40K: Paint Versus Participation

It is the event organizers who truly have the ability to set the quality of hobby on display? …where did all of the players go?

In a near perfect world, everyone who participates in a tournament-style event will have armies that are showing 5+ colors, great highlighting/edging, shading and bases that actually contain something other than a coat of paint.  We, of course, do not live in such a world.  There will always be those who choose to meet the minimum standard just so they can get that uber list to the table in time for the event.  “Always Stormcaller?” Yes, always.  And the reason those folks with the minimum expectations will always be able to participate is that event organizers want to maximize participation.

I want to paint like Dave Taylor when I grow up.

Whether you want to hear it or not, the truth is that the folks who invest the time and money to sponsor an organized, competitive event want a certain number of people to show up.  In the case of local events, maybe that EO/TO wants 30 folks to sign up.  They feel this a reasonable number.  However, given their community size, they know that only 20 of the armies that will be placed on tables will be well painted by hobbyists who have invested a great deal of time and effort.  These folks love the hobby aspect of 40K as much as they do the competition.  The other 10?  They know the minimum standard and will never put in the time and effort.  Are they lazy cretans who should be banned from competitive events?  Not if the EO/TO wants to meet that threshold of 30.

Or maybe like GentleBen

“Wait a minute, Stormy.  What about the folks who are new to the hobby?  Shouldn’t they be given some grace as they grow into more accomplished modelers/painters over time?”  Here’s the problem with that.  If they are not part of a community that applies peer pressure to force folks to step up their game, then they won’t.  If people don’t have a reason to change, they more often than not do not.  I have a strongly engrained commitment to bring well painted models to the table  because the folks I have known for the last 15 years take pride in well painted armies and expect others in our group to do the same.  They modeled the behavior they expected in others.   Is their an intrinsic motivation?  For me, yes.  I started building and painting models at a very young age with the encouragement of my father.  Many folks who come into this game, however, have not had a history of model building or painting minatures.

Duncan has some great tips for painters of all experience levels!

How do you fix this?  Well, what not to do is allow them to just keep showing up year after year with crappy models and give them a pat on the head saying “Great effort.  Here’s a cookie.” Here is where event organizers, either in competitive or social events need to step in and say “sorry, we have higher standards than that.  You are always welcome as part of our group, but you need to invest more time and effort if you expect to put models on the table and use them in games.”  Tough love?  Hell yes.  But I find that most folks, adults or younger players, rise to the expectations that are set.  Just human nature.  Set higher standards, get better quality.

So should the organizer compromise hobby standards and let plastic army men show up looking like they were built/converted/painted by 10 year olds?  This question is actually rhetorical, because we know the answer already.  No they shouldn’t.  But they will.  Let’s take a big example, the LVO.  Reece and Frankie have built this event into something amazing.  Over 400 players this year…insane!  However, try and convince me that if they had uniformly enforced high standards of appearance for every army that they would have achieved the same level of participation.  I saw videos and pics of some exceptionally well painted armies on those table.  Many well painted armies.  I also saw several armies that should not have been allowed to be placed on a table at such a premier event.  The LVO is an example of the compromise that in necessary in the Paint versus Participation conundrum.  The organizers achieved the spectacular level of participation they wanted.  There is, after all, the business aspect of large events such as this.  Does this in any way reflect on the love of the hobby that Reece, Frankie and all the folks who worked to make this event such a success have?  Of course not.  Any more than it does at any GT or other large competitive events.

LVO 2017 had a TON of awesomely painted armies this year – truly impressive!

