AoS: Why All The Stormcast Love?

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The Stormcast Eternals are getting a new Battletome before some armies even get their first one – what gives?!

Games Workshop has been pretty open that the Stormcast Eternals are getting a new Battletome to coincide with the release of the new Vanguard Chamber. It has a lot of folks, myself included, wondering why they are getting the attention in February and not those Duardin we keep hearing about. Well, on closer examination it’s pretty clear why: Stormcasts are the Poster-boys of Age of Sigmar.

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It’s Poster-Boy Syndrome

The Stormcast Eternals are the Space Marines of AoS – it’s pretty obvious for anyone who’s picked-up or looked at AoS. To the general public, they are the “new good guys” – and why not! They have a very recognizable aesthetic (love it or hate it), are very easy to build & paint, and are relatively forgiving on the tabletop. They are the “Gateway” for new players, the army lots of folks gravitate toward as their first entry into Age of Sigmar.

60010299007_StormofSigmarENG01It helps that Stormcasts are in pretty much every starter set for the game, too.

If you’re a veteran GW alum, you’ve seen this before with the Space Marines. But there is a method to the Games Workshop madness. Ever notice that Space Marines are the only 40k army to get regular updates and rules? There have even been editions where the Marines basically got two codex updates before some armies got looked at! Why is that? Because they are the cornerstone of 40k, and the Stormcasts Eternals are the cornerstone of AoS.

The Cornerstone of Age of Sigmar

What do I mean by the term “Cornerstone” – well, if we’re being literal, it’s the stone forms the base of a corner of a building. It’s typically the first stone you put down and it sets the “square” for the rest of the building. All other stones are placed square to that one – if it’s off, the whole building is off. In other words, every stone is measured against that particular stone and ever other stone requires that the cornerstone be “perfect” for the building to be square.

foundation repairSomething’s not squared-up here…

The Stormcast Eternals are that stone – they set the tone for every other army in the game. They are the stick by which other armies are measured and designed. You can’t go to an event and expect to do well if you didn’t plan on facing Stormcasts. They have answers to most things in the game and other armies have to have a way to deal with them as well. But that also means they need the most attention. If they are off or require a tweak, it can toss everything else out of whack.

Testing Testing Testing

I noticed an interesting trend with these new Battletomes and I think it further supports this theory. Last year, before the General’s Handbook came out it really felt like GW was experimenting with their Battletomes and the Grand Alliance books. They were also cranking out campaign books that had units and missions and things like that. For awhile, we thought maybe that was their new model – it certainly seemed to be the case for 40k, too.

But recently they have shifted again and it looks they are going back to the old school army book layout. Every Battletome post-General’s Handbook is laid out similarly. Sylvaneth and Beastclaw Raiders has the same format but didn’t have the points. But ever since those came out, Games Workshop has been using that same template: Lore Section, Model Showcase/painting, Rules, and Points. It’s easy to navigate and keeps it consistent across the line. They did it with Disciples of Tzeentch as the first “true post-General’s Handbook Battletome” and they are now doing it with the Stormcasts.

Lord-Aquilor

 

“To accompany this impressive range of new models the Stormcast Eternals are also getting a brand new Battletome. This book will match the format of the recent Disciples of Tzeentch book, and will be packed with content for those who love Sigmar and his champions. The background of the book, like Chaos Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch before it, explores the setting beyond the events of the Realmgate Wars, including Sigmar’s new cities.

Gamers will find all the current Stormcast Eternal units, as well as all the news ones in there, along with Allegiance Abilities, battleplans, magical Artefacts, Battalions, prayers and more besides. For the first time, we’ll also get specific abilities to represent the most famed Stormhosts like the Hammers of Sigmar and the Hallowed Knights (Only the Faithful!)”

We’re going to get a consolidated battletome with all the models and their rules as well as “Allegiance Abilities, battleplans, magical Artefacts, Battalions, prayers and more”. That should make anyone who plays Stormcasts weep with joy! I’m really expecting to see all the different warscrolls from across the Realmgate Wars books included because that would make life a lot easier in terms of knowing where to find things.

But they didn’t use their Poster-Boys as the guinea pigs – they used the other factions first. Once they got their magic formula down, they then applied it to the Stormcasts…Kind of like how Games Workshop treats the Space Marines.

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Ever notice that when it’s time for a new edition to come out GW puts out a “bridge codex” that mostly works with the previous edition and new edition. Then typically a Xenos codex to make sure it’s all good. And THEN the Marines get a rock-solid codex that can stand up against pretty much anything. Later on down the line they also get additional supplements that help 1) tweak things for them and 2) introduce new models.

