40K: Tartaros Terminator Rules Confirmed

The Tartaros Terminators are hitting shelves this weekend – come take a look at their rules!

The Mark III Power Armor and Tartaros Terminators from Burning of Prospero are getting their own kits from Games Workshop. Those kits are scheduled to hit shelves this weekend but some folks have gotten their hands on them early. Take a look at these rules for the latest Terminator release:

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In a weird twist, this kit will allow loyalist Marines to get their hands on a weapon that has been almost exclusively Chaos Space Marine turf for years: The Reaper Autocannon. Now, the argument can be made that because these are base on Pre-Heresy tech that it fits – I get that. But that’s still got to rub a bit of salt on that wound for CSM players out there.

But that’s not all these new Terminators are getting – the Plasma Blaster and Volkite Charger are also options for the Tartaros. The Deflagrate rule will help out quite a bit vs lightly armored infantry. And lets not discount the extra hits from the Grenade Harness. It’s not amazing but 2 shot “Blast” could score you quite a few extra hits – wounding is another matter…

While these models are certainly Horus Heresy transfers they are getting the 40k treatment for their rules. They will come with “ATSKNF” as well as Chapter Tactics and Combat Squads. Their armor might be ancient but their rules won’t be! Also, because they are wearing Tartaros Terminator armor they will have Deep Strike, Relentless, Bulky and a 5+ invulnerable save.

Will these replace your standard Terminator Squads? I’ll leave that up to you to decide for yourself. I think they give shooty Terminators a run for their money but trading an Assault Cannon for a Reaper Autocannon might sting. And when it comes to assaulting they are still terminators with Power Fists standard…take that for what it’s worth.

 

Tartaros Terminators $60

“Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or Terminator Armour as it is more usually known, is the most resilient form of personal protection available to the Adeptus Astartes. Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently. Perhaps the most advanced form is the Tartaros pattern, allowing for greater mobility than other examples of Terminator armour with no loss in durability or protection.”

 

Tartaros Terminators – available in stores Saturday!

  • Parthis

    :-/

    It’s a little unsettling to see 30K stuff (not models; weapons and gear) bleed into 40K. It’s always had such a clean separation, and the stuff Alan is designing and writing for 30K is balanced around 30K. Throwing it into 40K just seems, well, like a cash grab.

    • It doesn’t only seem like. It is.

      • Honest Kairos

        I don’t always be like it is, but it do.

    • Sparti67

      I wonder however if this is some of the stuff Papa Smurf is taking out of the closet? The fluff points that way.

      • Severius_Tolluck

        I found it hilarious in Fall of Cadia how they kinda snuck an explanation as why there was a large amount of Pre Heresy Smurfs running around.

        • Sparti67

          Yeah lol. Boy I thought I had a plastic crack addiction. Apparently it pails in comparison to some Necron Lords.

      • Drpx

        He had a few dozen STCs up his bum when he went into stasis.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      these should have been kept for 30K. I can see an argument for letting Chaos players of less corrupted Legions have a squad, but ordinary Loyalist marines should be the last people to get common access to them.

      It makes 30K less special and makes a mockery of the fluff. Same with Cataphractii armour for normal marines.

      A single suit of these armours should be a relic, not a normal unit option.

      • Lord Elpus

        Fully agree! These should be options for captains etc..

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        The only reason these suits are rare is because GW was not making them.

      • Hedwerx

        I’m planning an army of Marines from a chapter that has been charged with maintaining relic armours. Mostly as an excuse to use a few older styles of suits in the force (they’ll mostly be wearing MKVI though, 2nd and 3rd Co.s plus company vets will be wearing earlier MKs) So these are cool for me as I’ll probably have a squad or two in Tartaros in the force.
        The basic background being they’re perfectly happy sending half, or a quarter of a company off to recover a few squads worth of pre MKVI armour fallen on some alien world.
        They recruit wholesale from any world they come across, essentially inducting every male between 11-16 on a world (or that worlds capital) when they need to swell the numbers. Those that don’t make the preliminary genetic tests are still equipped for battle and used as screening forces (Imp guard essentially)

        Essentially it’s a rough excuse to use cooler mk’s of armour in my army, with IG allies.
        Though tbh I’ll probably use the Forge World Tartaros, as they have the later style Imperial Heraldry on their armour.

