40K: It’s All Getting Bigger

The Primaris Marines aren’t the only ones getting bigger.

When the Primaris Marines arrived It looked like they were going to be the way to make the new range physically more appealing than the existing Marine range.  It’s an easy and effective trick.  Make the new faction slightly superior in stats (hello W2), and make them physically imposing.

At the end of the day we all play a physical hobby and unless you are a hardcore WAAC tourney player, appearances DO matter.

Then I saw the Death Guard models.

As a long term Death Guard player I am very familiar with the existing range.  The new models should certainly be more detailed. They should be more dynamic. They should be sculpted using the latest digital techniques from 2017.

But should they be bigger?

And not a little bigger – a LOT bigger. Because they are.

Take a look at this:

Left Typhus – Right Lord of Contagion

Left metal Plague Marine – right New plastic Plague Marine

 

What’s Going On?

Some of this is fine. There’s not too much of a scale difference between the Lord of Contagion and Typhus. Characters have been slowly getting bigger, but the lower image is the one that gets me. The new Plague Marines are GIANTS compared to all the previous minis. Not only in volume and girth, but height.  It looks like GW has scaled the Plague Marines up to be fitting opponents to the new Primaris models.  It does make them more impressive and imposing on the tabletop. They are fantastic looking and a pleasure to paint.

But again – it makes no sense according to the fluff.  It makes the existing range of Plague Marines look like merely “CSMs with Mark of Nurgle” Which may be what happens to all the  previous models.

In any case I think it’s a harbinger of things to come.  We will have to wait to see the next set of 8th Edition minis that aren’t Primaris or Death guard to see what’s up. but I have a suspicion that bigger minis is the way of the future for 40K.

~What do you think?

 

 

  • Brian Griffith

    Smart money says Typhus gets a new model that’s more on par with the Lord of Contagion when the Death Guard codex rolls around.

    • tau fan

      yeah i dont have the rules but i heard hes got cataphractii terminator armor now which the old model does not :/

      • Aye, it gives him a 4+ Inv but halves the dice results on his advances.

  • Eric Smith

    Ohhhhhhh no. That just sucks. I can’t stand things being out of scale. I have an entire Death Guard army that is like 95% converted. I tried to make the metal models not look so static. Plus, lots of completely converted Power and Terminator armor models. Hmmmm, well, I might be hanging up the hobby. 😕

    • Nathaniel Wright

      lol put your stuff on ebay

    • Skript

      You don’t like the hobby? I mean playing, building, painting?

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Ignore the mocking. I sympathise. Feels like GW has invalidated your hard work.

      • Eric Smith

        On a side note, about an hour after my original post, it occurred to me, that maybe this will not affect my Orks, Daemons, Chaos traitors, or if anything, my Dark Elder.

        • euansmith

          The new guys are supposed to be “bloated with the corrupting power of the warp”; so sort of Chaos Champions. I guess you could add in a unit or two of Nu Plague Marines as The Chosen of Nurgle or some such. Your regular Plague Marines would give them a sense of scale.

        • Daniel Jenkinson

          Not necessarily maybe the death guard are bigger because they are 10000 year down the line of plague marinedom you could field yours as traitor marines that joined them later and arnt as far down that line yet

          • ChaplainOrion

            Yeah that sounds like the best approach.

          • Robomummy

            traitor primaris marines maybe?

      • Hussein Alobaidi

        This ^

      • GrenAcid

        I never saw GW saying old models are no longer viable. Have U?
        Stop whining, you look like a spoiled kid.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          stop insulting people, as soon as you insult people you reveal that you have no logical argument to make your point.

          Are you really unable to understand this marketing strategy? I will explain it to you simply, one sentence at a time.

          GW know that gamers have huge collections.

          Therefore gamers often don’t need to buy new minis.

          GW also know that they are competing against their own products available through Ebay.
          Therefore even when people expand their collections, they often do so from Ebay.

          Both these issues (large, pre-existing collections and the huge pool of secondhand minis) reduce GW’s profit.

          The purpose of scale creep is to solve these problems.

          The purpose of scale creep is to make old collections and secondhand minis visually unattractive, particularly when seen alongside new bigger minis.

          GW are deliberately seeking to make your collection, and mine, and everyone else’s, look rubbish.

          Understand?

