40K RUMORS: Guess Who Dies in the Days Ahead?

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There are a bunch of crazy rumors out there about the 2017 40K narrative arc. Come if you dare.

OK folks, strap on your rumor helmets because the talk of the floor at this weekend’s LVO 2017 is the following.

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+++REMEMBER THESE ARE RUMORS+++

  • Abaddon is not  making it out alive of the big 40K shakeup.
  • Cypher may be the man who pulls the trigger.
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Now first of all – we will have to wait and see what happens, so don’t take this as gospel. Second, we all know how dead is rarely ever DEAD DEAD in the grimdark. (see Roboute Guilliman).

I have no doubt that any major character in 40K can be killed off, only to rise again in a greater form (read as giant new fancy miniature) in the future.

~Still though, this is a fascinating rumor and really puts the spin on exactly what Cypher may be up to and what his real agenda is.

  • william timonen

    I dont think Guillman was ever called dead, and his return has been foreshaded longer than the Lions.

    • Shawn

      Yep, BoLS doesn’t ‘think we read the Lexicanum, or, you know, actually read any of the books.

      • ZeeLobby

        Yeah, it’s pretty much always been there. But I kind of liked that they were all talked of in whispers, and remains were prayed to for salvation. Now that they’re going to be popping up all over the place it kinda kills the magic. Like when I read Mannus can come back, I was like, oh geeze…

        • Shawn

          Well, yeah. All the need to do is clone him, lol. Didn’t Fabius Bile keep cloning him for Fulgrim in the hopes he’d turn on the Emperor? Ferrus I’d like to see come back. That would be awesome!
          I think Ferrus’ remains are stowed away on Mars and tech priests work slowly and meticulously to repair him (clone tech and ad mech tech) and his essence is trapped in Forgebreaker. Once Forgebreaker is taken and returned to Ferrus, he will be whole.

          • Malisteen

            Bile made some clones. They were lousy, and Abaddon personally led the Black to murder all of them, burn the entire facility to the ground, and nuke Horus’s remains into irradiated space dust.

            Sure they could retcon things, but as it currently stands, the emperor completely wiped Horus’s soul from existence, while Abaddon annihilated all traces of his physical form.

            This has been consistent fluff for, what, going on two decades, now? Longer than that?

          • 6Cobra

            No, they’re talking about a different book. There’s a short story where Fabius clones like a hundred copies of Ferrus Manus so that Fulgrim can try to turn “him” to Chaos and prove that he can do it. He tries to turn one, fails, kills him, throws the body on the pile of dead Furruses, and then Fabius sends in the next one. That’s almost literally how it goes down.

          • Malisteen

            Sorry then, I thought people were still talking about bringing Horus back via cloning, which isn’t really possible in current (and very long standing) fluff, though retcon is always possible. Heck, they could retcon that Horus never died in the first place.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            Well, Abaddon is supposedly a clone of Horus already, so they could clone him…

          • Victor Hartmann

            I’m sure there’s a Duncan Idaho joke in here somewhere, I just can’t quite find it

          • Moose

            What, a Horus Ghola?

          • nurglitch

            And without the plot-armour of his soul, his body could be defeated by mere Astartes.

          • Shawn

            Well, that’s okay, we don’t need Horus to come back, but I’d like to see them bring Ferrus back without having to retconn anything.

  • Gilissen Kim

    XD. Fail-Abaddon is hitting the bucket, that’s what you get for failing 12 crusades in a row. Iam all for Chaos but iam glad this embarrassment is finally gonna be silenced, let somebody capable step up and take the torch. Chaos has suffered long enough under his reign…

    • Crevab

      Once again, memes supercede knowledge :/

      • ragelion

        Indeed as always.

      • Charon

        You mean the knowledge of “recently” retconned fluff to make him seem less like a failure for having achieved some secret mission objectives nobody knew about?

        • ZeeLobby

          Haha. Yup. “Wait wait wait, he didn’t REALLY fail”. Just like the Imperium never REALLY loses these days. It’s all kept in this awkward state of neutral, lol.

        • william timonen

          4 years and one edition isnt restent in my humble opinion.