        But apart from that yeah, they should be super rare in most standard Marine Chapters.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          There are chapters with similar fluff actually. One of the ones on the loyalist side in Badab War (maybe Minotaurs or Carcharadons, can’t remember) was equipped with old armour and collected equipment. Suspected to be loyalist remains of a rebel legion.

          • Hedwerx

            Yeah I’d do Carcharodons (maybe) If I was up for doing a GW chapter. I want to do my own scheme tough, so I need to come up with my own BS background to legitimise my army.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            And why not!

          • Haighus

            Carcharadons 🙂 The DA successor Consecrator Chapter also has similar fluff of being a relic store for the old DA Legion.

        • Kinsman

          Consecrators!

      • Massawyrm

        As a Space Sharks player, the fluff has said I’ve had these back in the armoury for years, but I wasn’t allowed to use them. Now I can. Hopefully this leads to a unit cost reduction in our standard terminators to make them more attractive while keeping these at a nice price point here.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Funny, I just replied to Hedwerx mentioning Carcharadons/Space Sharks as a good chapter if you wanted loyalists with archaic kit!

      • G Ullrich

        There’s always been pieces here and there of what we know envision as 30K armor in the 40K sets. Looking way back you had the various marks in some of the early metal. It’s common lore that relic pieces would be found in individual suits of armor in 40K. And nothing in the fluff says that full suits we not still worn.
        What we’re getting here is GW from a production standpoint able to push forward and support these specific armor Marks where before they couldn’t justify the expense. It’s not fluff new, it’s just new for the models.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          No it is new fluff. We were told previously that forgeworlds could only make Indomutus pattern, so others were so rare as to be practically non existent in current loyalist use. Now the rules allow you to field as many of these priceless rare relics as you can fit into your list, even if your chapter is newly founded.

    • Philip Estabrook

      Haven’t Minotaur been using Tartaros armor for a while? Similarly, they never said Tartaros armor wasn’t available, just that its rare. I have used it for a long time and just had it counts as normal armor. Really, normal armor is still better than this!

  • Yea, we really needed those one-upped Terminators. Hurray!

  • uatu13

    The biggest change is that these guys can now sweeping advance!

    • Jani Jalassalo

      According the Spikeybits that posted earlier saying no Sweeping Advance to termis.

      • uatu13

        I don’t see that anywhere in the rules posted, especially under Tartaros Armor like you’d expect…?

        • Derek Lee

          So we are looking for an actual printed restriction on sweeping advance instead of a printed rule permitting TDA using sweeping advance?

          • uatu13

            Regular terminator armor has a special rule saying you can’t sweeping advance, these guys don’t seem to. Things can sweeping advance in the game unless it’s slow and purposeful, still locked in combat, or has a rule saying it can’t. Maybe it’s somewhere else, but I’d be pretty surprised if they hadn’t listed it under the rules for tartaros terminator armor.

          • stinkoman

            >redacted<

          • Munn

            No they aren’t you’re thinking of Cataphractii these are Tartaros

          • stinkoman

            wow people are quick draw here. i literally edited that 2 secs after i posted it. yeah i saw my mistake. but thanks

          • Derek Lee

            These are Relentless and Bulky but definitely not “Slow and Purposeful”.

            Looks good to me.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    I hate how Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves do not have access to these. Very frustrating.

    • John Bower

      Can you see anywhere where it says they don’t?
      As they are all Space marines which did in fact give them access to the new Psychic powers I don’t see why they can’t have the new armour.

      • Honest Kairos

        Well, in the case of Dark Angels. Let’s discuss the definition of “Loyalist.”

        • John Bower

          Now we know that ‘should’ exclude the treacherous dogs after their following a daemon to Fenris, but you and I both know they are still classed as ‘loyalists’.

          • Lord Elpus

            Wolves are a VERY loyal imperial chapter! No stain on their record.

          • NNextremNN

            They can’t even eat with a knife and fork and no liking your plate clean does not count as leave no stain.

          • Lord Elpus

            Neither can I! What’s wrong with grabbing hunks of hot meat and ripping into it with your teeth. That’s why we have incisors.😁

          • Honest Kairos

            The biggest “success” the Wolves ever had was following Horus’ order to “illuminate” Prospero. Just saying..