The reality is that not every hobbyist who also plays in competitive events has either the skill or desire to do more that spray, wash and go.  I wish that every army I have played against was one that I would be proud to own myself.  Most have been.  To whole idea of hobby scores as a balancing factor is offensive to me because it is as pretentious as it is unrealistic.  Let’s also talk about the armies that are commission painted, and how that tosses hobby scoring on its head.  I can’t compete against that, and I am a pretty decent hobbyist.  Why should someone who paid to have another individual paint their army get credit for it in a competitive setting?  The best analogy I can think of is performance enhancing drugs used by athletes.  By the way, any player who takes credit for a well painted army that they had commissioned without giving credit to the talented folks who did the work should be thrown out of the building.  Moreover, hobby scores do not determine the winners of competitive events…period.  /Rant over.

I’d rather paint for the Joy of it, like Bob.

 

Bottom line here is that GW, unless it is an event that they themselves run (say at Warhammer World), it not responsible for maintaining the quality of the armies that show up for competitive events of any size.  And hobby scores do little to mitigate a lack of quality, as they are never the focus of achievement…it is always who wins the most games and scores the most points.  If there is to be an overall improvement in the quality of armies arriving on gaming tables, it is the responsibility of individual event organizers.  They are the gatekeepers here, and they have much to consider as they manage the complex task of delivering a quality gaming experience to each and every participant.

 

Where does responsibility for army quality live?

  • StingrayP226

    Also you cannot discount those newer players who do not have the free time to paint up a brillant looking army in a short amount of time. Yes your group can help motivate people to paint better, but it could also push them away. Especially for those who enjoy the game more than the hobby… are you going to force them to spend hours assembling/painting to your acceptable level when all they want to do is play and have fun? For them a quick paint job is enough to make them happy.

    This force everyone to paint well attitude is no better than the WAAC attitude. The hobby should be fun and welcoming to everyone. How is punishing players who are not playing power armies any worse than punishing players who are not great painters with the time, will, and time to put out beautiful armies?

    The key is to be a decent human being and enjoy the hobby while not stepping on others.

    • Sz

      Wait a second– getting to play games against friends is a far cry from playing, let alone winning, a tournament. Someone who is new to the hobby, and “does not have the free time,” probably shouldn’t be winning tournaments. I personally am a little disgusted when some rattle-can nonsense wins anything at a tournament.

    • happy_inquisitor

      It is not really about that – it is more about making an environment that is reasonably welcoming to all. The hobby is not really large enough to split and survive yet driving the standards of painting etc ever-downwards most definitely will drive many players away from events.

      I have to admit that if I paid a load of money and took that much time out to travel to a tournament I would not be at all impressed by cheap and nasty putty Brimstone Horrors. It shows a total lack of respect for your opponent. It really shows a total lack of respect for anyone not at that particular extreme end of the spectrum of opinion in the hobby. Once we are at the point where badly painted cruddy looking proxies are “OK” I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask the question how far do we want this to go and how many players with a different preference for the hobby might ultimately get driven away?

      There comes a point where you have to ask why not just play on a flat featureless table with cardboard counters? Perhaps tournaments could have that as an alternative format.

      I am not saying that any one person should be able to define the answer but we are clearly at a point where the question should be asked.

      • Davor Mackovic

        Wrong, so much wrong. What you say is a cheap and nasty, for someone else like me, is the best they can do.

        So now you are classifying everyone under one brush now. I guess we can say then you have cheeto stained fingers, live in your parents basement and never don’t have a girlfriend. This is mostly not the case, but thing is, don’t label everyone like you are doing.

        Prove it first before you label everyone cheap and nasty work.

        • happy_inquisitor

          Nobody is making you take a unit so new in the rules that the models are not even out in their own box set yet. It is entirely your choice to take that unit. So if you do so in a careless ugly way it speaks volumes about your attitude to your fellow players.

          If you don’t like people saying it then what does that say about you?

          • Davor Mackovic

            So you are telling me or other people how to play with plastic toy soldiers? Yes that right there speaks of your character. Like come on we are here to play, PLAY like little children do with plastic toy soldiers.

            We are not sport jocks. This isn’t sports, it’s not a competition. It’s for fun. Relax and just have some fun.

