40K: Which Loyalist Primarch is Next?

Which loyal son of the Emperor will be next to make an appearance? Let’s see if we can narrow the field…

When Magnus showed up folks were justifiably excited – he was the first PLASTIC PRIMARCH! On top of that, he was in full Daemon mode – he was a literal game changer. To balance the scales Games Workshop released Roboute Guilliman next as part of a Triumvirate. This was also a milestone release – It showed that GW wasn’t afraid to shake-up the lore and “wake-up” a Loyalist Primarch. Guilliman was never “lost” after-all, he was just napping – the poison didn’t help.

We got a pretty BIG clue as to which Chaos Primarch would be next to show up at Adepticon…

So, in line with what Games Workshop has been doing, let’s see if we can figure out which 40k Loyalist Primarch should come back next.

Leman Russ

Russ is a strong candidate. He’s already got a Forge World Model (just like Guilliman did) and we know he’s technically alive. Space Wolves also have enough character to support their own book independent of the core Space Marine book. But let’s look at this last recorded words:

“In the end I will return. For the final battle. For the Wolf Time.”

That’s pretty ominous! Games Workshop has already said that it’s not the end times for 40k…No, I think it might be too early for Russ to return.


Vulkan is a Perpetual. He went missing during the War of the Beast as he sacrificed himself to destroy a massive Ork Warboss. The thing is, when you’re a Perpetual a little thing like getting atomized in the destruction of a ships reactor might not be enough to keep you out of the fight forever…He has a Forge World model and the Salamanders are a solid chapter choice for Marines. However, Salamanders could also be considered a bit too “vanilla” as in they are part of the “core” Space Marine book. I’m not ruling out Vulkan, I think he’s totally around the 40k Universe – but I think GW might be saving his return for later.

Corvus Corax

Corax is another Primarch who set a course for the Eye of Terror and disappeared. He could still be alive and biding his time to exit from the warp as well. However, I think he’s a weaker choice to return. He’s not exactly a fan favorite…But he does have a FW model. The Raven Guard do have some cool special rules but don’t have their own codex either. Unfortunately for Corax he seems to suffer from both the Russ and Vulkan problems: MIA in the Warp and too vanilla. My money would not be on Corax if this was a betting pool.

Rogal Dorn

Rogal Dorn has been pronounced dead. After an attack on the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege Dorn went missing. The only thing that was recovered was his hand. However, during the War of the Beast Vulkan mentioned to Koorland that he would speak well of the Imperial Fists to his brother Primarch. That leaves some room for a return if there ever was one! Personally, I’d like to see him return with some type of fore-arm cannon a la Megaman. That would be awesome…But he also suffers from the “vanilla problem” and there isn’t even a Forge World model for him yet. It’s not looking good for the Primarch of the Imperial Fists.

Jaghatai Khan

KHAAAAAAAN!!! Oh, hmm…sorry. Jaghatai Khan, Primarch of the White Scars is another one of those “Missing in the Warp” stories. According to one story:

“After the Heresy, Khan went on a crusade to rescue warriors captured by the Dark Eldar. During one battle, it was reported that Khan was sucked into a Warp portal to fight for all eternity. This may be true, but it is more likely that his ship was lost in the Warp, as that region of space was known to be dangerous.”

Folks have theorized that he was captured by the Dark Eldar and has been fighting ever since. Or maybe he was caught in the web way and was trying to fight his way out. What ever happened to Khan, I’m sure someone is feeling his wrath…

I’m not hopeful for Khan right now, even thought White Scars have surged in popularity, I don’t think he’s going to make the next cut. No Forge World model, “vanilla” Marine problem, and he doesn’t have a huge fan base – people like the White Scars for the rules and not the lore. It’s a tough situation for The Khan. I’m not ruling him out entirely, but ya – not looking great.

Lion El’Jonson

Lion El’Jonson is actually my top pick to return next. Why? Because we have a BODY! His currently location is currently “hidden deep within The Rock” and he’s just “resting.” I don’t know what the trigger is to wake him up but I’m betting it has something to do with Cypher – who got pretty darn close to the Emperor…And it’s not like he’s going to be the first Primarch to pull a sleeping beauty. The Dark Angels also have their own codex and unique models in their range. Their lore is just as deep as the Space Wolves and they don’t suffer from the vanilla factor. He doesn’t have a FW model however. Still, I think The Lion is a pretty good option overall.

