BREAKING GW: Big Announcement: 8th Edition & More!

Games Workshop Confirms 8th Edition & has a bunch of cool stuff to go along with it!

Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition is coming and Games Workshop has a new video, new site, and a bunch of FAQs for you!

via Warhammer Community

A brand new edition of Warhammer 40,000 is on the way!

Over the last few months, it’s been pretty clear that something has been coming – we’ve seen the Baal System threatened by the Tyranids, war erupting across the Damocles Gulf, a Daemon Primarch return in the Fenris System and most recently, the events of the Gathering Storm, in which worlds fell, gods were born and a Primarch rose from his 10,000 year slumber.

The new Warhammer 40,000 will see the continuation of these epic events – this is the universe you know and love, but the story of the galaxy is advancing. Be prepared for some major and exciting developments in the story of the Dark Millennium.

This is the game you know, but improved, faster, bloodier and better. The rules team have gone to great lengths to make sure that every unit, weapon, vehicle and character has its role – everything will be useful, and every miniature will have a place in your army.

We know you’ll have questions. Hopefully you’ll find a few answers here, in our FAQ on the new edition.

New Edition FAQ

You can read the full FAQ HERE. Key Points:

  • Your Army is still valid, every model – even Forge World.
  • Same Universe – the story is just moving forward.
  • The Core Rules will be FREE
  • Current Codexes are going to be invalid due to rules changes (sorry folks)
  • Points are still around
  • Rules updated annually (a la Generals Handbook)

New Warhammer 40,000 Website

Games Workshop has put together a brand-new Warhammer 40k website HERE. Currently you can poke around and it looks like it’s designed for an introduction to 40k. But for all you vets out there, we did catch this:

I’d suggest going over and poking around…

There is a new era of 40k on the way! Are you ready for WAR!?

 

Warhammer 40,000 – a new edition approaches!

  • Farseerer

    This is it I guess, the big one. GW has shown that they have been listening to their customers for the last couple of years and now is the chance to show exactly how much they have been.

    The current 40k ruleset is the text equivalent of a Great Unclean One. It’s ugly, logic defying and ponderous and even if you trimmed a significant amount of fat from it, it would still stink horribly.

    The tongue in cheek style and content of the FAQ on the new edition has left me with a big cheesy grin. Only time will tell but free core rules combined with new stats for every model in the game is more than I could ever have dreamed about a year ago, let alone 5 years ago.

    I am trying to temper my expectations because I accept that achieving perfect balance between this many factions and units would be nearly impossible but if the new system gives everything a fighting chance, it could be the start of the golden age of wargaming.

    Here’s hoping that the extremely vocal toxic minority at least play a couple of games before throwing their toys out of the pram or setting fire to their armies.

    • plainoldandrew

      I hope they don’t. The community doesn’t need people like that at all. Let them leave, and wave them off, grinning.

      • SacTownBrian

        Easiest solution is to avoid BoLS because the complainers own the comments here.

        • ZeeLobby

          I think you’re confusing complainers with realists.

          • Farseerer

            The lady doth protest too much, methinks

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha. Hey. I’ll get involved in any conversation and explain my reasoning. Along with many other people here on BoLS. The actually ratio of people who just running around screaming “let GW burn!” is actually very low on this site.

            What I personally despise more than anything else is those who comment simply to complain about other’s complaints. Or those who look down upon a criticism just because it’s a criticism.

          • Farseerer

            The line between complaining about people complaining about people complaining and people complaining about people complaining becomes very fuzzy in my mind.

          • ZeeLobby

            I think anything past the initial complaint with support and conversation is too much. IE. OK. You think my complaint about unit X has zero merit, well discuss WHY you think that, don’t just say “i hate people who complain”. Stuff like that.

          • NNextremNN

            Well there is a difference between in complaining about things that aren’t released yet and criticizing actual known things.

          • ZeeLobby

            Which makes sense. But I’ve already spotted some valid complaints. Invalidating all previous books is a complaint I can understand. Complaining that the full rules aren’t free but only the core rules, I can understand. I don’t think those are all that “crazy” and “insane”. And then you have the people who liked 6th/7th edition who didn’t necessarily want to see the core rules change. I can get their complaints as well.

            None of these are based on things we don’t know. Sure we might LOVE the new game more than any other game we’ve ever played, but we don’t know that either.

          • NNextremNN

            Well some points are fair but you can’t make a new edition with major changes and still keep all the old rules valid. Many people asked for easier and less rules and that is at least what GW promises us now.

            And no one forces them to play the new edition … but it might get harder to find other players if the new edition should get wide acceptance.

          • ZeeLobby

            Right, all I’m saying is that those “many people” who asked for this things doesn’t mean everyone asked for these things.

            Personally I’m all for it, as I really haven’t enjoyed 6th and 7th. Too much bloat, too much imbalance, too many rules glued onto a pretty streamlined 5th edition. Blow it up, and take my books with you! Haha.

            Was just making the comment that just because someone doesn’t agree with a complaint doesn’t mean it’s not valid, or that there aren’t reasons to complain. We’re not all part of one cerebral collective, haha.

          • Zingbaby

            The fact that we have only just the general announcement and you are already worried about your capacity to complain without judgement is kinda nuts – no like seriously nuts.

            Criticism sure; why in the Emperor’s name are you even talking about this now though?

          • ZeeLobby

            Because, I really think criticism is critical in the iterative game development process. If the community who has GW’s ear constantly shouts down others who criticize aspects of the game, it’s possible that positive changes for the game will never be realized. I’m really hoping 8th edition opens these doorways and allows us to help shape the game, rather than waiting to be told how they know it’s done best. Get it?

          • Zingbaby

            OH I get it alright – this community is utterly ridiculous.

            I am quite sure, let’s say, 100% sure, you will have plenty of venues to complain all you want.

            If you are preemptively asking people not to judge you for complaining about your toys that haven’t even been released yet – well that’s just not how any of this works.

          • ZeeLobby

            I can see you warming up your complain-about-compainers-omatic 4000. In sure I’ll see you all over complaining about the complaints. Do them proud!

            (As an aside I have 0 complaints about anything revealed today, in all for all of it, however in sure there will be imbalances, and id hate to see the drowned out by people complaining about complainers).

          • Zingbaby

            A realist would say, this is a game and spending everyday complaining on the internets about said game is pure insanity.

            just sayin…

          • ZeeLobby

            Well it’s a good thing most people don’t spend every day complaining about it here then! You’re saved!

          • Blackmane

            You spent an hour complaining about people not being allowed to complain, so…critical fail roll there.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            I don’t think anyone on the BoLS comment section is an active participant of the real world.

          • Drpx

            “Fine, then! All you whiners just get in the lifeboats and go complain where we can’t hear you on our nice big cruise liner! I’m having fun, and I’m sticking with White Star Line to the bitter end.”

          • SacTownBrian

            That’s not a fantasy world I’m familiar with.

        • Vachones

          The comment section in BOLS is a finely tuned machine at this point, where we can all quickly go meta with our arguments and complain about the complaining of the complainers. Its unfortunate that everything has to be so binary to make a point; either you are a fanboy or a complainer, with no room for nuance in between. In my experience, even the biggest GW fanboy has some things they don’t like while even grumpiest critic of GW deep down wants a reason to play again.

        • Drpx

          Right, you never see this kind of negativity on any of GW’s official pages.

      • Drpx

        Then you look around, and realize the store is empty and there’s only Magic players.