Well that was the same thing they did with the General’s Handbook, which is basically AoS 2.0. Beastclaw Raiders and Sylvaneth were basically the bridge books. Disciples of Tzeentch is the “test” book. And now This new Stormcast Battletome is the new cornerstone of the game.

Look, I’m not saying it’s like that 100% of the time, this is just a theory after-all. But looking back at the last couple of editions of 40k and seeing the parallels, it’s starting to make sense.

So What About Chaos?

They are very, very similar if you look at it. Are they widely available in starter boxes? Yes. Are they pretty iconic looking? Yes. Are they relatively easy to build, paint and play? Check, check and check. So why not them?

I’m guessing it’s a lot of reasons really – it’s probably some combination of the fact that there are 4 chaos gods, they are the bad guys and GW has been really pushing/marketing the Stormcasts on a lot of the “newbie-friendly” materials. There probably even more things to take into account, but, for whatever reason, Games Workshop decided Stormcasts are the way to go. They are deeply committed to making Stormcasts the center of the AoS universe.

sigmar-statueThey even put a Stormcast Statue up in front of the HQ…

It’s All In The Lore

From a lore standpoint, it makes a lot of sense. At the End of Warhammer Fantasy 8th in the End Times books, Chaos wins. At the dawn of AoS, Sigmar has launched a new war to take back the Realms from Chaos. In the previous editions it’s always felt like Chaos was the aggressor and the “Good Guys” were always on their back foot fighting an unwinnable war. Turns out that’s because they were always going to end up losing.

sigmar-throne-horzIt was all according to plan…

Now, AoS has flipped that narrative – The Good Guys are pushing back Chaos. Order is the side that needs to establish a beachhead and press the attack. Chaos is having to fight defensively. In a weird way, the Stormcasts still have this underdog vibe as their small, elite bands have to face this unending enemy. But they are winning! It’s like Games Workshop captured that feeling of rooting for Rocky vs Ivan Drago…”How is he able to do this!?” Because he’s the feisty underdog that just won’t quit. People love to root for the underdog and doubly so when that hero is the Good Guy of the story. And that’s why Stormcasts are getting all the love…enjoy it while it lasts.

 

I’m really hoping GW gets around to the other factions and gives them some attention too. But for now, I totally understand why Stormcasts are getting all the love.

  • BaronSnakPak

    As much as I like seeing the love that Sigmarines are getting, it would be nice if that love was spread a bit more evenly. There are armies with incredible potential, but only have a handful of units. My Ironjaws only have 8 units, 5 of which are characters, 2 of those 5 are a variation of the same model, and 1 of the troop units is a WHFB box with round bases.

    • D. B.

      There are armies with great potential that were squatted *cough* Bretonnians *cough*, never mind just having a handful of units.

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        Brets were just medieval knights, so many other systems have knights.

        At least the empire had a weird twist on the Holy Roman Empire.

        • Sonic tooth

          yes but no other system had medieval knights in the warhammer world…lots of people like medieval knights. (game of thrones? eternal popularity of king arthur stories?) some people like dark elves vs high elves. some people like Egyptian themed undead……

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Brets are pretty dependant on their surroundings to work, and so they really have to be released once all other races and monsters have been fleshed out.

            They feel a bit supplementary, rather than an intrinsic part of a warhammer universe.

            They would need giving their own unique identity if they were to go into AoS, going by what GW wants to do with their universe.

          • Aezeal

            THere won’t be that many human factions I think, certainly not 2 seperate knight factions. It’s freeguild and maybe within that faction more than one book in the end… but not 2 different books about knights.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            I wouldn’t mind an Arthurian style army.

            absolutely no infantry, some sort of charge and retreat mechanic, maybe Knights with living heraldry. Their armour giving them the power to survive in the more chaotic realms.

          • Aezeal

            Well you already have a formation for freeguild knights. I don’t think there will be an all cavalry faction though. It doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t make for a well rounded army. Magic armor isn’t for regular humans I’d say.. Sigmar has most of his blessings invested in the humans deserving it after dead (so stormcasts).

        • Karru

          Also gameplay-wise they were the only true Cavalry army in a Rank-&-File game. All other armies used them as support, but Bretonnians used Cavalry as their core unit to devastating effect.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            That is true, It would be nice to have a cav army in AoS

            I think the Grph army could do that, they just need to be given lances.

          • Karru

            It would still be better to have Bretonnians as the Cavalry army. Actual horses riding towards the enemy, smashing into their lines and crushing them with lance and hoof. The problem is that currently there is no great Cavalry in AoS, there is only Monstrous Cavalry usually. Small units of 3-5 where the mounts are most likely the more terrifying opponent.

