40K: More Primaris Space Marine Info

Games Workshop drops even more tidbits about the new Primaris Space Marines!

We got pretty excited around BoLS when we saw the full box contents of the new edition earlier this week. We also had some (not so) wild speculation about the new Primaris Space Marine units. Well now Games Workshop is back with even more teasey goodness for those new models!

via Warhammer Community

Space Marine Captain in Gravis Armour

“Every Space Marines army is going to want one of these guys at its head. Like all the Space Marines’ greatest commanders, he’s great at combat in all forms, hitting up close and at range on a 2+. That Gravis armour brings some benefits too. While lacking some of the impenetrable defence against small arms fire that Terminator armour brings, it makes up for that with an increased Toughness, meaning even heavy weaponry will struggle to bring him down easily. He has 6 Wounds, which is pretty solid too, though Characters generally have more Wounds in the new Warhammer 40,000 – even a lascannon will be lucky to kill him in a single shot.”

The Captain in Gravis Armour is an interesting take. Personally, I was thinking “Hey, they look like new Terminators” – I was wrong. However, that doesn’t mean that Gravis Armour doesn’t provide something special. While the basic save isn’t higher, it does add a point of Toughness to the character. The Character also has 6 wounds as well. That will help keep this Captain alive AND makes it different from Terminators.

I really like how GW is using the stats to represent the differences in the units with 8th so far. From what I’ve seen, it’s a good use of the stat blocks and it shows that they are trying to be creative with what folks are familiar with already.

The Captain also comes with an Iron Halo as well – so that 4+ Invulnerable save is still around. I also like his ability that helps friendly <Chapter> units re-roll 1s to hit. But let’s talk about his weapons for a minute:

His Boltstorm Gauntlet is basically an under-slung Bolt Pistol with the big exception that it’s 3 shots. It’s also a pistol which means he’s going to be cranking out the shots even when he’s within 1″ on an enemy! In Melee, it basically functions like a Powerfist as expected.

The Master-Crafted Power Sword is also interesting to me. It looks like the benefit of it being Master-Crafted is no long a re-roll to hit, but rather a bonus to the damage letting it cause 2 wounds. That would seem to be the go-to weapon most of the time in my mind, unless you’re fighting something very tough.

Inceptor Squad

“Next up, the Inceptor Squad, These guys are the Primaris Space Marines’ answer to a lot of things: they combine the speed of Assault Squads, the durability of units like Bikes and the ability to drop in from space mid-battle, AND they pack a fair combat punch as they make a charge. Oh, and those guns are basically hand held heavy bolters (albeit, with a much reduced range). We expect to see these guys in a lot of Space Marines armies very soon.”

Uh…Holy crap. No wonder this unit is only 3 man. Someone please jump in here and correct me if I’m reading this wrong but if each Marine is equipped with TWO Assault Bolters that means this unit is the equivalent of 6 Heavy Bolters running around the battlefield at 18″ range. They have a 10″ move so that doesn’t seem to be that big of a draw back. Yeah…I’m going to run a few squads of these guys as soon as I can get my hands on the models.

We also get a look at the new version of “Hammer of Wrath” with the Crushing Charge ability. I personally really liked that old mechanic and think that it added something special for really fast units. I’m glad to see that it’s still around. Although this version is actually much more damaging – Mortal Wounds ignore all saves as far as we know. That could really smack a character around!

Let’s also not discount that whole not scattering thing – drop these guys in, unload a wall of Strength 5 Bolt shells with -1 AP and watch the models get added to the dead pile. Ye-haw!

Read the Full Breakdown from GW HERE

 

What do you think of these new Primaris Space Marine Stats? Are you ready to add them to your existing Space Marine Army or are you too old school for the new cool?

  • Parthis

    Hey look guys, that Gravis Armour that BoLS decided was the new terminator armour isn’t terminator armour!

    Yup.

    • orionburn

      Quiet you! We haven’t received our article yet chastising us about all the speculation and rumors despite 99.999999% of those speculative rumors starting on articles we read on here…lol.

      Sorry guys. Can’t let that one go. 😀

      • Parthis

        Hah, quite. The majority of posts on this site seem designed to provoke readers, and to spawn more articles and rumours. It’s actually kinda sad and unsavoury. When a rare, meaning article does come out people in the comments section actually THANK the writer as it’s a rarity, how mad is that.

        “Look at that, new terminator armour! What will happen to terminators now! They’re iconic and being replaced!”

        • kingcobra668

          “Quite”

        • Randy Randalman

          BoLS may be where a lot of speculative rumors articles start, but they never feed it to you in the way they want you to think about them. They just present the information, state it’s a rumor, and then the article writer gives his/her take.

          The comments section is where people draw insane conclusions that aren’t based on the info we were given, but instead leap to unreasonable places all on their own. When more complete info emerges later, the same people then yell at GW about it, for some reason, as though the rumor they stretched was a promise of things to come.

  • Xodis

    “We fixed Heavy Bolters to be useful…then we gave Primaris marines 1 for each hand!”

    *Stares in Chaos*

    • Karru

      That’s the price of heresy these days. Chaos and their heretechs can’t invent anything while Imperium and their strict laws against inventing anything new gets cool new toys.

      Welcome to the Dark Millennium everyone!

      • kingcobra668

        Inventing, no. Finding long lost STCs, yes.

