PP: Circle of Orboros Command

The Circle Orboros Command book is out and we’re taking a tour of what you can expect inside!

Get ready Hordes fans because we’re going to take a look inside the new Hordes: Circle Orboros Command book and we’re going to take a look at what makes the Circle tick!

This is another really well done book from Privateer Press. It’s got all the great lore and background for the faction plus each unit currently in the Circle arsenal gets some attention to boot. Oh and let’s not skip over all the rules, tips & tricks and the painting guide, too.

This book also has a pair of new Theme forces for Circle players to try out. Now, I’m not an expert at Circle but I have dabbled and both theme forces seem solid. One is focused on the Wolds and the other is more geared toward Warpbeasts. So which ever aspect of the Circle you like to play as, Privateer has you covered.

Overall, I’m liking these Command Books as a resources for the world of Warmachine/Hordes more than anything else. I like to learn about the history and the lore of Immoren as it helps to make the game world feel more alive. The Circle’s war is one that strives to maintain balance and the Blackclad Druids struggle both for and against the Wurm is really intriguing to me. Plus, I’ve always been a fan of those crazy Wold constructs! Circle Orboros Command is out and available in stores so go check it out for yourself!

Circle Orboros Command $31.99

The Circle Orboros is humanity’s most ancient organization, composed of powerful mystics who watch over natural places. While few in number, these druids wield the forces of nature and call upon savage beasts of the wilds such as ferocious warpwolves, agile griffons, and bounding satyrs. The druids can even bind the very stones into fearsome constructs ready to fight for the Circle. Alongside these fearsome warbeasts, human tribes known as Wolf Sworn stand ready with spear and crossbow to fight for their blackclad masters. Together the forces of the Circle Orboros teach all who trespass upon their lands to fear the power of Orboros.

Forces of HORDES: Circle Orboros Command provides the foundation you need to take up the work of this powerful and ancient order with:

• Complete rules and profiles for the mighty warlocks and savage warbeasts of the Circle Orboros, including two new warlocks and a new character warbeast.

• Detailed history and background information, including an in-depth look at Circle warlocks and warbeasts.

• A painting guide full of tips and inspiration to help you create an army as individual as you are.

• Two new theme forces that allow you to create specialized Circle Orboros armies with specific benefits.


Are you ready to tap into the power of the devourer Wurm?

  • ChubToad

    As an old Circle player this book has zero appeal to me. The fact that the information contained within is not up to date or will be obsolete soon enough, and that it doesn’t contain the entire faction, just makes me want it even less.
    If you are new to WMH get the app instead.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      The app does not have detailed faction history.

      The app does not have unit fluff.

      The app does not have amazing artwork.

      The app does not have painting guides.

      • ChubToad

        This is WMH we are talking about. Fluff is non existent. And the little background the setting has can be thoroughly read in 5 minutes in the RPG books.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Pretty sure you are 100% wrong about the fluff, considering I have run long term RPG games set in the world.

          • BClement

            Nah man, the 20+ pages in the front of the command book don’t exist and neither do the blocks of text on every page of every unit in the book…that’s not fluff, it’s uh…tactics help or something. 🙂

            Of all the Hordes Factions, I really like the Circle’s Lore the best. Bring on the Wurm!

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I’ve really gotten into it. I even read the Into the Wild novel and that was pretty good. It’d be nice to get more core novels that don’t center around cygnar, but at least they throw in some characters from other races.

        • bfmusashi

          I think this speaks more to your lack of patience for fluff acquisition than a dearth of fluff availability.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Is there any fluff reasons for the style of armour. Its the only thing that’s really bugged me about the setting.

          • bfmusashi

            It depends on which kind of armor you’re talking about. I’ve assumed the preference for pauldrons comes from a few places but none of it’s been directly stated.
            I know there’s a common fannon Caen has lighter gravity so everyone can be top heavy and guns can be really weird. I think someone did some math and ballistics work if muzzle speeds are low and gravity is low. I wish I could link it, but it may be forever lost now the forums are getting ‘redesigned.’
            Pauldrons may also be due to the cultural preference for slashing weapons in ‘civilized’ cultures. The caspian battle blade has been a popular weapon since the founding of modern western Immorese society and it actively discourages thrusting. So, giant pauldrons to keep the head on.
            The specific reason Circle warbeasts have armor is to mark them as trained Circle beasts. The markings are derived from the same formula that appear when they cast their tradition of magic.

          • Jay DeJarnett

            I agree. I’ve seen the local gaming store get into Iron Kingdoms Fluff discussions the last 6 months like we do with 40K fluff.

          • ZeeLobby

            Lol. Think there may be some bias in his statement.

          • ChubToad

            Well if you have to go and dig fluff somewhere, using your words, it speaks more to the lack of fluff than the availability of it. And frankly, to the average player, fluff is not even mildly interesting. The moment we are able to play narrative games, I’ll start believing in the fluff. Before that, it has the same importance than the CMD stat. It is there, some use it, but most just ignore it.