    • ZeeLobby

      I just hope everyone who has a valid criticism isn’t labeled as part of the vocal toxic minority. It seems to happen quite often with GW products.

      • Karru

        They will be. It has always been the case. If you criticise anything, you are nothing more than a power gaming WAAC player and you bring nothing but toxicity into the game. You are not allowed to say anything bad about the game.

        • ZeeLobby

          Haha, yeah… I can dream though right?!

          • Karru

            This is the place where dreams come to die, my friend.

          • ZeeLobby

            Hahaha…. oh… 🙁

        • palaeomerus

          You guys need to toss this “our community” crap down the nearest commode and own your hobby on your own terms as an individual customer or as a fan. You don’t need anyone’s permission or approval for anything. You don’t owe some imperious self appointed community spokesman AKA whiner anything more than very the very basic courtesies we practice in adulthood. It’s not a school lunchroom table the cool crowd can kick you out of, and those who try to treat it like it is are silly self important idiots. You don’t have to confront them with the mundane reality that you own your own hobby now matter how they happen to feel about it, since they will whinge, fume, rant, and posture if you do, but you DO need to be aware of it. They will try to tell you different. You mustn’t let them.

          • kobalt60

            Well that’s just not how the internet works at all

      • Xodis

        It depends on the criticism, we can both agree that the launch of AoS spawned a good bit of whining over the people with actual valid complaints.

        • ZeeLobby

          Maybe? I mean a lot of it was pretty valid. The fluff was pretty poorly written (it’s gotten better). The game had no points, which is just ridiculous. The lack of rules defining bases/measuring points, crazy. I mean there was a lot about the AoS release which was handled pretty poorly. Clearly they felt they needed to scramble to make GH to remedy the issues, so I’d consider AoS an anomaly. I’m assuming they have their crap together better for this.

          • Xodis

            The fluff was brand new, it didnt have 30+ years of good and bad to lean on, that being said it has grown but seemed to plateau.
            I still dont see why you thinkthey scrambled to make the GH when they told us prior to launch that a rulebook was coming.

          • ZeeLobby

            Just fiction literature-wise the writing was pretty bad. I’m not even talking background/setting. I’m talking plot development, connecting with the reader, etc.

            Well, they didn’t approach the comp they used to make the book until 6 months before it’s release. For a company that prides itself on creating content years in advance, it seems like a pretty big scramble to me. At least GH2 shows evidence of internal playtesting and development.

          • Xodis

            Well the initial goal was to create a ruleset without points…not sure how that could have even worked, but its better to go back to the drawing board then release rules that stink. Plus they needed the feedback from the players to know which direction to take the game, as part of the living ruleset they mentioned.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I get all that, and that’s all great. AoS will be in a great place going forward. I never said that was a bad thing. But the release of AoS was not smoothly planned or executed. Just the sheer amount of contradictory or unknown information from GW’s own staff was an indicator of that. That’s all I was saying. It was an anomoly, they’d never blown up a system before and replaced it with 4 pages. I’m sure this time they’ll do better.

          • Xodis

            I completely agree, but it also made sense to use WHFB instead of 40K to be the new gauge for their new direction.

            I honestly believe its because of the AoS launch they got to see what their customers REALLY wanted (and not just what they said they wanted) so now they can have a much better release of their money making system.
            AoS was a pioneer for GW, it had to be somewhat rocky, but I still think the original ideas were great trying to take the game away from the strict ruleset and numbers crunch to a friendly game of war….it just didn’t work with the GW fanbase.

          • ZeeLobby

            Well, they’d neglected WHFB for 10+ years. On top of that they’ve always tested mechanics in WHFB prior to adding them to 40K.

            I mean most of the issue with the AoS release is that they didn’t ask the community at all what it wanted. I personally still don’t wan’t another skirmish fantasy game. And aesthetically I’m just completely disinterested in a high fantasy setting. That said, the main reason it didn’t work is because they swung wildly to the other extreme. OK, here’s a game with a rich ruleset based on ranked combat with tight interactions. BLOW IT UP. Here’s our new game with almost no interactions, limited complexity, and vague rules!

            Like we’ve said, they’ve improved all of that with the GH, but they probably could have been a little smoother with it. I don’t think they deserve a free pass just because it’s the first time they did it. They definitely screwed up, but luckily their internal mentality has had a massive shift since then.

          • Xodis

            Oh dont get me wrong, I dont think they deserve a free pass either, I just dont think it was as horrible as some did. It was just too new and too different for the WHFB fans that had been waiting for a good edition for several years at that point.

          • luke snell

            but that’s the whole thing, it was planned that way and why it took place in such a manner. it’s fine that most didn’t agree with it or that it seemed wonky as hell, but it was deliberate with a purpose. taking such a leap with such huge consequences is usually not unplanned. And AoS is better off because of that, even if it did seem obtuse out of the gate. growth usually is never easy nor feels easy at the start and while it’s taking place.

          • silashand

            AoS was horribly done on release. Only once they realized they actually needed to provide a “game” for people to use their models in (and thus buy their products) did things get better. It is by no means perfect now, but it’s leagues better than it was originally IMO. I have hopes that GW learned something from that experience and 40K won’t have that massive crash that AoS did. Given that I am one of those who does not like 7th at all anymore I have yet to see anything in the rumours that I dislike. But I have been around a long time so know better than to hold my breath. That said, I remain cautiously optimistic.

      • Zingbaby

        Yes my biggest concern with 8th is: I hope I can complain without being labeled a complainer.

        Wow ok.

        • ZeeLobby

          Hmm. Not sure you understand the concept of criticism.

          • Zingbaby

            Hmm says the guy worried about “criticism” before anything has even been released.

            No no, don’t worry it’s totally reasonable to complain about toys and worry about complaining about toys prior to them even being released.

      • Drpx
        • Farseerer

          That might have been too close to the bone for him bud

    • Heinz Fiction

      Sounds good so far. Yet I’m still sceptical until we have all the details.

    • blackbloodshaman

      I haven’t touched gw in two years, I will actually take a look at this. To those people who bought 1000s of dollars worth of codexes, my sincerest condolences

      • Drpx

        While everyone who torrents is laughing their eyepatch-wearing asses off.

      • EmperorOfMankind

        I own nearly every hard cover codex. It really sucks but as an Eldar player I’d like to see things become more fair. If the new system does that I’ll be happy.

        • Moonsaves

          Eh, this is why I like the model of “include model pics and fluff” for codices. I’ve got old edition ones that I still flick through for inspiration and general reading, even though they are long invalid for rules purposes.

      • Talys

        I’ve bought almost every codex/rulebook produced by GW, and the last thing I feel when there’s a new edition is sorry that I bought the ones from the previous edition. Basically, my question just comes down to, “did I get $25/$50/$75/$100 of value from that book?” and if the answer is yes, I’ll keep buying the future ones… and if that answer starts becoming no, then I’ll stop.

        I want my GW books to contain useful rules forever like I want to use my PC, tablet and smartphone forever 🙂

    • Robert Russell

      I got the opposite feeling from their Q&A post. all i got was the stickly sweet and sour taste of AOS, go have a look at what they said before AOS and it mirrors this post. i’m holding my judgment and remaining hopeful until release but i’ve been a fa/tg/uy for too long to trust GW to get things right.

      • Munn

        AoS is pretty great, I hope they AoS the f*** out of 40k. Like it or not Sigmar is just the superior game at this point, ESPECIALLY in tournament play.