          • YetAnotherFacelessMan

            Your collection does look like rubbish. My collection looks like rubbish. I’m looking at a chaos marine right now and I’m like “argh, I can’t wait for them to release a new chaos kit so I can toss you in the bin.” Scale creep aside, quality creep alone is enough for me. My old devastators got shelved super fast when the new kit came out with those fancy new devastator pants and cooler sergeant backpack.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            My collection looks good, by itself. If I play against new Tsons or Primaris though it looks like its from a different manufacturer or even a different game. Looks ridiculous. Thats what I am angry with GW for.

            Also no point in adding new units because they won’t match the old. And its far less subtle than a cool backpack design. Makes my collection instantly into a period piece not an ongoing work.

          • GrenAcid

            You must be rly underage or insecure to consider “kid” as insult my special friend.
            No one cares about your or mine collection, GW is a company, they have to make money, they dont care if you consider your colection perfect. No one dose.
            As long as they do cool minis I dont care either.
            Is that logical enough for you kido?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            you are a weird guy if you think I was insulted by ‘kid’. I am 45, it would be nice if someone thought I was a kid!

            I care about my collection. I care about how other people feel about their collections too, because I have compassion, and am not an @rsehole.

            Even GW care about people’s collections, or rather they care about customer satisfaction, loyalty, and affection for the brand. These things affect their profits.

          • GrenAcid

            “stop insulting people, as soon as you insult people you reveal that you have no logical argument to make your point.”
            Your words.
            But that bring nothing to the convo, I get that for some people making new better(subjective) models mights invalidate those already done. But for me and I think many others new models bring life and chalange to the hobby.
            “I care about my collection. I care about how other people feel about their collections too, because I have compassion, and am not an @rsehole”
            But you sound like woman. Facts matter, feels dont. GW need to sell, thats a fact. Anything else dont matter as long as GW gets money since without them there is no Warhammer. Customer satisfaction is achived by quality products and service, loyality is very subjective and as long as they try to make things better and iteresting for us they got affection for the brand covered(since its their life I guess they care).
            You might be 45 but you act like entilded kid.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            If I wanted to insult you, you’d know it, trust me. Your posts give me plenty of ammunition.

            Anyhow now you use the word woman as an insult. That really is pathetic, and I don’t care if you interpret that as an insult. Do you hate women or something, that you would use the word as an insult? Personally I think women are great, I like them so much I married one. Check your calender, its 2017, not 1817.

            Better models replacing old ones is one thing, but scale creep isn’t about better, its about bigger. Bigger to make the old models look bad.

    • Crevab

      If you can’t stand things out of scale, how have you lasted with GW so long?

    • Michael Poulsen

      The bait is too strong

    • Drew

      You actually may be the one who gets away clean- if you’ve got all the plague marines you need already, you won’t need the new guys, and nothing will be out of scale! Just grab the book and you’re good.

      The new characters will be a LITTLE big, but that’s OK, they’re swollen with the power of chaos. SM characters are always a little bigger than their troops.

    • Boondox

      I still have a demi-company of RTB01 Marines and 1st Ed. Rhino’s that I field as part of my Crimson Fists army alongside all of the other Space Marines I’ve acquired in the past 30 years. Be proud of your efforts and how well your miniatures look regardless of their scale or the size of the new ones.

    • georgelabour

      Forge the narrative bud!

      Those aren’t out of scale old models. They’re victims of dreaded ‘Small boneitus’ a daemonic contagion that shrinks the body into a more compact state even as it hardens it from damage.

      That’s why they’re tinier, but can totally destroy other models when you hurl them against one another.

    • Fergie0044

      They might serve as more elite guys in a death guard army. Chosen maybe? Or as champions for your current squads?
      I’m thinking my current plague marines will be down graded to regular marines with MoN and use these new guys are my new plague marines. But then I only have 14 old ones so my loss isn’t as bad.

    • kobalt60

      Post a link when you burn your models

    • ☕ Rich Brimson ☕

      But then look at it this way – you now have more variety in your army (should you choose to buy the models). Chaos is weird, and the marines have been in and out of the Eye of Terror for yonks, and some more than others. So I think a difference in scale can suitably reflect that.

    • YetAnotherFacelessMan

      I’m sorry that your work no longer fills you with pride. If you aren’t enjoying yourself anymore, you can always do something else. Don’t let anyone guilt you into staying in the hobby if you don’t want to.