      • Admiral Raptor

        They still have (good) rules and tons of non-GW miniature support. Definitely worth playing.

    • Admiral Raptor

      Ironjaws are tough. I run them as part of a mixed destruction force with my regular Orcs and Ogres. I don’t think they have the tools to stand on their own just yet.

  • Golden Yak

    Couldn’t be happier to be seeing Chaos put on the back foot. Time for some cosmic payback.

    • Sleeplessknight

      And then all the forces of chaos will be destroyed to the point where even their armies are squatted and there were ONLY Stormcast Eternals. And everyone would play Stormcast Eternals and nothing else. Oh how exciting those days will be when armies of Stormcast Eternals face off in battle against Stormcast Eternals to determine the fate of nothing! Because they were just practicing to prepare themselves in battle against an enemy that will never come. Eventually these warriors will tire of waiting and enjoy sunny afternoons sipping tea and enjoying crumpets. Armies of Stormcast Eternals will gather and pour each other tea on 4+ without spilling a drop and eat crumpets on 5+. Oh those will be the glorious days of the future of warhammer.

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        sounds a bit like 40k

        • Karru

          Some people think that as a joke, but with the current rule releases for 40k that is exactly what we’ll see in the future.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Its been like it for a while. Too many people play spacemarines.

            Its a hard truth, but its the predominantly the players fault for buying too many spacemarines.

          • Karru

            Can’t blame them. Thanks to GW following the money first and foremost and doesn’t do any research, Space Marines will remain as the most played army. They are the solid choice because you know for a fact that you’ll be getting constant support and never fall behind in rules. It’s not like playing CSM or Orks who get forgotten completely or have to live in fear of another mediocre or bad book coming out next.

            Then you have the campaign books that will most likely include something for Space Marines no matter what armies normally fight. If GW design team wasn’t so biased towards Space Marines and Imperials, we might see a lot more diversity on the table.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Orks used to be huge (about the time of mad max) and GW has pretty much always followed the money, lets not kid ourselves.

            If people didn’t buy so many marines we wouldn’t see this. GW just stumbled on such a popular toy, and we lapped it up.

          • Karru

            They always have, but there was a massive difference back in the day. When the old guard was still doing the books, the releases were more balanced. All factions got new models and updates, slowly but in the end they got them. No faction had overwhelming support over the others. Rule-wise they were also quite balanced, there was no heavy favouring in that regard as well.

            This is the current problem. You look at the Space Marine codex and you see nothing but amazing rules, even if you look at the 6th edition book. Then you look at the 6th edition CSM codex and it is utter garbage compared to that one. There is clearly heavy favouring of the Imperials and SM in particular within the Design team which causes the issue.

            It’s not that GW “managed to release extremely popular army”, they purposefully made it the most popular. They made all the other armies mediocre outside a few “accidents” like Eldar and Tau, but beyond that they made sure that SM would be the most played faction.

  • Frank Krifka

    I think what we’re actually being is a ruleset worked out in real time in response to player demands.

    It sounds odd that GW would be the company doing this, but it makes sense considering the changes AoS has gone through since it’s release.

    Phase 1 was the “bring whatever you want play as you see fit” with battletomes being more of a glossy photo+story and maybe a collection of warscrolls than a bone-fide “army book”.

    Phase 2 was the release of the generals handbook to agree player concerns about balance and guidelines for army compositions in competitive events. The first three books written with the general’s rulebook in mind (Sylvaneth, Beastclaw raiders and Ironjawz) were “test books” to see how players responded to the new “matched play” ruleset.

    My guess is that the return to stormcast, the poster-boys and AoS protagonists in a lot of the new fiction, is partly also a return to beginning of the release cycle. to bring everything released under AoS phase 1 up to par before continuing forward.

    • ZeeLobby

      Well, GW was the last company to start doing this, but I am super happy that they are. It’s got me interested in playing their games again at least.

      I’m really hoping we see a General’s Handbook 2 this summer.

      • Frank Krifka

        I think you stand a good chance to see that. If not by summer than certainly soon after.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. As long as they keep that momentum going I’m all for it. I still remember that one round of FAQs back in the day that then simply languished for years. Anything that shows they’re willing to get more involved in how their game plays is a huge plus for me.

  • Karru

    It is indeed easy to see why they are getting most of the love in AoS right now. It’s the same reason why Imperials are getting most of it in 40k. Sales numbers are a massive factor and because Stormcast are amongst the most powerful in the game right now, people are buying them.

