40K: Plastic Abaddon, Please?

abaddon-horz-2nd-edWill the Warmaster of Chaos get a new plastic kit? Let’s take a look at the evidence.

Everyone loves some wild speculation and I’ve got some crazy theories for you all today. With the announcement of the Plastic Lord of Change (Finally!) I’ve got my hopes up that we will get a plastic version of Abaddon as well. “AdamHarry, How are those two things even remotely related?” Glad you asked! Grab your tinfoil hats and follow me on this crazy-train!

weirdalfoil_2322It’s time for a trip on the Tinfoil Express!

Exhibit A: The Chaos Characters are slowly being redone.

We had a plastic Kharn model out of the blue (or is it red) last year:

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But that was also announced to divert our attention away from the plastic version of a certain Heresy Era Sorcerer:

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Who later turned out to be the FIRST version of plastic Ahriman.

And then we got his second plastic version late last year too:

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Exhibit B: The Plastic Lord of Change wasn’t in Wrath of Magnus…

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I remember when we cracked this one open and were surprised to see 1) an entire Tzeentch Daemon list/section. 2) The old metal Lord of Change. I know I wasn’t the only one thinking “Well surely if GW has a plastic LoC this would be the time to show it off, right?” WRONG. Turns out they were sitting on it and even posted pictures of the old one in a “current” book because they are patient…and sneaky. No, they took their time with this one and released it when they wanted to give it the spotlight.

Think about it, why would you “double stack” the release in the same book with a Daemon Primarch, Ahriman, & all the other Thousand Sons releases? You shouldn’t! You should wait until this new centerpiece model can stand in the spotlight on it’s own and get all the attention it deserves! I mean, look at it:

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“What does that have to do with Abaddon?” Well, what has just been officially announced for next week? The Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia. And who’s getting the spotlight from that release? The Imperial Triumvirate:

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Which, again, awesome release! They deserve to get the attention too! But folks are still questioning “then why is Abaddon on the cover if he didn’t get a new model?” and “GW even used his old model in the book, too.” Yep, it’s almost like they are doing the same thing: Giving the “new” models a chance to shine while saving the reveal for a later date…

Exhibit C: The Fall of Cadia is just the beginning.

How do we know that? Because Games Workshop TOLD us:

Fall of Cadia is the first book in the Gathering Storm series. A 136-page hardback narrative campaign book, it introduces the Triumvirate of the Imperium – Celestine, the Living Saint, Tech-priest of Mars Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl, and Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus – and chronicles the bitter battle to protect Cadia from the grasp of Abaddon the Despoiler.”

And let’s not forget about a couple of other books that have a pretty big clue on them:

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That tells me that there are more releases coming involving the Black Crusade and Abaddon’s march on Terra. Following that logic, that also means Games Workshop will have LOTS of chances to unveil a new Abaddon model – and lets face it, he SORELY needs a new one. And speaking of the old model…

Exhibit D: Abaddon the Despoiler is out of stock on the web store.

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Hmm. That’s odd, right? I’m sure it’s probably just a coincidence. It’s not like he was featured in a new release and people are rushing out to get a 20+ year old miniature, right? Or maybe that’s all it was. Yeah, that’s the ticket…

 

So what’s the verdict? This is all circumstantial evidence at best. We’ve had no rumormongers tell us “hey, I saw a plastic Abaddon!” and we’ve got no other evidence that the Warmaster of Chaos will arrive in plastic. But like I said at the top of the post: I’ve got my hopes up – and all this “evidence” is fun to theorize with…but you know what they say about “Hope” in the Grim-Dark.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

 

So what do you think? Will we see a new Abaddon model in plastic or was this all just a fun trip on a crazy train?

  • Moke

    Abaddon isn’t out of stock on the UK webstore so I’m pretty sure that invalidates point D.

    The rest of this is reasonably convincing, though.

    http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cc61a401e9eefffd575a566e52a59c8710f126c0134cf494d40b1663549f909c.png

    • raul

      This is sort of an irrelevant argument. I can still buy the old ugly Kharn on the US website.

      • Agent OfBolas

        Old Kharn is not ugly.

        New one is.

  • Sonic tooth

    sad to see such a classic jes Goodwin mini getting dissed so much… alas….lol

    • Malisteen

      It was great for its time, but it’s time was more than 20 years ago now, and it just doesn’t hold up. It’s just not viscerally cool to field Abaddon when his terminator retinue all tower over him, making his topknot feel less like a dramatic fashion statement, and more like a painful attempt at compensation for his inadequate height.