      That being said, if your miniatures looked good to you yesterday, chances are they still look good now. GW is going to make better versions of old miniatures, that’s just the march of time. If these new guys appeal to you, you can buy some. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too.

      Keep playing the miniatures you put effort into, start a new army of new death guard, start a new army of anything else, or do anything else with your money or time… just do what makes you happy, man.

    • Duane Roland

      I also have a large metal Death Guard army with many conversion done with dremel, jewlers saw, blood and tears.

      I LOVE seeing the new Plague Marines. They are dynamic, powerful and massive. Much more in scale what a Marine in general should be relative to the normal human scale models and I can’t wait to change my entire army over with time. It’s great that Chaos and especially the Plague Marines are getting some long over due attention. 🙂

  • Sam Nolton

    Does this game even count as 28mm scale anymore? >.>

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      28mm Guard would look like Bolt Action minis, not those abominations that are the IG models

      • kevinharoun

        Would be amazing to have actual 28mm IG. Plastic Vostroyans? =D

      • Luca Lacchini

        Yup. Most say that the oldMarines were undersized and the nuMarines are actually in proper scale size (well, they’re more proportioned).
        Unfortunately it’s the human-type troopers like IG and such that are comically oversized.
        The scale creep does not bother me too much at the moment, unless we reach the AoS level with Slaughterpriests and such that are true 54mm models in a 30mm game.

      • CloakingDonkey

        Bolt Action isn’t really 28mm either… They do the same big head big hands shenanigans that GW used to do back in ye olden days of metal.

        If you want to see some 28mm true scale look at Perry/Victrix/Warlord Games plastics for Napoleonics 😉

        modern GW is bulky even for 35mm scale.

        • euansmith

          That said, I’ve become so acclimatised to Heroic Scale over the years, that other minis look wimpy to me.

          • CloakingDonkey

            I know what you mean. It certainly was a bit of a culture shock when I started collecting historicals xD

          • euansmith

            Their heads! They are so tiny!

  • Loki Nahat

    sad times, the studio’s been taken over by gundam and CoD fans

    • AircoolUK

      Call of Duty? Where did that come from?

      GW miniatures inspired by Call of Duty? Did someone start that rumour as a joke?

      • NagaBaboon

        I think he’s referring to the Reiver skull faces

      • Loki Nahat

        google skull helmet CoD, there you go, welcome to the internet

        • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

          The fixation on the skull helmets is kinda weird to me, since Astartes have had similar skull helmets for nearly two decades before CoD existed.

          I mean sure, if you want to say that the “tacticool” design elements might owe something to the popularity of modern FPSs, you might have something? But the skull helms aren’t the best place to make your point about that.

          • Loki Nahat

            Yes. Thoroughly reseved for chaplains.

        • Amon-Alex69

          Hey heard the Legion of the Damned ? I think they disagree ..

        • CloakingDonkey

          those masks are only in CoD because real world mercenaries have been wearing them for years… Not everything is a video game mate, I think you might need to get out more 😛

          • Loki Nahat

            Real world paintballers yes, military, grow up

          • Foxdonut

            Hey he said mercenaries, don’t lump us military in with those losers.

          • Loki Nahat

            Well, quite.

            Sunday soldiers, schmaybe anyone with a hint of professionalism or regs, noway

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Not only certain security contractors, but even members of the US special forces have been known to wear them. So.. The point still stands. Now, that being said, only maybe 4-10 operators have ever worn it, but that one photo inspires tons of people.
            Besides other marines have had skull helmets that were not chaplains and that goes far back.

          • Txabi Etxebarrieta

            No, actually, really real world contractors and US soldiers both have. Generally special forces folks have more lax dress codes than other units. And during particularly brutal troop surges (Iraq 2006 comes to mind) balaclava prints and designs might have been officially forbidden but rarely enforced.

          • CloakingDonkey

            or, you know, instead of being insufferable, you could just do a google search and see how incredibly wrong and sheltered you are internet cowboy. Are these real enough for you?
            https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/soldier-300×3003.jpg
            http://www.kahramananews.com/wp-content/files_mf/1419177134dddddddd.jpg
            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vmLs-x2TT9c/SaBWvU3pj3I/AAAAAAAAAJU/I2IN36bWc-4/s400/ARMY+soldier+skull+mask.jpg

          • Loki Nahat

            no, they’re really not, ISAF and ISL do not count as “Real world militaries”, and the US army guy taking the mick in a chinook doesn’t count, they’re not “special forces” other than being incredibly “special” in the sense they want to be seen and the last guy looks like he’s doing it for farts and giggles

        • dynath

          I figured you were referring to the massive amount of weapon pouches on every marine now. They are just slapped everywhere. Scull faces are stupid but why does every marine carry a dozen purses into combat.