    When it comes to what I would instead like to see, I’d much rather see High Elves and Humans get released. Basic Humans and High Elves. No unnatural or magical, just plain Humans and Elves. I couldn’t give one flying F about the world of AoS because I find it extremely boring and lazy in design, but I do now enough that the “survivors” are a very important part of the world. Their absence from the game is noticeable.

    From design standpoint, I’d like Humans to be a mixture of the current Empire line and the old Bretonnian line in look. Heavier infantry in Gothic Knight Armour while supported by Handgunners in stockings. With High Elves I’d like to see pretty much the current design. Some armour but mostly just ropes. Posing wise I’d love them to be more “disciplined”. No action hero jumps or leaping from rocks or something dumb like that.

    • Darth Bumbles

      I like that, gives them an entirely different feel to Sigmarines, based on Cromwell’s New Model Army perhaps?
      You had mounted cavilary, pikemen and rifles/pistols and cannon.

    • Aezeal

      They aren’t really absent… they are just not written about. It’s clear Sigmar’s freeguild people are building and populating mutliple large cities in several realms.

      • Mira Bella

        Could you name a few of those citys? Or a few of their leaders? Anything really?

        • Aezeal

          No as I said.. they aren’t written about, only generally mentioned that they exist as far as I know. Only the cities in that latest campaign are named as far as I know.

        • ZeeLobby

          Anything would be nice.

        • Munn

          In the city of Excelsis, in the heart of the Realm of Beasts, Corporal Armand Callis of the city watch stumbles upon a dark secret and finds himself hunted, with just a witch hunter for companionship.

    • BaronSnakPak

      I’m not trying to sway your opinion here, but you find the AoS world boring and lazy, and want a return to the Tolkien-esque fantasy that everyone and their mother has been aping for a century?

      Different strokes, but I find that style of fantasy to be insanely stale and derivative. AoS is bringing a refreshing take on fantasy imo.

      • Karru

        Well, the problem is that the current writing team of GW lacks greatly in originality and style. AoS lore is just a stripped version of Magic: The Gathering, but the problem is that all the lore they put into is still very lacking. At least in the Old World you had years of lore to use with lots of different kingdoms and races. Just a personal opinion.

        • BaronSnakPak

          AoS has only been around for a year and a half, it makes sense that the lore doesn’t have years of fluff to build off, it’s still being built.

          • ZeeLobby

            Right, but you skipped the part about just the writing team in general. Most of the plots are rather unimaginative. There’s no humanistic struggle, etc. It’s just very bland (the likening to a weak MtG universe is pretty accurate). Regardless of how much you add to it, if they don’t improve the writing, it does’t suddenly become amazing. Quality over quantity.

          • BaronSnakPak

            I didn’t though. If they kept the old world shtick, then they would have been unimaginative, because literally every piece of fantasy since Tolkien rips off Tolkien. The only similarity to MtG is that there are uncountable realms, that’s it. The fact that it shares one aspect to one piece of fiction doesn’t make it more unoriginal than if it kept using over-used tropes and settings.

            They haven’t focused on “normal” human struggles, because the story is still at the point where order is starting to win back territory from chaos, so that eventually normal people can begin to thrive again. It’s a game about conflict in diverse settings with diverse and powerful forces, it makes sense that the stories are about conflict, and not the mundane. It wouldn’t make sense for the Old World to end, and then the story picks up thousands of years later and everything’s the same as it was before.

            Who knows, maybe they’ll get to a point where they re-introduce the Bretonnians and the Empire, once they’ve had time to rebuild and want to lend their forces to the fight, and they’ll get new toys/abilities to make them unique to the setting.

          • Munn

            The new book sounds awesome actually. They even go out of their way to mention that the good guy COULD call in the stormcasts at any time but don’t because the Chamber that operates in excelsis tends to treat chaos outbreaks in a sort of ‘purge it all and let sigmar sort them’ way.

  • Asrai

    I hope they will put wanderers and sylvaneth together… If you look on the gw website, the wanderer Prince (old araloth) miniature is dead… I think that we will become new Wanderers, or they just release the wood elves battletome with the sylvaneth, with the new spells and with the magical artefacts!

    • benn grimm

      What? Combine wood elves with the forest spirits??? That’s crazy talk right there…

      • Asrai

        ^^ just my theory

        • benn grimm

          Sounds like a fairly safe assertion to me 😉

          Have you played the Wood Elves in Total war warhammer yet?

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            If GW can knock out a forest dragon that comes anywhere close to the one in the DLC, It’d be an instant buy from me.

