40K: GW Teases Next Daemon Primarch


There’s something very interesting in Fracturing of Biel-Tan. Take a look and decide for yourself.

This image is from Fracturing of Biel-Tan. It is one of the numerous “fluff asides” that set the mood for the narrative.  It tells the tale of the rising incursions of Slaaneshi incursions and their destruction of the world Extremis Six.  Note the bit at the end…



“The alleged sighting of a gigantic, serpent bodied +++REDACTED+++ slaughtering everything the Astra Militarum could send against it…”

Hmmm, are you thinking what I’m thinking?

Roboute Guilliman’s Arch-Nemesis is about to return!


Fulgrim may be back in action! Here’s the story on what Fulgrim has been up to post Heresy:

Fulgrim Post Heresy

When Horus was defeated by the Emperor, the Emperor’s Children left a trail of depopulated worlds in their wake as they fled towards the Eye of Terror. As their supply of slaves was exhausted, they resorted to raiding the other Traitor Legions for fresh meat, and in the end were crushed by their angry brethren in a series of bloody wars. Finally, the Emperor’s Children were shattered into bands of hedonistic fanatics. Warbands of the Emperor’s Children are thankfully rare, for there is no fate worse than falling prisoner to them.

As to Fulgrim, he was gifted by Slaanesh with a hidden world of unlimited pleasure for him to rule. To this day, warbands of Emperor’s Children, other Slaanesh-worshiping Chaos Space Marines and Cultists, and the Imperial Inquisition seek this world, but none have returned. Fulgrim himself was last seen in combat with Roboute Guilliman, the Primarch of the Ultramarines, where he slashed his brother’s throat and laid him low with a fatal poison.


~We just got Roboute back; GW may be setting up an epic 40K rematch of the two.

  • Talos2

    Well is it just me or has there only been 2 of the next triumvirate shown so far?

    • Kritarion

      Rowboat, Cypher, Grey Knight Grandpa. So yeah, just you.

      • ZeeLobby


      • Talos2

        Ok hadn’t seen the grey knight guy

      • Loki Nahat

        _robot_, he doesn’t deserve his full name in HeroHammer

      • I like to pretend the grey knight is Don Quixote.

    • kingcobra668

      RG, Cypher, GK

  • Joshua Overbeck

    Lorgar is Guilliman’s nemesis, Fulgrim is just the guy who put him in the chair.

    It didn’t stick, so…

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Guilliman v Lorgar
      Ferus Menus v Fulgrim
      Dorn v Perturabo
      Leman v Magnus

      • euansmith


      • Horus84cmd

        “Mortal Combat!!’


      • euansmith

        Thinking about it, “Dueling Primarchs” could make a great board game; like Gorechosen.”Blood of the Emperor”.

        • DJ860

          I would play that, and it would give people an excuse to collect the models for armies they don’t use.

      • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

        Mortarion v the Khan.

        Seriously, that was the best part of Scars, apart from the mutiny.

  • Nathan Dowdell

    Well, we haven’t seen a Chaos triumvirate yet…

    • DeCold

      What if it is actually Abaddon, Mortarion and Fulgrim :O

      • Hannoveraner

        There wont be two Primarch in one Triumvirate.

        • Guillermo Cordido

          it can be only one traitor primarch and two traitors.

          • zeek203

            Abaddon, fabius and fulgrim.

          • Silas7

            Abaddon, Lucius the eternal and Huron blackheart are my bets for a chaos triumvirate.

          • Nah. they need a big, primach sized mini to top the trio. My money’s on Failbaddon, Fulgrim and Bile. Bile is one of two major characters from the chos fluff to be absent from recent codexes, along with Cypher. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure he’s not in the despoiler’s good graces.

          • TheMawr

            I still doubt chaos gets a triumvate ( instead I expect them to get the cross-game Nurgle wave, some additional khorne kits with an AoS book, and maybe new plastics ) but if they do and they would consist of known characters instead of new ones (and I expect undivided renegades) ;

            Huron blackheart –
            As another homage to/celebration of Rogue trader. Wich I think is part of the idea of the Triumvate boxes.