As for the other Loyalist Primarchs…well, those are fellas are (mostly) dead. Sorry Blood Angels and Iron Hands players.


So who do you think will be the next Loyalist Primarch to return? 

  • Cergorach

    Is that a Walrus on his belly?

  • MrLodgik

    Resurrect Sanguinius !!!

    • allheilstormcrow

      When tyranids lauch a collosal attack on baal sanguinius will return, in tyranid form 😂😂

    • AregonAlmighty

      Keep him dead. He has been established as dead for over 20 years, and if he was resurrected it would show that Games Workshop don´t really care for characters dying in a setting.

  • Solotaire Confinement

    Sanguinius could potentially return……The blood Curse could act to reincarnate a Blood Angel as Sanguinius through the blood drinking?

  • Bradley Macduff

    honestly its probably sanguinus hes the closest to the action and events currently playing out. alternatively they could blindside everyone and do ferrus manus which we assume is dead, but its possible manus might return from the grave or potentially a clone of him from the emperors children will escape. fulgrim might use this as a way of corrupting roboute even and have it backfire because manus simply would refuse to work for him. indirectly or otherwise

    • william timonen

      And we dont assume that the guy hit by perpetual-killing powers is dead!?

    • Jared van Kell

      Sanguinius being resurrected by Yvrainne just before the Tyranids manage to get their claws, talons and tentacles on his corpse is something I have suspected might happen.

      • Brad Parks

        If that was an option why wouldn’t she have done that first instead of Guilliman?

        • georgelabour

          Because she was jealous of his pretty pretty man hair.

          She’s still a petty eldar after all.

      • Keith Wilson

        eldar arent going to resurrect any more primarchs

      • grim

        you need a body to resurrect. Hes been dead for 10K years. If Sanguinius comes back it that would be a huge stain on the 40K universe and the writers.

        • Jared van Kell

          His body is held in stasis on Baal.

  • ikari_kun2002

    I don’t want to see Sanguinius return; his martyrdom is too awesome and central to be cheapened that way.
    I wouldn’t mind the Lion, and I agree that he’s likely.
    Something that would be nice would be a Sanguinius-themed terrain piece, since he’s supposed to be the most popular and beloved saint in the Empire.

  • mgdavey

    “Yo Dawg we heard you like Lions, so we made your Lion out of a Lion so now you can be a Lion who’s a Lion!”

    • Pascalnz

      I think you’re lion about that

  • Byungwook Kim


    • william timonen

      Then I want Frankenstein Bat-Curze.

      • georgelabour

        Why not head in a jar Konrad? With little bat wings that help him flutter around places.

  • BigGrim

    I reckon Russ is a possible front runner. The return of the Wulfen/13th Great Company is supposed to be a herald of his return if I remember correctly.

  • allheilstormcrow

    To be honet given what they said when they bought out guilliman i doubt we will see anymore in 40k

    • ikari_kun2002

      Ah, but they used to say “no playable Primarchs ever”. You can’t rely on that stuff.
      To wishlist for a moment: Lion El’Jonson, Leman Russ, and no one else (beyond the one we have). To be combined with harsher alliance rules for the Armies of the Imperium.
      It just wouldn’t be right for the Empire to have as many surviving supermonster Primarchs as Chaos.

      • allheilstormcrow

        I agree, and its about time dark angels got at least something out of their codex. I really want lion to come. And yes screw allies

        • UltimateCrimson15

          Forgive me for asking, but what did they say when they brought out guilliman?

          • allheilstormcrow

            How others wouldnt be appropriate for the current imperium, it was more about why bobby was first. Still

        • ikari_kun2002

          I actually like allies, but they ought to be penalized more heavily than they are.

  • OptimusDerf

    My money is on The Lion too. It’s too convenient with Cypher coming in and starting to fulfill the prophesy.

    • amaximus167

      Right, and also the Lion and Guilliman have tension. So that could be interesting!

    • Shawn

      What prophesy?

      • OptimusDerf

        “The final distinguishing feature of Cypher is his sword. It is a mysterious weapon that he has never been seen to draw on the battlefield, though rumours surround it: it is an artifacts of the Dark Angels; it is the Lion Sword; it is broken; Cypher seeks to reforge it and present it to the Emperor of Mankind, obtaining absolution and forgiveness.”

        It’s assumed that when the sword is given to the emperor, or makes its way to the Rock, Johnson will wake up and stumble out of whatever alcove he’s napping in.