          • Charon

            Depends on the time you spent in the hobby. in a 16+ years frame, 4 years is pretty “recently”

          • Crevab

            It’s pretty recent that they’ve written goals for each Crusade. Before Battlefleet Gothic they were all “invade and wreck up the place”.
            Memesters seem to assume they’ve all been attempts at taking Terra

          • Martin B

            I remember the Abaddon model being released (1996). The black crusades were basically just a reason to put the hurt on the imperium, there wasn’t necessarily a grand plan other than total destruction. So you could argue that the black crusades were far from failures (though some would be questionable). Just my opinion, I always quite liked Abaddon and his background. He definitely needs a new model though.

      • ieyke

        You mean the knowledge of having closely followed the fluff for decades and watched as Abaddon constantly fails?

        • Tothe

          Imperial propaganda.

          • nurglitch

            For example, he succeeds in taking the Blackstone Fortresses in the Gothic War, he succeeds in obtaining the End of Empires, etc.

          • Gilissen Kim

            The Retconned stuff clearly shows how much a failure he was. Don’t believe me, read it!

          • nurglitch

            I’ve read it all. Still not a failure.

    • Koen Cambré

      Make chaos great again!

      • LeroyJenkinss

        No

        • Horus84cmd

          But they’re are going to build the best walls and make the Orks pay for it; they know all the best people, some of the cleverest!

          • Seienchin

            Yeah, I know them personally.
            And when you are Chaos you can grab em anywhere. Yeah grab em by the Rosarius… Ok that was just bad – I apologize.

    • Malisteen

      Sure, I guess. I mean, if they had even one character positioned to be a superior replacement, then sure, but they don’t.

      • Laurence J Sinclair

        Huron Blackheart rises to the challenge, an unlikely villain fighting against all the odds.

        • Malisteen

          I can’t think of a single other legion that would follow him, and his grand history is losing a single rebellion and being chased into the maelstrom never to matter again. If they try to prop him up as an overall faction leader he’ll instantly be a bigger target of fan hate and mockery than Abaddon.

        • Drew_Da_Destroya

          Ugh, renegades.

        • Vicent Martín Bonet

          You mean that giant gary stu? Seriously his greatest achievement was getting punked in Badab and, despite never winning a big engagement nor do anything truly noteworthy afterwards his supposed to be the 2nd biggest chaos lord. Something he achieved in decades. Power fantasy at its finest.

  • Sonic tooth

    i hope he dies, never been a fan. would be great if he was killed in a horrible and embarrassing way by one of the daemon primarchs or maybe even the lion.. (but we know itll be gulliman or cypher prob)

    • ieyke

      Guilliman deserves to kill him, and wipe him away like slime on his boot.

      • LeroyJenkinss

        Or of he trips and hits his head, dies slowly of a ruptured aneurysm.

        • ieyke

          That would be PERFECT.

        • euansmith

          “The way I heard it, the Warmaster died without setting foot on Terra. The Assault Claw was blowing maximum retros and he suffered a Total Internal Organ Prolapse… even his brain.”

          • jeff white

            TIOP, even his brain.

        • Malisteen

          Given GW’s bizarre refusal to let chaos marines have any form of deep strike scatter mitigation ever since 6th edition, the most likely embarrassing death for Abaddon would be teleporting into a rock.

  • Randy Randalman

    Good. Ol Topknot has failed to lead Chaos anywhere for 10,000 years. I imagine they’ll get rid of him for good, or he’ll finally do what Horus never did and ascend to demonhood.

    • Malisteen

      And anyone else has led chaos anywhere else in that time? Who exactly would you have in his place?

      • Drpx

        “Lead Chaos” is a contradiction like “Anarchist Government.” Even without Abaddon Chaos will still be burning planets or making the Imperium burn them for the literal Hell of it.

    • BrianDavion

      and if Abbaddon sacks terra?

  • Karru

    Oh great… The only Mortal Chaos Lord capable of gathering an army large enough to be considered a real threat to the Imperium is getting killed. Can’t wait to see what monstrous creature replaces him…

    I personally don’t like the idea that GW believes people only care about large monstrous creature sized beings for their HQ choices. I’d prefer using Abaddon and Calgar with bodyguard units, as they allow for some amazing conversion possibilities. I guess GW just doesn’t like that and would much rather see everyone use monster characters that go alone.

    • Mr.Gold

      they cost more money…

      • Karru

        That’s the problem with the current design philosophy of GW when it comes to models. They are always looking for ways to include large models into armies in some way. This is especially true these days when it comes to HQs. Just look at AoS, all of the “legendary” characters are either riding large monsters or they just are large monsters.

