40K RUMORS: 8th Ed Launch Date & Starter Set Details

It’s clear that Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition is coming down the tracks. One rumormonger chimes in with the latest rumor nugget.

The big question everyone wants to know is WHEN WHEN WHEN?  GW is ramping up their own daily news for the new edition and in general they have given this level of attention of products that are only a handful of weeks away. A safe estimate would be when GW has normally launched past editions, in the May-June timeframe right around their fiscal year changerover (May 31).

With that in mind take a look at the latest rumor from spain:

 

via Sergio Muñoz 4-27-2017

Original Rumor (Spanish)

“Warhammer 40k 8º entra en prepedido el 3 de junio y sale a la venta el 17 de junio,la caja para dos jugadores tipica de todas las ediciones serán ultramarines (los nuevos reescalados) vs death guard.
Tenemos tiempo para ahorrar XD”

English Translation

“Warhammer 40k 8th pre-orders go live on June 3 and goes on retail sale on June 17, the starter box for two players typical of all editions will be Ultramarines (new rescheduling) vs Death Guard.
We have time to save XD”

~It looks like the Death Guard may be coming sooner than we thought. 

  • Shawn

    new rescheduling? You mean they pushed back the release date for the starter set?

    • ironcurtin57

      No the translation is off, reescalados translates to re-scaling I believe. If so, these will be the new “true-scale” marines that have been rumored

      • SWISSchris

        This seems to make the most sense. I’m interested from a fluff perspective to know if they’ll be deemed mk ix

      • Shawn

        Okay, thanks. I studied spanish, but not familiar with the verb. I’ll run the thing through Google Translate and see what I get.

        • DC

          Hey, a Spanish here! Indeed, Google messed it a little. Reescalar refers to change the scale of something (a miniature in this case). So yes, it means that the minis on the box have a new scale, the true scale I suppose. BTW, the Ultramarines/Overseas thing is weird too.

          • Haha. “A Spanish here!”. That made me laugh. Thanks for being a Spanish.

          • DC

            Well, I always wanted to be swedish or norwegian… More cooler and manly. But I found myself being spanish since a very young age.

          • Shawn

            Muchas Gracias, DC.

      • kingcobra668

        I’m curious if the DG marines will be larger or current size

        • euansmith

          That is an interesting question. If they are “true-scale” I guess it will be a sign that normal marines will be phased out rather than it just being that Guilliman’s Übermarines are bigger than the average post-human super-soldier.

          • Shawn

            Larger marines would be easier to put together I am thinking, but why bother? They’ve got all the molds for all the whole line already. Seems like a needless waste to me. Unless, the sales of marines has somehow diminished significantly. I won’t be happy if the true scale becomes the standard.

          • euansmith

            I think that these bigger marines might allow GW to have their cake and eat it. They don’t directly invalidate their older brethren, any more than other waves of new marines did; but they are probably going to tempt people to update their armies when they get the opportunity.

            I just hope that Marines live up to their fluff on the tabletop 😉

          • Shawn

            that’s my main concern, yeah.

    • Bryan Ruhe

      The initial bad translation also said that the starter would be “Overseas (new rescheduling) vs Death Guard.” “Over” from “Ultra” and “Seas” from “Marines.”

      • Heinz Fiction

        That is a really cute mistake!

      • SilentPony

        The Overseas Chapter! The most mysterious and brutal Marines in Imperial history!

        • Mr.Gold

          well, they are blue…

          • SilentPony

            And they are over there…

          • Theodosius

            The Overseas Chapter are clogging our healthcare and education systems and causing the housing shortage…OUT MEANS OUT!

          • Sonic tooth

            they’re takin our jobs!!!!

      • dave long island

        lol…

      • carlisimo

        Online translators are dangerous.
        But it’s no coincidence that Ultramar means “beyond the sea,” the old term for “off the map.”

        • DC

          Ultramar is the spanish word in desuse for more than a century to speak about America (when we have colonies there) and other lands far from Old Europe In fact, there are shops here that are still called ”Ultramarinos”, that usually sell a mixture of imported products.

  • Bryan Ruhe

    No, bad translation. The original text was Spanish. Should say (new re-scaling).

