GW: New Releases December 10 “First Looks”

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The Sisters are here and they brought some friends – check out the new products from GW!

via Games Workshop

 

Codex: Imperial Agents

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Index Imperialis: Apocrypha

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Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Spire of Dawn

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Battle Sister Squad Upgrade

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Immolator

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Seraphim Squad

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Retributor Squad

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Battle Sisters Squad

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Canoness Veridyan

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  • Rainthezangoose

    This better be a ploy to get rid of all the metal sisters laying around before they release plastic ones (i aint holding my breath)

    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      i guess it is. The Immolator might stay, but the rest will be out for good. And i can understand it. Why not use the small hype too sell some old models. Plastics will be next year, as far as i know. But no Catgurls, i am sad now.

      • Marik

        God bless you for still having some hope that plastics are coming.

        • Maitre Lord Ironfist

          Why not sell your stock before getting New stuff out 😏 it just makes sense on the moneyzpointofview

          • Marik

            That is an awefully generic statement you’ve made there, and in other circumstances you may have a point there.

            I am a businessman, have been most of my life, so let me tell you why what they did has less to do with just getting rid of old stock:

            In the business world, items that don’t sell still cost the business money, if not directly than in their projections. How does it do this? It’s called shelf real estate. Even warehouses only have finite amounts of space, and in many cases a business will deem that said shelf-space is worth more than the product currently collecting dust on it.

            To a business, this means that slow or non-moving stock is taking up valuable shelf space that could be used on a product which will sell more. To this end, if a business wants to get rid of something that isn’t selling they liquidate it and write it off as a loss.

            What do we see GW doing? Not liquidating at all, even though this is a very slow moving product due to the price. Liquidating would mean bringing the kits down to a price where they WILL sell, even if it means taking a loss on them, as the loss is going to be less than leaving that product on valuable shelf space to languish.

            Also, if they wanted them to sell in order to clear them out, then why would they have taken them off the market for the better part of a year? That makes no sense on any level.

            However, from the point of a businessman, I’ve seen this kind of thing happen before. It’s called ‘repackaging’ and it is a horrible business strategy with a low chance of success. So why do businesses use it even though it has a low chance of success? Well that comes back down to cost: it costs them a lot less to repackage something to try to sell it again than it does to liquidate it. It isn’t GW that does this either, many modern companies are guilty of this. If you are observant, you can even see it happening in your local businesses.

            The reason GW went with the repackaging route instead of liquidation is the same reason other money-hungry modern businesses do it: because they believe it will cost them less. Whether the repacking will sell or not depends on two factors: price and value of the repack. If both come into alignment you will see the repacking fly off of the shelves, as any consumer loves a good deal. Sadly, repacking fails most of the time due to the cost and value coming nowhere close to each other.

            The problem with repackaging is that the businesses that do it wrong try to get the sale value of the repackaged items still while trying to take the most minimal loss of profits, and this is where the problem starts. Odds are, for these repackaged squads, GW knocked a pitiful amount of money off what it would have cost in individual models and called it a day. Again, GW is not the only business to do this, it is something that is sadly common-place in modern businesses, sad because most don’t do it correctly.

            So at the end of the, the problem comes down to GW not actually wanting to clear stock, and instead stubbornly wanting to make proper profit off of models/materials that are no longer worth the cost to the average consumer. It is a bad repack due to the fact that even within GW’s own product line they have a plethora of plastic units which are the same size yet cost half or less than these metal squads.

            The problem is GW isn’t targeting new players or even Sisters players with this launch, so they are either trying to sell it to people with deep wallets, whether they be impulse buyers or collectors. However, if this was an attempt to revitalize interest in Sisters then it failed horribly, what with the combination of the horribly overpriced kits combined with rules which are no better than the last set of abysmal rules the Sisters had.

            Let me end by saying this: I hope that GW is just getting rid of old stock. I hope that GW just doesn’t want to release a brand spanking new Codex with new models this close to a new edition. I hope that we will be able to see a proper Sisters line and rules reboot in the new edition. Yet, given GW’s track record, I’m not going to hold my breath.