      • kobalt60

        CoD invented skulls. The world began in 2014, nothing existed before that. Welcome to the world of the millennial

    • ZeeLobby

      Lol. Yup

    • Txabi Etxebarrieta

      Eh? I’ll definitely concede that CoD made the skull face masks more visible, but that’s been a staple in Western militaries for a while. The Iraqi army was even wearing them before CoD made it fashionable for nerds.

      It’s also kind of hard to argue that skull masks are out of place in a setting where even the masonry has skulls in it.

      • Loki Nahat

        No one says they’re out of place, out of setting on a bloody scout marine? Yes.

        • They aren’t scouts though. Scouts used to be Neophytes. These are infiltrating terror troupes specialized on melee. Close, but not the same.

          • Loki Nahat

            Delusionally out of place in the astartes battle line, a force painted sometimes lumious green because of the fear induced by the enemy knowing they’re facing transhumans sent by the god emperor.

            Not some paintballing weekenders trying to scare the heebie jeebies out of some extragalactical spawned horror

          • Txabi Etxebarrieta

            That’s a fairly one dimensional view of how warfare is conducted in the 41st millennium. Every chapter has its own doctrines, chapter tactics, and specializations. Not every chapter is interested in announcing their presence to the enemy at all times. The Nightlords, Raven Guard, and Alpha Legion all developed stealth-based tactics as a whole chapter. Outside of that, there are chapters who haven’t made stealth their shtick that still have excellent stealth capabilities. Ravenwing scouts are supposed to be really good at what they do, as are Wolf Scouts.

            Additionally, it’s worth noting that all this takes place within relatively orthodox views on the Codex Astartes, which seems to be loosening under the rule of Guilliman anyways.

          • kobalt60

            You realize he’s either trolling, or ignorant, or some fantastic amalgam of both. Wasting your time in any case.

  • NNextremNN

    The new models were just made the right scale they always should have been bigger.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Nope

      • NNextremNN

        Space Marines were always supposed to be bigger than humans.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          they were bigger than humans, until the plastic Catachans. In fact I blame them, and the plastic Cadians, for this whole issue. They were totally out of proportion to everything else in the range, especially Marines, and then GW grimly clung to them well past their sell by date.

          • kobalt60

            The RTb01 marines towered over the imperial guard models. They were so much bigger in fact that they didn’t share a land speeder kit either. In fact, it’s widely known that 40k itself started in 1995, and was preceded by nothing. Stop posting as if you were a hoary old vet it’s clear you’re not

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            The plastic Catachans were released during 3rd if I remember correctly, long after the RTB01 marines were gone. Not sure if that was still the time of metal bodied plastic armed marines or if the successor kit to RTB01 was out by then, but RTB01 was no longer a thing.

            The plastic Catachans have always been oversized compared to Marines, and the Cadians were similar. Are you getting confused about the first generation of plastic Imperial Guard? The ones that came in a box of 36?

          • Loki Nahat

            if it started in “1995” as you incorrectly state, bright spark, how do you explain us all owning 2nd edition in 1993?

          • kobalt60

            Thank you for proving what I suspected

          • Loki Nahat

            That you’re wrong? You’re welcome kiddo

      • AircoolUK

        Yep. They’re supposed to be giants.

        • It’s not the Space Marine models that were wrong. It were the Imperial Guard (and other human) models that were too big for 28mm.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. They were running around with sausage fingers and bobbleheads. If you look at any other range it’s pretty obvious.

          • Nurgle426

            Yes, that’s true. It was the new Cadian’s if I remember right.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            True dat. I thought they were fixing it, the cultists and skitarii look suitably delicate next to a marine, then they did huge Tsons and Chosen and it all went to sh1t again. Now we have normal humans, huge humans, tiny marines, huge marines and huger marines. What a pig’s @rse.

  • Drpx

    If they don’t update the Khorne range soon, he’s going to be that stereotype about short people.