    • I’m spanish, and yes, that’s the meaning 🙂

      • Shawn

        Thanks. Probably poor spelling. Spanish Dict couldn’t find BoLS’s version.

  • gordonshumway

    Bleh, Ultramarines. Boring, boring, boring. Was hoping for better than this.

    • SilentPony

      Well…Matt Ward, so…

      • gordonshumway

        Yeah I mean, fair. But I coulda swore during the Q&A they said something about the box set having exciting new minis. I mean I guess these will be new…but exciting they are definitely not.

        • SilentPony

          Well below people are saying its been mistranslated. They’re re-scaled Ultramarines, so maybe tru-scale?

          Although those DG models don’t look it.

          Oh god, they better not put them on new sized bases!

          • gordonshumway

            Yeah I mean bigger Space Marines doesn’t do it for me as “exciting” and while technically new…they are still just Space Marines. Oh well. They did also say 8th will launch with a “new” army…so maybe we still have that to look forward to.

            Edit: Also lol at the new bases comment. But I would not put it past them.

          • SilentPony

            The rumor I heard is Guilliman ordered than Mechanicus snail dude to make ‘new’ space marines. Not just new chapters, a new breed, maybe from ancient Legion genestock from all 20 legions, maybe brand new geneseed.
            But Neo-Space Marines are what I heard is the new army.

          • gordonshumway

            That would be TRULY disappointing.

          • SilentPony

            I’m on the fence. If the new Marines are made from Death Guard geneseed, that’d be interesting.
            Functionally loyalist Death Guard vs traitor Death Guard is kinda’ interesting.

            Would have been better as Nids vs plastic Sisters, but oh well…

          • NNextremNN

            Why should they make new Death Guards? So that they can turn traitor too?

          • kloosterboer

            I heard this, too. Woot.

          • Maitre Lord Ironfist

            So we made your Space MArinz even more Space MArinz, since we put more Space with Marinz in it into it! Spaciest Space Marinz ev0r!

          • AircoolUK

            Maybe they get Ultraboltguns with AP-1 and are Ultrabetter than normal Space Marines.

            That would be Matt Ward levels of Cruddace!

          • zeno666

            It means more space marines, so thats probably true.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            GWs worst ideas are always the result of marketing imperatives. They killed 7th with their formations, a blatent tool to sell minis that unbalanced the game. Now some bright spark has thought bigger marines will invalidate people’s existing collections or force players to buy a whole new line to compete.

            Its a terrible fluff idea, and will look really weird on the table, but same old GW.

          • euansmith

            I’m kind of looking forward to these new marines (even though I own regular marines), as the models in the “leaked” photo looked better proportioned than the current weirdly formed creatures.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Changing your succesful aesthetic for commercial reasons hasn’t worked out well for lots of companies in the past.

          • euansmith

            AoS seems to have done okay for itself. Also I’m reminded of when the RTB01 box of plastic space marines came out and I was over joyed at the new product. This isn’t as big a jump as going from white metal to plastic, but I’m looking forward to seeing the new kits.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I only rarely saw it played at my last club, people switched to 9th. I haven’t seen it at all at my new club, just 40K and Blood Bowl at the moment. I’m sure my experience isn’t typical though. The

            I think some of its success is due to the people who play it having to buy everything from scratch, whereas WHFB was well played but people rarely bought anything new due to GW’s neglect of the game.

            According to ICV2 (Fall 2016 figures) AoS is behind Warmachine and X-Wing.

          • Patriarch

            Yeah, this seems less of a jump than when those plastic beakies started to be phased out by Mark VII armour, which was a big change in the look.

          • euansmith

            Indeed. I like that they appear to be coming up with a fluffy reason for Big Marines; even if it is, “A Primarch did it!”.

          • shmabadu

            I’m thinking Death Guard will qualify as the new army.

          • SilentPony

            It better not. That’s not ‘new’. Its just separating them from CSM.
            It’d be like if they just put all fortifications into one Codex and called it a new army.

          • Xodis

            If they get enough new models its almost a new army, much like how the 1Ksons release was a “new” army because of all the goodies.