        I like my “legendary” characters regular sized because it allows for way more room to make something unique. Calgar has his Honour Guard with him, but making more of them is the fun part. You can also come up with your own alternative to them, if you so desired. Abaddon is more fun because his bodyguards don’t have models really. Making extremely cool looking Terminators for could be great fun.

        Same thing with Eldrad, Creed, Ghazghkull, Dante and so on. Heck, even Hive Tyrants can be made pretty cool with Tyrant Guards. Still GW releases more and more giant kits for their legendary characters. Monsters that run alone, getting either killed before they can blink or are so broken that just bringing it to the table makes the opponent question if playing the game is worth it.

        It was nice to see them release the Trio boxes, but I’d still very much enjoy seeing the “legendary” characters to remain regular sized, especially for Chaos.

        • BrianDavion

          the ability to take bodyguards is more a function of status as an independant character then anything else. It remains to be seen if Gulliman will be an IC (magnus wasn’t but a deamon prince has never been an IC) but my gut feeling is he will indeed be an IC, as such deploying him with a bodyguard unit’ll proably not only be possiable, but likely even have a formation for it. (and I think gulliman with a honor guard detachment might be a fun way to run him)

        • Haighus

          To be fair, Ghazgull should be a monster of a model, but I otherwise largely agree.

  • Emprah

    Spiritual Liege kills Failabaddon, he becomes Failabaddon the demon prince. Fancy new model.

  • ieyke

    Guilliman was never dead.
    The only dead loyalist Primarchs are Dorn, Sanguinius, and Mannus.

    • Horus84cmd

      To be honest Mannus and Dorn are both dubious to if they are dead. Plus there is scope to get around the Sanguinius issue..

      • ZeeLobby

        Which is just the dumbest thing ever. LoL. I literally had to go look it up when someone told me they were cloning him and that the Admech had captured one of his clones… ugh…

      • Philip Estabrook

        Mannus is dead but might be cloned back to life. Dorn is a tough one only because the lack of a whole body leaves the door open.

      • SilentPony

        Where is the dubious-ness in Manus? Dude was beheaded, skinned, ripped apart, his body used for random parts, and his skull put on display in the Lupercal court until after the Heresy, where it was used to buy the loyalty of the Iron Hands to the new Imperium.

        • Horus84cmd

          And who says the head given to Horus was the real one…or indeed the flayed body was the real one and not one of the failed clones?

          Dun-dun-duuuuun!

          • SilentPony

            …wat.

            The body was flayed on the spot, on Istvaan V, minutes after its death, and the head was given to Horus the next day, skin still on, and Horus had it flayed later.

          • Horus84cmd

            switcheroo by sneaky Fabius or Fulgrim or daemons.

            I would not place much stock on flaying a primarch either. Especially, one with metal arms.

            Alot of 40K is saturday morning telly stuff that can easily be slotted in.

          • SilentPony

            That’s true. I think GW itself said they maintain multiple canons going at any given point. Cato and Titus were both captains of the 2nd at roughly the same time for example.

          • Horus84cmd

            Personally, I’m not sure they have ever said they are running multiple cannons. However, as there have been more inconsistencies introduced because of all the BL novels – not that that matters too much.

          • Loki Nahat

            nothing remotely contradictory with Titus and Cato, Cato is end of the 41st millenium, Tit’y is ‘someother undeclared time’

          • SilentPony

            Actually Sergeant Sidonus lost his arm against a Tyranid. So that means Space Marine takes place at the earliest 745.m41.
            And Cato becomes captain of the 2nd immediately after the First Tyrannic War, during the reorganizing of the Ultramarines.
            So sadly there’s no room for Titus and Cato to both be in command.

            Also the Blood Ravens were from the Aurelian Crusade, which takes place 997.m41

      • 6Cobra

        Dorn is “presumed dead” but Ferrus is deader than a doornail. Sure you could clone him; I guess technically you could clone any of the Primarchs but that’s not the same thing IMO.

        • Horus84cmd

          Plenty of loop holes left dangling to have Ferrus alive should the designers whim it.

        • Shawn

          Agreed, a clone isn’t the same thing which is why I mentioned Ferru’s essence/soul residing in Forgebreaker and when reuinited with the clone the essence/soul enters the clone and “becomes” Ferrus. Although, it is possible, I suppose, especially if Ferrus is a pepetual, and his head is still “alive” maybe given time he could regenerate a new body, complete with living metal arms.