        • Shawn

          Ahh, interesting. I always thought it would be cool to find out that Cypher is the lion but his powers are reduced becuase they are locked in the sword and he needs the Emperor’s psyhic mind to unlock it.

        • Kevin Langmuir

          Considering that Cypher just tried to get an audience with the Emperor, does that mean he has had it reforged? Who reforged it? Guilliman recognised the sword and what it meant for Cypher to posses it. I think the Lion will be next, and he may not be as loyal as one would think.

          • Guilliman recognized it because he was the one that broke it.

          • Jared van Kell

            Indeed. And he was not about to let that sword go anywhere near the Emperor.

  • Agree Lion is the obvious choice to be next. But after that… I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a ‘good daemon prince Sanguinius’ that is like, Dante, possessed by the Sanguinor and something to do with Mephiston so that they can basically make a primarch Sanguinius-equivalent.

    Aside from that, if they ever wanted to bring Ferrus Manus back I’m sure they could find some cyborg/machine consciousness/saved a backup on USB/adeptus mechanicus angle to it.

    • Bakvrad

      For the last part:
      If Gw hasn’t thought about that yet and reads this, every production so far gets delayed for this idea 😀
      Ok this would be to much, but I guess it fits ferrus. His soul is saved on a floppy, that’s why fulgrim couldn’t achieve anything with his clones 😀

      • euansmith

        “The vast, benighted chamber contained naught but box upon box of ancient punch-cards and, on the first box was inscribed, “Ferrus Manus Cerebral Recovery Protocol: 1 of 9999″.”

        • Jared van Kell

          With “Windows Vista required” inscribed on every one of them.

  • amaximus167

    Lion or Russ would make an interesting choice.

    Russ would show up to Fenris in complete Chaos. Also, Guiliman mentions several times that he doesn’t really feel super psyched about the Wolf.

    Lion and Guilliman could continue the Imperium Secondus tension fro the HH novels.

  • Lord Elpus

    Can’t be Lionel, that would be another chaos primarch.

  • The biggest problem with the Lion coming back is that it alters the “Unforgiven” dynamic that is central to the Dark Angels fluff. It’s going to be a real challenge to have him come back and keep the status quo.

    • SilentPony

      …that’s the point. To change the status quo. And just imagine how furious Lion would be when he learns how untrustworthy and dishonorable the Dark Angels have become.
      Abandoning entire worlds just to chance a whisper of a rumor of a hint of a shadow of one Fallen.
      Wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson just orders the entire Chapter to kill themselves so he can rebuild them.

      • Johnson has always been shown as being cagey and a bit enigmatic. I don’t think he’d be that bothered by the cover up, but his return would overshadow or negate the Fallen’s transgressions. So would he be shown as being so petty as to continue giving priority the hunt for a handful of surviving traitors? I don’t think that GW will want to change the entire structure of the chapter, which is built to hunt the fallen.
        I could be wrong, but I expected the reaction you predicted when Guilliman saw what had been going on the last 10k years. Instead he took it in stride.

        • UltimateCrimson15

          Well there is always the chance of a major plotline that could resolve the Fallen conflict, but idk.

      • Andrew Sebastian Suryali Tung

        Lion is more likely to summon the Inner Circle, congratulate his sons for being crafty little angels, then summon all 150k Unforgiven to reunite into the first Legion. Guess what boys? You’re more unforgiven than ever now! And come bring my sword, baby Cypher.

        Then he’ll tell a protesting Guilliman to shove his codex up his blue behind.

  • SilentPony

    Its gonna be Ferrus Manus, interred in a sarcophagus that’s itself installed into a Imperator Titan.

    • Shawn

      That would be a bit much. As much as i like Ferrus Manus and want him to return, I can’t afford an Imperator Titan, let alone any other vehicle/tank form Forge World.

    • Andrew Sebastian Suryali Tung

      Titan? What Titan? Can’t you see I’m just a regular dreadnought?

      • euansmith


  • Rajak

    A Forge World model does not seem to be a factor. Magnus did not have a FW model upon his release and is only now getting one.

  • Luca Lacchini

    The Lion and Russ are the most probable. Not really interested in any of them, tough.

    Khan and Corax would be interesting, and complement Guilliman in some unexpected ways. Fast guerrillas alongside more ordered troops? Yes, please.

    I root for Dorn, but I recognize hes’ very low on the list… and give him an augmetic hand (literal Imperial Fist!), instead of some videogame joke.

    Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius are dead and should stay that way, as their tragic ends have too much simbolic weight in the history of the Imperium.