  • Krizzab

    http://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/01/Paint-Hero-Banner.jpg

    The universe is changing indeed, Space Marines with Body proportions….

    • Timotheus

      Where is this from?? Very interesting….it seems to be the new rumoured Space Marines. They have different proportions and even different bolters….don’t know if I like it yet….

      • Azrell

        photoshop.

        • Andrew

          Why? What sad strange creature would take the time and effort to painstakingly alter the proportions of all the marine’s bodies and lengthen the bolters slightly?

        • SilentPony

          Sauce?

        • Munn

          There’s a pic on the new site of painting marines that are slightly larger and clearly from a new kit.

    • ZeeLobby

      True scale and accurate bodies! It only took them 30+ years but im all for it! All old SMs will be phased out im sure, but what a great way to get a space Marines player to buy a whole new space Marines army, haha.

    • Hussein Alobaidi

      PLZ CHAOS TOO YES YES ?!?!?!

    • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

      Hah! So that message a month or so ago that “truescale is not on the way” was a lie? I figured it damage control was to not jeopardize existing sales. Given the quality of the photo makes me think that it’s professional versus a fake.

    • NNextremNN

      Looks like have removed this picture from the website.

    • nordsturmking

      Looks like the usual canned food to me ^^. What’s the difference?

      • Ben Martin

        In the fluff, Space Marines are supposed to be massive and incredibly disproportionate. However the current models look nothing like that. People have been wanting ‘Truescale’ marines for ages, and it looks like we’ve finally got them

    • DJ860

      They look awesome, whoever they’re from, real or not.

  • Xodis

    But, But, that 8e talk was all rumors!?!?! lol

    Seriously hope this is a great edition to bring players back together with.

    Side note love that one FaQ: “Did you blow up the world?” lol

    • ZeeLobby

      Lol. Right? Where’s Roughneck constantly defending that 40K is fine and 8th won’t change anything.

      Not that im not for it. Been waiting 2 editions for this.

  • SilentPony

    “Why should I trust you?”

    Because we’re Games Workshop! When have we ever done something stupid that completely ruined an entire game and charged you $100 for it?!

    • ZeeLobby

      Yeah. I’ll be waiting at least 6 months after it drops to purchase anything new.

      • Vachones

        The nice thing is, the rules are free, so perhaps you won’t be waiting as long as you think to buy something new…

        • Karru

          Actually…

          “The core rules for the game will be free, and you’ll have several options on how you get your hands on the full rulebook.”

          • ZeeLobby

            Which is important to note. There will be the 4 page free rules, I’m sure, but to get “advanced” rules or “formations” etc. I’m sure you’ll end up having to buy battletomes or do in app purchases as in AoS.

          • Vachones

            Of course, but it will be more than enough to try the game out and see if you like it, or to help new player learn the game.

          • ZeeLobby

            Oh no doubt. I’m not saying it’s bad. They should have done this years ago. It’s a great thing. Just the whole fallacy of 0 cost rules is something that doesn’t exist in this game (among others).

          • Xodis

            With the addition of point costed formations, really the Battletomes are not needed. Its not an “unfair” advantage as much as its just another tool for your army. We have plenty of AoS players that play and enjoy AoS with zero Battletomes. The required GH is another story, but I’m ok with that.

          • Brian Griffith

            Encouraging a spending pattern without going full-on “pay to win” seems pretty okay with me!

          • ZeeLobby

            Definitely. And I never said it was a horrible thing. Heck I buy rules in other games. It’s just important to point out when “free” isn’t exactly free. Which is true with most businesses.

          • Karru

            My only issue is that they seem to note that the army rules won’t be free. So even if you get your hands on the free rules, you still need to buy the army books. This is not good. They need to release some “examples” of all armies alongside it. Just basic stuff like HQ unit and some basic units. That way one wouldn’t need to invest “at all” into the game before they can try it out and see how it pans out.

          • Spacefrisian

            I hope that a rulesbook with some unit entries (some not all) will be released. They are already copying Rulic Dwarves from Warmachine afterall.

          • Drpx

            Torrent, me hearties, yo-ho!

        • SilentPony

          Where is that? The manager at my GW said he hasn’t heard about free rules.

          • Vachones

            Core rules are free, plus I believe the dataslates will be online. Not all the rules, but enough to give it a spin.

          • Brian Griffith

            They’ve already confirmed that 40k is getting an Age of Sigmar-esque app with a premium subscription to activate the army builder in it.

          • SacTownBrian

            I’m sure it will be just like AoS.

          • NNextremNN

            It said so in the new FAQs

            >How can I get the rules?
            We’re going to make it easier than ever to get your hands on the rules and start playing.
            The core rules for the game will be free, and you’ll have several options on how you get your
            hands on the full rulebook. Watch this space for more.

            https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf

        • ZeeLobby

          Oh. I’m definitely going to still wait. Personally it’s not the rules that turn me away from 40K. I thought the core rules were fine (even though all the last two editions did was shellac complexity on top of rules they didn’t even write). It’s the massive imbalances between factions. And lets be honest here, on day 1 this system is going to be totally imbalanced. What will get me to buy more will be what they’ve done to remedy this within the first 6 months.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            so much that! all the armies IMO LOOK great, but having that gorgeously painted and creepy looking nid army get blasted off the table by tau before making contact was….saddening.

          • Adam Wright

            It was kind of like upgrading your version of Windows. I always waited a year before updating to the new one. Gave them time to try and work out the bugs before I’d load it on my computer lol.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        smart move, on the other hand, I really like SW:A ( of course i loved necromunda) so if this goes all AoS like, I still have that, and I love the smaller forces.

        • ZeeLobby

          Haha. My plan WAS to get SW:A (love necromunda as well) but… yeah. Sold out.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I got mine online, but there are some copies around here in stores. I would say check some off the walls, my buddy bought his at toys r us yesterday.

          • NNextremNN

            I got the last copy from my local independent store today and for much less than for what they sell on ebay.

          • ZeeLobby

            Don’t suppose you want to sell it for a reasonable price? haha.

          • NNextremNN

            Nope sry I wanted to keep that for myself.

  • Luca Lacchini

    Just from the FAQ, I’m positively interested. I just hope to finally give up clumsy edition for something fresh(er).

  • Kostas Pap Gus

    The good thing is that we don’t need to wait for the rules! We just need to grab a copy of the AoS rulebook and we can play the 40K new edition.
    Have fun guys!

    • Vicent Martín Bonet

      Then it turns out to be entirely different and you wasted 2-3 months and become a devout of AoS.

  • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

    Disappointing! I was really hoping for something drastic and exciting regarding Duncan.

    • dave long island

      lol…

  • Vepr

    I am guessing the stats change for nids will equal “Everything bigger than a warrior has the new equivalent of a 3 weapon skill, 6 wounds, and a 4 armor value. Warriors can be killed by most weapons bigger than a bolter with one shot and shadow in the warp still doesn’t do dick and is just a general detriment to your army. Thank you for choosing GW. Signed yours truly Cruddace.”

  • nefu

    All armies valid all army books invalid?

    Oh boy! My body is so ready to have Sisters get squatted!

    Ugh. Good change over all but I’ve been watching the game edge me out for years, so I’m nervous.

    • Mr.Gold

      Here’s hoping that Cult Mech & Skitarii get to be one army now…

    • Sicxpence

      Sisters are listed as a Imperial faction. 🙂

    • Spacefrisian

      Wasn’t long ago they got a paper codex and now it becomes useless, just like the chaos fix.

