Is Magnus a Flying Baneblade? – FTN

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This Wrath of Magnus set is awesome,  advances the story in ways didn’t think we would ever see; and GW are just getting started.

We also get the first plastic primarch!  He’s a daemon, but whatever..

Hey guys,

Thousand Son players should be really happy about this release but it means a lot to Chaos and Daemon players in general.  I think this book will definitely see some play.

We on the show don’t agree about the power level of the big red man Magnus.  His point cost does severely limit how your army can be built but I don’t care.  I think he is a truck that is going to turn the tides of battle in the same way the Super Tuna does.  Meaning – he’s great… but he’s not unkillable and won’t just win the game by himself.

The new pink horrors are a real issue.  Their rules are going to be pretty dern frustrating to people until they learn how to deal with them.  I think the intent is for them NOT to have malefic powers but due to the way the BRB is worded it caused GW to release an FAQ immediately.  That’s a good thing.  I was really worried about some RAW folks out there going nuts.  It is so nice to see what GW is doing.  They are slowly but surely weaving themselves back into the community in an awesome way.

We talk briefly about maulerfiends in this episode.  Please ignore what we say about the lash tendrils maybe giving extra attacks.  I think we were a little high on warp dust during this recording.  Chaos is coming back in a big way and look for us to be kicking out Legion specific content very soon.

The Finishing Moves segment is sponsored by Their Industrial Terrain set is great and they offer a product that is pre-painted. This, combined with their mats, is a great way to get playing with professional looking game boards fast.

The Finishing Moves segment is about stubble and shaved heads.  This is a stumper for a lot of people there – me included.  We go over some tips and tricks on how to pull this off and really help give you some separation from the field.

So what is your take on the T-sons?!   Are they just what you were looking for or did GW miss the mark on this one?  For me.. it’s a hit!


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  • Blight

    Already been FAQ’D.
    When was this recorded?

    • Before the book came out

      • Nyyppä

        This would mean that someone at GW at least tries to do their job.

        • The speed with which they had a FAQ out was encouraging, that said the rule is still a nightmare (I say that as a Tz daemon player lol)

          • Nyyppä

            What makes it a nightmare?

          • The sheer amount of free units, exploding from free summons

          • Nyyppä

            Are the summoned daemons not supposed to be what they are in the codex daemons instead of WoM?

          • WoM replaces the entry from the daemon codex

          • Nyyppä

            Well then, that just broke the game in a whole new way.

          • Yessir, they sure did

          • Nyyppä

            I wonder, do they actually play test these rules or is it just “hey, you know what would be cool” and then “insert rule” without a second thought? I was very optimistic with the GSC and DW being actually sensible releases. TH being teh suk was given and the fact that some (meaning at least DG) of the upcoming legions do not fall under the headline “useless” is a down right miracle.

            That being said, this horror thing is just…it’s worse than what I expected.

          • Honestly it is so broken I expect a major change from ITC and other TOs

          • Nyyppä

            Obviously so. Then again, as much as I hate to have it in the game there is some small part of me that want’s to see the faces of all those smug eldar and SM players who thus far repeated the old “LTP” phrase. It’s somehow fulfilling to see the entitled get the taste of what the rest of call Tuesday.

            Sadly the good guys that are fans of those factions will also suffer but such is life. I think the 4 years of sovereign dominance on the table has been long enough for them too.

          • I’d enjoy it if it didn’t require $600+ dollars of models to function lol

          • Nyyppä

            Well, there is that if one want’s to personally be the one teaching them humility but I’m perfectly contempt with just watching the whining this has summoned from them.

            I just hope that the ones who actually have good attitudes do not have to suffer from this.

          • My plan is to just give people the option to play with the old rules and not have that many blue/brimstone horrors on me

          • Nyyppä

            Sounds reasonable.

  • Agent OfBolas

    Wrath of Magnus is terrible, terrible rules and terrible CSM section…

    On the other side – Magnus alone is OP.

    • Daniel Hall

      Lol bro what are you smoking? pass me some.

      • Agent OfBolas

        so you like…
        Flamers giving enemy FNP after you hit them?
        No weapon options for sorcerers, just dumb stave?
        No other CC upgrade for terminators outside power weapon?
        Insane CSM units costs?

        The only good thing is Magnus, and small deamons. It’s another book with dumb ruleset for CSMs. 1k sons are unplayable in competitive environment.

        • This is true. In a tournament environment they won’t stack up. In a campaign environment however they are a lot of fun.

        • Daniel Hall

          1; the flamers i can give you, generally kinda suck though limited use against hordes. (very limited. orks/guard/nids only pretty much) Odd design choice.

          2; the stave is IMO the best option FOR the sorcerers (though hq sorc can still get axes so no biggy) Str 6 ap 4 is fine for 90% of situations.

          3; the terminators are MEANT to be ranged (which btw considering the use of the unit? may be one of *the* best terminator units int he game, especially in Sehkmet conclave)

          4; Units costs, while I 100% agree for the Rubricae (basic marines being fairly badly overcosted) …. the Scarab occult are a good price range (and about right) for what they bring to the table, and the sargent is DISCOUNTED for what he does.

          The Tzaangors? all but perfectly costed. ork statline, 6+ invul save, no big issue.

          The Exalted sorcerer? do the math. they are (give or take 5-10 points) basically perfectly costed. do the math on their stats/gear/powers. its about right. they are a “lord sorcerer” equivalent after all.

          Id gladly take exalteds/tzaangors/scarab occult into an ITC based competitive enviornment.

          are they “top tier” like eldar bike/wraithknight lists or the “free gladius” units the space marines get? no. but they sure as hell aint bad either. in ANY stretch.

          • Nyyppä

            More than 50% of all the armies now use 3+ so ap4 might as well be ap-.

            New TS are better than the old version, but still far worse than the new Tz daemons and since at least the marines can’t go toe to toe with the eldar or the other “giants” “better” =/= “good enough” when you look at the balance situation.

          • Daniel Hall

            See; this is reasonable.

            Thats fair. I do think in *most* games the 1k sons are perfectly fine. though I definitely see the hardcore tourney face-stomp lists are probably going to roll them (though hilariously enough they dont give a single damn about grav spam lists FWIW)

        • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

          1. on a die roll
          2. Psychic powers, and AP 2 is not worth going last.
          3. They are a non-melee unit in a non-melee army, so whatever.
          4. Sanity is highly overrated 😛 But seriously, dev bias is a thing, and if you can’t handle playing the game on hard mode, you might want to switch to a more forgiving faction, like Craftworld or Loyalists or Crons. Or maybe switch to historicals. Besides, building to limit your workload does not prove you a better player, just a better list-drafter.

          • Agent OfBolas

            I’m playing historicals 🙂
            And I’m also playing TAU and SMs 🙂

            So you got me here.

            But since rules for Death Guard were annouced, I can’t wait to play them. They are insane.

          • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

            I’m gonna say sorry about that, I was getting agitated. Good to see that you’ve also found something to look forward to with this release. The centerpiece of my IW Purge is in the mail, so that’s where I’m going.

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    RE: stubble – It’s called “Underpainting.”