      • BrianDavion

        having your head cut off is dubious?

        • Horus84cmd

          Potentially, in the case of a Primarch. Especially, one with magicy metal arms and an innate ability with technology. 🙂

          • nurglitch

            The one where it’s described how decapitation lets all his primarch essense escape?

  • ZeeLobby

    “Second, we all know how dead is rarely ever DEAD DEAD in the grimdark.”

    Which makes it not very grimdark at all… That’s like bad soap opera.

    • Karru

      Each time I read any of the GW lore tidbits they use to advertise their books that are in the style of “how will X deal with this situation”, I always do it in the voice of your chliché “end of the show voice”.

      “Will Guilliman be able to push back the tide of Chaos? What is Cypher up to? WILL GOKU REACH SUPER SAYAN LEVEL 5?! Tune in next time for another episode of Grim Darkness of the Far Future!”

      • ZeeLobby

        Haha. Man. They need to hire “that guy” for their promo videos.

      • william timonen

        Who has came back from the dead? Guillman has always been alive.

        • ZeeLobby

          Ferrus. He’s been cloned.

        • Karru

          What? I didn’t mention anything about anyone being dead, that was ZeeLobby.

      • Shawn

        Stay Tuned 40k Fans, Same 40k Time, Same 40k Channel

    • Shawn

      Hey now, if you’re a hive worker, servitor, imperial guardsmen or a no-named infantry man you become DEAD DEAD, LOL.

      • ZeeLobby

        And if you manage to stop a saboteur before dying, now THATS a good story.

        • Shawn

          True enough.

  • ieyke

    “Abaddon is not making it out alive of the big 40K shakeup.
    Cypher may be the man who pulls the trigger”

    God, I hope so. THAT would be hilarious.
    Abaddon is such a pathetic scrub.

    But somehow that wouldn’t stick, and the Chaos Gods would inexplicably reward his failure by making him a Daemon Prince, just as an excuse to sell a new model.

    • ZeeLobby

      Sounds about right.

    • Malisteen

      What chaos character isn’t a scrub? Angron: loses on armageddon, banished for ten thousand years. Magnus: loses on Fenris. Haunter: so emo he lets an imperial assassin kill him. Alpharius: the living embodiment of every shallow, stupid, ‘exactly as planned’ meme. If Cypher’s any indication, he’ll turn out to have been a loyalist the entire time once this is done. Any of the other primarchs, who all spent ten thousand years doing absolutely nothing, that is when they weren’t sabotaging chaos by fighting each other? Huron, who lost one little rebellion and was chased into the maelstrom never to matter again?

      Tell me which one of these losers you would have over Abaddon. Even if they come up with an entirely new character, they’ll soon be considered just as much of a failure as Abaddon, since apparently the only measure of success is toppling the Imperium and ending the game by killing off the rest of the factions.

      • CthulhuDawg

        “Alpharius: the living embodiment of every shallow, stupid, ‘exactly as planned’ meme.”

        It helps if you think of Warhammer30k/40k as a Greek Tragedy and these figures as Deus Ex Machina. The whole setting starts to make a lot more sense and feel more right when viewed through this lens, for me anyway.

        • Malisteen

          That kind of reading worked a lot better when it was half-shrouded and often contradictory myths and legends handed down though time, not a bunch of explicit narratives presented as ‘this is what happened’.

          And even then, the Alpha Legion stuff in the heresy books has been, generally speaking, really bad and trite, and efforts to go back and patch it up since have had the obvious air of author saving throws rather than any sort of deliberate planning.

          Honestly, Omegon was a terrible idea from the start, and imo Alpha Legion fluff will never recover from his introduction.

        • nurglitch

          Using any kind of thinking that doesn’t descend to using 4chan-esque memes is an improvement.

      • ieyke

        True. Chaos is nothing but scrubs. I won’t argue that.

        • Malisteen

          The problem isn’t the characters, the problem is the writing. Changing which character is in the limelight leading inevitably unsuccessful attempts to eliminate the imperium won’t make a difference. Getting rid of Abaddon changes nothing.

          Keep Abaddon. Ditch the writers, and just write him better. Sadly enough, they were already achieving this. The Black Legion supplement was great (fluff wise, the rules were a mess, but what else is new). Talon of Horus was tremendous. To make that kind of headway only to cut their own feet out from under them with a move like this is classic Games Workshop behavior, and not in a good way.