          • I mean, we know Mortarion is coming as well, so I’d fully expect a Thousand Sons-scale new army.

          • Anggul

            If it’s like Thousand Sons and they get a couple of unique units then it’s just as legit as Dark Angels and Blood Angels having their own codex.

          • euansmith

            They have remove templates and so the new minis will be on square bases.

        • Averam

          It’s nice how you can categorically judge something that you haven’t seen.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            We’ve all seen the giant jogging ultras in various photos.

    • piglette

      Ultramarines models can be used for any space marine chapter really. That means that the starter set appeals to almost every newcomer and huge swaths of the existing fan base. I’d be surprised if they ever make a starter set that isn’t marines.

      • SilentPony

        To be fair the Dark Vengeance set is very specifically Dark Angels. So its possible its Ultramarines specifically.

        • Anggul

          I hope they are generic. Dark Vengeance looks nice but it’s terrible as a starter set. They need to gove a reasonably blank canvas for new people to play around with.

          It also doesn’t help that the Crimson Slaughter side is blatantly inferior to the Dark Angels side.

      • gordonshumway

        Yeah I get that. But since the other army (DG) is just new CSMs, it kinda is a bummer to me that the whole box is just marine-type models. It’s a minor gripe but I was hoping for new cool Xenos or something else fun.

        • AircoolUK

          They (GW) did say they were kicking off with the big Imperium vs Chaos face off.

          To begin with, I’ll be quite happy for some of my favourite armies (Deldar, Tau & Dark Angels) to have some new rules to play with so I can field my favourite models (Wyches, Pathfinder & Stealth Suits and Dreadnoughts) without them being under par.

        • euansmith

          Hopefully the Deathguard will get some more Chaos Cultists; a new version of the cool dudes in Dark Vengeance.

    • kingcobra668

      Then paint them differently…

    • NNextremNN

      Like Dark Angels? That won’t fit well into other Chapters? I think it’s good they choose generic marines.

    • Ben_S

      Yes, another Marine vs Chaos (Marine) box is a bit disappointing.

  • SilentPony

    So do you think they’ll actually be ultramarines, as in with the symbols and whatnot on the models, or just genetic tactical squads that you can do up in any color?

    • ZeeLobby

      I’m sure they’ll be unbranded. I mean they’re going to replace the whole range at some point.

      • euansmith

        I guess they could do something along the lines of DV, with snap fit minis in a chapter specific livery, and then reuse the digital assets when they make the proper multipose sprues.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. That’s my assumption.

    • Xodis

      I would expect a mixture. The generic Tac squads will probably be unbranded, but the Captain or whatever HQ character will probably be UM Specific.

  • Crevab

    3 months after being them being shown is “released sooner than we thought”?

    • Massawyrm

      There was a rumor that came in that they were pushed back to September as the 40k POST-8th release. Now it’s rumored that they will be concurrent.

      • Crevab

        Thanks

  • Bellumvinco

    And non of you ask the most obvious question. Ultramarines vs Death Guard! Will we be seeing a Primarch Daemon Prince model for Mortarion very soon?

    • ikari_kun2002

      Define very. Mortarion model has been teased already.

      • MechBattler

        We don’t know for sure that scythe was Mortarion. It could’ve been a generic Deathshroud or Typhus too.

        • Fergie0044

          Or it could be the new resurrected and corrupted Sanguinis! Or Horus! Or anyone really, but most likely Morty-Morty

          • MechBattler

            He stole NIGHTBRINGER’S scythe. Now the star eating terminator god is coming for his fugly @ss.

  • Jared McWilliams

    This is the release for the boxed set, 8th will probably be released digitally before that.

  • ikari_kun2002

    They’d better not be re-scaled. If they have been – wasting all the conversion possibilities of the huge existing marine range – I will never buy another space marine.

    • kloosterboer

      Whereas I will buy more. As if I needed a reason..

    • carlisimo

      Rumors say these will be a group of even-more-special space marines. I guess they’ll be taller and lankier, and just happen to look like a true-scale marine would.

      GW will try to justify having true-scale and smaller heroic-scale marines on the table at the same time while phasing out the old ones over the next decade. Then we’ll be left with a 32mm true-scale game… which will mean even more over-crowding.