    • David ‘Gilly’ Gillam

      I want some new Khorne Berzerkers 🙁

  • Doc Noble

    The old plague marines have been a head shorter than regular marines for a long time. They’ve needed an update for decades. Compare the new plague marines to regular Chaos Marines and you’ll get a better idea of scale creep

  • Nate Grey

    Of course cult/legion marines should be bigger! They’re scarier than normal marines and they’re the same marines that have been attacking the Imperium for 10,000 years!

    • And they grow by attacking over 10k years? Not to mention that actually the warp is messing up time, many don’t actually live for 10k years, but far less.

    • Atharius

      They don’t live any longer than a normal marine save for the daemon-touched ones. Heretic marines have their own recruiting planets just like the loyalists do. Not to mention the fact that they steal loyalist geneseed stock whenever they can.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Have they turned into orkd who get bigger through fighting?

      • AircoolUK

        They can sprout tentacular appendages, extra eyes and limbs, but for some reason, can’t get any taller?

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Well now it seems they can, though for the previous 30 years of model releases the answer was no.

          Spot the problem?

          • Lion El’ Jonson

            For me its more the tentacles then the size. I always liked my Nurgle marines as bloated plague vectors, with nothing toooo chaosy aside from that

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            tentacles used to be a Tzeentch thing, or maybe Slaanesh. I guess its just a chaos thing now since the Chosen have them too. Kind of odd design choice. Looking at my old Nurgle models the motifs are bulging size, mouths in odd places, horns, antlers, single eyes, things in threes, protruding guts, maggots, crustiness, boils, wounds, but no tentacles really.

          • Lion El’ Jonson

            That’s why I still prefer the Forgeworld Plague marines as the gold standard for Nurgle models. They have all the hallmarks of what I want in a Plague marine. I even love that some of them don’t sport guts, but they all look ruined regardless.

      • Rafał Pytlak

        Well if you absorb warp energies for millenia i would say you will grow a feet or two. Both figuratively and litteraly 😉

        • euansmith

          😀 😀 😀

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Haha 🙂

    • D. B.

      Fluff has been saying about Plague Marines for ages that Nurgle’s Blessing makes them massive colossi of putrid flesh. They’re not true-scale; they’re correctly sized for heroic scale IMO.

  • Martin

    Ironically they are now probably less effective than they have ever been!

    • They aren’t.

      • Martin

        They were much stronger in combat in previous editions thanks to multiple attacks and plague knives that did more than the current version. Now they don’t even have bolt pistols to fire (unlike pretty much every other marine in the game). Their endurance is also diminished by multi-wound weapons because you have to make your 5+ endurance roll against each wound. Previously you made a single 5+ roll for anything that was less than Str 10. All that for a base 21 points! Worst plague marines ever, albeit with the best models.

        • AircoolUK

          Their Disgustingly Resilient is pretty good though as it can shrug off mortal wounds.

          Even the zombie poxwalkers can shrug off mortal wounds.

          • Martin

            Yes, but unlike previously it is very unlikely to shrug off a hit from an Auto-cannon, Missile-launcher or Las-cannon.

          • AircoolUK

            …as it should be. However if the enemy is firing their heavy weapons at your infantry, they’re not firing it at your armour, yes?

          • Drew

            On the other hand, it’s much more likely your characters will survive said multi-damage hit, because you get a chance to save against each point of damage, rather than one all-or-nothing chance against the whole hit. You have 5 chances to roll a 5+ and take 3 or 4 of those 5 wounds and still be alive rather than one shot to take none or die horribly.

            To be fair, shrugging off a lascannon is a bit much even for a plague marine, anyway.

          • Koen Diepen Van

            Well it wasn’t in 7th. No mater if the wound came from a bolter or a lascannon you would save it on a 5+ so yes he is correct they got worse.

          • Drew

            Depends on what’s hitting them. A strength 10 weapon would still kill a Plague Marine character outright if they failed their one chance to save, where now they get a number of chances equal to the damage to save part of the hit.

          • Koen Diepen Van

            yea and how manny S10 weapons are there compared to how manny multi dammmage lower strenght weapons. They got worse. No way about it

          • YetAnotherFacelessMan

            Also, don’t forget that your warlord can get Tenacious Survivor. If you get it on a terminator, that’s a 4+ against even a lascannon, followed by a 5+ against each point of damage, followed by a 6+ against any of those that failed… or do it in reverse. Take the Tenacious Survivor first, that way you can save the Disgustingly Resilient for last, in case you need to spend command point rerolls.

