. Looking at Age of Sigmar, which is a convoluted mess made up from deus ex machinae left and right, WHFB is very tame and easy to get into.

            The game was inherently hard to get into, yes, but that, too, was down to GW. They compounded the problem even further by increasing the regiment width from 4 to 5 models in 8th while lowering unit boxes from being 12-24 models to 5 or 10, at the same or higher price, and increasing the potential impact of magic to make larger units pretty much mandatory. All the game actually needed was a few decent starter sets along with a bit of downscaling.

            The things that brought it down were by GW’s own design, more so than the game itself.

          • Karru

            Fantasy lore was never inaccessible. It was your standard Fantasy setting, super easy to get into. AoS on the other hand is an utter mess that I can’t make heads or tail out of. Only way to summarise it is to say “it’s Magic: The Gathering, but remove all the interesting parts from it.”

          • I’ve come to more or less accept AoS as basically being a setting to not grow attached to. It feels inconsequential to me, with characters existing for their storyarc and no further, and the same goes for locations, kingdoms and what not, to an even greater extent. The stories still have me want to facepalm often with their surprising deus ex machinae though.

          • SupPupPup

            Magic the Gathering has a story?

          • Karru

            It does, actually. Very good one at that. They made the dimensional world very interesting and varied. It has a lot of interesting characters, stories and event happening all the time. All blocks are usually story based. They focus around certain event and/or world within the lore. It’s actually very interesting, especially compared to AoS.

            Every world has very interesting background and theme to them. They are VERY varied and not only include unique races and factions in them, they also operate very differently from each other. It’s not just massive fighting between two factions.

          • SupPupPup

            I was being a bit facetious there. I’ve read a few novels (admittedly quite a few years ago, and it all felt just a melodramatic as the AoS stuff).

            The quality of the writing was there, but the narrative flow felt stilted. I think it was really hampered the context of ‘sets’. As if there could never be a satisfying climax.

          • SupPupPup

            I’m certainly not saying its any better for AoS. Its very messy, with most of the lore being in expensive novels.

            The game that replaced it is muddled, but doesn’t mean that fantasy was easy to get into.

            As a new player, the sources of fluff were:

            The Rule book: A very expensive and large tome, which gave a general synopsis.

            Your Armybook. Which would only give you access to your specific races’ stories, and maybe a few from their nemesis. (A starting player, wouldn’t splash out on multiple ones)

            And maybe just to be sure, a Gotrex and Felix novel, Which gives an amazingly authentic sense of the world, but feels somewhat independent from the main lore (I’m talking about the weird alien bug thing that for some reason in shoved in).

            That’s rather a lot of of time and money to invest before you can understand whats going on.

          • You can basically pick up ANY WHFB novel besides The End Times or the middle of a series (and even then probably could) and get by easily. It worked for people who don’t even normally read fantasy when I recommended them, say, Warhammer Heroes novels, or Time of Legends.

            Unlike 40k where a ton of explanations are necessary to even just explain what a Space Marine is to complete newcomers, there is barely any barrier to grasping WHFB. People know orcs, goblins, ratmen, lizardmen, the various elves, dwarves… They are self-explanatory and simple, with relatable environments and characters. You wanted to read about vampires? The Von Carstein trilogy, the Red Duke, or even Genevieve had you covered. Bounty hunters? Brunner. Elves? The Sundering, or Defenders of Ulthuan, mayhaps? More comedy? Gotrek & Felix. There were novels to tackle all races in one way or another.

            I had no trouble whatsoever figuring out the world bit by bit when I started out, either. I bought a Lizardmen armybook and it told me all I needed to know about my army, and how it overlapped and interacted with other forces by giving me a timeline and fluff on wars. What did I care what happened somewhere else far away from Lustria in the first instance? It was enough to know what other races existed, and that was immediately obvious.

            Nevermind the success of Total War: Warhammer, which has gotten thousands of newcomers invested in WHFB’s setting and factions already.

          • SupPupPup

            Its a bit of an exception with lizardmen. They are pretty isolationist in the lore.

            I think you’re thinking of it too much from your own narrow experience of pop culture. Kids really aren’t raised on fantasy anymore.

            While there is Warcraft and the ever popular MOBAs, there isn’t a great deal of fantasy tropes out there anymore.

            Orcs, Goblins, Dwarfs and Elves aren’t as strong tropes as we once knew.
            It might be because I spend a lot of time teaching kids about fantasy writing, but in my experience very few of them have ever even seen a Lord of the Rings film.

          • A friend of mine started along with me, picked Khemri. Another picked Dwarves. Same experiences there, they had no issues with it. Kids are generally very quick to absorb details about their hobbies without issue, once they get hooked on some angle of it all.