      The new stuff better be good.

      • Munn

        let’s be very clear, that paper codex was a** absolute unrepentent garbage and losing it means jack d*** to any of those faction. CSM might be sad coming up but imperial agents can’t possibly get worse without no longer existing.

  • ZeeLobby

    Yeah. Anyone who didn’t see current books being invalidated we’re just kidding themselves. It’s why I’ve steered clear of purchases for a year.

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      Already have stacks of obsolete books, waiting as well.

      • Drpx

        If you get on the ball now, you can make a YouTube video burning them and maybe it’ll go viral.

  • memitchell

    Does poor,maligned, neglected, abused Chaos really have a large enough following to man it own Faction?

    • Munn

      Oh look, every chaos player ever. ‘waaaaaaaaaa I only get several months of releases across two systems and the 2 of the top 4 armies in the game(Renegades/Chaos Deamons). They need to release nothing but chaos forever because I WANT THEM TOO’

      • Djbz

        The Chaos space marine complaints stem more from lack of new models for the older units they have (noise marines/obliterators etc) and that every rule update they got was almost immediatly 1uped or given a counter for loyalist marines

        • Prospero 4life

          Where is the one up for the Thousand Sons? Or what will be the one up for the Death Guard army? Chaos players have out of date kits its true but they really need to get over themselves.

          • Djbz

            Well I did say almost.
            Sure some of the complaints about chaos are exagerated quite a bit.
            But there is also blatant favourtism towards the loyalists in many reagards from the rule writers

          • Prospero 4life

            Try being an Ork. Or a Tyranid, or perhaps Astra Militarum, or evenn Dark Eldar excluding ynnari which actually REMOVES most Dark Eldar models. And if loyalist armies are so good why aren’t they top tier armies all the time?

        • Adam Wright

          I thought it stemmed more from the lack of an updated codex. It doesn’t matter how much shiny new paint you slap on a house if the walls are rotting.

      • Drpx

        But it’s all worthless at a tournament! Give me Grav or give me death!

    • GrenAcid

      YES The Pain, YES YES!
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      Do you hear the voices too?

      8ed pls be good, I wanna run my Possesed again with mad laughter like in the old days.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        I miss the days when my khorne berzerkers and my buddies blood claws would rip each other apart in codex cityfight 😀

      • Orthon234

        Lets hope Possessed get a faty movement stat and are on par with Wulfen.

        • Xodis

          Seriously, they need SOMETHING so I can field them again. I have like 4 full squads ready to destroy the Imperium.

  • Mr.Gold

    A couple of things about the new website:

    1. under “Chaos” Death Guard appears to be a separate faction…
    2. Under “Imperium” Adeptus Mechanicus – “The forces of the Tech-Priests comprise all manner of ancient, arcane
    technology; maniples of bionically enhanced Skitarii warriors,
    Dunecrawlers, robots, battle servitors” – AKA one codex…
    3. There does not seem to be a separate “Inquisiton” codex, only Imperial Agents…
    4. “For the Tau, new designs and prototype weapons are constantly in the works, promising an even brighter future”…

  • neshta

    Holy crapcakes…..

    • dave long island

      Yes. Yes, crapcakes indeed.

  • Wtyn

    The revisiting stats and points really helped AOS in making armies which had long been collecting dust in the competitive scene into viable candidates, so hopefully they have learned from that balancing act and can reinvent the meta in 40k. At the very least expecting everything to be much more killable, as it is in AOS..

  • Thatroubleshootah

    I really hope they abandon one side moving, shooting and assaulting while the other side just sits there. That is the one thing that I really don’t like. IGo ugo on a squad basis or random activation would be so much better.

    I like the idea of open play. I have a lot of black Knights and death wing Knights that will see more tablet time. Hopefully this will be a simpler system.

    Ino any case I’m keeping my 7th edition rules and codex in case the community rejects eighth.

    • Munn

      Congrats, You gave me the last space I needed on ‘8th Ed forum bingo!’

      • Thatroubleshootah

        You are most welcome.

      • NNextremNN

        lol and gz

    • Brian Griffith

      In any case I’m keeping my 7th edition rules and codex in case the community rejects eighth.

      I would bet actual money that, even if it’s a stinker, more 40k is more 40k.

      • Adam Wright

        The 7th ed BRB will at least come in handy for Horus Heresy players for a while.

    • Every edition that has ever changed over has had someone say this. And every edition that has ever changed over has resulted in no one ever wanting to play the previous edition save for token old hammer groups.

      • Thatroubleshootah

        Right, but I’m only concerned with the people I play with locally. I don’t go to tournaments.

        • Brian Griffith

          By the look of things, GW is making an effort to give some goodies to the beer and pretzels gamers and the tournament gamers at the same time.

          • Thatroubleshootah

            Right and I’ll probably like 8th better, but in case the people in my local shop don’t ima hedge my bets.

          • Thatroubleshootah

            Having said that if they move to a more modern turn my like random activation I will be immediately sold.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        It took my last club a year to get into 7th.

      • Drpx

        You guys up for some oldschool Rhino Rush? Where did all these crickets come from?

    • Whereas I love playing Apocalypse-sized games where dumping IGO UGO for squad activation would be a nightmare. I think squad activation is great for small, skirmish games. But 40k stopped being a skirmish game during 2nd Edition. Different types of games need different systems. Every game being IGO UGO is bad. Every game being squad activation is also bad. The mix is what makes different games interesting.

  • Vachones

    The specifics on the rules frankly don’t matter as much to me, I’m just excited that they are engaging with the community and enlisting help in writing and refining the ruleset. AOS dropped in a vacuum, when GW had the draw bridges pulled up and before they discovered the internet. 8th edition is being created with input from the community. They don’t need perfect balance, if every year they can update the points/rules with a new generals handbook. This is the closest we get to a “living rulebook.”

    • Brian Griffith

      Regular rebalancing is going to seriously improve the lifespan of 8th edition.

  • Make sure you youtube yourself burning your army. We need more of that.

    • Hawt Dawg

      Ha ha ha…

    • Karru

      I’m actually waiting to see if there will be more people doing that when 40k changes editions. That s*it was hilarious because it was so dumb.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        Yeah, I made great deals getting rid of my warhammer models instead. IF they “AoS” 40k I can repeat the same feat, there will be folks who want the stuff.

        • Karru

          Yeah, I know that even if the next edition ends up being something I don’t enjoy at all, I still would keep my collection. I collected them, I painted them and I will continue to expand it. Even if it just gathers dust in my cabinets, I still like to look at them from time to time.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            there is also the rpg’s to consider, nice having models for that. I am waiting to see if there is another warhammer fantasy rpg coming out (I have the FFG one and love it) but now getting models for it is going to be….dicey.

    • Drpx

      Especially if it’s Sisters or Salamanders.

  • ieyke

    Ynnari look like a new faction for the Eldar? That’s cool, probably.

    Custodes and Sisters of Silence are their own entire factions now.

    I wonder if the release of the Sisters of Battle was held back to be part of 8th edition, and St. Celestine being a major character going into 8th was just a way to reintroduce them in the coming edition.

    Thankfully, it looks like the Skitarii have been eliminated as a standalone faction, and integrated into the Adeptus Mechanicus as they always should’ve been.

    Likewise it appears the Storm Troopers have been thankfully eliminated as a standalone force and almost certainly reintegrated back into the Imperial Guard.