          • Maitre Lord Ironfist

            I agree and know this. Shelplace is money, you have to buy that space. Srz that i,do,not quote, i am,writing on my phone.

            Repacing is cheap and shady. It just,makes it look “new”. And that,before christmass. I underdtand why you want that,atock out. Even if you throw it away that costs you money. I thing the idea is, as you guessed, too sell as many as they can,too colectors or ppl with deep wallets. This works on the nostalgia like :”you knoe it is,comming, better grab some nostalgia you had too use forever!”

            It feels cheap and rushed. Thez could have done this 2 weeks ago. And jess they cost more (repentier sem cheaper but i can,be wrong). But i can,see why they do this. The special,snowflake sold like crazy, the hipe is there.

            Lets wait. If they just sell dustcollectors and give new minis in,the next year everything is fine. Otherwise the butthurt will cost them. I am,not even max that they try too sell them now and make profit. In the end, thats what its all about. Sadly the new codex must,deliver and atm it does not look so good

    • Horus84cmd

      These are made to order! Not miniatures just laying around in the warehouse.

      • Haighus

        How did you find out this? The only indication I can see for this is that they are pre-orders, but then GW does pre-orders for digital products, so pointless pre-order windows are nothing new for them.

        • orionburn

          GW is doing a made to order right for some old school characters (one is a Sister, however), but the rest of the troops are not MTO. They’re just in stock items according to G-dubs website.

      • Statham

        They aren’t. The metal sisters are the same ones they’ve been peddling for a while.

      • Arthfael

        So hopefully the last chance to get these old ones before they get replaced by newer models. What’s sad is people won’t know prior to that if any (probably) soon to be released stuff will have a consistent design.

      • Valeli

        Um. Most of these have been available on the webstore continuously.

        They were never OOP.

  • Jerin Price

    Two things.

    I just looked closer and realized that the sisters helmets are really cool looking.

    But why do the seraphim (the girls flying through the air on rockets) to a woman, refuse to wear helmets?

    • bfmusashi

      Because it’s 40k and no one wears the complicated communications, air filtration, and augmented sensors when fighting on an alien world.

    • silashand

      Two words: Helmet Hair 🙂

  • Kevin Maloney

    Well at least the Immolator is back…

    • Haighus

      Described as a plastic and resin kit on the webstore. I am somewhat confused and rather catious about that. I was going to pick one up until I noticed this.

      The original kit was entirely plastic to my knowledge, so wondering which bit is now resin, and why. It could just be a mistake in the description of course.

      The images appear to be for the original model.

      • aargh00

        Weird, too, because the Immolator kit is packaged with the Exorcist, and that’s not listing any resin parts. The only part that was never in the Exorcist kit was the little clear window for the turret, so maybe they had to replace it and did it with resin?

        • Severius_Tolluck

          No the excorcist parts were metal paired with the plastic rhino, and they re released it as finecast, while stopped producing the immolator which was all plastic. Which is the confusing part to begin with.

  • jbaidacoff

    This isn’t showing on the GW Canada site yet. Hope this isn’t limited to the UK.

    • Valeli

      It’s not.

      Give it time. At some point it will show up/stop being sold out.

  • Mr.Gold

    Per GW:

    Codex Imperial Agents

    This 136-page full-colour Codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium:

    – A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
    – Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
    – Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
    – Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
    – Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
    – Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
    – Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
    – The Legion of the Damned
    – Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
    – Inquisitors of the Inquisition

  • Phil Thompson

    Canoness sold out on pre-order in the UK, and is starting to show up on ebay at inflated prices, God damn scalpers!

    • Djbz

      Not merely sold out.
      They then “got more” a few hours later and was sold out again in seconds

      • Statham

        Methinks they’re going to keep on doing that. Really doubt she’s truly a limited release.

    • JPMcMillen

      The only way to deal with scalpers is to not buy from them. Once they start getting stuck with stuff they will either have to keep it for themselves, or lower the price to get rid of it.

      Unfortunately there are too many GW fans that have the Pokemon ‘gotta buy it all’ mentality to keep that from ever happening.