            Fabius Bile –
            So this books multifaction detachment can have haemonculi covens. (in contrary to Slaanesh, Haemonculi actually are an “army” with their own codex and they said no matter what army you play, there will be something new for you… and they got kicked out of the eldar one. So this is my next bet.

            Daemon or Dark mechanicus big guy –
            Daemon as it would allow a big detachment to include daemons. On the other hand Dark mechanicus allows a new faction teaser.

          • DeadlyYellow

            Didn’t think Blackheart would be keen on allying with Abandon.

            Has Typhus been in anything lately?

          • Jim Collins

            Change Huron for Fulgrim and I think you’ve got a win.

            Lucius is already mentioned, Fulgrim is mentioned/redacted, and it’s Abby’s crusade.

            Also; Fulgrim has to rub his hands together and make a remark about getting to kill Robert twice.

          • DJ860

            I think it’s possible, although has there been any sign of Huron recently?

  • Nyyppä

    This makes no sense. Slaanesh is gone and they push Fulgrim?

    • David

      slaanesh is only gone in fantasy/AoS

      • Nyyppä

        There’s not going to be a 40k only Slaanesh release…

        • Who told you so?

          • Nyyppä

            Remember how GW did that with Tzeetch? Yeah, me neither.

          • So basically speculation.

          • Nyyppä

            An educated guess based on 30 years of following how the company works. As I said, based on what they have done thus far this rumor makes no sense.

          • In your opinion. I think GW has left the mysteries behind and will bring out in miniatures what they can. Imo this will include Fulgrim sooner or later.

          • Nyyppä

            Like I said, it is an educated guess. Fulgrim may come, but almost certainly not without some sort of release that fits both games. Why? They did it with Khorne. They did it with Tzeentch. Why would they break the working pattern now?

            GW did not do 40k only release for Tzeentch. 40k models were shortly after followed by daemons that fit both games. A release window is not restricted to a single week.

          • So what you’re saying is that there will be Slaanesh-release for AoS? Because I doubt we will not see a Slaanesh-release for 40k. Because I seriously doubt GW will not release all of the daemon-primarchs.

          • Nyyppä

            I’m saying that based on the evidence it is very likely that GW will release some daemons for the deities they release primarchs for.

          • You forgot they released 40k only tzeentch stuff. or have you forgotten the 40K tzaangors ? Or maybe the big, humungus 40K only Demon prince called Magnus ? so yes. they can release a 40K only mini. plus slaanesh might be gone from the AoS fluff, he’s not gone from the store. plus Slaanesh, 40K wise, is a much more important player in the grand scheme of things, than he was in Battle. And if the Eldars are trying to get rid of him, it makes sense one of his biggest daemon prince might get involved.

          • TheMawr

            the tzaangors are actually the AoS sprues with extra guns and chainsaws. (they still have the fantasy stuff on their sprue)
            Its a bad comparison as not only was tzeentch for AoS well underway, it came out 1 or 2 months after the thousand sons.
            Next up in that department will be Rotbringers (AoS) and Death guard+Mortarion.

            Also mind that it is much more likely that they put Slaanesh in the locker for now in 40k too, instead of killing off their latest models next book. Like AoS I dont think slaanesh gets killed, but it will go MIA/hiding. And if fluffwise Guilleman and Fulgrim duel next book. I dont think their new Primarch miniature will be the one to die. He might out fulgrim in stasis though… Slaanesh will be back, but not yet.

          • Nyyppä

            Dude, my ability to repeat what I said does not match your inability to comprehend.

            Lets try this one more time. When they released more 40k Khorne they also released more AoS stuff for Khorne. They did the same with Tzeentch.
            When they released more Nurgle for AoS 40k got nothing.

            Now, looking at that when a 40k chaos deity get’s new stuff, AoS chaos deity gets new stuff.