        • I’d say you’re thinking a bit too much in isolation here. 8th has shaken up things for all units.

          • Martin

            Whether the changes are “as it should be” (whatever that means in a fantasy setting) or if the factions characters are OK or not the actual plague marine unit is worse than it was before, by quite a lot.

  • Anasa

    Back in December, I noted how big the new Rubrics were compared to the old ones. Should have taken heed of what was to come…

    • YetAnotherFacelessMan

      The old ones are tiny. They stand shoulder-to-shoulder with guardsmen. I’m holding an old metal deathguard and a guardsman in my hands and it’s even worse for them. The deathguard is actually shorter than the guardsman.

      • Anasa

        I know that feeling. Bought some second hand CSM once and they included a few metallic csm:s and terminators. Boy, are they TINY.

  • As someone with a very small collection of minis I’m happy with larger marines, the new ones are a better scale compared to guard.

    I imagine that we will see this scale creep (or leap) across the board for the most part. I can definitely see Orks going bigger ala Ironjawz.

    • Manwiththedogs

      I’m betting they leave the existing humans / eldar / tau at the scale they currently are. This Primaris business is GW getting Space Marines to the scale they feel they ought to be in comparison.

      • Agreed. I imagine they will revisit some of the races for an overhaul though keep the same size. I’m still expecting the Eldar to get a make over as more turn to the new faction and they kinda turn the clock back to a pre-fall aesthetic, like the dude in the red armour.

        • Manwiththedogs

          I can certainly see the Ynnari getting their own units. I wonder how GW is going to tackle the aspect warriors? They really need plastic kits but that is a whole lot of plastic and GW don’t seem to like replacing existing things when they can add new things to the mix.

          • I get the feeling they are a bit stumped there and thats one reason why they have gone the death god route so they can hit the reset button. It’d be a shame if the aspect warriors don’t get some good new kits.

      • Hussein Alobaidi

        I hope so

  • kevinharoun

    32mm is so much easier to paint. Loved the WWX models for that.

    • AircoolUK

      Agreed, although some people would have you believe that it’s just a cynical ruse by GW to get you to buy more paint.

      • orionburn

        How dare they scale the models up and not the paint pots to match! Those greedy bastages!!! lol

      • eMtoN

        Can confirm. I’ve bought a crap ton of paint lately.

  • Randy Randalman

    Right, but this means Skitaari Rangers, Termagants, and Cadian troopers are closer to their size and scale next to the new Marines (and Chaos Marines).

  • Chet Atkinson

    The GW scale is ‘heroic’ not 28mm or 32mm – it’s crazy how guardsman are about the same height as a Space Marine. Am chuffed that the new models are bigger – seem to be more fitting. Also it means that the older models are going to be more like Squats in height 😉 Return of the Squats by the back door

    • Grasshopper

      “You wanted Squats? Look in your shelf: You had Squats all along! It’s a miracle!”

  • Manwiththedogs

    I don’t think we’re seeing an across the board scale up. What we are seeing is the beginning of GW’s long term game plan for the Adeptus Astartes. They’ll start off as Primaris but a decade from now they’ll be the only marines.

    • NagaBaboon

      Probably. And even if that happens in 10 years no one will stop you using your ‘vintage’ marine figures with the new rules, people are just worried that their lovingly collected and painted armies are going to be made redundant but I don’t think they need too.

    • Amon-Alex69

      I think they may update de Chaos Cult Marines as we have to see nuBerserks who I guess will be next, and then maybe next year the Noise Marines.. Even so why should anyone stop use models because they’re not “the good” size ?

      • Manwiththedogs

        I never said anyone should stop using small marines of any sort. I personally am hesitant to collect anything that could face something as drastic as a scale change, even if it does take years to get there.

  • General_Seedykay

    “I have a suspicion that bigger minis is the way of the future for 40K.” You’d better hope not, otherwise one day Primaris sized Catachans will appear and screw up the scaling. Ten years later, GW try to fix everything with ‘Maximus Marines’ the size of Action Men :p

  • Tshiva keln

    Bad comparison using old metal models. They have been undersized for years. But yes, I agree they are getting bigger and it will continue.

    • AircoolUK

      Yeah, even Tau have a more impressive stature than my old metal Marines, even though the metal Marines are better proportioned.