          • happy_inquisitor

            No, I am merely stating that if what you bring to the table shows a total disregard for the aspects of the hobby that many people enjoy then you are showing no consideration for those players. Quite simply if you disregard using proper models or bothering to paint them then you are spoiling my fun, not enabling me to have fun. If I have spent many hundreds of dollars going to an event I do not want to have a string of disappointing games against opponents who clearly could not care less.

            If I want to play a game of pure skill with no elements of hobby or narrative then I will go back to competitive chess – it is by far a superior test of gaming skill to anything a 40K tournament could ever be. I choose to play 40K because it has all those other elements.

          • Drpx

            “A unit so new in the rules that the models are not even out in their own box set yet”

            Drop Pods…lol, they were new up until fifth edition. My trigger came when somebody used a coke can.

            #Pepsi4Life.

  • benn grimm

    It’s up to the individual as far as I’m concerned. As you touched on, there are a whole bunch of guys who really aren’t that amazing hobby wise, but enjoy a good game or three. Should they be turned away for lack of proficiency?

    I notice you haven’t posted any of your own painted models. Could it in fact be the case that the majority of people do their best, despite being not that great, or having that much spare time, a few are particularly talented (and practice a lot) and a few really aren’t that bothered, so don’t?

    • Korvalus

      I think that you missed the point of the people he was talking about. Understandable, since the article is pretty generalizing, but the wasn’t referring the the poepole who can’t paint well for X or Y reasons, but the people who WON’T because, specifically, they don’t bother to do that for they want the most broken thing in he meta asap.

      Still, I agree with both. Events are a showcase for the hobby for the general public with a lot of visibility, tournaments included. Specially the important ones, like LVO, Games Day, Gamecon and the like. So I guess that people can al least do the effort to bring the best of the best of their collection there. Doing so can bring a lot of good to the community as a whole.

      However, enforcing it isn’t good. Just as Grimm said, not everyone have the same level of talent/time/experience painting and converting, yet they still want to participate. They have the right to do so, and they souldn’t be left out because “your shading is not good enough” for example. That’s elitist, in my opinion.

      Triying to find a solution there will be dificult, and the ones I can think of… well, it’s Inquisition-level of nosing other’s business. So fall let’s hope that those who can’t paint well, read and look for tutorial for quick and impressive painting that they can help them (honestly, I think that’s for their own good. everyone loves their models to be good-looking, and they will be happier seeing what they can do) and those who won’t their hobby conscience (who am I kidding?) starts itching.

    • ZeeLobby

      Well said. I personally really like playing painted armies but a person in our group literally hates painting. He is an absolute blast to play though, so nobody really cares. You can definitely make groups of players with similar goals, but whenever you decide to enter a random player environment you should never expect everyone there to have the same goals as you do, and to look down on or insult them because of that is just petty. I think it’s pretty sad when someone is excluded from a group just because they don’t enjoy a single aspect of this hobby.

    • Stormcaller

      Fair point Ben. I post hobby progress on my personal blog, Shadow of Prometheus. Take a look and let me know what you think. Two of my recent posts feature Belisarius Cawl and a Knight Crusader.

      One other point…I certainly understand those who CAN’T get those figs painted for whatever reasons; skill level, work, family, physical limitations, e.g. I’m not a painting snob. It’s those who are fortunate enough to have the time and ability and still chose to walk into the room with grey plastic in a shoe box.

      • Davor Mackovic

        You are a painting snob. Sorry the article you wrote proves it. Also you don’t certainly understand at all, otherwise you would have mentioned that in your article.

        Now you are just making excuses.

      • benn grimm

        Cool looking blog, looking forward to having a go at Cawl, looks like a fun model
        to paint.

        As far as events are concerned, carrot rather than stick seems to be the best way to go, it’s generally better to encourage than penalise. Three colour minimum with prizes for best painted seems to be the best route to me.