            Do you get it now? Yes, no? Either way we are done here.

      • Horus84cmd

        No, not gone; just missing. In the on going narrative there is plenty of clues and hints as to Slaaneshs’ possible where-abouts

        • Nyyppä

          True. Thanks for the correction. I still find it hard to believe that GW figured out how to present excess without boobs.

          • Horus84cmd

            They probably have. Folks tend to forget studio works on a 18-24 month lead time on the majority of projects. Heck, it has been quoted in WD before, for example, that when a new edition of a system is finally launched to the public so much time has passed since it was finished, the studio is already pencilling in the next edition and working on rule changes.

          • Nyyppä

            Sure. Still. It’s not like they’s been succesful in anything 40k rules wise since 6th launched if you do not count DW and/or GSC. Models have been great as far as there have been new ones.

          • Haighus

            By doing Noise Marines? This suggests an Emperor’s Children release akin to the 1k Sons release, rather than a Daemons of Slaanesh release. Marines tend not to have nipples, or be sexualised.

          • Nyyppä

            Again, they will not do just a 40k release of Slaanesh just like they did not do just a 40k release of Tzeentch.

          • Jack Biddo

            They released Drycha not too long ago who is rocking out with her you know whats out. She just doesn’t have nips so I guess that’s a way they could do it.

          • Nyyppä

            It’s a shrubbery. Only knights who say “ni” could be offended.

          • TheMawr

            I actually think the reasoning behind Slaanesh things going on isnt about any of that. (boobs family friendliness etc.)

            I think they basically want to reboot slaanesh, I hope they do as it hasnt lived up to its potential for years, not just visually but also its position in the chaos pantheon. turning the big 4 into the big 3 (for now) turning slaanesh into a lingering/secretive force of chaos and perhaps even a non-human-centric element, as opposed to the other 3. But elf/eldar centric instead.

      • Dan Wilson

        Even then no. Justmysteriously absent. According to the tzeentch book tzeentch may have had something to do with deposing his infernal sibling. Makes for a much more interesting story than KHORNE WANTS MORE SKULLZ.

    • paxter

      Slaanesh is not gone in AOS

      • Nyyppä

        Effectively it is.

        • Horus84cmd

          No and no and no. Really really not at all. Slaaneshes followers are there and fighting, the daemons are there and fighting. The only, the only, is the God Slaannesh is “missing”. We do know that Malerion (new name for Malekith) and Tyrion where naughty, after ignoring Sigmars request for help, instead choosing to capture Slaanesh while he was weakened after the End Times.

          • Nyyppä

            Erm, GW buried Slaanesh. End of Times and first books of AoS have this information. Obviously it was a temporary solution but still. Now the rumors essentially claim that Fulgrim is coming but there are no Slaanesh releases that fit both games. That does not make sense.

            Now, if they free the god and there is a release window for Slaanesh for both games then sure, it all makes sense again. But only for one game? Nah.

          • Horus84cmd

            You sir, are very much misinformed. Slaanesh has not simply been buried. He is alive and well (as well as a captured God can be) with its servants are searching to rescue him.

            What happened to the deity is describe in the core rulebook!

            In AoS Slaanesh was around at the point of the Age of Myth – the time when Sigmar and all the Gods, that were not Chaos, bring to heel the Chaos Parthenon and the Realms to a time of brief utopia. Slaanesh was very much around during the following beginnings of the Age of Chaos – the time when Chaos arises to take over the mortal realms, tricked Sigmar into losing Ghal Maraz (which Slaanesh helped with, see the pic below from the first Realm Gate Wars book) and push Sigmar to abandon the Realms until the start of the Realm Gate Wars – where as players we join the story. Slaanesh was only captured at sometime towards the end of Age of Chaos, after the God over-dined on souls.