  • dave long island

    See the old GW would be quietly raising the prices of Macragge Blue and dirty green Nurgley colors too… lol

    • ZeeLobby

      Eh. No need. They’re about to resell new CSMs and SMs to CSM and SM players, haha.

      • dave long island

        Can’t have too many of ’em. That’s the rub. And GW knows it. Ain’t no such thing as too many minis. It’s one of the immutable truths of life: you don’t tug on superman’s cape. You don’t spit into the wind. You don’t pull the mask off the ol’ Lone Ranger and you don’t have too many minis… lol

        • ikari_kun2002

          I disagree. I take the view that one of the things that makes more minis desirable is synergy with the minis you have – analogous to network effects. That is the applecart that re-scaling would upset.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Thats a very good point. Their release actually diminishes everyone’s existing collections.

          • euansmith

            I was just thinking that, if the new marines are just a head taller than the old ones, they could be intermixed in units to create short and tall marines. There isn’t much height disparity in GW armies.

      • ikari_kun2002

        Many CSM players in particular would jump at the chance to buy CSMs which were the same size but better. Especially because it wouldn’t make their
        (big breath)
        Raptors, Rubricae, Berserkers, Chosen, Terminators, Warpsmiths, Acolytes, Sorcerers, Lords, classic Cult Marines, and classic Legion Marines look titchy.

        • AircoolUK

          The current (and ancient) CSM models always looked too skinny and dumpy. They all have that strange, bow-legged squatting pose that makes them look like their about to crimp off a length.

  • memitchell

    If they re-scale Marines, I will simply stop buying them, and paint the many, many, many unpainted Marines I currently own. Don’t make me do that! BTW, the Prospero Mk III Marines are slightly bigger than their predecessors. Does that count as “re-scaled?” I really want those Death Guard.

    Wow, my resolve lasted for most of one paragraph.

    • ZeeLobby

      LoL. You definitely have dedicated your wallet to GW, that’s for sure, haha.

    • ikari_kun2002

      I really wanted those Death Guard until I heard about the rescaling. Now I want them more tentatively. If the Death Guard are old scale and the Ultramarines are new scale, I’ll probably buy just the Death Guard from a reseller.

    • BloodAngel

      I have a Sh-t ton of painted up plague marines that were nicely converted from CSM. I plan on using the new ones as Sergeants and Champions. That way the size difference is more explainable and makes sense. Remember that basing always can help make up size difference as well.

      • memitchell

        Though it pains me personally to say this…
        Size matters.

    • euansmith

      Spot on. 😀 😀 😀

  • Xodis

    Well I guess I’ll put some baby CSMs with the Daddy CSMs and say the ruinous powers haven’t made them grow full size yet lol.

  • UltimateCrimson15

    Two week preorder period, has that happened before?

  • Sweetcurse

    http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10f62f5f5b2b2060362cdcc647a6332080de969413fb5bebc16ba9a9fb7cf997.jpg

    Judging by this pic they’ve been using to promote it, I’d say the rumor sounds legit. That marine seems to have a Gulliman look and the other half is obviously Nurglish.

    • Sweetcurse

      Also, a new box with completely new and exciting minis ala Stormcast Eternals sounds like it makes sense.

    • Xodis

      While its all probably true, the cynic in me worries that this pic is what caused the rumor in the first place, and it might be completely bogus.

      • Sweetcurse

        There’s that too.

      • BloodAngel

        It very well could be. The picture also looks more 30K legion than 40K.

        • AircoolUK

          That’s Guilleman going back to his roots mon…

  • neshta

    Well, if this is true then I won’t need to save for the starter set! I can’t think of a more boring pairing for it.

  • el_tigre

    Is there any chance at all these bigger marines are just a unit of custodes or something? These rumours always seem so vague I can only imagine most of them come from people who’ve never held a model before.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      They have been clearly visible in some photos, painted as Ultras.

      • Nicholas May

        Yeah, but they could be a new bodyguard for the Blue Farage.

  • mark

    why don’t they just drop all other marine factions and say Ultramarines are only marines? Holy crap, so tired of so much smurf attention.