          • Aezeal

            I’ve not seen that one.. I do love my old forest dragons though.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers
          • Aezeal

            I prefer the serpentine dragon I had actually.

          • Aezeal

            I woulnd’t mind being able to use all my models as one army again. But I do not thing it will happen anytime soon. I think the best that might happen isthem getting a few shared formations.

    • Cylux

      He’ll be back, more than a few of the plastic character models have sold out, gone to no longer available, only to return later on alongside some other releases. Before you get too excited though I’d put more money on him returning alongside the next Warhammer Quest game than a wanderers release.

  • Daniel

    I don’t give a… who they want them to be. I want balance. I’m not supporting SE any more. Want as many new factions as possible. Not. 1 dominating and rest as an addon.

    • Aezeal

      More troops in one faction doesn’t mean it’s unbalanced. As far as I can see SE aren’t the strongest faction out there in competative play. They aren’t domination for sure.
      Apart from tombkings legacy factions are somewhat weaker though and I guess that might be your real problem. It just not because of the Stormcasts. (though if they released other books instead of more stormcasts the problem would be a bit smaller).

    • Admiral Raptor

      SE aren’t broken. They’ve got a couple great formations but they’re completely middle of the road otherwise.

      • Karru

        I am not 100% sure that it was that what he meant. I believe it could be that he meant product support. Currently Stormcast are dominating on that regard. I do get it that they are new and all that, but so are Fireslayers and Sylvaneth. Why aren’t we seeing new books and models for them constantly? Because GW is once again starting the “poster boy focus” thing.

        It would be great to see something else for a change. Regular Humans and Elves are amongst the most requested.

  • Koen Diepen Van

    Personally i really dislike just how much like 40k AOS is. The old setting had a point of view faction ( empire). But AOS has a main faction. Indeed sigmarites are just like marines and in the end we are going to end up the same whit every body and thier mom haveing a sigmarite army and we all end up playing against the same armie over and over.

    • Aezeal

      In my small scene I’ve not played against SE yet 😀

  • benn grimm

    Lol. Some guys like Nuns with guns, some guys like half naked cyber punk gladiators; Gw (and a large proportion of the fan base) are obsessed with big, strong, tall, muscular, slightly autistic, slightly sociopathic men… and who are we to judge? You like what you like, it takes all sorts and all that jazz.

    • ZeeLobby

      Hahahaha. The perfect description of SpaceMarines/SigMarines.

      • Munn

        and 2.5 out of 6 for most of the people in the comments.

  • wibbling

    Workshop can’t do everything at once and the Eternals are the game poster boys.

    As they’re in the starter box those are the models most new gamers are going to have so it makes commercial sense to flesh those out.

    However remember that we’ve just had a Tzeentch release, Magnus the red and Thousand Sons.

    • Christie Bryden

      yeah but two grand alliances are hugly lacking, destruction and death (death especialy) have had little to no new releases, order has had more than the others combined now.

      • Right, but destruction had 3 battletome releases (everything but goblins almost) plus new models and death 1 battletome and a bunch of releases during end times that carries over. Plus they both had decades of model releases during fantasy. Stormcast are completely new and being built from the ground up with no past catalog to lean on. It makes sense for them to get more releases initially.

        • Christie Bryden

          yet the only new thing for BOTH death and destruction is ironjaws, of which only had 2 new units 1 monster that can be made into a special character and 3 on feet heroes. Death only had flesh eater courts all of which was rereleases.

          Now look at the difference in size between grand alliance order, and grand alliance death and destruction.

          now take in mind order got 3 stormcast books, 1 fire dwarfs, lizardmen rerelease and tree people.

          you see where the disparacy is now?

          it should also be noted that stormcast now has VASTLY greater diversity than both fire dwards and ironjaws combined.

          • Aezeal

            Death has some seriously nice large kits, maybe not as new as all the stormcast stuff but of the same quality.

            And it’s not like you can easily/effectively use 3 stormcast books in 1 1500- 2000 point battle.. so essentialy you are just starting other armies by picking up more of those books (yes I know it’s not really true.. but it’s close).

      • ledha

        destruction had 3 battletome, 2 of them (bonnesplitterz and beastclaw) having their special command ability, items and spells. They are far from lacking. Chaos only had the khorne bloodbound and pestilens before the tzeentch release and death only the flesh eaters

    • Sonic tooth

      marines just kind of became the poster boys of 40k and they altered the game accordingly, whereas they are blatantly FORCING the stormcast down out throats to make them the poster boy whether we like it or not. theres no excuse for bringing out more stormcast when everyone else actually wants something else, absolutely no reason for it.. the spire odf dawn set sold out instantly, the starter box didnt. i for one, dont like the fluff, dont like the setting and have no interest in these stupid looking stormcast. they are always going to be better then everyone else as they are the marines of aos. i also have a feeling alot more people like the sylvaneth since the game only really started to take off once they were released.