            From the core rule book:
            The tale of Malerion and Tyrion’s quest is convoluted, for the plots of the Dark Gods were woven within it. At the
            ending of the world-that-was, Slaanesh,
            the Dark Prince of Chaos, had consumed too many spirits, feasting and feasting with wanton abandon. Yet always more souls were drawn to him, until he was overwhelmed. After the world-storm subsided, Slaanesh was left bloated and helpless. The over-satiated Chaos God withdrew to a hidden lair in the hopes of digesting his great meal. As secretive as he was, however, Slaanesh did not escape the plotting of Tzeentch, who manipulated Khorne and the two newly born aelf gods. Thus, in pursuing their own goals and capturing Slaanesh, Malerion and Tyrion failed of their duties to Sigmar, further weakening the Great Alliance.

            Slaanesh being missing it evidently a pre-planned plot point for the studio to use going forward when releasing the Aelves that are not Wood Elves – who have had their current story covered in the Realm Gate Wars books


            As for having to have a release of Slaanesh for both 40K and AoS in the same month or set of months is a load of rubbish. There is absolutely no need to link the two releases if GW do not want to. Yes, they choose to have 3 months of Tzeentch themed releases. But that was choice not a rule. They did not do the same recently for Nurgle and Khorn; we did not see 40K Nurgle release at the same time as getting the Glotkin or Blight Kings for the End Times. We did not see a 40K Khorne release when all the Bloodborn miniatures we coming out. It is entirely reasonable for GW to happily have a 40K Slaanesh release of Noise Marines, Fulgrim, Fabius etc… and not do a single thing for AoS. If anything the recent Tzeentch deluge of models is the odd one out!

          • Nyyppä

            I think that the communication has failed us. “Buried” as in put away, out of sights and minds of the easily offended for long enough to be retconned to something tame.

            Well, if you look at all of the evidence instead of just the ones that support you you’ll see that every time chaos got some sort of crossover worthy release or anything deity specific for 40k they released stuff for the same deity for AoS. KDK was released and got new Thirsters, so did the fantasy crowd. WoM was released and got new horrors, so did the AoS crowd and more new daemons stuff followed soon after. Glotkin and pals are not something that have rules in 40k but with every deity specific 40k release there has been a daemons release for fantasy too.

            So, looking at all of the evidence if they release Fulgrim there would be Slaanesh stuff for AoS at the same time or soon after. Same goes for Mortarion and Angron (though he could just as easily just be the 40k only thing you are aiming at).

            It might go either way but a double release is more likely based on the evidence.

          • Horus84cmd

            I vehemently and respectfully disagree.

            It can be equally said that some of the Duardain factions have been sidelined as little has been said about them too. Same for the Aelf that are not the Slyvaneth.

            Personally, I have not really bought into the “taming” argument as reasoning for Slaanesh being sidelined. If that were the an issue they would be doing the same with similar lines like Dark Eldar/Dark Elves wytches/daughters of Khaine that have, arguable, suggestive designs. There are plenty of other armies that have questionable designs and backgrounds that one could say need toning down and that does not happen.

            Releases happen in whatever way GW want that fits where they are trying to get to. They don’t follow a wholly strict pattern barring roughly where new editions of game systems sit within the year or edition cycles.

          • Nyyppä

            Well, agree to disagree then. I think 2/2 is a pattern, you don’t. That is fine. One of us is right, we will have to wait to se who.

            Only Slaanesh was targeted by the media…

          • Horus84cmd

            You can agree to disagree, but I don’t. I don’t follow what you’re postulating stacks up in slightest.

          • Nyyppä

            I do not care if you can live with me following logic more closely than you. I don’t know you and thus your opinion about me is meaningless.

          • Horus84cmd

            If you say so…

          • Amon-Alex69

            Sir, I totally support your argumentation.