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      Change that to Dark Angels and you’ve got a plan I will back!

      • Admiral Raptor

        That would make for another traitor vs traitor starter set though. We just had one of those.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          One day I’ll understand why GW went through a phase that they made the DAs seem like traitors and the Smurfs as the best(Spiritual Liege and all that crap) but even after reading HH books and seeing that the Lion and the DAs aren’t traitors people still go on about it. The Night Haunter was right, no matter how the HH ends people will call the DAs traitors.

          • It’s just trolling. Some people get off on being annoying. A lot of those people play 40k. 😉

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            I know, I know. I shouldn’t get annoyed but Matt Ward aside if you read 30K Fluff the Ultras are good, not perfect but good. Back in 40K they are Smurfs who do everything and all marines want to be them. It gets old I guess.

          • I like the Dark Angels because of their flaws. It makes them more relatable. They’ve been dealt a crap hand. For all their “keep their secret at any cost” baggage, they have a really good relationship with the Guard, which most chapters treat as little more than meat shields.

          • Boondox

            I lost interest in the DA when GW changed their power armor to green, made them Native American monks and gave them 10,000 years of baggage and a Grimdark enema to boot. They were my first army in Rogue Trader because they were badasses until GW made them fluffy and ruined the Chapter for me…

          • BrassWitch

            As a soon to be DA player, that knows a -really- commited DA player, the memeing does get old and annoying.

  • Vachones

    If they release new rules snippets every day like they have been doing, that is over a month to get worked up about 8th edition! Talk about a long tease, just give it to us already!

    Although on the plus side everyone will have a pretty good idea of how the game will play by the time it does drop.

    • euansmith

      May it is like those part-work magazines that, “… builds week by week in to a complete new set of rules for 40k.”

      • Thomas

        “First issue, £2.50!*

        *Subsequent issues £10, set comprises 400 issues.”

  • DoctorBored

    I really hope the pictures of the Death Guard we’ve been seeing were NOT from the starter set. If so, they’re probably all snap-fit POS’s that we’ll struggle to get a proper box from. It’d be a real slap in the face to Death Guard players.

    • AircoolUK

      I prefer snap fit ‘cos I hate gluing, and I hate gluing the ‘arms-shoulders-gun’ bit the most (although I do glue snap fit together, and those DV models were stunning).

      • euansmith

        GW does seem to be going more for something more mono-pose with their more recent releases. It is a pain for conversion work, but is great for making up rank and file.

        Most of my marines are the snap-fit ones from Battle for Maccragge (I am a very bad customer in that respect).

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          I actually really liked those 😀 black reach was my favorite terminators, dreadnought and marines 😀

          • euansmith

            Yeah, snap fit is great for rank and file, and they stop me getting over enthusiastic with my poses and ending up with an platoon of Disco Marines.

            My Dreadnoughts are all AoBR, with some spare Venerable weapons off ebay to make them swappable.

  • BloodAngel

    As far as the discussion on possibly being upscaled, I still have 3 generations of terminators laying around and they have been slowly upscaling those. Maybe it will be incrementally subtle.

    • euansmith

      It is caused by the continued expansion of the Universe.

      • Nyyppä

        Science, got to love it!

  • william timonen

    F.ck, this mean the Duath Guard range wont be multi-part…

    • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

      Never know, might do what they did with the Helbrute, i.e.: start out mono-pose, then do a fully posable kit when the new CSM/Death Guard book hits.

      • Nyyppä

        And then there’s the ever popular CSM option that’s called “conversion”.

  • AircoolUK

    30 year anniversary, should have been Crimson Fists!

    • euansmith
      • Strategery.

        slaanesh approves of that hashtag

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          Wow,. just wow….

          • Strategery.

            just the fact that you got the joke makes you a fine candidate for she who thirsts. would you like to know more?

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            No, and I would be fine going from citizen to civilian to keep slaanesh away from me 😀

          • Strategery.

            f***ing lol’d so hard at this response TY

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        All crimsony, VOTE PEDRO (Kantor)!!