      • Phil Thompson

        Oh no worries there, I have no intention to buy it off eBay, if I cant get one, I cant get one, I have plenty of other Canonesses in my army and a metal one still in blister :/

    • Statham

      GW have apparently put out mixed messages about the limited availability of Veridyan – my local GW manager suggested they’ll be making more – and it makes no sense for this to be a super-limited release if they’re talking about her being a ‘new addition to the Sororitas’. Keep an eye on the site – they’ve put her back on preorder at least once today.

      • Austin Becht

        It’s going to be limited release in stores. Afterwards, it’ll be online only.

    • Alpharius

      We need a machine that flies around and gives scalpels cancer.

  • lolwait, wait? 85€ for 10 Seraphim? WTF?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Metal.

      • That’s no excuse. Neither were metal models *that* expensive even for GW’s standards (even Sternguard/Vanguard were only 70€ for 10). 10 made to order Daemonettes were less than half that price.

        • Laurence J Sinclair

          Yeah, it’s especially strange when the Repentia are up there at just over half that price. And the MTO Seraphim Superior is more expensive than the Missionary and Inquisitors, for no reason at all!

  • Sonic tooth

    went to preorder canoness at half 8 this morning but she was already sold out. i know they said “limited quantities” but cmon! aos big boxs all gone aswell. looks like santa wont be bringing me the darkroot wargrove sob sob

  • Locomotive breath

    She kinda looks like Sia
    “i don’t need no dollar bills to have fun tonight!”
    ” I wanna burn heretics!”

    • EnTyme

      Lol! My first thought when I saw the model was “Damn. The little girl from those Sia videos grew up to be a badass.”

  • Karru

    I was shocked by the Spire of Dawn set. 65€ to get into AoS without having to buy into golden men with armour muscle or gory men with muscle. Even though it is just a “re-release” of the Island of Blood set, it’s still WAY better than the AoS starter set, at least looks wise. It also gives you two very different armies to play with, which is nice.

    • Thomas Gardiner

      Yeah, those minis are much nicer and more interesting imo. The Khorne dudes are… I mean, they’re fine. They’re generic evil guys. But I *hate* the Stormcast with a burning passion. So it’s really cool to see some classic models come back.

    • Cristhian Mario Landa Rivera

      Looks-wise no, I actually love those golden men with armour muscle and gory men with muscle. And I never really liked that griffon, something seems off.

      Now price-wise, yes, it’s much better, and I like the fact that there are additional options. And it will also benefit from being a boxed game.

      And it is supplied with square/round bases. I don’t know how to feel about this. It’s neat that they want to please Fantasy/others players, but that itself is kind of an issue for those few guys who have sweared to their patreon gods to avenge Fantasy because “round bases” and “muh gaem”.

      • Karru

        I see absolutely no problems with it if there is square bases in it as well. It means way more value, what do you care if they don’t play AoS? I’m trying to find the cheapest, while most advantageous way to try out the game before I commit. I have gone through the General’s Handbook and many Warscrolls. Everything says I won’t enjoy it on the long run. I might enjoy a game or two and then it just turns to playing the same game over and over again. I am a collector/modeller/painter first, gamer second. As long as game offers me amazing conversion and modelling ideas and possibilities to make my units unique in both the gaming table and the rules, I will enjoy it. This is why I love 40k, I have tons of different ways to make my unit differ from one another. I can give one Melta Guns, Melta Bombs and Power Fist for example and now I have a AT unit. Then take another of the same unit and give it Flamers and now I have myself different unit.

        AoS doesn’t offer any of this. It’s the same unit over and over again. Same rules, no upgrades of any sort, no magic banners to take. Just the unit that might get stronger with more models, yay.

        For elite unit, this isn’t a problem. I can switch those around quite easily. I can take a unit of Terminators if I don’t want to bring my Sternguard. I can bring a Dreadnought or Legion of the Damned. AoS is pretty much the same in this aspect. Here’s the problem, Battleline units.

        Let’s say I take 2 units of Tactical Marines, one with the loadout I mentioned and give them a Rhino. Then I take another with Plasma Gun and Lascannon, no Rhino. Two different units in terms of role. Other is short range AT unit that advances on the enemy, while the other serves as a mid to long range support. I can also take Scouts which are completely different and even they can be taken in multiple different ways.