          • Muninwing

            “the easily offended” huh…

            yeah, it’s much more complicated than that. many rumors have it that it’s actually GW upper management from a US dept that are “easily offended” (conservative religious)… the same guy who got them to change the “hellguns” to “hotshot”

            there’s also the issue of Slaanesh being mentioned multiple times as having a role in AoS… even one that they haven’t gotten to yet.

            and the fact that there’s plenty of stuff for Slaanesh out there still.

            i do think that they are unsure of what to do next… but there’s no definite that they are just going to axe one of the four. wait, i forget that AoS did the lame 5th inclusion that tromped all over Nurgle with the GHR. if anything that’s more evidence — the two are so overlapping that they’d be too powerful to leave alone with a power void.

            but AoS isn’t well known for decent writing, so that’s not necessarily even a thought in their minds right now.

          • Nyyppä

            It does not matter who was easily offended. The point is that someone was.

            I’m not saying that the gender fluid sibling of eldar perversion is gone for good. I’m saying that if Fulgrim gets a mini the daemons will also get back in.

          • TheMawr

            Well it is speculation based on rumors of reliable rumor mongers… that a dual system Nurgle wave would be next, and based of that one creates a feeling of expectation. (actually, the same for triumvates, we expect more because there were 3.) But you are actually right, there are some things that seem logical or “the way they do things now” that end up not being like that at all.

            On the other hand slaanesh position has changed, its not gone, but its not one of the big 4 either. And this started waaay before AoS. the reason being ;

            khorne: Berzerkers -> Kharn -> Angron – Bloodthirster
            Raging violence growing bigger by steps.

            Nurgle: Plague marines -> Typhus -> Mortarion -> GUO
            Bringers of rot and death

            Tzeentch: Rubric/sorcerers -> Ahriman -> Magnus -> Lord of change
            Magic magic magic

            Slaanesh: Noise marines -> Fabius Bile -> Fulgrim -> Keeper of secrets
            .. uhmm…
            No unifying theme whatsoever= designer nightmare & marketing nightmare.

            And I think this is what they will do.
            A big reboot that gives slaanesh an unified theme somehow.

          • Amon-Alex69

            Hey dude, you want an unifying theme for Slaanesh ? Perversion ? Noise ? Sword masters ? Whiplashers ?

            And please notice that Fabius hasn’t sworn alliegence to Slaanesh and is neutral. The right one is Lucius.

          • TheMawr

            I wasnt referencing what I want.
            I was referencing what GWs deal with slaanesh MIGHT be. People have no idea how annoying an ununified theme can be for the developers themself 🙂

            When there wasnt a gazillion characters yet it was Ahriman/Kharn/Fabius Bile and I think typhus (but I cant even remember him) hence my mistake 🙂 Im aware he is neutral.

  • ZeeLobby

    Makes sense. Especially if ferrus Manus is the next imperial primarch.

    • Michael Williams

      You do realise that Ferrus is super dead right?

      • Horus84cmd

        Or so the story leads us to believe…mwahahaha….

        There is plenty of scope of comic-book backdooring him back into the narrative

      • ZeeLobby

        Yeah. There’s been legit writing of clones of him running around (one that has been captured by admech)

        • Anaerian

          One was captured by admech!? What story was that in!? How have I missed this?

          • ZeeLobby

            Ah. NM. I was mixing up plots. It was originally posted from a IA: The body of Ferrus was never found, however, and many believe he somehow survived. One particular story is that his wrecked body was rescued and restored, and that he took refuge on Mars where he resides still, though this is violently refuted by the Iron Hands themselves.

            Guess someone picked that up and ran with it.

          • Anaerian

            damn…. I would have loved that as well. I do like the idea of Ferrus’ soul being recombined with a cloned version of himself although I don’t see how they could get his awesome arms back

          • Well, they’d have needed to pick up a lot of body parts as they had been spread out amongst the traitors of Isstvan. They literally hacked him apart and Horus keeps his flensed skull as a paperweight.

      • Lord Elpus

        You’ve seen Futurama! Head in a jar time! Robute can be Zap brannigan….

        • Kefka

          IG Trenchcoat torso, Genestealer head with tentacles and daemonettes small pincers…I’m ready for Zoidberg.
          Also who’s Kif?