        • Crevab

          GW hasn’t used the excuse of finding a lost STC in ages. Primaris and their gear are inventions of the magic ArchMagos

        • Karru

          Like Crevab said, GW has said that the latest equipment used by the Guilmarines are “new inventions” made by the Mr. 10.000 Years Old.

          • ieyke

            Yea, well, Guilliman woke up and told everyone to knock off their stupid superstitious crap.
            Getting the techpriests to get off their asses and finally make something new.

      • Spacefrisian

        Anything invented mutates when chaos tries, so far it only worked well with sonic weapons, they dont overheat anymore .

    • orionburn
      • GrenAcid

        Why you laugh? You are one of us.

        • EnTyme

          But they were smart enough to pretend to be loyal.

        • orionburn

          Was waiting for that…lol

      • Walter Vining

        you spelled chaos player wrong

    • KingAceNumber1

      Yeah, this makes me a little sad. I wanted to have a DG squad of Havocs walking around with HB’s but next to these guys they’re just blah.

      • AEZ

        Model for model sure.. point for point it’s not that bad probably.

    • Randy Randalman

      Death Guard get guns far better than Heavy Bolters, and they will be cheaper than these guys, so we should start complaining about them, right?

      • Xodis

        Randy I know you are the brainwashed GW attack dog, but learn to chill for a joke where they exist. If you paid attention to anything outside of just seeing red whenever anyone disagrees with GW, you would see Im 99% in favor of this edition.

        Also, Nurgle Blight Launchers and even the 1Ksons Bolters with Warp rounds are not “far better”.

        Lastly, a “fast attack” unit being able to dual wield an assault version of a Heavy weapon doesn’t negate the fact that Havoks and CSM troops that use Heavy Bolters would definitely say something about needing an upgrade since a Heavy Bolter seems to be an obviously poor design choice.

        So in other words. Heel boy, heel.

        • ieyke

          Points.
          Things cost points.
          It doesn’t matter how much more awesome Primaris Marines are than anything in the Chaos arsenal if the Chaos Marines are getting their gear cheap enough in comparison.

          • Xodis

            Still doesn’t mean its not worth making a joke when you see one. Heavy Bolters being useless for over a decade, and the edition they become good again having the “star” army get them in a handheld version and packing two……deserves to be questioned and laughed at.

          • ieyke

            What I guess you haven’t realized is that Space Marines ALREADY HAD units with 2 handheld Heavy Bolters.
            ACTUAL Heavy Bolters with 36″ range. Not just 18″ Heavy-ish Bolters.
            I understand why you’d forget about them.
            We’ve all tried very hard to forget about them.
            But the 8th Edition rules makes them NUTS.

            http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ed10bdf98eee3e0f2b5d1247e1ded13080e65117cac65353cdcfb7e6028af5f.jpg

          • Xodis

            I did forget about them, but it still doesn’t change the fact the most powerful version of Bolters was just miniaturized and turned into Uzis. Needing a walking tank to carry two Heavy Bolters seems quite normal for 40K anyways.

  • Karru

    I just love the fact that GW says “Yeah guys, we are totally not replacing Marines” while at the same time saying “SM players
    should totally add these guys to their armies”.

    • orionburn

      New stuff doesn’t equal replacing. In all seriousness when Centurions came out did people think they were going to replace all Devastator squads? These guys will have a unique role to play, and since assault squads may actually be worth taking this edition they’re going to have totally different roles on the table.

      • OldHat

        This x1000. This new GW seems to be hellbent on endearing the players to them… yet the players still outrage.

        • Hawt Dawg

          Abscense of a femal touch can drive a nerd insane…

        • Critic

          Well to be fair compared to how long GW has gotten it wrong its become a Pavlovian response to be critical as soon as they say anything.

          • orionburn

            I get that. Luckily it seems I sat out 40k during the really craptacular times with GW.

          • Parthis

            “The Kirby years”

            No one misses him.

          • Walter Vining

            matt ward does

          • Nyyppä

            You skipped the 2nd edition, the end of 5th and the whole of 7th edition?

          • orionburn

            Bad editions/rules aren’t the same thing as bad management thumbing their nose at the customer. I know a lot of people aren’t ever going to forgive GW for any of their sins. There’s simply no point in arguing about it anymore.

          • Nyyppä

            Well, if I can play my legion and nids without being automatically the loser/winner then I’m fine with the new stuff. If that’s not possible, like it at the moment is not, then they can burn in warp for all I care. It’s a straight up binary, a success or failure.

          • orionburn

            I’m not arguing that past editions or factions haven’t suffered badly. I’ve been collecting Nids for a year and haven’t played them once because I knew there wasn’t much point with how 7th was going. I’m sure we’re going to find things that are still wrong in 8th, but if they hold true to the yearly updates then at least we’re on the right track. Being stuck in a crappy rule set for 3+ years isn’t fun.

          • Nyyppä

            Assuming that they aim for balanced gameplay then sure, I agree. It’s just not like GW to do that. They have not done that even in AoS and they had time to get it done, more than enough.

          • kingcobra668

            You ever try… not playing 40k?
            I don’t get some of you toxic frequent commenters.

          • Nyyppä

            Actually I quit playing when the theory of faction and list being 99% of the things that led to victory or loss changed to a fact of them being 99% of the things that led to victory or loss. Now I’m hoping that the cluster f’k that is the current 40k will transform in to something playable in 8th.

            You don’t get some of “us” yet you do nothing but whine about our genuine, fact based, constructive criticism. Why is that? Why are you bringing your “fanboi’ish” hate in to conversations between adults? Can’t stand the critique? Don’t read. Go to GW FB page. They ban literally everyone who has something other than praises to say about the games.