        Age of Sigmar? Nope. It’s the same unit. I have to take my Battleline units which for some factions have very little to choose from. High Elves for example only have Silver Helms, Archers and Spearmen. Now, I don’t like to “spam” same units over and over again, so I always mix things up. My maximum for any unit is usually 2, this of course depends heavily on the army. Now, lets say I take 2 units of Spearmen, 1 units of Silver Helms and 1 units of Archers. What do I take to the next game that would make this one different enough? Nothing really, I have no options here other than to just increase the amount of one unit I took or reduce another. It’s still the same unit.

        This is where Fantasy Battle had way better system in place. Since the game was Rank-and-file, it meant that size mattered. This in itself was “the unique factor” of a unit. Larger unit was supposed to take hits, while smaller units were usually meant to flank the enemy. In AoS, numbers don’t really matter that much, they are just wounds and attacks. They don’t hinder the movement of your units at all, you are not slower to manoeuvre or flank, you still move at the same speed as always.

        So to make a TL;DR, those that defend Fantasy to death have every reason and right to do so. Fantasy is completely different game from AoS. AoS is not for everyone, since it removes many aspects from a game without giving any new alternatives that these games already didn’t have in place.

        • Cristhian Mario Landa Rivera

          Not gonna make a text, but no, they don’t have any reason to *HATE* it, I mean, damn, it’s a game, just play.

          I disliked Fantasy a lot on last editions because there was A LOT of cannon fodder; you wanted dozens of guys protecting 3 guys so they fight (I’m exagerating but you can get the point).

          At least in AoS you can see that every unit actually afford something to the battle and are not here just to die. It’s similar to Total Warhammer in that regard: all the units actually fight but there are scales between them. And no, not always every single unit is the same; they can use different options or can be deployed as variations of the same unit with different abilities.

          I know that is hard to like every system out there, but damn, hate them? this is supposed to be a hobby, you shouldn’t make it your work.

          • Valeli

            I suspect many upset fantasy players (myself, at least) hate /GW’s decision/ rather than AoS in a strict sense.

            We hate that they axed our game for it. If they had just brought out AoS alongside it and maintained support for fantasy, even at a low level, I’m sure there’d be a lot less rancor.

          • Cristhian Mario Landa Rivera

            Yet again, you can simply play the last edition, and almost everyone eventually started to use systems or rules because some armies are much stronger than others.

            That’s the problem, they didn’t even agreed with every rule and the unbalance, and that’s something that usually just keeps getting worst the more changes you make.

          • Karru

            Just like Valeli said, it’s most likely that these people hate the game for what it is, they hate it because it replaced Fantasy Battles. It had a long history and many had large collections for it. They had spent months working on their collections, making movement trays and unit fillers. Then one day they realise that their favourite game is just gone. Sure you can still play it or you can play 9th age, but good luck trying to get new people to play. You tell them about this game and they have no idea what you are talking about.

            Even if you manage to convince them to play, they quickly realise how much work it now takes to actually start it. You have to buy bases since most of the AoS stuff now comes with round bases onyl, some armies don’t even have their basic units any more so try to hunt down those and then you have to get yourself an army book. Try to encourage someone to do all that.

          • Cristhian Mario Landa Rivera

            Yet is not like you can’t find any editions on pdfs for free.

            I can understand that Fantasy’s death is a bumper for many, yet one can argue that is better for them to make an apocalytic event if they can advance the plot, unlike the static plot both Fantasy and 40K had for a long while (a decade I think).

            Sometimes your PC can’t be just fixed by restarting, sometimes you need to purge it; and I would like to play with a soft reset instead having to wait official rules just to buff to the skies or nerf to the ground units here and there.

            That’s something people dislike a lot in almost any game: you paid for strong units just for them to be cannon fodder the next year. That’s awful.

            I would like much more strategic deept in AoS but I don’t want the crazy unbalanced changes they had to make each edition.

            Also you don’t need round bases for AoS, and every axed unit is still on the GHB. And again you can still play the lastest edition, and more importantly: if you don’t liked how GW balanced armybuilding, then you can easily find another system that works.