  • Adam Wright

    I think a better venue for people who enjoy the hobby side at least as much as the gaming side would probably be narrative events as opposed to tournaments. Tourneys tend to bring out the more game and competitive minded folks. Especially at a massive event such as the LVO.

  • jeff white

    judge each army as a collection over the generations of models from gw and fw and maybe others, as a cohesive force around a theme maintaining rpg elements that are – sadly for too many competitive people i guess – an essential part of the game, not needless fluff or whatnot.

  • Heinz Fiction

    I always thought tournaments were about playing the game, not showcasing your models. If thats what you want, maybe go to a painting competition instead?

    • Karru

      The problem in the end isn’t with the tournament scene. The problem is with those that frequent tournaments and continue to play with their army outside of it with the same intention of not ever touching a paint brush.

      These people frequent gameshops and other places looking for games. Sometimes people come into these stores and notice a game is going on. It isn’t exactly the most flattering sight when one dude has this magnificent army on the table and the other guy has a collection of ebay purchases that he got cheap. This is the issue. Because tournaments don’t encourage people to do anything to their armies, many just do the easy route. They buy a bunch of stuff from ebay that is extremely badly painted or not painted at all and might even be only partially assembled. They use these armies OUTSIDE the tournaments as well because they can.

      Tournaments only need to give some encouragement and rewards to those that take the time to paint their collections. Something that gives them a slight advantage in the tournament against those that didn’t paint their armies. Surely those that don’t take the time to paint have more time to practise so they have that much more skill to fill in the gap, right?

      • Heinz Fiction

        I don’t see the problem. While it’s more fun to play with fully painted armies I still enjoy the game with unpainted models as well. If thats a no-go for you feel free to setup an event for like-minded people.

        • Karru

          But would you find it problematic if tournaments would encourage, not enforce, painted armies and reward that with some very minor advantages in the tournament, that it wouldn’t hurt anyone.

          Those who don’t want to paint their armies can spend their time playing games to gain more experience so they can do well within the tournament.

          • Heinz Fiction

            I don’t really have an opinion on that particular question. Don’t some tournaments already do this?

          • Karru

            From what’ve gathered, the biggest ones don’t. Some tournaments do, but the majority only gives some trophies for the best painted army and the like. It is very uncommon these days to run into a tournament that gives rewards that effect the actual tournament itself when it comes to painting your collection.

          • Drpx

            Probably because it’s impossible to verify that a person actually did the painting themselves.

          • Karru

            I personally don’t see that as a problem. If someone pays someone else to paint their army, then I say they can get their bonuses. I personally wouldn’t mind giving someone bonuses for it, because at least they did something to get their collection painted.

            The point is that there are way too many players that don’t care about the painting aspect at all and the worst of these just buy a random collection of ebay figures so they can have the most broken thing in the meta going. Those collections are usually extremely ugly to look at, as they most likely have way too many layers as these players won’t bother with stripping the paints from them. It’s the cheapest way to get these new models and armies.

            This gives very bad image to the general public when they look at the games going on.

            We aren’t talking about some high level paint jobs here or even rewards from quality painting. The requirements would be the following:

            Unified colour scheme,
            3-colours minimum,
            Based miniature (just painting the base also counts, as long as it isn’t the standard black plastic.)

            This is enough to get the “bonuses”. The tournaments already run the standard painting competitions with the “best painted army” and the like so it doesn’t matter if your army was painted by a 10-year old boy or a team of experts, as long as those requirements are met.

  • Arcangelo Daniaux

    Well… It is the eternal struglle to make people comprehend that being a “complete” hobbyist is not mandatory. I always see that kind of complain about players that don’t/badly paint heir model, but never about those awesome painters that don’t/badly play the games. I’m a descent tabletop painter and a good player, and why the hell should I do paint every single of my miniature to a Heavy Metal Team standard ? I take some time on my HQ and name characters, and just chain paint the rest of my armies : coat, black on metalic detail, brush metalic detail, paint details, second coat to hide place where detail overlap first coat, shade, done, next unit.