          • David Leimbach

            The problem isn’t bad writing. The problem is the good writing. It makes you forget that 40k is essentially puplp sci-fi. You get your hopes up that you’re entering a new age of good 40k fiction writing and then get let down by over-the-top rule-of-cool cliches.

            You just have to enjoy 40k for what it is and that’s just never going to be Shakespear.

        • Dragons Claw
      • Drpx

        Kharn. He has a simple goal (KILL SOMETHING) but no matter what, he always accomplishes it.

        • Malisteen

          There are plenty of characters Kharn has gone up against and failed to kill, and he couldn’t successfully lead two kittens out of a cardboard box without murdering them. He has to be freaking chained up between battles. He’s a weapon, not a commander.

          • Drpx

            But he still kills things. Therefore he always wins. Also, being a character doesn’t mean you have to be a commander, nor does being a weapon discount you.

          • polyquaternium7

            contrary to popular believe http://i.imgur.com/5C3Qk.jpg

    • palaeomerus

      It would be great if they make Abaddon an undivided daemon prince, and deeply appalled by this, he refuses to fight for them and just leaves. So you have a really cool $110 model that won’t fight for you. He just stands there flipping you off with a sneer on his face THAT YOU PAINTED YOURSELF.

    • BrianDavion

      could it be that the source of this knowledge has made some incompletes assumptions based on what he actually knows, and that rather then dying Abbadon is instead going to become a deamon prince?

  • Horus84cmd

    If Abaddon dies he’ll come back – likely a reincarnated Horus 🙂

    • ieyke

      Horus cannot be reincarnated.

      • Horus84cmd

        Say who exactly, IN a made up Universe where literally and figuratively anything can and does happen based on the whims of the designers?

        • ieyke

          The fluff.
          There’s nothing left to reincarnate.
          His body is left to be cloned. Fabius Bile keeps trying and failing at that.

          But his soul/essence/spirit/Warp presence was abandoned by the fleeing Chaos Gods, and then completely eradicated by The Emperor.

          • Horus84cmd

            The fluff…written by the designers who can also manipulate said fluff to meet their desires…

          • ragelion

            Exactly, my bet GW are going to kill Abbadon and bring him back as a primarch figure.

          • Shawn

            So he does get reincarnated, in a manner of speaking.

    • Malisteen

      Why would you even want to bring back Horus? He was a bigger failure than Abaddon has ever been, had to be duped into turning on the emperor, and did so for mopey daddy issue reasons. Leave him dead.

      • Horus84cmd

        Never said I wanted that. Just that it is likely that that is a possible root after killing Abaddon – if that even happens.

        Even more so with Primarchs returning to 40K. It will be obvious for more, if not, all the Primarch to return.

    • BrianDavion

      or come back as a deamon prince.

      • Horus84cmd

        Quiet possibly

  • Malisteen

    Abaddon is the Black Legion, and there’s no one else positioned to take his place. Killing him off is tantamount to killing off the entire subfaction, the one that has been the vanilla face of the faction as a whole for ages. This is tantamount to killing off the Ultramarines altogether.

    I’m not saying GW won’t do it, I rather suspect they will, otherwise we would have seen a new Abaddon model already. It’s just a dick move is all.

    Particularly annoying, even if you don’t like Abby, as there are literally no characters positioned to take his place as the overall faction leader and unifying force to give the four gods who hate each other more than anything else an in-universe banner to unite against under outside enemies.

    • ieyke

      The difference is that the Ultramarines matter. The Black Legion has never really mattered since they were the Sons Of Horus.
      Ultramarines go around getting all sorts of stuff done constantly, and being a linchpin of the Imperium.
      Until recent retconning, the Black Legion just makes a lot of noise and contributes pretty much nothing to 40k. The other Chaos Legions actually accomplish things.

      The Ultramarines may be the “normal” Space Marines, but they still have a distinct style, culture, and role.
      The Black Legion is literally just generic Chaos Marines. Generic to the point where they haphazardly have Marines from other Legions and Chapters, and they all get lost in the indistinct muddy mess.

      They’ve started trying to retcon Abaddon and the Black Legion into being interesting over the last couple editions, and it’s not really working.
      Destroying Cadia is pretty much the first thing he’s done that actually mattered, and it took him 10,000 years to manage that.