          • Lord Elpus

            T’was a grand day out!

          • Honest Kairos

            Best response ever. Made my spit out some coffee because of laughter.

            Also, how’s Fenris doing these days?

          • Lord Elpus

            Och, it’s fine! Locals fighting to the death, freezing temperatures and wildlife that will eat your face off.. quiet really…

          • John Bower

            Hey, at least the puppies don’t deal with daemons…. Much less obey their lies and treachery unlike certain (dark green) chapters seem to be doing.

        • Lord Elpus

          For Dark Angels “loyalist” means against the False Emperor…

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        SW, BA and DA do not have Chapter Tactics.

        Cataphractii and Contemptors are only available to the core SM codex.

        • stinkoman

          yeah, BA got rid of theirs, because no nipple armor. TDA is out all together in the next dex. only nipple armor will remain.

        • Lord Elpus

          Can’t help but feel that g.w is shooting themselves in the foot with that; as a Wolf player it would be great to field them. Some things should be available regardless of what chapter you are. Yes some things should be kept seperate; no Black Templar Death company or Wolf sternguard for example. However vanilla flyers and units like these Terminators should be imperium wide.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            This could all be solved by putting all loyalists together.

          • Honest Kairos

            Don’t say that. You’ll all be forced to play Ultramarines, whether you like it or not.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            Personally, I would prefer the supplement route for BA and DA. They are basically generic marines already, just slightly divergent. Space Wolves are really the only chapter deserving of their own real codex.

          • Kyle

            LOL they should treat all the loyalists chapters like they do the chaos legions. Delete them from crunch existence for over a decade before finally giving them back on top of a really weak codex, all combined in one supplement.

          • Drpx

            Hell, just give us Codex: Imperium and be done with it.

      • Lord Elpus

        They didn’t get access to the stuff that came out for Calth..😐😠

      • chaotichris

        It’s the chapter tactics rule. SW, DA and BA do not have chapter tactics, just special rules. Of course there will be conversion videos where Duncan will say to play them with homebrew rules, but in toyrneys they’ll be invalid.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Which makes no sense from a lore perspective. DA, BA, SW and CSM should have access.

          • chaotichris

            I totally agree. Also for contemptors and cataphractii.

    • Honest Kairos

      Dark Angels possibly do have access, it’s just not something they are currently willing to reveal publically.

      • orionburn

        Or because we barely use termies as it with the current dex…lol

        • Honest Kairos

          Very valid point.

    • Matthew LeBlanc

      Hello welcome to the side of disappointment. Here’s your seat next to my chaos marines.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        My Thousand Sons are equally as disappointed.

    • Vladamyr

      Welcome to Chaos…..come complain with us 😛

  • Honest Kairos

    Now, I don’t want to name the Cursed One here. But Matt Warrrghfijbfdh (sweet god, that was close) did recently get his job back with GW, right?

    • Yes. Even a blind can see that.

    • Drpx

      He never truly left.

    • PrimoFederalist

      Guilliman’s back and the de facto Emperor, so… yeah.

  • Deacon Ix

    I don’t see it written but I am going to jump to the conclusion (like a good little internet nerd) that CSM can’t take these – somehow my WB managed to ‘lose’ these suits in the last 10k years while the loyalist *spits* scum still have them…

    • Honest Kairos

      As a Thousand Sons player I sympathize. Why couldn’t my dudes have turned into dust while wearing these suits?

      • John Bower

        Because you’re a bunch of turncoat treasonous dogs…. 😉

        • Honest Kairos

          That, look, that was all a big misunderstanding.

        • Lord Elpus

          There you go talking about Dark Angels again…

          • John Bower

            Those too…. 😉

      • pompeyladBFP

        Erm they did.. Sekhmet’s dude

        • Honest Kairos

          The Scarab Termies? I love them, don’t get me wrong, but they are quite a bit different than these new rules.

          • Emprah

            They do wear Tartaros pattern, lore wise.

          • Honest Kairos

            Oh I know. Just minus all the cool new rules presented above.

          • Haighus

            I think that is because they are mostly inhabited by dust automatons. Same as the standard Thousand Sons getting Slow and Purposeful where normal Marines don’t. On the plus side, don’t Scarab Occult have two wounds each? Or am I misremembering?