    You should see how much players I know who play games without painted models for Infinity, Dystopian Wars,… And you know what, they are good player, some really skilled one’s who toped in the Belgian tournaments scene for a moment in some games. But they are players, and nothing more, and why should they be more, when painters are ok to be only painters and already are considere as “complete” hobbyist this way.

    Then, why about the guys who write novels on top of it ? So everyone should write novels ? Ho, and drawing ? And making animated shorts ? Audio parodies ?

    Everyone as one or more side of the hobby that apeal to him and should be allowed to enjoy it. Why a really skilled player that won’t want to paint shouldn’t be allowed to demonstrate his skill in a tournament, when a really good painter can go to display contest whitouth being able to win, or even play, a game against someone ?

    • mysterex

      Except what your doing doesn’t sound like the horrible three colour jobs that people get annoyed with. If you’re doing what your doing and using a consistent colour theme across the army you’re not the problem.

      • Arcangelo Daniaux

        Well, I wasn’t talking about if I’m or not part of the problem… I was saying there is NO problem in the first place, except maybe some elitism from people thinking they are better hobbyist than other, judging them on a side of it that don’t appeal to them.

        Plus, sometime, those pourly painted units just have a sentimental value, and to show an exemple, here two picture of an army I runned at a throne of skull :

        First, my chain painted tabletop Stenguard Veterans, a Librarian and a Contemptor Dread : http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102906626/photos-40k/003.jpg

        And from the same army, my land speeders, both being older than the veterans, especialia the one at right : http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102906626/photos-40k/004.jpg

        And a full picture of the army to show the mixture of new and old model, and from differents Blood Angels chapters http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102906626/photos-40k/007.jpg

        I’m pretty sure some of these models are “problematic”, but why should I repaint them or replace them ?

  • LaffingGod

    Of course, organizers could always awards bonuses to the players who have obviously taken the time to craft fully painted/modded armies, regardless of actual skill level. You look at a table and it’s pretty apparent who has taken that effort and who hasn’t.

    So simply give those players another 150 points on the table. Or automatic first turn. Or a couple of automatic bonus victory points.

    • Drpx

      I know a lot of commission artists who’d love that to become the norm.

  • I’m for a painting score or something. It just needs to be simple.
    Maybe 1 for primered 3 for uniformly painted with 3 colors and 5 points for a painted army with uniform bases painted above standard. Standard being 3 colors and a wash. It can be scored once. ( in which case my points assignment needs to change.)
    It awards points for effort but not so much that the unpainted army can’t over come them with a perfect battle score through victory, Possibly.
    I don’t enjoy games with or against armies of grey plastic. I wouldn’t pay to play knowing that’s mostly what would be there.

  • Jim Collins

    I live in this conundrum. I have army units painted well, and grey/partially painted junk. I can no longer paint models well, or do anything precision with my hands. I’m old so this wasn’t always the case.

    So; should I commission and pay an ridiculous amount of money for pretty models that I worked for to buy, and pay the painter, or do I go half painted or as best as I can manage? I can participate in this hobby at two thirds only, or none at all?

    I agree with you that TO’s should have painting competitions. Never have I been inspired by a model on the internet (cept for the dakkadakka dreadknight) the way I have in person. So; make painting a contest, and there’s another thing to compete at.

    I think the key is not to force anyone into any part of the hobby, inasmuch as possible. Incent, inspire, compete yes, but don’t exclude.

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      Could you invest in an airbrush?

      While it does take a bit of patience and practise, you can achieve very good results without needing the extreme dexterity required for paintbrush work.

      I don’t know your situation, so It might not be helpful.

      • Jim Collins

        I own a few, used to be a whiz with them. My hands lack the ability to be still, so no go.

        I thought about it though; and I can probably badger my wife into painting some stuff. She has hands like a surgeon.

    • Cheyennevan

      With you on this. It gets harder to do detail as you get older.