          • kingcobra668

            Was GW bad during 2nd? Nope.

          • Nyyppä

            GW has never been good. They just had no competition back then and because of that looked like they were awesome.
            40k 2nd edition was one of the least playable editions yet. It’s not nearly as bad as 7th but it’s still bad.

          • LeroyJenkinss

            You’ve never played warhammer? You should give it a try.

          • Randy Randalman

            The only thing is, they didn’t get it “wrong” for that long, and often “anything” became “wrong” because that was the cool thing for fans to do. GW could release 13 cool things in a row, but then take a dump once (cutting Dire Avengers from 10 to 5 for the same price, for example), and the whole interwebs treated it as though THAT were the norm. They would literally ignore everything good GW did and focus on the one bad thing with their ears plugged like a kid brother who’s being snotty.

            Now GW is releasing models for a wider variety of games, factions, and at more reasonable prices, and on top of that they are communicating openly, listening to feedback, etc, and those same whiners are fabricating reasons to remain as they were before.

            There is just no winning with those folks. I can’t imagine they are happy with much of anything in their lives and probably assume the whole world owes them at every turn.

          • kingcobra668

            That’s not really a good excuse.

          • euansmith

            That rings a bell.

        • Nyyppä

          Are they? Based on what? What have they released thus far this year that somehow points to that direction?

          • AEZ

            Sisters, custodes, steam punk dwarfs, bloodbowl, necromunda 2.0

          • Nyyppä

            Sisters did not get a real update. Custodes were the wet dream of maybe 3 people. AoS is not 40k, neither is BB or Necro2.0.

            Had they released a balanced codices for CSM, nids or something like that then sure.

          • AircoolUK

            Yeah, but previous codex writing and playtesting just involved them flapping their old chap onto a keyboard and printing whatever it rubbish typed out.

          • Nyyppä

            That could be the most accurate description of the GW game design philosophy. We shall see if that has changed.

          • AEZ

            Now now.. no cheating: you said GW releases.. not 40K releases.

          • Nyyppä

            And the topic was something other than 40k? The context was not set by me. It was already there.

          • kingcobra668

            “maybe 3 people”

            What you meant to say was, “not special little snow flake, me.”

          • Nyyppä

            If you think that you are a special little snowflake then so be it. What I meant is that custodes are cool, sure, but in no way what so ever contribute in a way that makes the game better. The same problems persist in 7th after them. Also I’m pretty sure that there are more fans playing the weak codices than the 3 people who thought that custodes were more important addition to the game than balance would have been.

          • Hamish Stokes

            wow I was hoping to read responses to “What do you think of these new Primaris Space Marine Stats? Are you ready to add them to your existing Space Marine Army or are you too old school for the new cool?” Is there a moderator?
            Waste of my time … too many whinges..

          • Nyyppä

            Why are you whining if you think that you are whining too much?

        • AircoolUK

          I was thinking of starting a Sisters army just so I could take umbrage at everything GW ever does.

        • kingcobra668

          This community would complain about free blow jobs and fresh baked cookies.

          • Brian Brodeur

            Must … resist …. mom …. comments … for … both items …

            failed 🙁

          • This comment needs to be plastered at the head of every comment section on BoLS from now on.

      • Parthis

        Indeed. Non of these new units directly compete with existing units. They actually neatly fill gaps.

        I understand people’s trepidation, but at this point the same posters drop into these articles with the same tired comments regardless of content.

        Inceptors do not complete with ASM or Vanguard.
        Hellblasters do not compete with Devastators or Tacs.
        Intercesscors are Sternguard light. They’re more susceptible to multi-wound weapons compared to a tac squad, and they’re not nearly as flexible as a Sternguard squad.

        … etc etc.

        • Karru

          Actually, Hellblasters most likely aren’t meant to replace Devastators. That will be the job of the Primaris version of them, as we haven’t seen any of their Heavy Weapons as of yet. The Hellblasters are meant to “fill in the gap”, as you say it, that Sternguard combi-weapon squads used to do. A unit of special weapons, such as Plasma Guns.

          Meanwhile, the Inceptors are taking over for Bikes, unless bikes get some amazing rules attached to them that isn’t just the “2 special weapons”.

          Intercesscors are competing against Tacticals, not Sternguard. Only thing Tacticals have “over” Intercesscors is their ability to take one special and one heavy weapon in a squad of 10, which is 2 Power Levels over 10 Intercesscors, mind you. Thus far, Intercesscors are the better alternative to Tacticals, at least until we see if Intercesscors cost around the double the price of Tacticals as that is exactly what they are but better as they have superior Weapons for their role.

          Currently Guilmarines are enjoying the power creep that GW is famous for. They did it with Wraithknights and Imperial Knights, now they do it with these guys.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            Can you take 10 Intercessors?

          • Karru

            In 2 Squads of 5, yes.

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            That’s what I thought.

        • memitchell

          New, better, bigger Marines don’t compete with punyMarines. Why would anyone think that?

      • Marco Marantz

        yet Grav centurions became a staple for those wanting to blow their opponent off the table. Primaris are the same crap. If I were a space marine player there is no way I would run original marines with the stats primaris have.

        • Parthis

          Grav centurions became a staple with WAAC Deathstar-wielding “pro players”, nothing more.

          His original point remains; many people still used devastators over Centurions.