            I call bogus on the “fantasy isn’t so big anymore” point. Low fantasy has gotten bigger, of course, but there are plenty of fantasy franchises still out there. Orcs, dwarves and elves have become archetypes that are immediately recognizable and often reused in games and novels. If you talk about elves, you have either the fairy-like ones or the pointy-eared tall and graceful beings in front of you. They’re deeply ingrained in our culture at this point.

            English isn’t my native language either, and it took me months to get through my first english WHFB novel. I grew up on Tolkien and co, and see the influence of his works all over.
            I have more trouble finding young folk who have watched Star Wars than Lord of the Rings, to be honest. And that didn’t prevent Disney from buying it up and making two new movies already and get a new generation into the franchise.
            I will say though that I believe Game of Thrones has done a lot of harm to fantasy in the long run, because it skewed expectations from high fantasy to low fantasy for a lot of newcomers. They expect brutal plots of backstabbing and all and struggle with the more poetic and epic takes.

          • SupPupPup

            I think with the new starwars films out. The number of young people who haven’t seen something starwarsy will soon shrink to quite a small percentage.

            We recently talked about scifi vs fantasy in class, and the crossover in starwars. There was only one girl in my 3 classes who hadn’t seen anything starwars related. Many of them had only seen the animated series, or played the games.

            One child played warhammer 40k and another 2 brothers played Age of Sigmar.

          • Karru

            The difference is that it’s super easy to explain Fantasy lore to someone.

            “Take almost every stereotypic fantasy race from different worlds and place them into one world. You have two major human factions, one is your arthurian legend style knights and the other is your renaissance era style who use steam and gunpowder.”

            “Then you have Elves, three different sorts in fact. High Elves are your noble ones. These are they guys who dress in bright white ropes and be the general good guy Elves. Then you have your Wood Elves, these are the traditional elves that live in the woods and use forces of nature to their advantage. Finally, Dark Elves. High Elves but their Darker cousins, sadistic murderers, enough said.”

            “Then you have your Dwarfs, like their mines, live in the mountains, the standard. Orks, violent conquerors who live to fight.”

            I’d dare to say that even if the lore was inaccessible for someone who had no idea what was going on, it was super easy to explain. That was just a small synopsis of things. If you had ever touched any fantasy story, you already had something to grab into in the Old World.

            Now, if I asked someone to explain to me AoS world and the factions within, it turns into a massive lecture that almost puts explaining Metal Gear story to someone. “We have Dwarfs, but they are split into different factions for no apparent reason, while you have some Elves liking each other like Dark Elves and High Elves but some of those don’t like each other.”

            It’s a massive clusterf u c k to explain. I have no idea what’s going on with it. Even after over a year of AoS, I have still no basic grasp of that lore. It makes no sense, there is nothing to grasp to.

          • Karru

            The largest complaint I EVER heard from Fantasy was the price. I never found the marketing being the issue, every new players in our club had heard about it and we even had some who wanted to play it.

            They never got outside the “starting point” unfortunately. 8th edition made the game night unplayable for new players. The pricing policy changes and other decisions that GW did during those days were the last nail in the coffin.

            8th edition was focused around large infantry formations. This was a huge problem since it meant that the guy with the most models had a distinct advantage of never running away. They were always Steadfast. Outside Bretonnian Knights and Chaos Knights, cavalry was useless. They didn’t have ranks or the damage to do anything, even when flanking. Fast Cavalry was the only thing that ever saw use thanks to their ability to move fast around the enemy formations and harass small ranged units or war machines.

            Monsters suffered the same fate. No ranks, no steadfast. Didn’t matter that you killed 6 models from the unit, it still has 8+ ranks, a banner and managed to get 1 wound. You lost by a lot, now run away and get ran down. Great mechanics.

            This was the problem. Small infantry formations were worthless outside elite units or Chaos Warriors. This led to the starting price of the game to become insane. Especially later on when the core unit boxes became 30-50€ for a unit of 10. Wouldn’t be that much of a problem if you only needed 10-20. 8th edition required you to field them in units of 40-60. That or you needed multiple units of at least 30 to make them useful. Suddenly that 30-50€ purchase became 90€-150€ for a single unit of Core troops.

          • Exactly. They completely failed to address the entry hurdle for years and then just didn’t even bother trying anymore and just decided to throw it all in the bin.

            The worst thing to me is that the current GW turnaround has me believing that, if AoS had not occured, WHFB would have been basically saved due to the change in course, Start Collecting boxes and the new commitment to FAQs and taking feedback.

            There wouldn’t have been many sweeping changes needed to revitalize WHFB, and a lot of those things were asked for by the community for years as it is. GW just needed to listen…

      • Sleeplessknight

        Don’t care. Still going to ask for new content for Warhammer Fantasy.