    • bobrunnicles

      At last SOMEONE mentioned Dorn! Thank the Emperor!

  • Davis Centis

    The biggest problem with returning a second loyalist primarch is that it instantly creates another power struggle. We’re used to Chaos forces not getting along, so more Chaos primarchs are totally fine, but the loyalist ones NEED to get along. For this reason, the next Loyalist primarch needs to be someone who will fall in line behind Gulliman instantly and only be there to support him in this new question. Someone who can question him without dividing people.

    Leman Russ is that Primarch. He’s hot headed, but if Gulliman is the brains of the Imperium, then Leman Russ is its heart. Leman Russ would give a huge hug to his brother, and know that Gulliman’s got the big picture of stuff. Russ would only ask where to be sent to be the most effective and true warrior that he can be. He’d rally the Space Wolves and go screaming into the enemy, a great boon to the Imperial side.

    Besides, we don’t know if The Wolf Time is the End Times, or perhaps just the end for the Space Wolves/Leman Russ himself. He’d be a great Primarch to bring back in order to kill again too.

    • Brad Parks

      I think we need a loyalist to come back who vehemently disagrees with Guilliman and his “vision” of the Imperium. There needs to be some means to break up the banks, as it were and two loyalists who disagree seems like a great place to start. To that end I also think Russ is a great choice for that person.

  • Ravingbantha

    I hope they don’t bring back any more loyalist Primarchs, the first one was understandable. Too many loyal ones escalates things too much, bring them all back, then every army is going to need some ‘god’ character. Leaving the loyalist Primarchs out, gives a sense that there is ‘still more to come’

    • Deathwing

      Primarchs sell models and open up new avenues to take the fluff to sell novels and video games. GW has been desperate to right the ship after the age of near cataclysmic disaster that was the Tom Kirby CEOship.

      • Ravingbantha

        Models sell models, they’ve had no troubles selling models before the Primarchs started coming out, and there’s no need to go this route. You can has cataclysmic disaster without ‘god units’ everywhere.

  • Dirheim

    The four core loyal Primarchs have always been Guillimam, Lionel ElJohnson, Sanguinous and Leman Russ, all the others are side characters. The most probable one will be Lionel, and most probably we will get too a resurrected Sanguinius to form a new Second Empire

    • Deathwing

      Ill counter with Dorn had a much more important part to play than the Lion or Russ in the greater fluff of things. Rules wise sure you just hit the main 4 brands of space marine, but remember the other primarchs have had HUGE amounts of data filled in by the HH novels and the primarchs series.

  • Rafał Pytlak

    “Don’t you talk smack about my Golden Hawk Boy!”

  • Old zogwort


    • Ty Hayden

      Problem is, he wouldn’t be a big guy like Rowboat Girlyman, he would just be a box of generic Alpha Legionaries

      • IntoTheMoshpit

        Or something like a token that you can put on any legionaire and then transfer to another one if the first one dies

  • Talos2

    The lion is awake according to the last da codex. Money is on him, though not sure he’ll look like a wfb chaos warrior as in that picture

    • Wait what!? He’s awake!? Seriously!?

      • Talos2

        Yeah, it’s just a small brief account, but it’s what it said

  • Sonic tooth

    am i the only corax fan?!

    • Deathwing

      no, but lets wait and see. Corax has always been the master of stealth. hes just as likely to wrathslip out of the shadows right next to grandaddy smurf on terra at any moment as he is to pop out of the eot

  • Deathwing

    Magnus did not have a model from FW before his daemon prince model was released either.
    I actually would prefer the Khan over the Lion. It would be very fluffy if Mortarion is coming back for the Khan to counter (if you have read the HH series)

    • Erber

      Unlikely since the perfect counter for Magnus would have been Russ, instead we got Guilliman. So I think gw intends to shake things up. The next loyalist primarch is likely Lion El’Jonson from all I’ve heard.

  • Guo Yunzhi

    Rogal Dorn is missing a hand. The primarch of the Imperial FISTS. Missing a HAND.

    “I would like to replace it with a mega man like cannon that would be coool.”
    -Adam Harry

    • Deathwing

      Hes a primarch. Lorgar got burnt to a crisp and healed in a couple of days. pre demon Fulgrim actually had a leg chopped off BY HIS OWN legion commanders and just grew the dam thing back. Dorn is out there somewhere, most likely with 2 fully functional and in tact hands.