          • Karru

            I never got around getting my Devastators done, once they released the Centurions. I equipped mine with Lascannons/Missile Launchers and used those over my original plan of 10 Devastators with 2 Plasma Cannons and 2 Lascannons. Does that make me a “WAAC Deathstar-wielding pro player”?

          • Parthis

            No, just lazy.

          • Karru

            What makes me lazy? The Centurions filled the role better than the one I was making those Devastators into. I had no intentions of making the stupidly broken Skyhammer formation, so all other weapon options felt pointless to them.

            Centurions had all the answers to the problems Devastators had suffered from for years. Mobility, survivability and firepower. They could move, allowing them to better engage enemy units. They had better saves and better Toughness. They also supported more weapons than the Devastator Squad, 3 Lascannons and 3 Missile Launchers. They were better in the role I needed to fill, so how does that make me “lazy”?

          • AircoolUK

            heh… ‘pro’…

          • Marco Marantz

            Anything is viable in a friendly game and grav cents gained a real rep in my area because of how cheesy they are. I have seen grav cents used in a variety of lists, including as alpha-strikers, once as part of a conclave list.

        • Koonitz

          What if regular Tac Marines are 13 points and the Primaris are 20?

          Would you still use Primaris marines, even if they have effectively the same number of shots (with only a small bonus to range, and a -1 rend) and no special weapons at 7 points more?

          If you put them side by side, and compare them 1 to 1, then yes, the Primaris is better.

          Just as the Terminator is better than the Tac marine. But people still use Tac marines.

          We don’t know enough about them to say they are BALANCED or not, yet. Just that a single Primaris is better than a single Tac marine.

          Sure, Primaris marines may support the WAAC playstyle over tactical playstyles, and you may see these types of people lean towards them over others. You’ll also likely see new players adopt them like people did the Sigmarines in AoS, over other races.

          That’s entirely possible. But we don’t, yet, know enough to say they’re BETTER.

          • Marco Marantz

            Point taken but you dont take tac marines for their access to specials. they add to a units versatility but, grav abomination aside, melta and flamers wont help in a ranged fight against primaris. We havent seen what other primaris units there will be but the primaris assault squad above is just obscene; they are effectively a devastator and assault squad. The range of their weapons is mitigated by their mobility.

      • Karru

        Actually, until the utterly broken Skyhammer Annihilation Force was released, Devastators didn’t see the table much after Centurions were released. Grav Centurions were the stable of SM Heavy Support alongside Thunderfire Cannons. The problem with the Devastators were their lack of “mobility” as they couldn’t move and shoot. Centurions allowed that and had superior weapons to boot.

        Other situation where you’d see Devastators being played over Centurions was Gladius, but that was obvious as the unit of 5 Devastators was worth the free Transport they got over the Grav Centurions.

        • orionburn

          I do have a friend that is a WAAC player when it comes to tourneys. He had something like 80 grav shots on T1. I still put most of the blame on grav for ruining 7th. I run DA so we don’t get to play with Centurions. Guys in my FLGS still ran a lot of standard Dev units, but you’re right that it was a limited roll. It was either nothing but las in a unit deep in cover, or grav in drop pods.

          • Karru

            Exactly. The heavy weapon thingy will now help them greatly, as it allows for more weapon options to be used. Drop Pod + Devastators with Multi-meltas for example, getting that 2D6-pick-the-highest damage right out the gate.

            Since Devastators couldn’t move and shoot, it reduced their weapon options to the most expensive ones, as those were the only ones able to do anything useful. Personally, before Grav, I always blamed Sternguard. They were just the better alternative to basically everything the enemy could sent your way thanks to their Combi-weapons and Special Bolter rounds.

      • Rechnin

        From what I have heard in rumour about the fluff, the new Primaris and the old Astartes are not best bros, its something akin to the early SA/SS and the Wehrmacht before the start of WWII. Who are this lot, new, shinny, cool weapons being treated as Elite and not even done any fighting, now they are the speartip and we are to back them up.

        • Marco Marantz

          So we can expect disgruntled space marines to turn traitor?? 🙂

          • Rechnin

            I wouldn’t go as far as to say going traitor as such, but, their is certainly going to be a HUGE amount of resentment which may lead to more depending on what is discovered during the Indomitus Crusade and beyond it. We already know that Roboute Guilliman dislikes what has become of his Father’s vision for the Imperium of Man, who knows what he will think when he discovers the new Blood Angels ally, or the hidden truths behind many of the Astartes Chapters.

    • Zingbaby

      ‘Hey guys we fixed your Space Marine balance issues, the weak ones are brought up to speed and the OP ones are toned down — All you gotta do is just use Primarus Marines now!’

    • kingcobra668

      Okay? “Add” “to their armies”

  • Nyyppä

    Good. I was afraid that it’s just another terminatoresque thing.

  • Dusty

    I keep reading “inceptor” as “interceptor.” I’ll just call them “assault squad” anyway.

    • orionburn

      Ditto. This unit will get the award for most mispronounced name in 8th.

      • Parthis

        I keep pronouncing “Hellblasters” as “Support Squad”, but I think that’s because my brain refuses to say Hellblasters out loud!

        • Karru

          I think that, if nothing else people can’t agree on when it comes to GW, their “special naming” technique has always been the one that brings everyone together. Seriously, I’m still trying to figure out a good way to short those names.

          Can’t use “Int” for Intercesscors or Inceptors thanks to the damn similarity of the names.