      • Sonic tooth

        true. its still better then most warmahordes minis iv seen tho.

        • Malisteen

          He’s a faction leading special character, not a line trooper, I don’t know why you’d expect *most* of the warmahordes models to compare. Heck, I wouldn’t *want* most of my army in a minis game to be that detailed. In fact, that’s part of my problem with a lot of AoS releases.

          If you compare Abaddon to equivalent models, and not just the entire game range, then I’d say most of the bigger or more recent boss casters in warmahordes are better sculpts & more impressive models than he is. Utterly eclipsed by Kharne or Ahriman though, which is why I find the lack of a new Abaddon model done in that quality (at least that we’ve seen so far) so frustrating.

          I mean, this is supposed to be *His Moment*.

          • Sonic tooth

            im just saying that this one isnt a bad sculpt. just old. i keep reading that its a terrible mini…. its not, just outdated and too small.. i dont agree regarding wormahordes minis tho. i think theyr nearly all meh….but thats just my opinion. i dont like 90% of AOS minis either… different strokes for different folks

          • grim
          • Andrew

            He’s a great model, just woefully out of scale. I agree, I hate that goofy WoW aesthetic that Warmahordes and AoS have. Every time I see Warmahordes models I cringe.

    • Muninwing

      he’s been a runt since GW came up with plastic terminators… a good model, just too small.

      • Walter Vining

        thank god the old logan grimnar was over sized for his time and is still on the same scale as terms.
        the new one is poop

        • Malisteen

          I actually kind of like the new Logan. His santa sled’s a bit silly, sure, but Logan himself, with his bulky silhouette, storm-swept hair, and massive cloak is, IMO anyway, a noticeable improvement on his old model.

          But even the old one is Head and Shoulders above Abaddon. Literally.

          • Walter Vining

            I cant do the face and hair. OMG its so bad. And the sled is stupid, rules are cool, sled is stupid.
            that being said I still probably should get one.
            reasons and all

      • Ben_S

        Don’t know about that. The first plastic terminators (Space Hulk, 1st and 2nd editions) still went on 25mm bases. I don’t recall seeing them next to Abaddon, but I doubt they were any larger.

        • Muninwing

          i meant the CSM terminator kit, not game pieces. that was 2006-2007.

          before that, terminators that were released as model kits were metals. and abbadon was scaled with them.

          • Ben_S

            If you meant *chaos* terminators specifically, then fair enough (though you didn’t say that).

            The models from 2nd edition Space Hulk were released separately as a 40k unit in the 1990s (2nd edition 40k).

          • Muninwing

            i actually have a coupe of the old plastic SM terminators. i had forgotten that they even existed. so good for the reminder.

            but i figured you could tell i was talking about his cohort, and that you’d remember that they were made after that into the metals that he was a peer of, only being replaced by a full plastic kit later when they upped the scale.

  • Malisteen

    If they were doing a plastic abaddon, you would have figured it would have featured by now. They wouldn’t do it and NOT put pictures of it in the Fall of Cadia book, and we’re already seeing some leaked images coming out of that without hide nor hair of any new Abaddon, and the White Dwarf battle report definitely has the old one.

    I’d love to see it, but if it were coming, then GW’s really burying the lead, here.

    • Ravingbantha

      Because GW get’s some weird kick out of holding onto secrets for no real reason or ‘teasing’ something months in advance. There’s no middle ground with them.

      • Malisteen

        I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, but we’re getting to the very last moments where it would even be possible to keep it a secret. If we haven’t seen it within this coming week, then it won’t be coming with this campaign supplement at all.

        • Randy Randalman

          People said literally the same thing about the Lord of Change. When Magnus dropped, people were convinced it was the perfect time. Then the announcement of Disciples of Tzeentch, and they said it again. Heck, many even said, “we’re too close to the release now, and we haven’t seen it yet, so it isn’t coming. There would HAVE to be a leak by now.”

          They were wrong. About 9/10 times, the majority of these Internet fans are wrong in their guesses. Abaddon in plastic has been completed. Like the Realmgate Wars, the Black Crusade will go on for a while. It not only offers time to slowly involve lots of players and advance the storyline, but it also gives GW plenty of windows to drop in centerpiece models. Abaddon will drop virtually by himself, and closer to the time things are reaching their peak.