  • Deathwing

    Lets also remember that the blood angels have called out all their successor chapters for help as hive fleet leviathan now considers them a rival predator and is moving to turn baal into its next meal. What does a Tyranid hive tyrant spawned from dead flying primarch DNA look like?

    • Andrew Sebastian Suryali Tung


  • eldannardo

    Bring back Russ and the Lion. Would make for an interesting tension with Girlyman playing Dad to two squabbling kids 🙂

  • pokemastercube .

    sanguinius has more of a chance to return then ferrus, as the blood angels have all of him, so they are a HEAD of the iron hands (sorry bad pun). and becides what is stopping the eldar trimuvite ressurecting him, or the mechanicus dusting off some tech that could do something like the new armour guiliman has

    • Shawn

      I have it figured out already. You see, when Fulgrim beheaded him, Manus’ essence was sucked into Forgebreaker. As the weapon manifested some sort of machine spirit and was attuned to Ferrus, it saved him at the last minute. Oh, and his body is being regrown in the hidden depths of Mars. When the body and and the weapon are ruinited, Ferrus will whole and then seek to wage war against the Emperor’s Children.

      • Simon Bates

        I think it would be pretty cool if they could bring him back as some sort of dreadnought/knight. Would be an opportunity for a cool big centre-piece, and suitably fluffy for the Iron Hands legion.

  • Jared van Kell

    I heard a while back that the next “Loyalist” Primarch was the Lion. The forces of Chaos attack the Rock and during the fighting Cypher returns to use the Lion Sword to open the seal on the chamber containing Lion El’Jonson’s stasis casket. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen, so add salt to taste.

    • Shawn

      Hmmm, interesting. Any idea then why Cypher would want a meet and greet with the Emperor then?

      • Jared van Kell

        I believe the Lion Sword is the key to the chamber containing Lion El’Jonson’s stasis casket in the same way the Sword of Secrets is the key to the chamber holding Luther’s casket. The problem is that the sword is broken and the only person capable of fixing it is the Emperor himself.

  • Shawn

    Suffers from the vanilla problem? And what exact is wrong with space marines that follow the Codex Astartes?

    • ikari_kun2002

      They don’t easily support their own model ranges.

    • Brad Parks

      I think the idea being that Guilliman is a vanilla codex Primarch and maybe in the same way they seem to be rotating Chaos and Loyalist Primarchs they can rotate vanilla and legion specific codex Primarchs.

    • Nothing, but it makes more commercial sense for GW to have greater differentiation, and the non-standard codex chapters are more likely to be in conflict with Guilliman which creates a wider range of story telling opportunities. Say Dorn came back. Fists are 99% yellow ultramarines, so what benefit would that really give anyone?

  • Marco Marantz

    Bringing back dead or missing Primarchs is just lame…its like the plot of those inane soap operas. The Lion makes sense and Cyphers recent involvement certainly sets that up. Not sure we are at the ‘final battle’ yet for Russ to return…a bit later when all the chaos primarchs are out and Abaddon is picking up steam….

    • ikari_kun2002

      I agree about the dead (especially Sanguinius), but why not bring back the missing? As for the rest of your remarks, I both agree with you and predict that this is what will actually happen. The next Primarch will be Mortarion, then El’Jonson, then Fulgrim, then Russ, then Angron.
      Edit: Of course, Mortarion is an easy guess.

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      They got away with it in AoS so why not pull it on 40K 🙁

  • Kevin Langmuir

    I am going to go a little left field, what about a Loyalist Horus? We know from the fluff that he was cloned by Fabius Bile, Abaddon killed them but maybe one survived and resisted the lure of Chaos. A wild idea, I know.

  • Francisco Guerra

    My money would be on Sanguinius.

    We know where his body is, GW has been setting up the Blood Angels for something BIG, and the whole “Guilliman had to die before being brought back to life” thing opens a very convenient doorway for his return.

  • piglette

    Bring back Ferrus as a head in a jar. Let him take different robotic bodies as wargear purchases.

  • Mud_Duck

    Which loyal Primarch is next? Easy; Horus. We know that Bile has cloned Horus once, why not again? But Abby destroyed the clones and Horus’s body, right? Nope, He’s using Horus’ skull as a wine cup, ala a line in one of the short stories in ‘Fall of Cadia’. So the DNA is still floating around, and something tells my the Bile is smart/paranoid enough to have locked some up off site.