      I expect another reason for the scale increase is so they can share the same design roots as Stormcast Eternals; you’ve got your skeleton in CAD and a few clicks will cover it in either Stormcast armour or Marine armour. On top of that, let’s not forget that GW will be attempting to put third party ‘honestly not Space Marine’ manufacturers out of business.

      However, to do that, all they need to do is make upgrade sprue’s available to buy.

      • euansmith

        The heads and shoulder pads (two of the mainstays of the 3rd Party Market) have apparently remained unchanged.

  • RAKSHA

    Even before 8th edition hit the shelves lots of players new what will happen to old models of all space marines/chaos they will be gone soon replaced by new bigger toys..so don’t buy old stuff guys this will be gone soon…I’m space wolves player and I’m bit worried what will happen to all this fluff in space wolve armies..are they will be gone like wolves..or maybe we will have primaris thunder wolve cavalry..future is dark and grim

    • euansmith

      Primaris Wolves will be too big to ride Thunderwolves, who they will keep as pets and hunting dogs. Primaris Wolves will ride in to battle on Fenrisian Mammoths.

      • Lion El’ Jonson

        Suddenly tempted to put a primaris on a thundertusk….

        • euansmith

          Now that would be a great mini.

  • Dan Brown

    Does mean my eyes can see things better on larger models. My painting on the other hand won’t get any better.
    Larger models don’t worry me. Even compared to my old lead miniatures.

    • AircoolUK

      I’ll agree with you there. I can’t see anything up close whilst wearing my contact lenses, but when painting mini’s I can’t see the instructions without putting them right in front of my face 🙂

  • FluffyPanda

    They’re obviously planning to replace the entire SM range with “Primaris” marines, they only needed the new name because they couldn’t invalidate and replace hundreds of SKUs overnight.

    The Primaris size is the new standard for anything that is or was a marine. And that’s good, since the existing marine designs are cool in isolation, but always looked stunted next to a guardsman or inquisitor.

    • AircoolUK

      …and they really do look silly compared to the new marines. Some of my best painted miniatures now look like they’ve got bobble heads.

  • AircoolUK

    It’s all a matter of perspective…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXypyrutq_M

  • Timotheus

    Quite critical article for BoLS-standards, a pleasant surprise…

  • David Leimbach

    As the player base gets older, and their eyesight gets worse, GW kindly has created larger models to make assembling and painting easier.

    • benn grimm

      Lol, so nice of them 🙂

  • Rafał Pytlak

    Lord of Contagion could easy be the new Typhus. Just convert him a scythe and voila!
    And why the DG are bigger is explained in the fluff – Nurgle saw Primaris marines and thought his children need an even playing field and filled them with more “chaos energy” that buffed them like Super Shredder. Why he didin’t do that millenia ago to win…well , that’s an entirely different story…

  • I’m not seeing the issue personally.

  • OldHat

    But how old are those Plague Marines? And the Typhus? Those are OLD models. Comparing 15+ year old sculpts to new ones isn’t going to get you much of a reading on scale. Compare the Typhus to his FW model maybe? Or the Plague Marines to the newer Mk3 kits?

    • It still shows size creep going on.

      • OldHat

        There has been “size creep” since the games inception. Why are people freaking out about it now? It isn’t like our Marines stayed the same scale as the RT Era stuff forever. They have grown every single time there has been a new release.

        • Sure. But that wasn’t the point of my comment 😉

          • OldHat

            I doubt anyone is really freaking out now, or was then. Good models are good, nothing is invalid, so what is to freak out about?

  • Horus84cmd

    It seems to me all the designers are doing is getting the scales correct, between races, across the ranges. They did it with WFB years ago when they updated the Empire, Skeletons, High Elves; evidently AoS is a different ball game in that regards as it was reset on the entire universe. It is just that now 40K is getting that treatment; If you look at the Scions they are far more correctly proportioned to the Cadian or Catachan counterparts; with feet hands, and gear better scaled. I’d be pretty sure whenever GW look at updating the Cadians/Catachans kits they will get rescaled to be more “human” sized. Could Orks get tweaked a litter, perhaps, but then again they are probably about right, given how much the stoop and bend their legs; and the Orks have a good internal range scale from boyz to warbosses. We’ll all have to wait and see on that front.