      If they wiped out the Black Legion, who even cares?
      There are plenty more generic Chaos Marines to replace them.
      The Red Corsairs are literally the same thing, except about 1000x more interesting.
      Hell, that’s probably why they tried to replace the Black Legion with the Red Corsairs a couple editions ago.

      • ragelion

        The other legions accomplish things? Really? As a slaanesh fan emperor’s children have largely done nothing and are fragmented. One of the slaaneshi warbands for the black legion it’s main fluff point is that it’s made up of tons of emperor’s children because they actually DO stuff of importance.

        Even if the black legion is not hugely successful they do stuff in the setting.

        Thousand sons have done stuff, same with the iron warriors and the black legion. The rest? Minor.

        • ieyke

          Okay, you’re right. ALL of the Chaos Legions are worthless.
          The Black Legion is just the MOST worthless, because they’re such tryhards and manage to fail the hardest.
          The others at least only accomplish minor stuff while not really going out of their ways to do much.

          The Black Legion spends insane amounts of effort to achieve nothing.

          • Malisteen

            Even before recent retcons, The Black Crusades smashed dozens of systems, disrupted entire sectors, secured the most powerful weapons available to chaos as a whole. Furthermore. The idea that they were failures because they did not individually topple the Imperium has always been a garbage meme, and even in the old fluff all chaos marine forces participated in the black crusades, and the only reason they never completely toppled the imperium was because the gods of chaos would get bored or jealous and direct their particular servants to attack each other instead.

            So Your talking about a commander who led several largely successful campaigns against a much larger and more powerful adversary, and saying he should be replaced by his subordinates for never outright eliminating that adversary, despite the only reason he failed to do so being that those subordinates were more interested in shooting their allies than their enemies.

            There is literally no other character in the Fluff positioned to replace Abaddon, and his roll in the faction is Essential. I’m not saying GW won’t kill him off, they almost certainly will, but it will be a bad move and the chaos faction overall will be worse off for it, regardless of whether you individually like abaddon as a character or not.

          • ragelion

            They will kill him to give him a new model. Even if Abaddon is chosen by all 4 gods he would not be able to defeat RG.

            They are most likely going to use this death to power him up IF this rumor is true.

          • Malisteen

            I doubt it. Making him a daemon destroys his entire character gimmick. Might as well kill him off and put a nobody like Huron or Lorgar in his place.

          • ragelion

            Not a daemon, primarch. In his novel when he was blessed by chaos they kept banging on how he is growing in size.

          • Drpx

            Another Nagash.

          • BrianDavion

            it’s possiable they could do both by having him apper to die only to return as a deamon prince.

          • Drpx

            Chaos doesn’t want to achieve anything, it wants to tear down other people’s achievements. The Imperium is the Emperor’s sandcastle and they’re kicking at it. Every scheme and plan boils down to making it easier for them to knock another wall down.

      • Malisteen

        Let’s see, until recently here’s a summary of what the other legions have accomplished post-heresy:

        Night Lords: Their primarch was so apathetic that he just let himself be murdered, and then the legion broke up into splinter groups that have accomplished nothing since. Their most Iconic bit of narrative is an ADB trilogy where a failing Night Lords warband proceeds to finish failing the rest of the way.

        Emperor’s Children: After their primarch abandoned them to play daemonic politics, they wasted all their energy fighting other chaos marines, broke into splinters. Since the heresy, they have achieved literally nothing of value.

        World Eaters: After their primarch abandoned them to play daemonic politics, they wasted all their energy fighting other chaos marines, broke into splinters. Since the heresy, they have achieved literally nothing of value.

        Iron Warriors: Their primarch set up shop on a daemon world, where he proceeded to succumb to sloth and laziness. The legion turtled up around him and have done nothing of note in the overall setting since.

        Death Guard: Their primarch set up shop on a daemon world, where he proceeded to succumb to sloth and laziness. The legion turtled up around him and have done nothing of note in the overall setting since.

        Thousand Sons: Their primarch set up shop on a daemon world, where he proceeded to succumb to sloth and laziness. The legion turtled up around him and, until last year, have done nothing of note in the overall setting since.

        Word Bearers: Their primarch holed himself up in his room to pray/sulk for ten thousand years, and as far as important events to the overall continuity are concerned, the legion have been sitting on their hands waiting for him to come back out.