          Maybe Cessors and Ceptors could work…

          • Xodis

            HAHA, Heresy doesn’t have to worry about that since we dont invent anything new anymore! lol

          • Karru

            Should someone try to reach GW and inform them that they got the lore mixed up? I mean, that would make the most sense as currently it is Chaos running around with ancient tech, refusing to upgrade at all, while Imperium is coming up with all these new tools time and time again.

          • Xodis

            Hoping that everything for Chaos just becomes Deamon powered to keep up.
            I think this is going to end up being the Age of Technology part 2, which can lead to another age of Strife (which could be where the new game picks up).

            Now if we can just get a name for a Squad of CSM’s that ISNT Chaos Space Marine Squad lol.

          • Karru

            Don’t you dare give them ideas. I’d much rather keep calling them Chaos Space Marines, instead of whatever name they come up with that would be impossible to spell correctly even after 10th attempts with the word in front of you.

          • Mr.Gold

            it might be Heretek Astartes, the combined Chaos book seems to say that on the front.

          • Xodis

            Despoiler Squad, Murder squad, pretty much anything but what it is. Hell there are a ton of FW squads they can steal the name from since these guys are one in the same practically.

          • AircoolUK

            I usually resort to whatever they’re carrying….

            those bolter guys…

            those plasma dudes…

            that chap with the big fist…

            the thingy tank with all those lascannons…

            Works for me.

        • Nonot Gonnapey

          IMO Hellblasters is a pretty terrible name. Sounds more Chaos than Imperium.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Sounds like Hellraisers or Hellblazers. Hellraiser squads spend every night drunk and getting into fights in Pool Halls. Hell Blazers look really smart until their jackets catch fire.

        • Drew

          To me, a Helblaster is a giant cannon with nine barrels, gloriously unloading blackpowder rounds into the enemies of the Empire (until it explodes…). =)

          • AircoolUK

            Now you’re going to have to make up a Centurion model with a Helblaster on each arm.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Just call them Nounverb squads, equipped with Nounverb guns. Covers all GW names then.

    • Hu, I didn’t even notice until your post that they aren’t named ‘Interceptor’.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Inception Squads, they fight in your dreams.

      Contraception Squads, good against Inception Squads.

      Insector Squads, good against raw meat and turds.

  • OldHat

    Yup, glad I am getting two boxes. Now to get some of those Celestine doves to put on each one for max Gun-Fu styling.

    • orionburn

      I already found a guy to swap models with so I can dump off the DG stuff for another set of Primaris. I run Dark Angels but have been wanting to do a separate SM army since we don’t get all the goodies that the other chapters get. Just have to create my own fluffy stuff to use existing DA models with the new guys.

  • orionburn

    I’m in the minority on this one but I really like the Inceptor models. If the points aren’t too crazy on them they’ll be good for holding back (or should save above) to grab objectives. And if each guy gets 6 shots each that’s gonna hurt being on the receiving end.

    • Parthis

      I dislike the hood that is built into the jumppack, but, with a little modification here and there I think these are neat models.

      Lots of opportunities for conversion.

      • orionburn

        Yeah…I think it would have been a bit better to forgo the hood and work in some sort of central air intake above their head.

        • Parthis

          That is exactly what they’re not quite recognisable as SM jump units, the intake is missing.

          Should be a fun project to convert though, and should stand out.

          • SilentPony

            That and the bunny teeth. Still can’t believe someone designed that and no one laughed

      • Drew

        Maybe I’m just odd, but I like the hood- it makes me think of 80s lego spacemen!

      • AircoolUK

        Hmmm, that makes me think. Maybe there are some rules for Gravis X armour that we’re not familiar with yet… Maybe those hoods are more than just protection from bullets?

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      I really like them as well.

    • Karru

      I have no interest in Guilmarines, and while I call them that, I do have legitimate reason for not liking them. I like the “tiny” marines better, mostly due to the size being just right. To me, Guilmarines are just too big to be a “standard” army and since they are Marines, I really don’t want to add them to my current Ultramarine army because they would feel so out of place.

      • EnTyme

        I prefer the High Gothic term: Adeptus Restartes.

        • AircoolUK

          Nice 🙂

    • Scatter 667

      Looking at the power level these Inceptors cost 8points for 3, which is the cost of a rubric squad (8points) and more than primaris intercessors , which are 6points for 5 models. I don’t know yet, if they will be worth it, but the assault bolters seem scary.
      I dont like the model though, the blast shields look strange.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        They are hard hitting but fragile, which seems to be the theme with these new marines

        • orionburn

          18 HB shots is going to tear some stuff up. What would have been a nice addition to these guys is if they had the ability to go back up into orbit. That would create some interesting tactics in a game.

          Hopefully that T5 and 2W helps keep them alive a bit longer, but only being 3 in a unit is gonna limit what they can do.

          • Mr.Gold

            fortunately being in a squad of 3 and LD 8 (sarg.) along with being allowed to take wounds from wherever in a squad, means not one of these will run from failed bravery – if you loose 2 (which will be the standard guys) +6 max for the D6 roll only equals 8 (their bravery)…

        • Scatter 667

          thats true. 18HB against MEQ is 12 hits, and wounding on 3+ making it 8 wounds. The MEQ gets 8 armour saves with -1 making it 4+, meaning 4 damage on average. Thats strong.
          But against split fire on everything and when beeing charged they just have 6 wounds with a higher T, but against multi damage weapons they will suffer. Same for all the primaris.
          I don’t know yet, but Heavy bolter or auto cannon havocs seem to be a good option in 8th.