  • Commissar Molotov

    Glad I’ve already got all the (properly sized) Death Guard I’ll ever need. Seriously, Gee Dub – you’re making the decision not to buy new models VERY easy to make!

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      dont they look a bit small next to guardsmen?

      • Commissar Molotov

        They’re in the old 28mm “heroic” scale, and they only get fielded next to my Wargames Factory zombies who are also “old-sized.” They’re the early 3rd ed. “pickelhaube” helmet Plague Marines with the Prussian spikes – they had some nice dynamic poses and the choice of plastic arms so you could get some good variation in the units.

        • thereturnofsuppuppers

          Wow, those are old guys.

          I’ve still got some of the monopose plastics. They are gonna sit pride of place along side my new ‘giant’ plaguemarines.

  • Hagwert

    The real test will be when they update the imperial guard and what scale they choose to represent them at because they are the yard stick as normal humans by which every other troop type and race in the game is measured.

  • Eaglebach

    Guilliman takes over and makes both his friends and foes work out like crazy. Now everyone is buffed and ripped

    • memitchell

      Primaris Marines are “juicing.” They should have the ‘Roid Rage ability.

  • Krizzab

    “look at me lowly untersmarine dread, i have knees!!!!”

  • Ravingbantha

    Anyone else notice that several of the Death Guard are wearing Primaris armor?

  • alberto alderighi

    that is correct and as it should be csm dedicated to 1 god and for long into eye fo terror are actually bigger and stronger than a normal csm/sm

  • JPMcMillen

    Scale creep is happening all over the industry. First we had 25mm, then 28mm. Now 32mm is becoming more common and even 35mm is cropping up. Not only does it make mixing mini’s a bit of a problem, terrain pieces now have the problem of possibly being too big or too small compared to other terrain pieces and the miniatures around them.

  • thereturnofsuppuppers

    good

  • Son_of_Corax_XIX

    Slow news day again? This is old news that the size has slowly increased due to developments in technology. Two the Typhus model has been undesized since creation and hasnt stood up well just like Kharn didnt

  • Bugsculptor

    Can’t wait for my primaris termagants.

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Strange, indeed. Dislike for inconsistency here.

  • kobalt60

    Omg, I just discovered GW changed the scale of their models with 8th edition. The sky, it falls http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c1b782ad16e07f2b9702d7903cad6b6cbc966fb79236fc38aff6c4d47af0c26.png

  • Lord Stark

    Well, they are servants of the god of disease, so a little swelling isn’t that unexpected.

  • Dan Wilson

    According to the fluff the new warp storms that have engulfed the galaxy have “supercharged” chaos marines.

  • piglette

    I like the new models, but at the same time I’d like my miniatures to stay miniature. All these big chunky models are fun, but I kind of want some 10 or 15 mm to balance it out 😂

  • Matthew Pomeroy

    I am not liking models getting bigger, especially with the points going towards more models, and the board size staying the same. I hate the land raider and monolith for how big they are.

  • MechBattler

    It fits the fluff. There are multiple books where plague marines have been described as being significantly bigger than other marines. That’s because Nurgle’s power causes them to grow and get swole. It always bugged me that the Plague Marine models just looked like zombie marines and weren’t any bigger than the rest.
    These bigger beefier models feel truer to the fiction.

  • YetAnotherFacelessMan

    The metal deathguard are soooooo small. Put them next to a regular old small plastic marine. Tiny.

  • frank

    I like my small minis saw this massive scale creep start with Bloodbowl which is kinda why it amazed me they re-released old teams with no changes they do not look like their done to scale next to each other.
    I have a suspicion that the primaris space marines are not supposed to be larger scale than normal marines in the story line but are more like technologically advanced versions of space marines with their scale having little to do with the changes in space marines size themselves. this just seems to be the direction gw is going overall. ill still play with my old models but they will look odd when i add more to my armies.
    Ps anyone know what the plague cultists look like compared to normal guard or old cultists might be able to gauge the change better that way than new death guard to old death guard comparisons that way.

  • miniwar monger

    I like the jump in scale. Finally Space Marines are taller than Imperial Guardsman.

    I wish they just gave us true scale marines without all this primaris crap which they so awkwardly shoved into the 40k fluff. It sucks and has been executed without grace.

    After all we all should know GW wants to replace every Space Marine out there with a primaris marine.

    There will never again be a release for old scale marines.