        Alpha Legion: with the way their recent heresy fluff has been going, and with GW’s decision on what to finally actually do with the Fallen, I fully expect the Alpha Legion will be explicitly a loyalist faction by the time all is said and done.

        Red Coursairs: lost one rebellion, causing damage to a couple systems, and were forced into the Maelstrom never to matter again.

        Frankly, the truth of the matter, even before you get to the recent retcons, is that the Black Legion is the *ONLY* Chaos Space Marine sub faction that has mattered to the overall fluff of the game since the Heresy. Every major Chaos Incursion into the imperium worth mentioning was led by the Black Legion, because the Black Legion are the only chaos marines that have been portrayed as giving a rats behind about challenging the imperium since the scouring. Every other chaos marine subfaction either dissolved to meaninglessness, or became entirely wrapped up in daemonic political games and inter-faction conflicts, or else declared a new home on a daemon world and stopped caring about anything that happened off of it.

        And sure, some of that lack of energy and contribution has been retconned recently, but if you’re going to accept the retcons that portray the other legions as still mattering and still being active – in some cases as still existing at all – and not the ones that make Abaddon a meaningful character, then you’re just being hypocritical

        • Alexandre Ménard

          That or:

          -World Eaters: Primarch assembled his legion and caused Armaggedon First war, which caused then political problems between the Wolves and the Inquisition.

          -Thousand Sons: Arhiman tried to enter the webway and was close to success. Their Primarch United them and they attacked Fenris.

          -Black Legion: Generic stuff indeed, style the legion at the center of the black crusades.

          • Malisteen

            World Eaters: until relatively recent Armageddon had nothing to do with an assembled chaos legion, and was almost entirely a demonic affair.

            Thousand Sons: Ahriman failed to enter the Black Library, and apparently that makes him a failure who should be killed from the fluff. Ahriman was an exile at the time and shouldn’t even count as Thousand Sons. Abaddon’s attempt on the Black Library was bard of one of Abaddon’s crusades, so it falls under Black Legion operations anyway. The entire ordeal was retconned out of existence anyway.

            As for Magnus’s move on the Wolves: he spent 10,000 years doing bugger all, and his assault on Fenris was ultimately unsuccessful even after all that prep time, so apparently he’s a failure who should be killed from the fluff. Also, that is recent fluff, and if recent fluff is in play than so are the retcons to Abaddons crusades, which makes the majority of them overwhelmingly successful.

      • William Jameson

        Did you mean Crimson Slaughter? Because I can’t recall the Red Corsairs being attempted to be put into the Chaos limelight half as hard as them.

        • Malisteen

          Huron is regularly suggested as a replacement for Abaddon for overall chaos faction leader. I’m just pointing out that that idea is ridiculous.

  • SilentPony

    I heard it was Gulliman who is going to remind poor Ezekyle that no Marine, however big their ego is, is a match for a Primarch.

    • Drpx

      Someone will buy, assemble and paint a full Ultramarines chapter just to set it on fire on YouTube if that happens.

  • JayBiga
  • Christie Bryden

    it would be more awesome if he is forced back and then a familure sword suddenly stabs him, then in the next age of sigmar book archeon random stabs the air.

  • Brendan

    Dante is going to die in the the next year

  • Vorsun

    Damn, Cypher is really going over.

  • Sleeplessknight

    In other words they don’t want to sculpt a new model for Abaddon.

    • BrianDavion

      eh in fairness I think that Abaddon’s character arc is just about done, suceed or fail, the 13th black crusade is kind of his “moment” he can’t , if they wanna keep the setting remotely intact, have a complete victory, and him not winning a total victory makes things somewhat problematic for the character

  • Rafał Pytlak

    I think even if Abby will bite the dust, the chaos gods will snap they’re fingers and bring him back a moment later like with Kharn/Eliphas or Lucius.

  • DeCold

    Yeah that would be logical end to trilogy of books centered on Chaos event, with all good stuff given to loyalists and eldars. Universe will be dead on 8th edition anyway.

  • Emperor’s Champion

    my friend is both an angels and blegion fan, wonder how tough he’s gonna find this if true

  • MechBattler

    I’d bet that Abaddon gets offed and then resurrected as a Daemon Prince.