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        Marines were created as a way to exploit the popularity of Chaos Warriors.

        It was a deliberate move to make Marines the poster boys of 40k.

        • Sonic tooth

          was it? i was only around 13 at the time. memory a bit fuzzy. but when i came back to the hobby after a 20 year gap everything was all about space marines in a way it hadnt been in my youth.mind you, i always liked the beakie aesthetic myself. chaos warriors and beastmen were what got me into it in the first place. i despise chaos now tho lol

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Oh yeah, there was a point where warhammer 40k became its own thing, and less like fantasy in space. (about the time squats were squatted)

            They really started making it all about the spacemarines then.

          • Sonic tooth

            squats were still alive and well when i was into it back then. i got out of it around the time the first plastic tyranids were introduced

      • Aezeal

        SE aren’t better than everyone else. They are just slightly above the middle of the list of the factions with army books.

        • Sonic tooth

          look at the art for the upcoming warhammer quest game? the stormcast dominates while everyone else is in the background. i expect more of this.

          • Aezeal

            I’d never dispute them being the posterboy for AoS and everything situated in that universe. If that is what you meant, you are right.. I don’t mind though, it seems like good marketing. But that isn’t what you saidin your first post and isn’t what my reply was about. They just aren’t better than all the rest in gameplay which is what is important, they aren’t overpowered compared to other army book releases, it’s all within an acceptable margin and SE not even being the strongest.

          • Sonic tooth

            i apologise, lost in my rant

          • Aezeal

            What is wrong with them being poster boys?

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            It is called age of sigmar…

    • StingrayP226

      O yes the Thousand Sons, beautiful models but lazily written rules that creates an elite army that cannot deal with Armor…

  • Christie Bryden

    Yes but that dosnt change the fact that they are BORING look at them, there chaos if you sucked out all the crazy out of khorne. Does this mean that they will relealease ironjaws and those flame dwarfs with new books and modles? I sure hope so, those armys atleast had character, once they appeared I felt AoS was going a step in the right direction, the more they push storm cast, the more AoS will suffer for it.

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      So, does this apply to spacemarines? Who I feel look just as dull in their standard colours.

      • luke-vdv

        No, because Space Marines were already there and match the sci-fi setting. Sigmarines look like Space Marines in a fantasy setting which doesn’t match. Not to mention that many Space Marine Chapters have lots of distinction.

        • thereturnofsuppuppers

          So, from my perceptive. Spacemarines are knights in armour (fantasy) in space.

          • luke-vdv

            Well, that’s silly because Space Marines were there first and have been around for a very long time. Your point of view is literally skewed by your bias unlike mine as a fan of both WHFB and 40k. It’s like saying High Elves are fantasy Eldar which is not true because High Elves came first, it’s the other way around.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Wait. I’ve been playing fantasy for 20 odd years and 40k for slightly less.

            I’m a massive raging GW fanboy, I think the only thing that’s never grabbed me was bloodbowl.

            Knights and Chaos Warriors came first in old school fantasy, then Space marines in rogue trader.

            Its based on fantasy in space with a satirical plot based on a medieval war in heaven.

      • ZeeLobby

        I honestly think it does. I don’t think they’d be considering a reboot of rules in 8th edition if 7th was working flawlessly. I think you are seeing the game hurt by those issues.

    • Horus84cmd

      #inyouropinion

      There are plenty of modellers than like them and find them interesting.

      • Karru

        Looks are always dependant on the one that does the looking. To me personally the Stormcasts themselves are extremely lazy in design. They just took Sanguinary Guards, removed all 40k bits, made them larger and gave them fantasy weapons. I have seen countless paint jobs of them, but nothing saves them for me.

        I still believe it would have been infinitely better option to make them much more sleek. It’s their bulkiness I find most hideous. Had they made them thinner and maybe improved the helmet design a bit, I would now have a Stormcast army. I love all the non-Stormcasts in the Stormcast army. Their mounts are extremely cool looking, but as soon as my gaze gets to the Stormcast that rides them, I lose all interest.

        • Horus84cmd

          Yeah – reasonable thinking!

          Miniatures (and any kind of art) are always going to subjective to personally opinion.

    • Aezeal

      I don’t play Stormcasts, but I have the starter set and I think they look great. Superhuman knights is what they look like, and it’s what they are according to the fluff.. so hits the mark.

