Primaris Marines: Metal Muscles & Reinforcements

Phil Kelly showed off the mystery Primaris organs and details on some of the new and old chapters who got Primaris support.

Phil Kelly sat down on Warhammer TV and talked Primaris space marines. More importantly he put up a couple big shots from the upcoming Space Marine codex.

Primaris Reinforcements

Here’s a spread of 8 chapters both new and old who have gotten some help from Cawl’s new project.

Fulminators: Created during a monster electrical storm on mars, the original Aspirants have been in stasis for 8000 years!

Genesis Chapter: Created from the most noble of the Ultramarines post-heresy. Devotees to the Primarch.

Black Consuls: Hidden behind Phil and Rob… its a mystery.

Eagle Warriors: Fleet based chapter who has lost some companies due to “the rift” across the Imperium.

Novamarines: Fierce adherents to the Codex Astartes – who are every crusading and have not fought as a single force since the 37th millenium.

Praetors of Orpheus: Follow the Codex Astartes to the letter, even if it causes friction with allies. They have quickly embraced Guillimans updates to the codex.

Silver Skulls: Supersitious fanatics who believe the Emperor guides their actions. They read signs and portents before acting.

Scythes of the Emperor: From almost wiped out by Tyranids to “Hey we have a bunch of Primaris Marines – THANKS CAWL!

 

Mystery Organs

Next we hit the mystery of the three new Primaris Organs:

Sinew Coils: Literally metal coils embedded in their muscles…

Magnificat: Half of the Primarch organ that provided extra bone and muscle growth hormones. I wonder what the other half did?

Belisarian Furnace: An internal emergency medical kit.  I guess that’s where the 2nd Wound comes from.

~ Have at it…

  • Jonathan Ellsworth

    but they still have s4 t4…

    • Randy Randalman

      But W2 and A2. T4 isn’t a problem anymore with instant death gone.

      • YetAnotherFacelessMan

        Seriously. S4 makes them twice as effective against T6/7 units as S3 units. Maybe you should make a hybrid of 40k and the tabletop games like Deathwatch? There’s only so much you can do with d6s, so you might find the d100s liberating.

      • NagaBaboon

        Yeah in game it’s fine, but the way they’re described totally sounds like they should at least
        have a higher S than standard marine if not also T

        • Heinz Fiction

          For some reason It’s always the Space Marine players who demand rules matching the ridiculous fluff.
          Maybe they think their codex is the only one claiming to be about the biggest, baddest, most awesome and dangerous warriors in the galaxy? Well it’s not.

          • Brother Eldrian

            Who is then? Eldar are pure trickery and Orks are…Orks…

          • NagaBaboon

            I’m a Tyranid player and I’ve been complaining for years that the Tyranids don’t match their fluff. What do they say about those who assume?

            EDIT: Or at least I had been pre 8th.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            What would you suggest for someone wanting to start a ‘starship troopers’ army in 8th.

            I want lots of bugs, maybe with a big monster at about 1000 points.

          • NagaBaboon

            Starship troopers? Hmm. I’d say you gotta have some trygons for the bug holes, and maybe some vevenors for other ground bursting shenanigans, and if you’re looking for endless, expendable skittering hordes I’d say hormagaunts are your best bet, though termagents are probably better, or genestealers, but you can’t afford as many of them. For the flying bugs you’ve got gargoyles, but they’re prob a bit small, tyranid shrikes would be good if you can be bothered to convert, otherwise it’ll be a flyrant, hive crone or harpy if you’re happy to go more monstrous. To round it off i’d say a tervigon would make a pretty good brain bug.

          • Heinz Fiction

            So you’d say the Nemesis of Malan’tai should be able to single-handedly destroy a craftworld worth of Eldar on the tabletop? Even the writers at GW realised it was a stupid concept by now…

          • NagaBaboon

            Literally no idea what point you’re trying to make dude. Are you agreeing with me in an arguement active way?

      • Brother Eldrian

        They have as much wounds as a 1 man tactical Squad and as many attacks. But a hit with a las cannon or melta may cost you twice the attacks.

    • euansmith

      Yeah, but they are at the top end of S4/T4. 😉

      As @YetAnotherFacelessMan:disqus said, their isn’t much wiggle room in 40k scale; even now they have removed the S10/T10 cap. GW could have taken the opportunity to swap out the system to one based on D10s or D20s, but there is something rather satisfying about a fistful of D6s.

      • NagaBaboon

        It’s not just the removal of the 10 cap that’s helped the spread, the way you wound now has too, because the dice roll isn’t always getting 1 better or worse for each point of T or S.

        so actually S 5 would only improve their ability to wound T4 units by 1 and T8 or 9 units by 1. That’d still be a big deal and I’m not saying they should do it, but the spread for wounding is no longer based on a d6, it’s based on equalling, doubling and halving S against T

  • piglette

    Thanks Belasarius

    • Spacefrisian

      The Cowlest men of the Imperium.