          • Lord Elpus

            Kif would be a Tau😁

        • wibbling

          I forget the Heresy book – 5? Wth Shattered Legions, but the head guy there (no pun intended) did destroy Bodt to get hold of some sort of device that could re/make a primarch.

          Maybe it was hyperbole, and the intent was just to create more marines, or super marines?

    • DJ860

      As much as I would prefer this, I think it might damage the 30k storyline a little knowing that the events of his death weren’t set in stone, but hey, this is 40k where anything can happen.

      My money would be on The Lion.

  • Ben

    Have to find my armored chastity belt and summon a whole Legion of Titans.

    • SilentPony

      Honestly not really. Just tell him he’s not perfect and he’ll crawl into a fetal position and just cry for a thousand years.

  • SilentPony

    What about those already released pictures of a giant winged dude with a scythe?

    • Horus84cmd

      Thats a conversion job using Celestial Prime model as a base.

      • Kefka

        Really? Damn…

  • Guillermo Cordido

    Guilliman must defeat the traitor.

  • KreskinsESP

    That sure sounds like a Noise Marine mini-release, like Rubric Marines got, to me.

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  • Prisoner 42

    Bit of a long shot since he’s just mentioned in a paragraph. Could just be brought back in fiction and killed off when they get rid of slanesh.

  • Borja Saiz Bustamante

    Do not worry loyal cityzens! Thiaphas Kain, hero of the Empire, will came to our aid

    • euansmith

      I’m worried! They misspelt his name! That must mean something! SOMETHING BAAAAD!

  • frank

    Sonic weapons, the riotous host, giant snake thing all seems Slannesh to me. Awsome to know they havnt forgot the great prince of pleasure. Age of sigmar had me worried about them geting rid of Slannesh who if you think about it would have the most to loose from an eldar god of the dead forming. Ynead denies Slannesh his favorite treats.

  • Andrew

    Man, if they released Emperor’s Children models, I would probably pick up at least one of everything.

  • Orblivion

    Another primarch that will have two current models and rulesets while others have none. -_-

    • That’s the whole point. GW isn’t going to cut into Forge World’s line just yet. Guilliman is noticeably different here than he was for HH, and the other model was released long ago to have reached a certain market saturation. Magnus won’t be getting Daemon rules in HH for a good time yet, since he’s still very much in limbo there, so he was a safe choice.

  • Private Skittles

    Given the balancing acts that are the celestine & ynncarne i’d be excited to see a wildly dynamic pose for such a gribbly daemon primarch.

  • GiftoftheMagi

    Regardless about how you feel Slaanesh has been used in 40K or AoS, I think we can all agree that of all the Chaos Powers, the Prince Of Pleasure has regularly gotten the shaft (pun intended). Nurgle, Khrone and finally Tzeentch have gotten steady upgrades, new models and new rules, but it has been a long time since anything new for Slaanesh has appeared. Add in how s/he was handled in AoS and the ‘naughty’ theme of the army, and speculation of its removal is warranted.

    This how is a bit of hope. I know the Horus Heresy line has not completed the Primarchs yet, but that is a seperate game from 40K these days. Having the daemonic version of Fulgrim appear makes sense, with the return of Guilliman…and maybe a cool Chaos Knight Titan with sonic weapons! It also gives GW the chance to add in new models and updates, like a new Lucius or updated Daemonettes or that weird chariot thing….even Doomrider.

    • TheWanderingJewels

      Nah…that would be Malal 😀

  • Sorien

    Surely all the demon primarchs will eventually hear of RG’s return and want to kill him again…

  • Sparti67

    Bring back Ferrus. Make his head chrome so he looks like Colossus. His entire body can be covered in the alien dragon metal and Fulgrims blades are useless against it.

    • Nathaniel Wright

      Agreed, Ferrus of all primarchs could just have a robot head and be pretty much perfect.

  • Rafał Pytlak

    Darling the new crusade is gonna be Faaaaabulous!

  • David Leimbach

    So giant monsters vs. giant robots?