          • Malisteen

            People said it was too close to the release of wrath of magnus for Lord of Change to come, *and they were right*, it didn’t. It got pushed back to a later release window with the disciples of tzeentch.

            Perhaps a new Abaddon will come with a future release window/campaign book, maybe even one not all that far out, but unless we see him *this week*, he won’t be coming with the Fall of Cadia, because the Fall of Cadia will be out, and if he were coming with this campaign then pictures of him would be IN the campaign book for all to see.

            Again, I’m not saying it’s impossible, but if he’s coming with *this release window*, then we will need to hear about him by the end of the week, and it’s looking increasingly unlikely.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, we won’t see Abaddon anytime soon. Sadly I think we’ll get halfway to terra and then he’ll pop, after everyone who got involved already went out and bought the old model.

          • Iconoc1ast

            Time to kitbash one….!

          • Darth Bumbles

            2018 Marquee Game (a la Space Hulk) will be called “Seige of Terra” and feature new Abaddon as one of the playable characters.

          • Muninwing

            that would be incredibly frustrating for players who want an Abbadon to use right now, but have to come up with something.

            if i was a chaos player who decided to convert a model to use in this event, only to get a new model in three months, i’m not sure i’d bother with the new one. i still use a non-standard Belial for my DA — and i think mine is better than theirs.

          • Malisteen

            I converted an Abaddon years ago, and if a new one came out I’d be more than happy to buy it. But yeah, if I had done that same conversion days ago instead, I don’t think I’d bother.

            Now, at the outset of the 13th Crusade, is the time to release a new Abaddon. If GW delays for another month or three, they’re going to lose some sales. Maybe not many, but some.

          • Moonsaves

            Right? The very fact that we’re all discussing this and following it means that we’re consequently following the progress of the Black Crusade arc as it unfolds, which is exactly the point.

    • adamharry

      They did the same thing with The Lord of Change “Miniature” – see Exhibit B.

      • Malisteen

        We saw the lord of change *before* disciples of tzeentch was on the shelves. Heck, DoTz isn’t even up for preorder yet. Fall of Cadia’s preorder was last weekend, and it will be on the shelves saturday. If a new Abaddon is coming out with this campaign, then pictures of him will be in the book, and the announcement that he’s coming will have to appear *before saturday*. We are coming up to the end of the possibility window for a new Abaddon to accompany this release. Much as the possibility for a new Lord of Change to accompany wrath of magnus came and went.

        Not saying he couldn’t come with a later release window, maybe a “Fall of Cadia part two” or a “Fall of Cadia: chaos perspective”. Might not even be a very distant window if it happened. But unless we see a new Abaddon model by friday, it’s not going to be coming with this campaign book’s release wave.

    • kingcobra668

      Did… you read the article?

      Re: LoC;WoMagnus

      • Malisteen

        the problem is that Abaddon should have been the Magnus of this release.

        • Why exactly? The Fall of Cadia is being highlighted. For that, you need impressive defenders.

          With War Zone Fenris, they kicked off with the Imperium’s defenders too. They had rules for the daemons and what not, but the big push for the villains came in part two.

          They really don’t need to rush this. We don’t even know yet how big a role Abaddon actually plays in this volume.

          • Malisteen

            I’d argue that in addition to defenders, and even more important than them, the story of the Fall of Cadia would need the threat that actually causes the fall. But then again…

            [spoilers]

            turns out that isn’t Abaddon anyway. I haven’t read it myself, but the rumors I’m hearing are that the Imperium basically beats him, and then screws up and hits Cadia’s arbitrary self-destruct button by mistake, so… yeah.

            I take back my comments that Abaddon should have come with this release. It isn’t the story of how the Chaos Warmaster finally crushed the fortress planet standing between him and Terra, it’s the story of how a panicking confused Imperial magos screwed up and shot his entire civilization in the foot. It’s not Abaddon’s story, it’s Cawls, so Cawl being the big release makes sense.

            I guess.

            /semi-facetious bitterness

  • Sam Nolton

    I mean…he’s got to, right? GW has to know by now that Abaddon’s model is super outdated and sad looking.

    …unless maybe Fall of Cadia (or its sequel books) kill Abaddon off once and for all?

    • Angel Grinder

      that was the other potential option that drifted through my head, or captured by the Necron collector and out of the picture for a bit……….

      • Sam Nolton

        This definitely feels like the “end times” that Warhammer experienced – big releases of stuff people wanted for a long time (gene cult, sisters, etc) and big events released in book-form, pushing the storyline forward. Wouldn’t be surprised if Abaddon dies in this, or (like Archaon for fantasy) wins and has an apotheosis and returns in the new edition as a bigger, badder model.