    • Mr.Gold

      from the missions peek yesterday, you only control the objective if you have more MODELS within 3″ than the enemny…

      • EnTyme

        If it’s anything like AoS, different missions will have different capture mechanics. Some can only be captured by heroes, some require more models within 3″, so require 5+ friendly models and no enemy models. I expect this to be the case in 40k as well.

      • orionburn

        Yeah that’ll limit them. Will be good for grabbing empty objectives early on. Otherwise just dropping in the backfield should cause some havoc.

        • AircoolUK

          I don’t think I’d drop them onto empty objectives, they’re not a defensive unit and would actually make an ideal target for a Battle Cannon.

          • orionburn

            It’ll definitely depend on the situation and what’s on the field. Usually there’s at least one objective on the table that’s pretty easy to grab and blocks a fair amount of line of sight.

    • Walter Vining

      the shields on the guns is about all I don’t like of them

      • orionburn

        Built in air brakes? lol

        I guess maybe if you imagine them shooting as their dropping in it’s to prevent muzzle flash from coming back into them? But then again if you gotta worry about muzzle flash in Sperce Muhrine armor then Mars is doing it wrong.

      • Aura1

        Gun shields are pretty common in many modern armies, especially for close assault and fixed placed rifles. I think they’re going for the Breacher shielding combined with dual wielding hand cannons – in that format having your weapons built into another layer of shielding makes sense for someone diving into the middle of the enemy. Even Primaris Marines want to keep their faces intact, I guess.

  • Marco Marantz

    T5? Plague Champion equivalents better be T6.

    • KingAceNumber1

      Yeah, I’m gonna be a little salty if that Lord of Contagion in the starter box isn’t a complete freight train after seeing this stuff.

    • Heinz Fiction

      Surely it has nothing to do with their armor giving them +1 toughness.That would be to obvious. There must be a conspiracy somewhere…

      • Trey

        Sort of like the Bike-Marines being T(5)

      • Marco Marantz

        It must be those little shields on the bolters. the armour itself doesnt look any different…but its an interesting precedent to set. very interested to see how gross primaris terminators will be.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      The new spangled armor gives you +1 T.

  • Trey

    Gravis save not even as good as old Artificer armor disappointing.. but T-5 nice.

    maybe the armor counts for some of the extra wounds too… hard to know.

    • Parthis

      “But they’re replacing the old marines!” – etc.

      T5 is great.
      2+ is great.

      T5 and 2+ means no point taking a terminator captain, or artificer captain.

      Again, a respectful, logical release designed to blend in with other marines.

      • Trey

        Fluff wise.. it there has been 100’s if not 1000’s of years of prep time.. why is Gravis not the standard armor ?

        It would mean in game terms VERY small units of Space Marines

        For some time even back in 3rd I always wondered why all marines did not have a refractor field at least and probably Artificer armor

        A chapter could at least get enough refractor fields (guard LT’s could get them!) for the Assault troops!

        I always wanted to make a “New chapter” that did not have and Terminators so its 1st company used Mk-7 unpgraded to Artificer and had Refractor fields. Power Sword and Storm bolter or Combi Bolter

        • Xodis

          Im assuming that the Gravis armor is built off of the new chassis of MKX, so most of the time and resources went into pumping those out and then they figured out Gravis and well…….we got a couple so give it to the guys that keep getting sniped.

          • Trey

            Nicely put

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          Refractor fields are very rare. Basic Marines’ armor can take a brutal punishment, they do not really super need it. Squishy command officers need all the protection they can get.

          • Trey

            Really all that rare ?

            3rd Edition – 5th edition they could be issued to IG Company Commanders and and at the Company level.

            As far as Rare… there are supposed to be 1000 chapters of a 1000 marines.. that is 100,000 marines considering there are more than a 100,000 planets in the Imperium that makes them pretty rare too.

            I am not saying that GW should make the Marines into Movie marines.. as that has effects game balance. I am saying that the internal game values make little sense at times if one thinks of Marines as the Zenith of Mans military might, then say sorry that bit of kit is reserved for that IG Lt… sorry marine.

            Given the known available equipment as STANDARD WARGEAR a Marine realistically should have the following under the argument that if a Platoon Commander can have one surly the Imperium can create enough for a Space Marine to have one too..

            Refractor Field 5+ inv (IG Company Commanders + Ministroum Priests )

            Medi-pack as the armor has a drug injetor and the marine has advanced healing (FNP)

            Power Weapon or Power Fist (IG Platoon Commanders)

            All Commanders (sgt up) should have a Vox Caster (armor communications)

            At Commanders at least (sgt up) should have a Auspex (armor enhanced senses)

            Be immune or mitigate to night fight rules (armor enhanced senses)

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            The game mechanics do not represent how things work in the fluff. Marines don’t need refractory fields, usually. They roll 6s all the time.

  • Krizzab

    love those SC reapers… oh wait.

  • jack boland

    hahah so so dumb. 18 months for this?

  • Brian Murphy

    Ok, so Inceptors can drop in within 9″ of anyone, then unload NINE shots into them, then charge on their next round to unleash potentially 3 mortal wounds, plus six melee attacks, PLUS another nine shots from their guns?!?

    Ow!

    • Brian Murphy

      Sorry, should be “charge on their next turn” but still…

    • jack boland

      what a surprise, they give good rules to their worst designed/looking models… Means the neck beards have to buy them.