          • Honest Kairos

            They actually have, in my opinion, a lot of Pros. Though, only the Occult Sorcerer gets 2 wounds. But, they have a lot of Cons as well (no power fist being an example.)

            I’m actually not complaining, was just more like a “Dammit GW, how is the exact same armor my dudes are wearing somehow better when it’s not on my dudes?”

          • Haighus

            That is fair, although I think the answer to your question is that the dudes above are living Marines. I suspect an equivalent CSM Tartaros non-Rubric squad would have the same rules.

          • Honest Kairos

            Huh. Seems like my response didn’t post. Anyhow, you’re right, unfortunately they didn’t benefit from the strangely upgraded versions that were just dug up.

        • StingrayP226

          Too bad the Sekhmets don’t have access to Powerfists or other anti-tank/ Armor 2 weapons…. most Batreps I see people just use normal Chaos Termies for 1k Sons due to this.

      • NNextremNN

        Actually they did.

      • Haighus

        Er, the recently released Scarab Occult Terminators literally are all wearing Tartaros pattern armour. Currently the only CSM to do so 😉

        Oh oops, someone else pointed this out already.

        • Honest Kairos

          Right, but rules wise, they don’t have access to the “new” (you know what I mean) rules/equipment options.

    • JD Robertson

      Yep, in addition to already having better stock terminators, the loyalists can now field CSM terminator squads as well. Only better.

      Well, no massed combi-meltas or combi-plasmas…

      • Coltcabunny

        …and then The Emperor did decree-
        “And They Shall Know No Unfavourable Rules Updates”

    • generalchaos34

      maybe its more like the mutating, god forsaken warp really keeps them from having pristine equipment, especially highly complex and advanced suits of terminator armor. I can see them getting their own chaosy versions of these but they will obviously be owned by some guy with tentacle arms and rules to reflect that, or they all became obliterators

    • petrow84

      Just like the plans for landspeeders, whirlwinds, assault cannons, TH+SS, 99% of their heresy stuff… their inventory management is CHAOS!
      OK, I see myself out.

  • Scott B. Smith

    These guys would make good Assault Terminators in heavy-cover warzones since, with the grenade harness, they maintain their Initiative while charging. Doubly true if they can, in fact, Sweeping Advance.

    I’m also not sure why Chaos Marines can’t take these or the Cataphractii armors. Surely they’d still have those around.

    • Honest Kairos

      Because we made one little mistake 10,000 years ago and people just won’t let us have nice things.

      • Scott B. Smith

        But you already had these things! 🙂

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      RAW, I’d say yes they can, but I’d wait for errata before springing that on someone.

      • Scott B. Smith

        That’s fair.

        • Honest Kairos

          No. I say just go for it and if questioned, simply state it is the Will of the Warp for you to have a Cataphractii unit. Just as Planned.

  • Charon

    It is always amazing to see how “chaos can not have this, loyalist aready got it! You would just have a unoriginal copy with spikes!” doesnt work the other way round.

  • pokemastercube .

    and of corse BA, SW and DA dont get to use them cos GW wants to punish us for not playing the main marine codex (and before people question, those chapters done have chapter tatics)

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Same with Contemptors and Cataphractii armor. So awful!

      • pokemastercube .

        well on the contemptors all we miss out on is squads as FW has done rules for them for ages, and besides FW rules have more weapon options and the mortis pattern (which i used before the plastic stuff was done) but yea i want to use the cataphractii squad i have in HH in 40K asi built my BA force to be swapable between both games (with a couple of exceptions) and fnd GW’s ignorence to the fact that they them selves said the BA have cataphractii terminator squads still functionin post heresy in a WD article telling us about the armour shows the people who do the background and rules dont talk

  • orionburn

    Is this a sign of things to come with Volkite weapons becoming more available to use in 40k? I don’t play 30k but see them around enough on FW’s site.

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      More excited about the Plasma Blaster, but that’s just me.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      No, probably not. It just happens to be on the sprue so GW needs to support it.

  • Mike X (Official)

    CSM got Vindicators, now SM get autocannons. Seems fair.

    • Admiral Raptor

      CSM have had Vindicators for two decades.

  • Hannoveraner

    Lorewise its silly to give tartaros other options than other terminator patterns, but of course GW has to sell the kits first (no hard feelings).