        • Muninwing

          i’d rather that any characters they killed stayed dead… there’s too many named SC anyway.

          • Xodis

            Agreed, lets kill them all, keep any new ones in the narrative alone, and go back to create your own SC’s.

          • Karru

            As long as they actually allow us to make our own SCs. The problem with the current characters in both AoS and 40k is that there is really no good way to make them “unique”. They have nothing going on for them that would allow you to make your own “Leader”. That’s why I always use Special Characters as a base for my own characters. I convert the model, create his backstory and in the game he uses the rules for a named character.

            If GW took the time to make an armoury section similar to what we had in 4th edition and add extra purchasable rules for your Warlord that would affect the entire army if you so desired, then they can go ahead and axe every single named character as far as I care.

            Basically a system where you make your own “named” character. You can give him the basic Wargear, but you can also give those items special traits for a price. Then you can give him special rules. Standard ones like maybe Hit & Run, Stealth or Furious Charge. Then there would be a nicely sized list of unique rules. For example, Orks would have things like “Speed Freak” that would make all Bikes Troops or “the Biggest and De Baddest” would make all Nobz Troops. You could also give him something like you can WAAAAGH!!! twice during the game or units within 12″ of roll three dice for a charge.

            A system where we can finally make our own characters would have me in tears.

          • Muninwing

            it’s one of the things about AoS that lines up better with the new genre… but does not work always with 40k

            GW games have always been a bit more low fantasy, low sci-fi. the horrors, the grittiness, the simplicity, they’ve all shifted the stories down a notch so that the legendary is less important than the common. there have been some larger-than-life names, but they have not been the movers and shakers of the overall events, meaning that the common hero has been more important to everyone but the elves, or the old stories that exit within the world (the places where it dips into the High Fantasy). until, maybe, the “ward era” of writing with the dominance of Tyrion/Teclis in one world and Draigo in the other.

            most of the 40k lore is the same way. it’s more of an incomplete history that has lapsed into stories and legends due to the run down nature of the overall setting, instead of living amidst the legendary.

            so much emphasis on the SCs means putting the legendary characters front-and-center. making them so much better than their contemporaries separates out the heroes from the commoners, making it far more High Genre than the low that everything else is.

            maybe it’s the preference of the current batch of writers, but that they were hired to do the job means that someone no longer understand their product or why it has been successful.

        • Sonic tooth

          id hate that. one of my main issues with end times was that chaos won.

          • Sam Nolton

            Yeah I’m not a fan of that either, it felt very forced. It’d feel forced for 40k too since Chaos just…sorta chills in the Eye of Terror mostly. Tyranids are “winning” 40k in the overall story.

          • Darth Bumbles

            I think Chaos succeeded, but Sigmar won.

          • Sonic tooth

            talking about end times has reminded me how angry i am over what they did to the old world. bretonnia gone, tomb kings gone, elf fluff ruined, classic characters killed off pointlessly. ill never get over it!!!! whats to stop them doing it to 40k? shows how far theyre willing to go…..thankfully im not as invested in 40k as i was/am in whfb

          • David Leimbach

            Spoiler alert: everyone dies eventually.

    • generalchaos34

      I imagine that they are saving him for a book further down the line instead of putting all of their cool models in one release. Plus with the December of chaos I assume they are giving us a little break with an Imperium release

  • Graham Roden

    I’m sure GW have the technology to modify one of the plastic cataphractii terminators or even the excellent forgeworld miniature.

  • Xodis

    As much as I want a new Abaddon model, I kind of hope all the SCs just get killed off or put in a “Narrative only” bubble so they make room for better “create your own” HQ kits.

    • Karru

      As I pointed out before, as long as those “HQ kits” allow us to make actually unique characters and not just regular joes with different weapons, then I’m with you on that.

      • Zack Seiders

        Already in process of making a biker lord, 2 biker sorcerers and a terminator lord. “might make a sorcerer as well”. Have 3 daemon princes as well, soon I will have enough characters to lead a black crusade “fluff daemon princes and REALLY successful chaos lords/ sorcerers tend to run their own black crusades… not just abbadon, smaller scale but more successful”

    • ZeeLobby

      Yeah. I don’t think that’s ever happening again. I think we’re going more towards hero-hammer 40K style.