        • Xodis

          Be sure to tell us how that works out for you on the BoLS comment section, Im sure GW is listening.

          • Sleeplessknight

            No, but hopefully they would on their AoS facebook post. I mean, why wouldn’t I have posted there first before posting here?

    • Mitchell

      Make Sigmar Fantasy Again.

    • Razerfree

      No point in bringing WFB back since the root of the problem was with lack of sales > due to the high entry cost > due to expensive basic models.

    • Marky

      Think of the money you save by giving up tabletop war gaming. I used the lack of motivation to play AOS as a way to break the cycle of spending thousands per year on fantasy. Aside from buying bloodbowl I have been plastic crack free for a while now. Embrace the end times!

  • bobrunnicles

    Alarielle and the Maiden Guard would be cool.
    The blindfolded Eltharion too.

    • Aezeal

      Ow god Alarielle was awfull. I still have her and the new one (even if you just leave out the bug) is tons better.

      • bobrunnicles

        Seriously? Alarielle was great, in both her ‘pre-Sylvaneth’ versions.

        • Aezeal

          I only know one version tbh the one with the hand plastered on her head and the way to think wings and the ugly face. Wait it’s Ariel I’m thinking about.. since she’s the real precursor to current Alarielle in my vision.

          • bobrunnicles

            Yeah that makes a difference – I have an Ariel model, the one with the butterfly wings. Definitely not the Alarielle models I’m referring to lol (one came with the Maiden Guard, and the other similar pose one was released individually with the 8th Ed army book).

    • el_tigre

      Painted one of those beautiful blindfolded bastards for a friend and regretted giving it to him for about 6 years before finding one on ebay. Maybe my favourite high elf models, so well posed and simple.

  • NovaeVox

    Minis and Warscrolls for Sisters of Sigmar!!!

    Let the flame war begin…

  • NovaeVox

    Birdmen of Catrazza

    • Severius_Tolluck

      Oh man, that would be an awesome unit! Thing is since you can run smaller in AoS that wouldn’t be a bad idea! Those dogs of war units would be welcomed back for sure.

      • Marky

        All the dogs of war units! Sweet idea…. I’m still not buying anything 🙂 unless they really do a dwarf mini I don’t have (unlikley)

  • Karru

    I’d love to see the old High Elf Spearmen and Archers to return. Without them, it’s hard to make a proper High Elf army for AoS.

    • Razerfree

      This. It’s kind of hard to make ANY old world army for AoS nowadays since you never know what is getting the “axe” tomorrow :-/ + both FLGS in my area got rid of their WFB stock and now have Sigmarines galore collecting dust…

  • Aezeal

    I really liked the aesthetic of the older Eternal Guards with their spearstaves or whatever they are called.
    Also some of the more exotic posed wardancer (hero’s) are nice.
    I’d not buy them.. since I have what I need.. but I think others might like them. Especially the EG since their style is nicer than the newer ones.

    • el_tigre

      Good calls for both of those, so much metal was a pain in the backside, but it was a great time for beautifel wood elf models, so many iconic heros released around then too if I remember correctly.

  • frankelee

    Reiksguard Knights on foot.

    • Seienchin

      That would be really cool but unlikely since there are no rules for them in AoS. I would expect stuff that also has rules like bretonnian trebuchets and stuff

      • frankelee

        Well crud. Though it takes like 15 minutes to make rules for something in AoS.

  • Horacio Rivas

    dwarf pirates and the dwarf axe catapult.

  • Joe

    The Goblobber dwarf catapult. I only can find half the parts to mine and would gladly pay a lot to get a new one.

    • Keith Wilson

      i got 2 of those bad boys …. love them

      • Joe

        I still got the Chef with the spit roast camping fire. I used to used him in my back line camp when WHFB used to have those.

    • JL

      YES! And a Halfling Hot-Pot too please!

  • Lord Elpus

    Although I already have it, and is currently in use as a Nurgle Daemon Prince: bring back THE CHAOS TOILET!

  • Robby R Curtis

    Literally ANYTHING from GorkaMorka or Necromunda.

  • Skeksis

    The Green Knight

  • Graham Bartram

    Arbites

  • Moonsaves

    Kislev.

  • the_wheel_turns

    Bretonnian stuff but not at the slap across the face prices they were at when they were stomped on.

    • Razerfree

      You mean kind of like the slap across the face prices most of the other products have now? I really hope Bretonnians/Tomb Kings make it back into the game someday. No idea how having Nagash makes sense without Tomb Kings…

  • Shenordak

    Aenur the Sword of twillight and also the slayers from the goblin hewer

  • Razerfree

    Get Empire Free Company back. No idea why they removed the set -.- ebay is demanding astronomical prices for them. Why would they get rid of the most popular sprues for Mordheim?