    • Karru

      Actually, it might be a safer bet to expect them to have 6 shots per model, as they have 2 of those things each.

    • GrenAcid

      Its 18 shots from this squad, 2x assault bolter each.

    • Jared McWilliams

      Not sure where the 9 shots are coming from during assault, their guns are not pistols despite how the model is holding them.

      Also three models may be 0-2 after overwatch fire…..depends on what they try to charge of course.

      The d6 chance for mortal wound comes in after overwatch.

  • Huntard

    I really hate the look of that Gravis armored captain. It just looks too long in the torso and in an awful pose.

    • Aura1

      Looks like the Death Guard from 30K era, the apron carapace add ons. A lot like some of the modern bomb proof suits in BDUs. Glad it’s just a MkX variant though, as I like Terminator armour to be an altogether different style to power armour.

  • TheFunnySide

    Is it now confimed that everyone can shoot all their weapons?
    Or is it two weapons? Or everything but your pistol?

  • GrenAcid

    Im kinda scared of those new marine-crisis suits, 18 HB shots on higly mobile platform…good thing that they dont have spare meat to soak wounds. Each kill meand big loss in firepower for them.

  • SilentPony

    Huh. I just realized the Serious Captain is just a scaled down Guilliman. Big sword, and a powerfist with built in bolter. Must have been Taco Tuesday and the design staff had to knock off early.

    • GnomesForge

      Yeah, having the interns reuse autocad files cuts down on costs and swells that sweet, sweet profit margin. But don’t you point that out or you’re a hater and probably mantic shill.

      • SilentPony

        Ha! Nice.

      • kloosterboer

        Hater. Mantic shill.

    • Drpx

      They watched Austin Powers. “I shall call him Minime.”

  • AEZ

    Not sure about those 6 shots, it’s not how aos does this… But the way the warscroll is build it might be correct

    • CthulhuDawg

      I’m also guessing that since they are separate pistols they will be able to split fire, like crisis bots.

      • GrenAcid

        Nope, unless they are vechicles, models in unit can chose difrent target, but only that.

        • CthulhuDawg

          Then what would be the point of giving them two. Wouldn’t they instead just say they’re equiped with Assault Bolters and making the profile Assault 6?

          • PiotrekEtoo

            Maybe other models will be able to get just one pistol and they did that so the profiles match

          • AircoolUK

            Or they have options to change their weapons. They’d be quite nasty with a Power Axe/Maul in one hand.

          • GrenAcid

            I think Im geting old now…..that reply made me speachless for solid 2 min.
            They have 2 hands, they use 2 guns.
            Thats simple logic, followed by simple math 3×2…if this is somehow problem I think you might enjoy something more simple than 40k.

          • CthulhuDawg

            You must also be coming down with a bad case of dementia if you think my thought process is flawed. Especially in light of the rules leaks thus far. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day being a sod.

          • GrenAcid

            Nowere in stuff GW realised about 8ed are any remarks of single model from unit using 2 weapons on 2 difrent targets.
            Your thought proces might be solid but there is no logic in to it. Infantry model use all its wepons on target, you might choose difrent targets for difrent models in unit, but idea that my marine gonna shot bolter in one, than pistol in other and trow a granage on 3rd is plain wrong as it would take massive amout of time to resolve one shoothing phase and 8ed is supose to be faster.
            Sorry for shooting you in the knee.

          • AEZ

            It’s also logical to just get the whole weapon entry in one line (assault 6).

          • AEZ

            This seems a better approach.

          • Crevab

            They made the model then came up with rules for it. It’s how the design studio works

  • PrimoFederalist

    Placed in “high orbit”? Do you even science, bro? Seriously, a dude in power armor (even Mk X!) not survive reentry, especially from high orbit. I’ve been concerned they’re starting to lose the “science” in “science fiction” – especially after moving away from the methodical, thought out process of making Space Marines to a 10,000 year old Mary Sue magicking tens of thousands of even more better marines into existence.

    • GrenAcid

      Reeeeeeeeee!
      I want reason in game about space elves and magic from another dimension.
      You sound kinda silly.

      • Karru

        In the Slightly Unpleasant Dim Lighting of the 42nd Millenium, there is no science.

      • AircoolUK

        Not forgetting of course that, in 10000 years, no-one has managed to figure out that a mechanic clock is just a bunch of springs and sprockets, and not some mystical artefact that needs appeasing with prayers, candles, incense and oils before winding it up.

        How does this spring work? Magic and God.

        Well, that’s my PhD in Physics & Hard Sci-Fi sorted out.

        • Aura1

          To be fair my co-workers talk to their computers and gadgets all the time. Course it’s less praise and more swearing and threats. But then the Daemons inside the apps are evil.

      • Thomas

        Yes! You should never demand or expect anything better from fantasy fiction, because magic! You should be grateful for atrocious writing, because warp powers!

    • CthulhuDawg

      Tell me how you feel about The Warp?

      • GnomesForge

        Oh right we forgot. Obviously because this is a sci Fi with fantasy elements the writers can ignore science at any time they feel regardless of how absurd. but muh feelz. It’s like a golden age of story telling <3.

    • Severius_Tolluck

      You do know that in the fluff they test termie and stronger armors by physically dropping them from orbit and seeing if they survive reentry?

    • Darkcat

      If the Tau can do it! So can we. Push a space marine from battlebarge in orbit and hope in The Emperor he survive the drop.