      • Xodis

        I agree, doesnt mean I have to like it though lol (says someone who owns all CSM special characters lol)

  • Bryan Ruhe

    Good grief, I really dislike the new tripping Kharn. One miss out of numerous home runs, though.

    • ZeeLobby

      He’s just drunk off blood and skulls again…

  • rtheom

    We aren’t getting a new Abaddon yet because by the end of this campaign he will be ascending to daemonhood and we will be receiving a new daemonic action figure… I mean model.

    • Karru

      I really hope that doesn’t happen. His entire “thing” is that he is a Mortal leading the Legions of Chaos. Most Mortal Lords can only lead Warbands, only Daemon Princes have the authority and strength to lead actual armies. Abaddon should always remain Mortal, we already have the Greater Daemons and the Daemon Primarchs, no need to make the Warmaster into a Daemon as well.

      • rtheom

        How else will they be able to make him the size of a Ken doll? :p

    • Abaddon ascending to Daemonhood goes utterly contrary to his whole character and arc for the past 10,000 years. He does not want to be a daemon. he has the mental strength to resist temptation. He does not wish to fall prey to the same stuff that is causing grief for the Primarchs.

      He uses daemons as tools, he does not desire to ascend.

      • ZeeLobby

        He just doesn’t bow to daemons. I’ve never heard anywhere that he wouldn’t ascend? (it’d be cool to read, if you know where it is?)

        • 6Cobra

          It’s in some old fluff (can’t remember which) something along the lines of “Abbadon has been offered immortality twelve times and more, but has refused..” or words to that effect.

        • Check Aaron Dembski-Bowden’s Let’s Talk about Abaddon blog from a few years back, he cites the archives over at GW. I tried quoting a section and linking there but the comments get stuck in the moderation queue for no apparent reason.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. Mod queue is annoying. Haha. I’ll check it out. Thanks!

      • rtheom

        But suddenly 8th!

        • So what? It is 8th Edition, not a reboot like AoS was. They’re putting a stronger emphasis on the narrative again and all they’ve done so far has been an extension of what has come before, not an utter contradiction.

          • rtheom

            :: winky face ::

          • Bugger off. There’s no fear on my end, just a disdain for tinfoil hattery.

          • rtheom

            :: extra winky face ::

      • Nwttp

        Why wouldn’t he want to be immortal? I’d prefer him not, but it a story sense it could work.

        • Darth Bumbles

          He’s a first generation Astartes whose been fannying about in the Warp (according to “Talon of Horus” he’s walked from one side of the Eyevto the other).
          If anyone is immortal, he is.

          Ascending to Daemonhood is actually giving yourself a weakness (c.f. Lorgars rumoured imprisonment by theWord Bearers) that an enemy could exploit.

        • Because it’d tie him irrevocably to the wills of the fickle gods. It is weakness. Yes, he’d be “immortal” but he’d also be half here, half there, and prone to banishing. He sneers at big daemons and even the Primarchs having to prepare specific circumstances to even materialize again after banishment. Nevermind that being banished results in an undeterminable amount of time in exile.

          Immortality is only a good opportunity if you expect to die, really. Abaddon does not. He is immensely powerful as it is, and the Chaos Gods basically beg for him to dedicate himself to the pantheon – and he has the power to refuse.

          One of the big gripes Abaddon has with Horus still is that Horus let himself be fooled by Chaos and became a pawn, and he himself wishes not to repeat it.

          • Nwttp

            Indeed. It wouldn’t work for his goals, but if it were me… demon prince all the way

      • Brian Griffith

        He doesn’t want to be a daemon until the Imperium is in ashes.

        Slight difference, there.

    • ZeeLobby

      Hahaha. Too true. He’ll be a daemon prince riding a dragon on top of a beetle!

    • AX_472

      He’ll eat the emperor and become a new chaos god incarnate. Released as The Avatar of Abaddon. Lol.

  • Branahar

    Typhus is temp out of stock on the UK Web Shop

  • Defenestratus

    Abaddon gets a new model when the phoenix lords get theirs 😛

    I think the PL’s are older anyways. I could be wrong.

    • Loki Nahat

      they are you are right, they’re much older models

  • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

    wasn’t he wounded? Perhaps that will be an opportunity to change the appearance of the model somewhat.

  • amaximus167

    I heard a rumor that we will see two more Chaos characters re-sculpted before we see Abaddon’s model. So, there are some rumors out there. Just not a lot of buzz.

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      my money’s on Fabius and Typhus.