    Inquisition, Officio Assassinorium have been lumped together as Imperial Agents.
    A faction that I hope is vague enough to eventually include stuff like Rogue Traders with awesome alien retinues.
    I’m sure all the Adeptus Arbites, missionaries, priests, and confessors get lumped in here too.

    Hopefully the rules don’t suck.
    The factions at least make more sense now.

    • af

      Fully agreed on reintegrating subfactions back to their main faction: this is a good thing! I never understood why they were split in the first place. Too many factions already in 40K.

      • Emprah

        Yeah. I would even put Imperial Knights into Admech if it was up to me.

      • ieyke

        Yep.

        Instead of giving the Dark Angels weird giant Land Speeders and flyers a couple of editions ago, they should’ve eliminated them as a Codex and rolled them into the main Space Marine Codex.
        There are too many Space Marine factions with their own Codices, and the Dark Angels just weren’t unique enough to justify it until GW went out of their way to give them weird (and hideous) new stuff.
        For a long time the DA’s entire Codex could’ve been just part of the rules for their Special Characters, since they were only slight variants on the basic Codex Marine stuff.

        All those little faction sub-Codices were cool in theory, but just made a huge mess of everything in practice.

    • Testar

      They said that there will be something new for every faction in new edition and I hope that stuff like Inquisition/SoB will finalyy get some love

    • Munn

      New SoB means taking out a credit card for me, not hyperbole, that’ at least a 1000$ day

  • dave long island

    M. Effin. Awesome!!!

  • SacTownBrian

    Yea! I so look forward to useful landraiders and terminators. And here’s hoping chainswords become actual Chainswords. Or Space Marines will need to start buying their gear from the Kharadron instead of the Mechanicum because those guys really know how to make Chainswords.

  • PrehistoricUF0

    Very excited . . .

  • Sicxpence

    There is a lot here to be excited for. Some of it I will need to be convinced on.

    Overall I hoping that I am only not too disappointed,

  • Albert Torras sopena

    Really I like the current edition, at the samr time I love the AoS 8 edition of 40k hope a mixed….

    I don’t undestand the people to scare for the new edition. Traied the new, don’t like great! Vuy now the rules of the 7 edition of 40k and continius play at 7 edition with you group

  • Karru

    And once again the hope slips farther and farther away from me. All books being invalidated is a very, very bad sign. This is for two reasons.

    First of all, that means they changed something big time. Something that actually invalidates the old books. This is huge as it means they changed 40k in a major way. Looking at the GW track record, I do not keep this as a good thing.

    Second of all, getting old players interested. The promise of “cheap” books doesn’t sound appealing when the current Battletomes for AoS costs around the same as a Codex. So now instead of getting to test out the new edition with your old books, you are forced to buy new ones. That will sting players that have multiple armies really, really badly.

    Then you have the promise about the “core rules” being free. Once again, doesn’t bode well. While they say the full rulebook, which does sound like these will be some “quick-start” rules that will be free, I have some major doubts about this. Once again this feels like they have done something that turns 40k into not 40k.

    Also, regarding “listening to feedback”. This begs the question of “what feedback did they listen to”? Did they listen to those with genuine feedback that bring out the core issues of the current system? Instead of them, did they listen to AoS fans that want to play with 40k models instead and thus want to turn 40k in AoS? Again, I am very sceptical.

    • Brian Griffith

      Your definition of “not 40k” seems highly specific and not shared by many.

      • Sicxpence

        Sometimes I wonder whether losing those types of players is a bad thing.

        • Hawt Dawg

          The answer is pretty obvious.

        • Karru

          Yeah, who wants players that actually criticise something that GW does and has valid concerns about their products and design choices? It’s far better to just accept EVERYTHING GW releases with open arms and happy smiles!

          • Sicxpence

            It sounded like criticism to you did it…

      • Karru

        I mean, the setting is already going from grim dark to sparkly miracles and games have gone from meeting engagements to Apocalypse.

        Yeah, not the 40k I knew and loved.

      • ZeeLobby

        got stats for that? That’s a pretty close-minded statement to make without backing it up with some kind of proof. Maybe your definition differs from his and you’re in the minority?

        • Brian Griffith

          Well for starters the post contains an awful lot of erroneous assumptions.

          For example, GW almost certainly isn’t going to make you wait for a new book to play your army, especially after a clean sweep of invalidated codexes. Not the way they did it in 3rd (which printed army lists for everything), and not the way they did it in AoS (which saved space by putting that online, an option they didn’t have in 3rd).

          Beyond that, treating free core rules as “not 40k” just doesn’t really make any sense.

          I mean, I can understand the notion of sunk cost. I have stacks of 40k books going back to 3rd myself that I can’t use in the modern scene. That said, the spending pattern for 8th doesn’t look any different to me than any edition change. If anything, it looks like they’ve taken some measures to mitigate it.

          • ZeeLobby

            touche, that makes sense. I really just globbed on to the last comment he made, and it’s one I heavily agree with. Their feedback loop is just horrendous imo.

          • Karru

            I’m going to have to ask you about the book part. When did I say anything about making people have to wait for their books?

            The FAQ stated that they will have all the army books ready as a “cheap books” right out the gate. Problem was that people would have to buy those as they at any point in the FAQ implied that there would be free army rules available.

            I said that this will hurt those that would like to try the game out before making any real investment. Having to buy the main rulebook AND an army book would most likely cost around 80-100€ just to try it out. This is bad since they are going to be changing the game big time.

          • Koonitz

            Well, since the core rules will be free, and the “cheap books” will be available, all you’ll really have to buy to try the game out would be said “cheap book”.

            Now, if YOU are right, and said “cheap book” is actually the same cost as a Codex, you’re out the cost of a Codex. In the grand scheme of things relating to this hobby, that’s not exactly a lot, since you can likely sell it at that point and recoup a portion of the cost, so you’re out even LESS. As for the rulebook, why buy the rulebook when, if you’re just playtesting the new rules, you can just use the free rules available online? The cost of a new codex (or even less), seems a fair trade for the personal knowledge that you’ve tried it and come to an agreement that it’s not for you.

            Now, if GW’s wording is right, and the army book is, indeed, going to be cheaper, you’re out the significantly reduced cost (remember, core rules are free). Even BETTER than option one of you being right.

            Now, option THREE is if GW does the same thing as AoS and make the core dataslates free. In which case you’re literally out NOTHING but your own time to try the game. Despite not being exactly what GW wrote in their FAQ, it’s a very reasonable possibility that should be considered.

            Option FOUR is waiting for the inevitably available illegal download. Free rules, illegal download, you’re once again out nothing. Find yourself liking it? Then you can invest in the codex.

          • Karru

            All they really have to do, if they don’t go the AoS route and make all units have free dataslates with all rules available but without the point costs, is to give the core rules for free alongside basic units for all factions. Just a basic HQ units and some core units so you can try out the game “properly” would be enough.

            Considering what they have seen with AoS, it is possible that they will give out free dataslates. Giving people a view of all the unit rules for free before purchase is a good way to drive sales.

          • Koonitz

            I agree, and I think them doing the same thing as they did in AoS, with free dataslates for all units, would be fantastic. I’ll still buy the codex, because that’s just who I am (I love the lore and the hobby portion more than the game, to be honest), but having the core unit rules available for free will make it very easy to let the naysayers have a go at it.

    • Xodis

      Its probably going to be exactly like AoS. Core rules for just playing are free and maybe 4-8 pages, then the GH equivalent that most people love will cost and bring about the points/tournament rules those players wanted and some fun stuff for narrative players.