            This is a hobby, this is about having lots of imagination, if you don’t like something just go and try something else, I don’t like many 40K’s rules but I like play Kill Teams, for example, and I like to check out simplified or cohesive cool ideas some guys pull off.

            That’s the problem I really find with the sworn enemies of AoS; it almost seems that they themselves are clipping their own wings off, not GW.

        • Valeli

          As an aggrieved fantasy player, I agree 100% with your TLDR.

          AoS might be an OK game. Heck, it might even be a great game. But it’s not the same game. It’s not “streamlined” rules – it’s “categorically different” rules. Most of what I loved in Fantasy is not present in AoS, and my dislike of it goes beyond the (imo) exceedingly silly stormcast “let’s put SM in Fantasy!” models.

  • Arthfael

    Don’t play sisters. Never will. But heck I bought that Canoness miniature anyway, to send them a signal. Plus, I personally adore the sketchy, clumsy, over the top 80s feel of Blanche’s artwork.

    • Valeli

      Lol. I woke up and got the e-mail for the preorder to find that it’s already “temporarily out”. Totally called that I’d miss it.

      Oh well. It’s not my favorite model ever so I’m not morbidly upset. And I’m glad people have clearly shown demand on at least some level when given the chance.

      • Arthfael

        Someone posted an image below saying it will then be possible to order normally. But in my case (I ordered from France), it was “up” from, maybe, 10 am, but not possible to actually click the order button till like 3 pm, dunno why.

  • grendal1989

    Execution Force and Celestine are in Last Chance and Celestine is gone on the U.K. Webstore

  • mafiacheese

    $80 for a single squad of metal Battle Sisters.

    Seems like quite the middle finger there.

    • aargh00

      That’s what it’s been for a long time now. They just rebundled the squads, but the price has been like that for years.

      • Valeli

        Aye. Sadly. And absurdly. But yeah.

  • silashand
    • silashand

      Text accompanying the photo:

      “We had a lot of questions about this new Canoness yesterday (no huge surprise there, we know lots of you have been faithfully waiting a long time for a new Battle Sister).

      A lot of you were worried that you wouldn’t be able to get hold of one, but don’t worry; we don’t want any of you to miss out. While she’s going to be in stores for a limited time (from the 17th) she will be available to order direct from our online store for the foreseeable future, so you’ll all have the chance to add this heroine to your collection.

      The Emperor protects”

      • EnTyme

        In other words, don’t pay scalper prices on eBay. Wait a day or two and you can buy her at retail price.

      • Karru

        I believe that GW finally realised that there are certain things you should never put out as “limited”. So many wanted to get themselves the Skaven BB dice, but GW said “sorry, ran out”. They now finally seemed to realise the profit they could make with these. All they have to do is make the same amount they usually do now. Look how fast it sells and then make it “on demand” that might take a lot longer to actually arrive. Hold up the orders for 1-2 weeks and then make the amount needed, plus maybe some extra.

  • Talos2

    I’m not a sisters player, but even I see this as a bit of a slap in the face of those that are. I hope this isn’t all gw are going to do as this seems worse than nothing

  • Valeli

    I note that one of the models newly sold out on the US site (and one of the models GW noted as a “Last Chance to Buy”) was St. Celestine. So I expect she’ll be getting a redo as one of the four new kits if that rumor pans out.

  • Alpharius

    Canonness sold out immediately. If that’s not a big FU to all the whiners on here talki about boob plate, I don’t know what is.

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  • Camoron

    Aren’t these pre-orders and not new releases?

  • Paul Sinanan

    though posed in the most standard way, I think anyone who believes plastic sisters will be better than the metal ones is being foolish. The metal sisters are still some of the best minis GW has produced EVER, even with the lack of poses.

    and metal lasts forever!

  • am1t

    Swing and a miss GW … god awful miss!
    So basically a re-release of the old SOB minis …
    Really sorry for the SOB fans out there; hoped given the new custodes and sos minis would have been a ‘taste’ of the style and design of some new models … but you know what they say about hope in the grimdark universe of 40k …