    • Admiral Raptor

      Just like Space Marines, they are as interesting as you make them. I hate the golden scheme GW uses, but I’ve seen some amazing Stormcast done by the community.

    • Munn

      I’m sorry buy outside of skaven chaos is by far the blandest faction. Every Khorne model looks exactly the same, every nurgle model looks exactly the same, every tzeentch model looks exactly the same, and who gives a spit about slaanesh.

  • DDisforDangerous

    Well yeah, the game is called ‘Warhammer’ and warhammers are the Eternals’ main symbol. That’s a very deliberate move on GWs part.

    • Kritarion

      This is so obvious, I just realized this now.

  • Theik

    Because Sigmarines are the symbol of screwing over Warhammer Fantasy, and GW wants to rub some more salt in the wounds of veterans.

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      The star collecting Stormcast sets come with salt sachets now.

      • Horus84cmd

        It is why many models come with sharp weapon tips. So veteran gamers can quickly open wounds and rub it in.

    • Aezeal

      Ow sad boy. Really you are pathetic.. if I could I’d piss on your “wounds” too to rub it in some more.

      • Theik

        Shouldn’t you be in school? Or do actual adults talk like that too these days? ;P

        • Cylux

          A bit rich coming from some who seems to think the primary motivation for revamping a product range is one of spite.

          • Theik

            I know jokes on the internet are hard to comprehend sometime, but it’s hardly rocket surgery.

        • Aezeal

          This from someone whining more than my 4 year old youngest daughter?

        • Aezeal

          BTW my kids don’t go to school on Saturday anyway.

          • luke-vdv

            Your attitude makes me worry for your children’s future in society.

        • ZeeLobby

          It’s the internet, we can say whatever we want these days. In the past you would have got your butt whooped, but now we can hide behind our monitors.

    • Horus84cmd

      Yes, I am sure the design department and executives spend a large percentage of their time: sitting in darkened rooms; wear hooded cloaks: and scheming exactly how they can upset “veterans”. Grow up

      • Karru

        I too can’t see the logic behind this one. What we are seeing is the current norm of GW. Sigmarines are poster boys of AoS and because of this they get constant support. We see this in 40k in Space Marines, it’s not different. The Design team has decided that Sigmarines are the poster boys and thus focuses more on them.

      • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

        Without knowing how well it is selling, we can only guess at what their management is thinking. I still think they could’ve taken the prior setting and gave it more grimdark and polish it to reinvent while staying true to the core armies. Think alongside gothic horror with Dark Souls.

        The vibe I get from Age of Sigmar is more like a comic book setting akin to the Thor movies that came out over the past few years – Comic book superheroes in golden armor vs comic book villains.

        Old Warhammer Fantasy felt more as Tolkien fantasy mixed with 1960s/70s horror movies that had Vincent Price/Christopher Lee. I think some WFB people enjoyed that setting and are still upset it got blown away so when they see more of the new setting it flares up old wounds.

        • Horus84cmd

          Old WH was great, but it was much more mixed that you described. It was pretty much a mis-mash of every fantasy- trope/genre going. Hobbyist rightly so enjoyed it, and I am one of them. However, to parallel and insinuate GW are purposely attempting to annoy people is just sad and frankly pathetic.

          I would personally hazard the change of setting and vibe of the game’s setting (and rule) was for two fundamental reason. Firstly, copy-right issues; making every far easier to copy-right means GW can better protect their IP (as they should and as any company does). Secondly, it gave them a blank canvas to re-introduce WH to swaths of players who would have never touched it (for whatever reason: rules or background).

          I think it is fair to say that the general consensus from players was that WFB had, for one reason or the other, stagnated; much like 40K has in last couple of years. It needed change. Could that change of happen using WFB setting – perhaps? Honestly though, it was a ballsy move to take a 30 year old franchise and turn it on its head; and frankly it would appear from recent financials, one that has paid off.

          I applaud them for having those guts.

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    Because just about every other faction has a more or less fully fleshed out stable of models, that can be fielded in a large variety of ways. Until Stormcast gets its own Artillery, or a compelling reason not to have any, expect new faction releases every 28-56 days.

  • Beefcake the mighty

    Age of Sigmar is a stillborn pig. It’s diet 40k. Of course it favours the imperium.

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      A stllborn pig and a barren sow, what a wonderful hobby we enjoy.

  • thereturnofsuppuppers

    Maybe they just sell quite well?

    Liked Spacemarines, they have the same basic body that can be tweaked in zbrush.

    Design time must be tiny compared to Fantasy’s original flagship Empire/Chaos line.