  • LordKrungharr

    Why would anyone take these over regular Termies? I mean they look neat, but is there a rules difference? Since 30k is almost all Marines, I’d just Cataphractii since they can’t sweeping advance the ATSKNF units anyway.

    • Djbz

      In 30K nothing has ATSKNF.
      And these guy’s are better than regular terminators in most ways.
      12″ or less range they shoot better (up to 24″ roughly equal)
      Sweeping advance allowed, can free swap Powerfist for lightning claw to strike at initiative, even when charging into terrain with the grenade harness.
      Only place they fall down is heavy weapons with no access to assault cannon or cyclone ML.

      • Haighus

        Interestingly, the wording is subtly different for who can take a heavy weapon- it says any model can swap their Stormbolter, which means you could give the Sergeant a heavy weapon if you wanted to. Not that there is much advantage, Look out Sir! perhaps, but the idea of a trigger happy Sergeant amuses me.

    • Derek Lee

      The potential to do sweeping advance, grenade harness, new guns on sergeant, and replace power fists with lightning claws. They aren’t as shooty or survivable as regular or Thunder hammer/storm shield TDA.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Why are these better in 40k?

      – Potentially, they can sweeping advance (not a huge deal in 40k but is massive in 30k)
      – These guys can be either Shooty or Melee or have a mix of options. Normal termies have to be one or the other.
      – Grenade Harness means they can charge into terrain and do not need to rely on the crusader/redeemer.

      In 30k the fact that they can sweeping advance is a game changer. Before when two terminator units clashed, you would either have to murder the enemy or be sad when they ran away. Now your super awesome anvil can delete the enemy’s super 400 point anvil unit off the board. Awesome.

  • Hedwerx

    I keep trying to decide if I wanted to buy the FW versions for quite a while… With £4 difference I still can’t decide if I want to buy the FW versions.

    • NNextremNN

      Well there is a FW version with Crux Terminatus on it.

      • Hedwerx

        They’ve got the eagle on the chest too.

        • NNextremNN

          I really like their look they just didn’t came in the BoP Box.

  • Lord Elpus

    Ahh but what chapters have the option of taking them, that’s what I want to know!

    • Djbz

      The One’s with Chapter tactics.
      As usual everyone else gets shafted

      • Lord Elpus

        Grrrrr….😠

  • shawnlowrey

    I would kill for some Deathwing rules that allowed for the use of all this new terminator armor! Also, Deathwing rules that were good!

  • Nyyppä

    Oh look, again the armor that would be in the arsenal of traitor legions is not allowed for them. Instead the indomitus, which would be the thing for loyalists, is the only option for the factions that are least likely to have them in meaningful numbers.

    Good going GW, not making any sense again.

  • NNextremNN

    Is there any bits store that sells single Crux Terminatus pieces which could be attached to them?

    • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

      A quick search on ebay turned up a bunch. The downside is that I think the pauldron’s visual look is way different but with a lot of modding, I suppose you could get the crux out of it.

  • MechBattler

    Will CSM get access to Razorbacks and the other Landraider patterns now? [MONOTONE VOICE]

    • Honest Kairos

      We’ll get some new Bolter ammo…

  • MechBattler

    On the flip side, how are these guys really any better than regular terminators? They can’t get storm shields and only the sarge has access to the super cool heresy guns.
    Being able to Sweep a unit is marginally useful, but it doesn’t seem like a big enough advantage to choose them over Assault Terminators for combat.
    Maybe if more than the sarge could get volkite it might be useful.
    They do have a little more flexibility like the chaos terminators, but they still fall short of even that.
    Am I missing something?

  • majbjörn

    In need of another wound or T 5……. like all other Terminators : /

  • Disc10

    Something worth noting from the GW store page on these Terminators:
    “This multi-part plastic kit contains the parts necessary to assemble 5 Tartaros Terminators, ready to be added to any Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines collection. They’re supplied with a variety of weapon options:”

    The same is also said of the Mk III armour:

    “This multi-part plastic kit contains the parts necessary to assemble 10 Space Marines in Mark III ‘Iron’ power armour, ready to add to any Space Marine or Chaos Space Marine collection. They come with a host of armament options:”

    Seems pretty cut and dry to me, CSM get access to this stuff too (as well they should!)