    • happy_inquisitor

      So current storm-in-a-teacup in the UK AoS scene is giving a small points bonus for true WYSIWYG armies. Apparently the idea that your Stormcast should be painted the appropriate colours for the chamber you are using for maximum competive advantage is causing controversy.

      Would you regard that as an incentive or as “forcing”?

      • Jim Collins

        It’s incentive. The in game portion of it is the rub. As long as it’s small I don’t see a problem with it.

      • Drpx

        UK? Sure you don’t mean China?

    • Ken Sears

      Totally agree with this. Personally, I’ve stayed away from 40k tournaments because it’s just not fun for me to play against an unpainted army but I vehemently reject the notion of excluding or shaming anyone – especially when we’re talking about something that’s simply inaccessible because of something beyond a person’s control.

      Do I want to play against unpainted or poorly painted armies? Not especially. Do I think it’s some kind of character flaw when someone doesn’t have an army painted to my standards? Definitely not, ’cause at the end of the day who the hell am I to judge?!

      We’re nerds, people! We should be encouraging one another, not looking for arbitrary reasons to tear each down like the rest of the world…

  • But balance here is also needed. Many of you warn about high painting requisites turning away new blood; but going to an event and watching unpainted army after unpainted army sets a precedent too for them, prolonging this spiral.

    • Jim Collins

      I agree. Maybe start at “No unpainted” so anyone can slap a coat on, and work your way up. Also; ask a hobbyist to step up, maybe have a little painting booth so people can learn, from a person.

  • Kayreios

    Well, honestly as a local TO getting zero support, I can tell you who I ain’t going to for advice on how to run events…

    Painting requirements were an artificial barrier for new players, that GW imposed for branding reasons, you are just a 20 year after effect of their genius marketing ideas. They stopped supporting events long ago, and cardboard tokens don’t count. The smart organizers lowered the barrier for new players long ago.

    And saying that I bet I can out paint you any day.

  • MechBattler

    Or, you know, they’re people with actual LIVES and JOBS and FAMILIES beyond little plastic soldiers and their free time is very restricted, so they choose to maximize their play time and can’t really travel to places like VEGAS for a tournament.

    Maybe it’s the TO’s that need to lower their bars a little and realize not everyone has the freedom to devote that much money and time to something that most people just do for a few hours on the weekend to unwind.

    Or maybe I’m crazy. Just a thought.

    • Locomotive breath

      Exactly this, I refuse to stress about a part of a HOBBY. I enjoy the spectacle of war gaming as much as anyone, two fully painted armies on a table is a beautiful moving diorama and one of the unique aspects of this hobby. It’s just hard after a 11 hour day to sit down and batch paint a bunch of shoulder pads especially when during that time you are neglecting your infant child. On the other hand I have found that a good game will inspire me to paint a particular squad as a reward for performance and I do at least spray base my models the main color before they play.

  • Lion El’ Jonson

    A simple basecoat and wash is enough. I mean seriously a grey army is an absolute turn off when I’m spectating. When I watch battle reports, my absolute favourite part is seeing the players schemes and conversions, so it’s kind of important for my enjoyment.

    Surely everyone has enough time for that, and it’s extra easy with spray primers, and shade dips.

    • Ken Sears

      You make a good point – a “tabletop” level paintjob is often not as hard as some seem to think. In fact I’m constantly surprised how often I see armies that look great on the table that are much less impressive when I get close to a single model.

      • Lion El’ Jonson

        I just don’t think it’s fair to not put in atleast some effort, to draw both players in to the game as much as possible. When I first started 40k, I didn’t start playing until every last mini had colour on it, and believe me I was tempted to smash the grey on the table. It’s just TT etiquette imo, to have atleast a base and shade.

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    The problem isn’t that people won’t paint their models, but rather that we need their models to satisfy our aesthetic sensibilities.