      As for getting old players interested… They stayed around for the worst editions of 40K, why wouldn’t they be open to something better? Also no one is forced to buy the new books. Battletomes are nice, but not required like Codices were.

      • Karru

        About the books and having to purchase them.

        They said that “they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.”

        To me, this implies that they won’t release the army rules for free. This, of course, might not be entirely true and they will go with the AoS route of giving your the rules for the units for free but you have to buy the tomes in order to get the points.

        • Xodis

          You dont need to tomes for the points, you only need the GH equivalent they mentioned. It was already put out that there will be downloadable datasheets.

          • Karru

            It was? Was it somewhere else or did I miss it in the FAQ?

          • Xodis

            It was part of all the other “rumors” that turned out to be completely true. Sure, they might not release the dataslates free while keeping the points cost in the GH, but it would be shooting themselves in the foot.

          • Karru

            It is possible people misinterpreted it when it comes to 40k version of the GHB. They might just release the big rule book that has all the rules and just have the points attached to the “tomes”.

            GW has been known to shoot themselves in the foot. It wouldn’t surprise me if they wanted to increase the sales of their “tomes”.

          • Xodis

            I dont think they really need to do that though to increase sales. The addition of rules for Path of Glory in each Battletome, Battalions/Formations, and (on my wishlist) content for Shadow Wars would be more than enough to get people to buy them in bulk.
            then again you could be right, but GW seems to have a much better understanding of what the fans want then they did 3+ years ago.

  • J Mad

    Now where did they say “8th edition” fyi.

    • NNextremNN

      yeah they just said new who cares 7ed isn’t named 7ed too

  • lee payne

    If people don’t like the new rules then there’s no harm in keeping there codex and old rule book and playing old 40k. Is there?

    • ZeeLobby

      Not one bit. Might be harder to find games, new players, and it’ll eventually struggle and die, but it’s definitely an option.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        basically whats happening to warhammer, or folks go over to total war: warhammer which is a blast.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. I mean unofficially supported rule systems never last all that long. And while I love the concept of 9th age, they’ve already scared some people away with their major revisions. You can’t keep a community going if it never grows, cause people will always leave at some point.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            As gamers we are creatures of habit, we get into our little holes and do our thing so I can imagine this like any other change is going to cause some commotion, just look at D&D 3rd-4th-5th craziness 😀
            Without support games just die, we always want more “plastic crack” and updates (whether we need em or not) so not having that is kinda….off putting.

    • EmperorOfMankind

      Logic n sh!t on the internet?! YOU’LL BURN FOR THIS HERETIC!

  • frankelee

    All your armies are still valid! And if you can impersonate a Japanese school girl your Tau army will receive a nearly unstoppable bonus during play.

    • ZeeLobby

      LoL. I wonder if they’ll even risk putting silly things in for the transition. It got them a lot of crap last time.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        I hope not.

      • Commissar Molotov

        And they deserved every bit of it!

    • Drpx

      Don’t mock my Shadowsun waifu!

  • Bonemaw

    I am soo excited for this 😀 can’t wait for the rules to get redone and shaken up. Hopefully less bloated 😀

  • ReveredChaplainDrake

    Intriguing. Old rules getting thrown out? I’d say that Tyranids should get better because their current rules are laughable garbage and there’s nowhere to go now but up… but on the other hand, Orks exist, and their rules are somehow even more garbage.

    Also calling it now: the Great Hive Tyrant Mass Dismemberment of 2017. It’ll be right up there with the Great Carnifex EBay Migration of 2010. I have the sneaking suspicion that new rules will make any build you can’t make from a single kit will be rendered illegal. And no, the 2 Carnifex box only coming with enough devourers for one Carnifex doesn’t count. On the bright side, GW might remember that venom cannons are supposed to be anti-tank, and that TLed Deathspitters are probably supposed to have some kind of role. Finally, all that work with magnets will see some vindication. …Maybe.

  • Thomas

    Cautiously excited for this. The changes sound good, by and large, and I personally thought 7th was garbage. It’s about time to try a drastic change.

    But please, PLEASE, can we stop attacking people with valid complaints or criticisms? We all look for different things in this hobby, and if people don’t like the sound of the (ample amounts) of info we’ve been given, that’s a totally valid response. It doesn’t make them “whiners” or “haters,” it makes them people with different preferences. Jesus.

  • El Boyo del Reko

    “Bloodier”, huh? I guess this means it will be easier to score a kill. I would be up for combining to hit and to wound into a single to kill-roll. That should speed up play and be bloodier at the same time.

    • Iron Star

      Please no. Make to-wound rolls automatic success when S beats T by 3 or more, but dont nix the stat

  • Ebsolom

    Hmm… I wonder if Death Guard will be in the starter box?

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    Why do I have a feeling that our next box will be Ultramarines vs. Death Guard?

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      that could be cool, I would hope that the death guard do not look like the DV marines who while cool are not my style.

      • Brian Griffith

        Well we’ve seen the new style for the Death Guard already, yeah?

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          never can tell until they pull em out.

    • Brian Griffith

      I’d probably buy that.

      I mean, I’d shave off all the U-symbols and aquilas and do teeeerrrrible things to ’em, but I’d buy it.

    • El Boyo del Reko

      Pretty sure the new box will include females in one way or another. Given that GW keeps all the girls in the same units we are looking at sisters of battle or silence as part of the imperial outfit. Personally looking forward to chaos women (the best kind).

      • Brian Griffith

        I would sell organs to get some Chaos ladies.

        • El Boyo del Reko

          Indeed. Good luck to you

      • ikari_kun2002

        Howling Banshees?
        Personally, I’d like to see three starter sets, one for each possible mega-faction (“side”) match up:
        Empire/Chaos
        Empire/Xenos
        Chaos/Xenos
        That last one could be Eldar vs. Daemons, possibly with Banshees in it.

    • Krizzab
    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      Ultra marinz ver Utrarar Marinzz

    • ikari_kun2002

      Wouldn’t it be interesting if it included Ultramar Auxilia?

      • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

        It would, but it’s not something I see them doing.

        • ikari_kun2002

          Neither do I, but I was surprised to see cultists in Dark Vengeance when it was new, so…

  • Azrell

    Your Army is still valid, every model – even Forge World.

    Is this not what they said about AoS? how did that turn out?

    • Koonitz

      It was true? Even Bretonnians and Tomb Kings were valid and had full rules in Age of Sigmar.

      • Karru

        Yep, both armies still are valid. It is a completely different story though when you ask about support for said factions.

        • Koonitz

          Nope, because they were retired factions that didn’t fit into the new direction of the narrative (mainly, I suspect, due to lackluster sales making it not worth the effort to support, considering GW’s planned pursuit of a number of new factions).

          Personally, I think the effort they did go through to make them still usable is far better than they really had to for a retired faction (lookin’ at you, Squats).

          It’s also possible we’ll see them return as entirely new factions not utterly tied to their real world inspiration (France and ancient Egypt).

          Though, as a 30k Thousand Sons player, I’m going to regret not getting a Necrosphynx to use as a stand-in Castellax-Achea.

    • You can still use every army from WHFB in current AOS. Nearly two years later.

  • Crevab

    Anti-GW whiners, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!??!?

    A quick look over the thread and the people complaining about you are clearly more prolific. Step it up!