      • amaximus167

        I would tend to agree with you, since Fabius just got a novel. I can’t see them doing two Emperor’s Children in a row with Fabius and Lucius.

        • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

          Lucius is a relatively new model. And Fabius’ a Renegade, so he doesn’t really count as an EC Marine. Can’t even take him in an EC Detachment, really.

        • Lucius is getting a new novel/trilogy starting this year, actually. They already kicked it off with a lead-in audio drama over the advent calendar shorts, by the same author. The cover for the Lucius novel looks pretty neat.

          • amaximus167

            Huh, I had no idea! Well, I guess it is all up in the air!

          • It was posted on Warhammer Community’s What we learned at Black Library Live post. Can’t link it without getting into the mod queue though I assume.
            “Lucius: The Faultless Blade” by Ian St Martin, who did the Deathwatch novel for Legends of the Dark Millennium.

          • amaximus167

            Ahhh, that explains it. I have kind of been ignoring the BL posts on Warhammer Community due to my large pile of books that I need to read.

  • Painjunky

    I hope they don’t screw up abaddon like they did with kharn.

    Stupid chain skulls. He’s trying to run so hard!

    • Khârn’s chain skulls aren’t exclusive to the new model. They took them straight from the original.

  • SilentPony

    Yeah, but everything in the Inquisition is out of stock right now, including the Triumvirate of the Imperium, and I doubt we’re in for new models for them. We should be because they’re terrible models, but I doubt GW is about to pull them and start again.

  • benn grimm

    Forget Failbaddon, I want a new model for Weird Al Yankovic…

  • Stephan McColl

    I would love a new Abaddon model, I know not everyone agrees But I love the character, in particular from talon of Horus novel. Give the warmaster some love!

  • kingcobra668

    Because he is going to finally be risen to a daemon prince by all 4 gods for finally crushing Cadia 😉

    • Completely contrary to all the archived background material in GW’s vaults, and the vision of the overlords of the IP, then?

      • kingcobra668

        Pretty clearly a joke there, pup.

  • Andrew

    I’m hoping that they don’t make him stupid and turn him into a daemon prince or something. Or have him riding a heldrake. Just scale up the model to at least be as big as the current terminator kit.

  • Ebsolom

    Seeing that he is the main antagonist in all this, logic leads me to believe that he will be reborn in glorious plastic.
    GWs’ logic however…

  • Sleeplessknight

    I betcha he’s gonna get released with some crazy chariot, mount or something silly like that to force him into becoming an unnecessary centerpiece for the army.

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      Nah, hardwired into a Knight, because armlessness.

  • Alvin Adorno

    What if they kill him off along with some one big from the imperial side. OR if tyzran gets him in a cube?

  • Arthfael

    Give them gold, they will demand mithril.

  • Kord

    I think they will release a new Abaddon after the Cadia book. I think they used the old one in this story so they could wound him to the point where he has to accept Apotheosis. Now they can make him a daemon prince, possibly on par with a Daemon Primarch. The leader of the Black legion would have to become a daemon prince if the daemon Primarchs are coming back.

    Even if you buy and old Abaddon, making him a daemon prince necessitates you buy the new model. Just my 2 cents.

    • Why’d he have to become a daemon prince just because the Daemon Primarchs are coming back? They’ve basically sworn allegiance to him already. Magnus was even forced to bow to him.

  • Brian Griffith

    If I were to do up a plastic Abaddon, I’d avoid making him a big fig.

    Go the Celestine route. Release a new Abaddon in plastic, but pack in some sort of Dark Mournival with four other characters in Justaerin terminator armor (like the 30k Justaerin unit, but chaos’d up), and make it a formation.

  • DaveTycho

    Just get FW Abaddon, add FW Warmaster Horus’ Talon, use the trophy rack from the Chaos Terminator Lord, find a suitably large daemon sword and viola! Updated Abaddon model.

    And kitbashing all of this would still be cheaper than a new plastic Abaddon kit that GW would sell.

  • luke-vdv

    A new model is inevitable, but I love the current Abaddon.

  • Dan Keller

    Anyone notice at the beginning of the Fall of Cadia video they splash images of dramatic characters in the new story https://youtu.be/HQxvP7VAqnI?t=7. But at @ 0:08, it looks like Abaddon, but with a skull head?

  • Praminat0r

    Im just going to put this out there; If Cadia falls, Abbadon will likely be made into a demon prince, and then get a new massive model. Just my 2 cents