    • Aura1

      Ceramite is surely better than ceramic shielding on re-entry vehicles of today’s returnable spacecraft. And terminator armour is based on suits for working inside plasma reactors. Also, it may not be high orbit (depending on the relative size of the world/atmospheric density you compare to) but humans have leapt from the stratosphere with a parachute and lived, so as much as I dislike the Mary Sue Marines background, there sounds like jump pack equipped dudes with mind bogglingly reinforced biology inside walking tank armour might not be too big a leap (excellent pun intended) for orbital jumps.

      But, seriously, I’m a fluff guy and I love some in universe reasoning but we’re talking about a future where magicians can defy ageing by using mind powers and the most popular weapon in a titanic battlefield is based on the chainsaw.

  • Slaanesh Devotee

    Well, all I can say is models that shoot with two weapons had better at least suffer from minus one or two to hit, otherwise… come on~

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      3 models in a squad. Light them up and move on with your life.

      • Darkcat

        But I’m a Tau player… How can I kill someting that powerfull… Only if I had a similar unit with dual weapon’s and some kind jump or jetpack.

  • Ulrik

    Important info (IMO) from discussion on GW FB.

    “In the mean time, we most certainly have no forgotten about the Adepta Sororitas; they will be receiving full rules support on release in the Imperium 2 Index book.”

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      I does not say that on the cover. I wonder if they are confusing Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle.

      • Ulrik

        I guess they are under Agents of Imperium…or the cover is simply too small for, lets be honest, fringe army…still Im glad that Celestine will have her sisters 🙂

      • Karru

        Talons of the Emperor contains Sisters of Silence and Custodes, same as in 7th edition.

        Imperial Agents contain Sisters of Battle, same as in 7th edition.

    • GnomesForge

      Only really matters of they get models.

  • Mr.Gold

    I am just waiting on the Gravis Terminators they might bring out at some point… (T5 & 2+)

  • Bigalmoney666

    So a 5 man tac squad of classic marines is power level 5 and that gets you 5 bolters. The Inceptor squad is power level 8. and gets you 6 heavy bolters w/ jump packs.
    Will someone explain to me how classic tac marines will offer some kind of tactical flexibility that is not available to the nuMarines?

    • Someone

      Power levels not points, it’s intended for quick play and narrative games and is loosely based on the full combat potential for a unit.

      Primaris units have zero options, what you see above with the assault bolters is the only equipment option the unit gets – including the sergeant.

      Whereas a tactical squad of five men can upgrade one model to a special weapon and load the sergeant down with gear as well.

      The points system for matched play is listed separately and will include more discrete competition based points, including different points for different weapon options – so in that system there would be a bigger difference between the total points of 5 Bolter equipped Tactical Marines and 3 Inceptors.

    • Thomas

      They can take a single Heavy and a single Special weapon though! That makes them much better than the tougher, more manoeuvrable, better-equipped guys! They’re totally still a viable unit and are not going to be squatted!

      • Bigalmoney666

        You can only take 1 special weapon for a 5 man tactical squad.

  • Tushan

    So still no primaris assault or melee squads?

    In the box we get a really weak shooty 5 man tactical, a good shooty 5 man plasma tactical and a small squad of flying guys with a HB each that are scared of ending up in melee.

    • Viper666.Qc

      Guilliman realised that Shooting was king during the last 3 editions so decided to make every Primaris units shooting-oriented

      • Drpx

        And he read all the Tau posts on the Internet talking about “realistically, shooting should always be better than melee.”

  • Danny Carr

    Taking his equipment into account that captain isn’t THAT far away from the stats released for 8th edition Guiliman (though no special rules or equipment), the space marines version of an Avatar or Daemon. The Primaris captains have clearly been eating their wheaties.

    Inceptors put out a ton of fire and can still assault. All the while having more mobility and toughness than a tac combat squad.

    Hellblastas look like they’ll bring a beautiful amount of specials to the table.

    Intercessors look like slightly souped up tacs with no spec or heavy.

    I’m really curious how GW are going to balance Primaris and old marines. Usually I’m curious how balanced an army is in relation to another army (then cry because GW apparently hates Tyranids and Dark Eldar). This is the first time I’m wondering if an entire army is been made useless by the new editions to my own army, usually new units are exciting. Hopefully it’s all balanced with everything having a role that can make it effective. If that’s not how it will be and Primaris are just flat out the better choice then I’d rather they just went truescale with the entire space marine range instead of this inbetween they’ve chosen with the Primaris.

    • Drpx

      Hopefully is the first step on the road to nerd rage.

    • Thomas

      “I’m really curious how GW are going to balance Primaris and old marines.”

      They’re not going to balance them. They’re going to make them better by miles, throw out some token BS about how they’re “less flexible” then wait a few years before squatting the entire Trumarine line and retconning it so they never existed at all (or all got magically upgraded by this new super-tech that Cawl pulled out his bunghole).

  • Sleeplessknight

    You think Inceptors are wacky strong? Just wait and see what’s in store when Sigmar opens up the Extremis Chamber!

    Er… Guilliman, I mean’t to say Guilliman.

  • Spacefrisian

    So astronaut armour makes you tougher, good to know.

  • Isolfr

    So where does it say they can fire both assault bolters each shooting phase?

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Gun-shields on pistols…

    Oh no…

  • MechBattler
  • Boondox

    Are these just the standard statlines for the base units? I don’t see options for weapons upgrades or adding additonal marines. Would that mean the Inceptor squad can only be fielded in units of 3?