          • bfmusashi

            I play narrative games almost exclusively as I like League games. I am curious what your sample size and metric for your conclusion “to the average player, fluff is not even mildly interesting.” Fluff is not required to play any game of make believe, that is why it is called fluff. It’s nice to have but you don’t need it. It does exist though, and in abundance.

          • ChubToad

            Well good for you. Me on the other hand don’t care about such shallow fluff. When I buy a model I look at its status, and don’t even think about its background. No need of a metric, if you feel otherwise then nothing I can say will change your mind.

          • bfmusashi

            Okay, but here’s the thing; you’ve repeatedly offered an opinion without supporting it with factual information. When asked to do so you have insisted you do not need to do so. You are presenting yourself as a stuffed shirt, a person without the integrity or fortitude to support their ideas. That is very sad and you deserve better. If you would like to improve your ability to express an argument or opinion there are resources available online for free. You can not change anyone’s mind if you do not at least try.

          • ChubToad

            I think you are confused, and making judgments on people because they don’t do as you say is actually the sad thing. As you said this is an opinion, and as such I don’t have to inherently present solid facts to support my own opinion. This is not a thorough discussion in the facts that make one opinion right or wrong, this is a forum where you express opinions. You don’t like what I am saying? Then be the first to present real and solid facts to prove my point of view is “wrong”. But don’t come asking for explanations on personal opinions as if you are the sole truth owner. Likewise, doing the exact opposite of the thing that is in discussion doesn’t invalidate the fact. So, if you play narrative games does not mean narrative play is a thing.
            I understand that you find my opinion dumb, and perhaps even offensive. That is why you choose to go on the personal level instead of following your own advice. But instead of taking it personally, as most fanboys like to do, You should be the first person in “supporting your opinion with actual information”.
            Try doing what you profess before asking people to do it for you. That would really improve your ability to express an argument or opinion.

          • bfmusashi

            Well, let’s recap how you’ve presented yourself:
            “Fluff is non existent. And the little background the setting has can be thoroughly read in 5 minutes in the RPG books.” This is contradictory. The first statement is an absolute which is followed by a diminishing statement. Both statements can not be true. It makes the writer a liar or a fool. I take you to be neither which is why this is disappointing.

            “to the average player, fluff is not even mildly interesting. The moment we are able to play narrative games, I’ll start believing in the fluff.” Statements involving an average player require a quantifiable sample size in order to be accurate. There is literally nothing to support your statement and no effort to find supportive facts. We can play narrative games, PP works hard to ensure the option is supported with seasonal leagues. Then you state you simply don’t believe in something that objectively exists (otherwise people wouldn’t know about blackclads and the riplung plague). Why are you proposing things be believed without support and ignoring things that exist? This is not an opinion or an argument but an unreasoned statement.

            “(I) on the other hand don’t care about such shallow fluff.” Again, a subjective insistence that the fluff is insufficient or difficult to find. A fine repetition of theme if it had been expanded on or defined earlier but here it only reminds the reader of deficiencies in the argument. Namely, a lack of consistency, clarity, quantification, or exposition.

            “No need for a metric (to define an average player).” As stated above this is false and an evasion of supporting your own argument. 🙁

            These are some of the reasons I think you have presented yourself poorly and suggested improving your opinion writing. I did not call you names or make this personal. You made your opinion public, you have been judged for it. I don’t pretend to know your age (one of several reasons not to resort to name calling or rudeness), but that’s appropriate for adults and a lesson we actively teach children where I live. I apologize for any undue stress this may have caused you but I hope it drives you toward self improvement as making yourself understood and garnering the respect of your fellows is always worth the effort.

          • ChubToad

            How condescending of you. But once again you fail to follow your own advice, instead trying to dissect my opinions with your personal beliefs. That is fine, if it makes you feel better or correct. The fact is, you didn’t present a solid piece of evidence to actually prove me wrong. But don’t bother, you moved the conversation to another level, trying to preach something you don’t even practice. And actually, doing what you say “it’s appropriate for adults”.

            With all this, I will do the most adult thing in this conversation. I understand where you are coming from. And I respect that. Sadly you don’t, and the worse part is you think you are right. That is great and all, but that is the one thing that does not garner respect from your fellows. Where you go from here it’s up to you.

          • bfmusashi

            I’m afraid I followed my advice very well as I provided a lengthy example where I supported and expanded a previously stated opinion (that you have presented yourself as a stuffed shirt) with facts.
            If you are referring to my response to your initial self-contradictory statement then I suppose you are correct. I did not offer evidence to counter WMH’s simultaneously existent and non-existent fluff. I am not sure how I would have done that. How would you have countered ‘WMH has no fluff, but it has a little bit?’ Is the counter ‘WMH has all the fluff that ever did and ever will exist, but wait it simultaneously only has a lot?’ How are either of those defensible positions?

            Nothing about this makes me feel good or better about myself. This makes me concerned more than anything else.

      • ZeeLobby

        This. This is why I’m buying this book and it has all the appeal to me. Haha.

  • ZeeLobby

    Pretty excited to pick this up.

  • Jonas Skinner

    I bought the book and was disappointed. The book is missing half the units. There are no Tharn to be found anywhere. I was expecting a complete book like the older version. I’m starting to become a bit burned out on PP.