    So, the story goes something like this, Bile clones Horus again, the clone gains the memories/ soul of Horus, realizes that Chaos wasn’t the right way to go about things and return to Terra to beg the Emperor’s forgiveness. Big E gives it, Rowboat doesn’t like it or trust him, Celestine is willing to help him back into the ‘light’, and Abby is looking to finish him off once and for all.

    • Brad Parks

      Didn’t the emperor utterly destroy Horus’ soul?

    • Sonic tooth

      no one would support him. absolutely no one. its a cool idea but a stretch too far. (again, realy cool idea tho!)

    • Erber

      That would suck, gw should never ever bring Horus back since it cheapens the final events of the Horus heresy immensely.

  • ChubToad

    I always thought the Sanguinor has some kind of purpose. So in that regard, I hope against hope that Sanguinius will return eventually.

  • spla5hmummy

    It doesn’t matter that some primarchs are dead. I have it from a reliable source who wishes to remain anonymous for legal reasons that ALL the primarchs are coming back. I wouldn’t be surprised if a dead one is next, just to set the stage for others.

    • ikari_kun2002

      I hope that is not true; also I don’t believe it. I regard it as being as trustworthy as the old rumors of an Alienhunters Codex – possibly a real plan, but overwhelmingly likely to be overtaken by policy shifts and/or events.

  • georgelabour

    Considering events hinted at in the gathering storm books, and Wrath of Magnus my money is on these three in this order.

    1: Russ : more wolf wolfing wolves to wolf towards wolf time! Now with more Corgi.

    2) Lyin ol’ jones: Just based on some of the things the Changeling sees, and encounters during the novel and campaign book.

    3) Sanguinus: Honestly going to be super dissapointed if they were this dumber but people like pretty shiny angels who can pull off the Sephiroth look….

    If it’s anything besides those three (or a traitor) I’ll be honestly surprised.

  • Omnia Incendent

    From a sales point of view why not put khan/vulkan in the post 8th release, SM codex?

    -Okay, okay, I’m just grasping at straws because I’m biased.

  • DJ860

    All interesting but the argument against many of these seems to be “doesn’t have a standalone codex” or “doesn’t have a FW model”.

    Magnus didn’t have a FW model and Bobby G belongs to a chapter without their own codex so quite literally, the only two current plastic primarchs both break the arguments.

    Additionally, if you could make mention of when you’re about to spoil Black Library books by dropping in key plot points in an article, that would be helpful.

  • I like the idea of exploring different paths alternate universes almost, like the Dornian Heresy. Too many people here complain about the “gimick” of moving the story on. You don’t like where the Story goes fine just play on from the last time you did like it. People should be free to explore the universe and make it up as they see fit. GW keeps the “Main” universe players can make their own. I see no problem with that. You don’t want Primarchs? fine in your universe they’re all dead.

  • SaintofColchis

    My store manager said leman russ would return as some sort of wulfen and sanguinius will return with black winggs possessed almost by the black rage

  • Keith Wilson

    Khan is a little too much “Ming the Merciless” for my tastes

    • Because he has a mongol moustache?

  • Grand_Master_Raziel

    The Dark Angels have been the neglected loyalist faction in 30K, which I don’t get, because it’s leaving money on the table. That, to my mind, makes me think Lion El’Jonson is the most likely next loyalist Primarch to return. It’d be picking up that money. That, and the lore has him the most ready to come back.

  • Tim Lester

    There are rumors/leaks that say a loyalist chapter/legion will turn traitor and a traitor legion will become loyal. Alpharius might be the next loyalist primarch (the cabals plan didnt work and now the AL has infiltrated chaos enough to strike a blow from within) and then the lion might be the next traitor primarch (although i dont think he will be allied with chaos just not allied with guilliman, especially after Guilliman was running around with the fallen). Thats my theory. Especially after seeing the chaos space marine in the gathering storm 3 trailer. Thought it might be a fallen but the fallen “kit” and artwork in the book contains no chaos traits just old pattern armor and dark angels bits.

  • AregonAlmighty

    Jaghatai Khan. Vanilla.

    Right ok I am realyl not sure if you know what vanilla means, but personal opinions, I guess.

    • He means, uses standard codex SM rulebook. As opposed to DA/SW/BA/GK who have their own books.

  • Adam Wright
  • Vulkan didn’t just get atomized by a reactor, but pitched his very soul against the Waaagh energy of the Beast(s). There’s a case to be made for his sacrifice being final.
    Heck, the entire book sets Vulkan up as wanting an end to it all and going into battle knowing that this will be the last for him, finally.