    • Chet Atkinson

      Bound to! 🙂

  • Talos2

    Hmm seems unlikely. I could maybe see him ascend but not die. We’ll see

  • jeff white

    If they push experienced (old) gamers ten thousand years into the past and 30k then lots of fans will “die”

  • Gunther Clone C

    SPOILER:
    Tyranids show up and eat everyone. The End.

  • Slaanesh Devotee

    Well something seemed weird when they used the current Abaddon model for Fall of Cadia instead of a shiny new one.

    • BrianDavion

      I just assumed they where focusing on three packs right now, with a plan for a chaos approperate 3 pack down the line, but yeah that’d also explain it. partiuclarly if among chaos the focus will be shifting to deamon primarchs.

      • Slaanesh Devotee

        Yeah, that occurred to me too. If everyone else has these super sized primarch models, a new Abaddon model would seem pretty poor by comparison.. He wouldn’t be so intimidating at all, would he~

        Chaos will probably get someone Archaon sized, I expect.

        • BrianDavion

          another idea is that he could end up a fatality of the popularity of the heresy and GW is gonna have the deamon primarchs take a more active role

  • Noah Jerge

    Why is Abaddon not a Daemon Prince yet?

    • Andy Wise

      He doesn’t want to be one I don’t think. He’s of the means to an end variety of ally to chaos rather than a devotee. My take anyway.

      • Noah Jerge

        I guess that makes sense. Thanks!

    • life of adept brian

      Daemon Princes are slaves of the Chaos gods, Abaddon wants to master them

  • Dave Bacon

    My money is on it not being abaddon who dies but guilliman, stabbed in the back by cypher with the lion sword who spends 98% of the plot befriending ol’rob only to then turn on him right at the end. Then the next campaign comes around, somehow or other guilliman is reborn, leading to a new model, the lion wakes up, another new model, cypher pops up, gives the lion his blade back. Rob turns up at the rock, his memories are confused because some something death related, sees the lion with the sword, thinks “I remember that sword…” cue the next campaign where the smurfs and dark angels start fighting each other. The fallen turn up, get confused, shoot everyone, various other marine chapters turn up, have no idea who to join, start fighting each other. Kharn and his mates turn up, think “this is brilliant!” Wade in with axes whiring. Khorne gets over excited, eats all the other chaos gods. Orks see this fight going on, think “this is brilliant!”. They join in. Eldar sit on their craftworlds, claim they manipulated this whole thing from the moment apes started rubbing sticks together. Necromancy take one look and go “screw this, let’s go back to bed.” The main body of the tyranid hive fleet turns up… “nom nom nom” start to eat everyone.

    Cue 8th edition…

    8th edition rules are simple. Choose as many models as you like, from any faction, multiple factions, anything you like, literally fill the board with tau, guard, marines, whatever. Spend hours arranging them on the board in cool ways to make it look like a massive brawl. Fill a dump truck with tyranid models, reverse up to the board, dump the tyranids on the table.

    Whichever faction has the most models left on the table wins.

    Rules simplified and tyranids finally git gud all in one go.

    • OrbitalHammer

      get out of here matt ward, you’re not welcome!

  • David Leimbach

    SPOILER: Guillman dies. 😉

  • AwesomePizza

    It would be fitting since his character is an utter failure and a joke.

  • Bakvrad

    Since the rumor that is written about this saying “Gw staff joking about abaddon getting shot by the bolt pistol of cypher”, it could simply be, since white dwarf is written months earlier, that in one battle report this exactly happened. Now they make fun of it (and maybe use it now as a typical cypher confusion tactic 😉 )

  • SundaySilence

    I’ve never understood why Abaddon is in charge to be honest. A Primarch could usurp pretty easily not to mention if any of the Daemon Primarchs decided they wanted to be in charge.

  • OrbitalHammer

    Abaddon will have to die. Its common sense. If you’re bringing the primarchs back on both sides, what role does he play anymore? He can’t compete with a new angron, or magnus unless he ascends, and since one of the strongest themes in Abaddon’s story was his desire not to ascend, that would make no sense.

    in the end, all he’ll wind up doing is opening the door for the chaos primarchs. one more tragedy in the long life of Abaddon

  • This Dave

    About damn time. As many times as I’ve seen him obliterated on the battlefield I figure the Chaos Gods had to be thinking “why are we backing this punk?”

  • Drifire

    Personally i hope that the Tyrant of Badab Huron Blackheart would be the one to kill him