  • Lion El’ Jonson

    Nothing like AOS+Stormcast topic, to rustle the jimmies.

    I for one love me a new release of tall and muscular meathead super heroes!

    • Aezeal

      Well despite all my replies above.. I’d have preferred the release of another faction. But I don’t mind this and I can understand it (not sure it’s a smart move to make human and elf player wait longer..but I understand trying to bank on SE succes).

      • Lion El’ Jonson

        I was just messing. This room needed some Stormcast love 🙂

        I do think they need to tread carefully. This is a new setting, and a chance to avoid one faction being overwhelmingly more important then others.

      • Cylux

        I’m under the impression the elf player is having to wait for 40K’s story to advance to just the right point, which is a lot closer with the reveal of the second triumvirate.

  • Emperor’s Champion

    I’m confused. so is my friend fibbing, saying his beast claw raiders book has a pitched battle points table in the back like the G’s handbook?

    • adamharry

      Honestly – If they did I missed them. I was pretty sure both Beastclaw and Sylvaneth did not have points in them. Either way, Beastclaw basically had no new models and all their points are still in the General’s Handbook.

      And if it does have points – my bad. But that just tells me that GW ran through at least 2 books to test their formula before they put out Stormcasts.

      • Cristhian Mario Landa Rivera

        Nope, DoT is the first battletome to feature points at the end.

        It is also the first without any lore for their battleplans whatsoever.

  • Aezeal

    disclaimer: I don’t own stormcast books so I might be missing parts of the lore: please correct me since I’d love to know how the stormcasts function exactly (them indeed being the cornerstone of AoS).

    To be honest the stormcasts have been divided in a few subfactions from the beginning, I do not thing the new battletome is an “complete” stormcast battle tome after others factions have been used as experiments. It’s just the next stormcast faction in the pipeline and it’s battletome adjusts to the new demands of the GHB.
    I do think it’s odd they don’t use a chamber name as in their overview :
    http://loremasters-wargames.proboards.com/thread/197/stormcast-eternals-faction-lore-information
    like the extremis chamber though. Maybe that overview has been outdated already or they are the auxillaries (though it doesnt’really fit). I would love to know more about the ruination chamber though.

  • AnomanderRake

    …Why are we surprised that the AoS Space Marines are getting as over-spotlighted as the 40k Space Marines?

  • Admiral Raptor

    I’d be more upset about all the Stormcast stuff if we hadn’t just got a pretty sweet Tzeentch release. Death and Destruction need more love though, especially Death.

    • Nyyppä

      Death needs an update on the matched play. It’s fine that it’s not new and shiny. It’s not fine that it’s only working strategy (bumping up numbers) is basically taken away from it. That can be fixed by making it cheaper.

      • Aezeal

        Their banners still work.

        • Nyyppä

          And ghouls have sooooo many of those.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            FeC have loads of ways to bring back guys.

            You also have mournguls.

          • Nyyppä

            Bringing back guys is not a problem. Having enough numbers to actually do something is. The ghoul patrol and a ghoul king is little less than 900p unless you field min ghouls and just throw the batalion bonuses away.

          • Aezeal

            Ghouls… are ugly.

          • Nyyppä

            Well, yeah…

          • Aezeal

            So they don’t count.. and they don’t even deserve banners. I’m actually in doubt wether I’d play against them if an opponent brought them… the alternative being me just purging the game room and the ghouls in particular with fire.

          • Nyyppä

            Roger that.

  • Kreoss4u

    They say that a rising tide raises all boats. If SE is bringing in a lot of the new players, we all benefit from that.

    • Nyyppä

      Looking at 40k, nope.

      • Kreoss4u

        But, AOS isn’t 40k.

        • Nyyppä

          GW is still GW.

  • jeff white

    Yeah… A lack of vision.

  • Talos2

    As you said, simply they are the space marines of aos so gw see them as the foundation to build everything else upon. They didn’t get it right first time, the generals handbook rewriting of the core rules proves that, and they obviously think a tweak is needed.

  • luke-vdv

    They should get around to the Tomb Kings and Brettonians, but for the love of God do not change their names as is GW’s wont.

  • Aaron Hopkins

    im not kidding when I say there’s going to be a war in heaven and the Sigmariens will end up fighintg sigmariens in some kind of Horus heresy style thing that way GW only has to make the Sigmar guys and screw you to everyone else… we will all just be the special forces units in the big Sigmar wars …. this is totally coming …..

    • Munn

      Horus Heresy is basically just ‘marines, the game’ and no one will shut up about how great it is so maybe that’s the way to go. It’s clearly successful.