    /s

    • Thomas

      Right? Fanboys spend more time attacking imaginary “haters” than they do enjoying their beloved game.

  • Azrell

    Why should I trust you?
    Come on! This is New Games Workshop™

    Ill give the new edition a try (after having waited out most of 6th and all of 7th) just because they included this in the FAQ

  • Odgob

    As a collector of Codex, I’m just worried about the new form of the codex.

  • Well, I’m super excited and want it to get here already! But in the meantime, we should all just sit back and enjoy the excitement and hope that everything will fixed and this edition will be perfect. Hope is enjoyable. Then if the real edition comes out and you dislike it, at least you had this time of hope for a bit.

    • Karru

      “Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.”

      • Drpx

        Yeah that’s going away.

  • No Body
  • Kk

    Hope its fun and good to play

  • Commissar Molotov

    So we are indeed getting “AoS in Space.” I’m out!

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      still hoping we dont,…hang in there.

    • Koonitz

      Can I have your stuff?

    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      i actually believe that Armageddon ist more the way to go.

    • kloosterboer

      Well, that’s a relief.

  • Knight of Gaia

    Anyone else notice that deamonkin are missing?

    • ikari_kun2002

      I did. I suspect specific rules for Daemonkin will be rendered semi-irrelevant by the new army structure. In a year or three, expect to see them back with a vengeance, and by vengeance I mean Angron, Daemon Primarch of the World Eaters.
      And maybe a command-and-extra-chainaxes sprue for Khorne Berserkers, which remains a nice-looking kit.

  • mac40k

    I think GW wants to remove the word “edition” from the vocabulary. Back when 3rd ed came out, GW made a conscience decision to put both their big games on alternating 4 year update schedules. That way they’d have a big release every 2 years of one of their 2 main games. The in-between years were the realm of Specialist Games. Over time, WFB sales declined and 40k became the major bread winner. By the time 7th came out a new edition of WFB would not have been the “big release” GW needed, so 40k had to step in to fill the slot. However, GW couldn’t expect the player base to accept a new edition every 2 years, so something else had to be done. Meanwhile, WFB was scrapped and replaced with AOS.

    Every new edition since 3rd has been an evolution of the same ruleset. We now know that the existing codexes will not be compatible with 8th, so this edition is definitely more of a revolution than evolution of the rules. I now wonder how much of the changes for 8th are lessons learned from AOS vs. AOS having been used as a test bed for intended changes to 40k. It makes sense that GW might want to trial changes on a lesser property before mucking with their primary game.

    Open Play is designed to appeal to new players. Lumping the various armies into 3 broad categories (Imperium/Chaos/Xenos) simplifies the setting for newbies that haven’t digested 20+ years of fluff. Free basic rules lowers the cost of entry. Just buy the models you like and throw down. They tried something similar with the Unbound rules, but those never caught on with the established player base. It remains to be seen if the existing 40k crowd will accept Open Play as a viable format or if newbs will be expected to “step up” to one of the other two formats, Narrative and Matched Play once they venture out beyond their small circle of friends.

    Narrative has always been GW’s preferred mode and they have put out several campaigns during 7ths run. I don’t see this letting up. Heck, they could even release new campaigns around terrain set releases. A SW/Ork box may only appeal to a narrow segment of the player base, but everyone needs terrain. Doing away with codexes and decoupling the figure releases from them lets them focus on making kits they want to (read: they expect to sell well) and frees them from the burden of having to try to update/balance codexes.

    Speaking of balance, Match Play (hopefully) scratches the itch of the competitive crowd. Replacing new editions with a Generals Handbook style release gives them an annual opportunity to take player feedback into account and address balance. It also gives them a big 40k release every year that most (if not all) of the player base will want/need without the stigma of “money grab” that releasing a new edition every couple of years might. That’s not to say that they’ll never have another major revision of the game, but for the time being, it appears the they’ve settled on a base ruleset with the freedom to make nearly continuous incremental evolutionary changes through supplements/campaign sets.

  • I’m glad they are going the AOS direction. AOS brought me back to fantasy. I find I can teach a totally new player(of almost any age) in 20min. These games need new blood, and this looks like the best way to bring them in. I’ve been playing since rogue trader and I’m glad the company has stopped taking stuff to seriously.

    • ikari_kun2002

      Didn’t that happen with the return of the Shokk Attack Gun?

  • thereturnofsuppuppers

    Sounds fun

  • Christie Bryden

    rather nicly thousandsons (and the nugle bunch) both got specific mentions as factions for chaos rather than dumbed down as CSM, thats very good, since they are both in lore and games ment to be way different that blood angles are to space wolves.

  • Angus MacKenzie

    Uh oh! New edition! Better get my gasoline and favorite army-burnin’ lighter ready!

  • Breaker

    I’m legit excited. I think I might just pull my models out of the closet 😀

  • eldannardo

    Your Army is still valid, every model – even Forge World.

    Actual quote –
    Is my army still valid?
    Yes, it certainly is! You’ll still be able to use your army in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. All current armies will be supported with new rules.

    All current armies – so anything they still sell in the GW store. At this time…?

  • am1t

    I am really interested in how they will advance the plot in the 40K universe. Gathering Storm had some pretty amazing events; the return of some great characters (Magnus, Cypher, Guilliman); cadia lost; craftworld broken etc etc

  • am1t

    So if WH40K is being Age-of-Sigmar-ed … Maybe the rules could be more easily modified to include the Kharadon Overlords in 40K! …. Squats anyone?

    • Koonitz

      It’s not being Age of Sigmared. It’s being streamlined. It’s been confirmed by GW already that the rules are being reduced to about 40 pages, give or take, not 4.

      It will not be cross compatible.

      • MechBattler

        Hopefully they don’t do to psychic what they did to magic. Magic was basically lobotomized in AoS.

  • Darth Bumbles

    So GW releases the Gathering Storm, basically renovating three armies and then goes on and invalidates the changes months later.

    • Drpx
    • ikari_kun2002

      Disagree entirely. Gathering Storm offered, mainly, multi-faction detachments. Forces represented by these detachments will be, if anything, easier to field in the new edition, if AoS is anything to go by.

  • Zakading

    Something quite interesting to note about that “Choose your faction” part, even if it was already obvious: They have Death Guard listed under Chaos in the same vein as Thousand Sons, which is the same kind of listing like for Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

    My common sense is telling me that this means they’re going to be their own factions, completely separate from regular Chaos Space Marines, as well. Pretty exciting.

    I’m also happy that every army still being there means my Black Templars won’t be squatted and, according to their statement, will actually be a viable playstyle again, but on the other hand I’m bummed out that they’re still part of the generic Marines.

    • Koonitz

      They’ve already announced the Death Guard. It’s old news. Look up the video on WarHammer TV on Youtube.

      • Zakading

        Obviously they announced them. The difference is that they and Thousand Sons are listed as separate armies to regular Chaos Space Marines now, like the loyalist Marine variants.

  • Drpx

    I love that first bullet point. Every Sisters of Battle player just breathed a long sigh of relief.

  • Moonsaves

    “All models currently made by Games Workshop and Forgeworld”.

    Why do I get the feeling my Orks with Looted Wagons and some conversions for units with rules but no models are about to be shafted hard…

    • Koonitz

      People will believe something to be true because either they want it to be true, or they fear it to be true.

      You fear it to be true, so you are becoming paranoid about it. Wait it out like the rest of us.

      • Moonsaves

        I’m preparing myself for disappointment. I’d rather suspect it now and cushion the blow of losing so much time and money than blissfully take my models into GW on launch day of the edition and be told they can no longer be used.