  • Davor Mackovic

    Did Stormcaller call Reese a money grubbing scum? That is what I got out of this article.

  • Limelizard

    What if I don’t like painting or modeling, but I like the game? Should I not be allowed to play?

  • PrehistoricUF0

    I understand what the article is saying but . . . some of us just aren’t great painters. No matter how hard I try, I can’t paint white very well, my eyes are still not particularly well done, and cloth gives me a hard time. The only army I have that looks pretty good are Necrons because they’re by far the easiest scheme as simply detailed robots.

    When will it be my turn to be good? Waaaah.

    • Loki Nahat

      dont paint your eyes, there’s no need, after a flesh wash and a black wash, the recesses will be shaded enough to give the hint of eyes without you trying to paint the iris and sclera and invariably making a dog’s dinner out of it

  • Tesq

    well i know some ppl dont like paint, i find great custom my models, tough i modify them better than how i paint them my paint is still avarage pretty good.

    I do belive that paint is a matter of preferences, i paint my army because i like see the units i play in a certain way.

    the only think i would force my opponent in is have all model sprayed 1 color if he really do not want to play them well painted.

    Aka ultramarine all blue
    Blood angell all red

    so that i can distinguish stuff on the table, because it give me an headhache most of time when ppl have half stuff not colored and half yes; spray all 1 color which is the army primary color and i have no prob, paint is not for everyone and if you are at a tourney you are there for play but spray all 1 color take 1 day.

  • SquadPainter

    I like to see a neatly painted army on a well decorated table. That is part of the spectacle of miniature wargaming for me. I also think that it draws in new players.

    If my friends and acquaintances don’t have painted armies I offer to help them with their efforts. If they don’t do details well, I’ll let them do the large bits and then I’ll come in and do some eye lenses and whatnot. If you’ve never painted for someone else, you should try it. It nice to help someone out.

    And yes, I’ve helped out people that I have just met with their painting projects.

    • Ken Sears

      Also a good point – it was the well-painted models that attracted me to 40k in the first place. Of course, I was a hobbyist before I was a gamer…

  • mysterex

    Army presentation should be part of the scoring. Yes you can compete with a badly painted army but you’d be unlikely to win the overall event. This in itself provides the incentive for most players to improve their armies over time.

    I’m pretty sure most events locally still incorporate this and have done so since I started playing 3rd edition.

  • Drpx

    I never got the whole art score thing, it’s like bumping to second place the guy who wins the Daytona 500 because he didn’t have enough sponsor logos on his car or he ran with a McDonalds sticker when the judges all really like Burger King more.

    • happy_inquisitor

      There are many ways to incentivize this to make a more balanced event. Warzone Atlanta made a big deal of the hobby aspects and the prizes for those categories had equal value and prestige – people who attended both Warzone and LVO saw a conspicuous difference in the quality of armies on the tables. Giving a small bonus score for full WYSIWYG is another approach.

      In practice the FLG guys are having to compromise on their approach of just putting it in the rules pack. They have a non-proxy rule but even though some of the proxies in use have been universally described as bad they do not enforce the rule. A rule that you do not enforce is the worst option and I hope they reconsider their approach.

  • Not entirely sure why people would choose such an expensive hobby if not drawn in by the epic and immersive aesthetic aspect of the game.
    While the gaming side obviously lends itself to an entirely different dynamic than most strategic or solely skill based games, this is also where a lot of the “issues” we see being brought up on here with codex escalation, rules clarification, whatnot arise.
    The visual aspect is what seems to make any of those short comings worth it, no? Would anyone play this game if the miniatures did not look damn cool? If your answer is no, you owe it to yourself to make it all it can be, it will resonate more in your imagination and create a much more immersive experience… Painted miniatures lend character to the game and they can be much more intimidating on the battle field as well.
    I understand those with disabilities and what not have very valid excuses of course and I would rather play with someone cool with unpainted miniatures but I want mine to be painted that is for sure.