  • Sonic tooth

    dont buy space marines so i dont realy care. thought someone had said we were getting starter box with sisters and zenos. now that id buy. ultramarines. boring

  • Honest Kairos

    I more excited about 8th edition than I have been for any other. I don’t know why. It really is a “I have the weirdest boner right now” situation.

  • Rainthezangoose

    Doesn’t new scaled marines threaten to p*ss off alot of people who have spent hundreds if not thousands on the current versions. I mean iv bought like 3 boxes of Calth and Prospero. Half isnt even built yet.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Yep. But when did GW ever care about existing players?

      • As someone who tried to get into the game and failed, when did GW ever care about new players? GW just knows that it’s veteran players have nowhere else to go or they’d probably have gone there already.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          I know from ex GW shop managers that their training was all about selling to new customers, primarily teens.

          • To be fair, existing customers probably get to the store with their minds made up. I can’t really speak knowledgably about GW’s stores though. They never bothered with much of a presence in most of the US. (Something I’m sure the plunge of the Pound has made them regret.)

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Established customers are usually asked what armies they collect so they can show you the newest thing. Fun game was to choose an army that hadn’t been updated for a decade 🙂

      • davepak

        only recently, since kirby go the boot, did they start to realize that in order to keep upselling to their current customers they have to at least acknowledge them

        • Loki Nahat

          Kirbys still head honcho. Look in detail at the board and he’s the main owner 33%

    • euansmith

      I guess it is the same situation that GW faced with WFB; people having large collections and not wanting to buy more. They could create new units, but then the old ones are taking up inventory space.

      The only real option is to prune the ranges and sell new stuff; hoping that old customers will decide to buy in to the new range.

      • davepak

        sort of…
        they keep trying to upsell their current customers – which while is not a bad idea – has a limited lifespan.
        Also it requires a company to listen to existing customers and meet their needs (something historically, gw has only recently started doing).
        What gw needs to do is sell to NEW customers – existing customers can only buy so many products.
        in marketing this is much harder – but has to be done, as over the long run even the most successful companies will lose customers.

        • euansmith

          Indeed, you can practically here GW weeping when folk say, “How dare you change the game! I’ve got 20,000pts of Black Templars!” 😉

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      Don’t buy the new marines then?

      • Mira Bella

        GW does not approve your comment.

    • Vachones

      I’m in the same boat, several boxes of calth marines partially built with the idea of finally building that marine army. But I look at the cool new rubric marines with the upright posture and I look at the calth marines with the dorky squat pose, and I’m tempted to sell it all and buy into the new marines if they look cooler.

      Models get updated all the time, designs evolve. If they ever release aspect warriors I’m all in as the Warp Spiders have aged really poorly in my eyes.

    • Sweetcurse

      Why is this an issue? Look at the old Terminators vs new. Bigger marines would be great. So what if the old ones are smaller now? That’s been happening already anyway.

  • Sishuttleworth

    There’s a suggestion that the set includes a plastic blight drone and nurgle cultists, so might not be all power armour, at least.

  • MarcoT

    They should’ve made guardsmen smaller instead. Boom, instant true-scale game. Making marines bigger means having to redo tons of kits, even including vehicles.

    • No-one Special

      Which all the marine players who make up the majority of the customer base then have to buy = demand!
      It’s not by accident, it’s by design.

      • davepak

        my marines look fine – all on their 25mm bases.
        (yes, the new bases look good – I have to admit – but I have zero plans to remake my army).

  • Admiral Raptor

    Sounds great to me! I love both of these armies! I don’t buy the nu-marines rumor. I figure we’ll just get slightly bigger marines because GW has been upping the size of it’s minis for years. Speaking as someone who runs RTB-01 marines next to the latest plastics, I couldn’t care less.

  • Marco Marantz

    super marines are a really dumb idea.

  • David Leimbach

    If the bigger marines are Guillimans new breed and chaos guys are small, then that makes sense. Still they’d better have a great story to go with their arrival.

    Unless these guys are the space marines counterpart to Ogryns. Huge, but dumb? 😉

    If the whole set is bigger marines… ugh.

    • Reven

      Thunder Warriors! 😀

  • Koen Cambré

    Don’t they usually do big releases near the end of May to still have them in the end of the fiscal year?