  • am1t

    In order to prevent arguments in this forum I have created a tool that can be used: Roll 2D6 an apply whichever modifier you feel inclined to. You may roll as many times as you wish

    Result:
    <2: I hate GW and all things GW
    2-6: This is the worst thing ever I'll just stick to playing AoS
    7-11: I am excited about this release and will keep an open mind
    12+: I want to enlist in the Imperial Guard

    Modifiers

    Your Army is still valid, every model – even Forge World. +1
    Same Universe – the story is just moving forward. +1
    The Core Rules will be FREE +1
    Current Codexes are going to be invalid due to rules changes -4
    Points are still around +1
    Rules updated annually (a la Generals Handbook) +1

  • Ronald A Price

    Well… where do I start. I have played 40k since rogue trader. I weathered rules changes after rules changes for years. I played GW Epic Space Marines, I owned most everything for the game. GW changed the rules and the game died. I played ManOwar. GW just quit supporting it all together.I also played many many other GW games over the years that just died off. Then I got into WH Fantasy. All the while still playing and enduring GWs constant rules changes for 40k.After AOS release I dropped WHF completely. And I do mean EVERYTHING. And now I’m about to have several hundreds of dollars worth of useless rules and codex books sitting in my library. Some books were just bought as recently as this year. I knew GW was gonna release 8th edition, But I didn’t think they would go to this extreme with what they learned from the ABORTION called AOS. But, it looks like GW may finally cut their own throats. Remember all current tournys through out the USA are based on current point systems and most people have built their armies using those tourney rules. Think how many people ran out and bought new vehicles for their armies due to the formations in the codexs. Are these gone too???
    If this is the case are the tourney managers gonna jump up and totally change their rules, or are they just gonna stick to 7th edition until GW works out all the bugs that will definitely come with a brand new rules system. And the spring/ summer time is when most tournies will be run. AND we all know how “PLAY TESTED” 40k rules are. FAQs are gonna be out within 6 months. Also Are the new rules gonna cover EVERY army currently released; I mean since our current codexs will now be useless according to GW. Do you all realize how generic this game will be. And then suddenly in a few months GW will start releasing codexs for 50.00 a pop once again. Just like they did for AOS. People of the world of 40K I feel GW is either gonna look like the Greatest show on earth. Or they may have just blown a big hole in the only part of the ship that hasent filled with water yet. GWs excuse was to make the game more affordable. Maybe they should have looked at the price of their minis first. And stuck with paper back codexs.
    TO this day i’ll never understand this company. Back in the day TSR and FASA were some of the big boys on the block. Look where they are now. Maybe GW is about to go the way of the dinosaur. Or become the goose that laid another golden egg. Only time will tell. But this maybe where I get off the ever turning merry go round called 40k. Good day.

  • Crablezworth

    traitor legions got a whole couple a months…

  • Borja Saiz Bustamante

    Da faction crap os wrong. It would be better Vanila Marines, Caos, Everyody Else

  • Antonio Salazar

    Looks like corax is next with mortarian. I am basing this on the split marine pic, definit raven guard image split with a death guard image. What ya guys think?

  • Antonio Salazar

    How’s is no one else jumping on this? It’s plain as day, corax is the next loyalist and mortarian for chaos! Look at the video, the split pic of the marine tells it all

  • Ronald A Price

    Well… where do I start. I have played 40k since rogue trader. I weathered rules changes after rules changes for years. I played GW Epic Space Marines, I owned most everything for the game. GW changed the rules and the game died. I played ManOwar. GW just quit supporting it all together.I also played many many other GW games over the years that just died off. Then I got into WH Fantasy. All the while still playing and enduring GWs constant rules changes for 40k.After AOS release I dropped WHF completely. And I do mean EVERYTHING. And now I’m about to have several hundreds of dollars worth of useless rules and codex books sitting in my library. Some books were just bought as recently as this year. I knew GW was gonna release 8th edition, But I didn’t think they would go to this extreme with what they learned from the ABORTION called AOS. But, it looks like GW may finally cut their own throats. Remember all current tournys through out the USA are based on current point systems and most people have built their armies using those tourney rules. Think how many people ran out and bought new vehicles for their armies due to the formations in the codexs. Are these gone too???
    If this is the case are the tourney managers gonna jump up and totally change their rules, or are they just gonna stick to 7th edition until GW works out all the bugs that will definitely come with a brand new rules system. And the spring/ summer time is when most tournies will be run. AND we all know how “PLAY TESTED” 40k rules are. FAQs are gonna be out within 6 months. Also Are the new rules gonna cover EVERY army currently released; I mean since our current codexs will now be useless according to GW. Do you all realize how generic this game will be. And then suddenly in a few months GW will start releasing codexs for 50.00 a pop once again. Just like they did for AOS. People of the world of 40K I feel GW is either gonna look like the Greatest show on earth. Or they may have just blown a big hole in the only part of the ship that hasent filled with water yet. GWs excuse was to make the game more affordable. Maybe they should have looked at the price of their minis first. And stuck with paper back codexs.
    TO this day i’ll never understand this company. Back in the day TSR and FASA were some of the big boys on the block. Look where they are now. Maybe GW is about to go the way of the dinosaur. Or become the goose that laid another golden egg. Only time will tell. But this maybe where I get off the ever turning merry go round called 40k. Good day.

    • Big Red

      K

  • Kostas Kostis

    Finally good news!!!!! 40k was so stale , overblown and down right disgustingly unbalanced that i stopped playing for almost 1 year now .The problems ? Too many to list but let’s see a few of them

    1.Only waacs could have liked these ludicrous lists that existed ( demon army with inquisitor ally ? sure why not? ) . Allies and the large number of books to choose from made very powerful armies for some and ludicrously under-performing for others .

    2. Formations . There is a reason why we pay for these in age of sigmar and no you don’t get anything FREE with them , you pay for your toys and your formations .

    3.Rules bloat . Does anything else need be said?How many books are there in 40k and how many things must i know to play against one army? Or for that matter to know my army in many cases ?

    4. Superheavies . Monsters in age of sigmar matter . They are huge , pack a devastating punch and don’t fall as easily as many people think . sure if you go against a gun line then yes you are in trouble but lately GW has made most armies ( the new armies that got books ) from good to excellent and they all have ways out . Now in 40k they either make monsters too good ( eldar ) or so bad you don’t want to even see them .

    Now if we go down sigmarization i do hope that sigmar appears with his legions and is a lost son of the emperor and takes over from papa smurf . Hate the ultras with all my heart .

    I certainly hope that 40k is good with this new edition ( finally my khorne will be able to fight ? charge from rhinos? close combat will matter??????) and that the majority will enjoy it .

  • D_Ork

    I can finally take the Orks out of the closet; about 3,200 points of greenskins that can hit the table again without spending more money…So glad I skipped 7th.

  • Hell-Nico

    – Your Army is still valid, every model – even Forge World.

    – Same Universe – the story is just moving forward.

    – The Core Rules will be FREE

    – Current Codexes are going to be invalid due to rules changes (sorry folks)

    Yup, end time 40k.
    I really fear what they are going to do to the lore…

    • foulestfeesh13 .

      They said they’ve been taking feed back from the community to give us the best version of 40k. That in its self is a lie as they’ve been deleting people’s posts and blocking them on Facebook if they’ve any kind of concern or dislike for the way things seem to be going.