      • petrow84

        Don’t drink the Cowl-Aid?

  • palaeomerus

    Great blurts?

    • rtheom

      You’ve never had a great blurt? They’re super gross, but you feel wonderful afterward.

    • euansmith

      If that is the level of technical notation in Ad Mech specifications, it could go a long way towards explaining the stagnation of Human Science.

  • BaronSnakPak

    Usually when I show off my mysterious primaris organ I end up in the county jail for the weekend.

    • LOL

    • Rafał Pytlak

      Think about the children! Only show them to Commissars and Sororitas (in that order)

  • SilentPony

    Black Consuls were all but wiped out when the Iron Warriors detonated a Hive’s plasma generators, taking with them like 7 companies of the Consuls. Further losses were incurred when a Word Bearer’s fleet ambushed them.

    Some warriors managed to survive, and others were on extended service in the Deathwatch, multi-chapter operations, or rogue trader expeditions. Until the Primaris Marines, estimates put them at a little over 100.

  • Damon Sherman

    so, anyone actually excited about Primaris marines? Or, are you going to stick to old-fashioned marines?

    • Crevab

      Most folks around here seem to have wet themselves with excitement over the Primaris

    • AircoolUK

      I guess I’m now firmly in the Primaris camp as old marines now look like bobble-heads.

      • Ben_S

        Primaris marines haven’t changed what the old ones look like, only made it more obvious.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          The Primaris just updated our frame of reference

    • Kostas Pap Gus

      Stick to MK4 marines and to “the Horus Heresy” and 40K 7th edition.
      The 2nd counsil of Nikaea decided that 8th edition rulebooks and codices are products of heresy.

      If you are between 8-12 years old though it is ok to play the 8th.

      • Nate

        Why would I want to play 1 game of 7th when I can play in the same time 2-3 games of 8th with more tactics, balance and army variation? Streamlining doesn’t mean dumbed down, it means barriers of entry are removed for a larger player base. 8th is a solid and smart product.

        • Crevab

          lol

        • Spacefrisian

          Cause its new, some dont do new.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            I think that could explain a lot of the problems we see.

          • Douglas Nelson

            Must be hell for those people. Old men before they’re 50. “Back in my day it took 5 hours to play a game of 40k. AND it was uphill both ways. Taught us some respect Damnit.”

        • Richard Mitchell

          I don’t think rules are so much as a barrier to entry. There are plenty of miniature wargamers who are new to the hobby via Warmachine, Infinity, Malifaux, and especially X-Wing and Armada. What has always gotten in GWs way, is inflated costs and amount of monetary commitment to have an army.

          We are started another round of journeyman league at the store and picked up 8 new players even with 8th coming out. When a GW 2 players starter costs as much as a full army box from other games, 2 player starters that are equivalent to the point size you get out of the DE starter (half of what you need to really play the game) but is 80 bucks rather than 160, and your equivalent “Start Playing X” is 35 bucks it is hard for players to get in.

          Even with the reduced cost starters, glad they are cheap, but they are more suited for getting someone all in for Shadow War, rather than 40k. Ya you can hook them with what is basical a max squad of SM dudes worth of models but when you have to tell people “Oh ya you are going to need a lot more than one squad to play the game” new players will feel cheated than elated.

          Many other companies keep their model quality up by doing things like reducing the model size required to play to keep costs down, or they just don’t over inflate their costs (all models, including GW ones are all probably coming from the same Chinese factory anyway). At end of the day, GW is pushing a 15mm size game with a high quality 28mm models so cost will always be GWs greatest barrier to entry.

          • Douglas Nelson

            Most of my gaming group would look at the main rulebook and be horrified at its size. They could accept the model cost because they are cool looking but the misconception that the rules were 200 pages thick didn’t help things.

      • Horus84cmd

        Yep, thats the way to be “grown up” about plastic toy soldiers.

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        40k and Horus Heresy are baby games. Old fantasy vets have been laughing at you toddlers for years.

        Now we’re all dead. Only our husks remains, always jeering, spluttering under our breathe about your round bases.

        • Spacefrisian

          And bursting out of that (like a xenomorph) came age of Sigmar. 40k got the better deal i think.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            It looks like the xenomorph has created an AoS hybrid inside 40k. We can only hope it will create the perfect killing machine.

    • Spacefrisian

      I am, now i want a captain riding a Helldrake. Obviously of the most awesome glorious Primaris chapter of all the Gloryhammers.

    • Xodis

      Depending on how the game moves forward, both. I’ve never actually gotten around to starting my Marine army, and every time I am about to, something new pops up and makes me rethink it, and then I fall back on my CSM/Eldar/Necron armies for safety (because they dont change too much lol). As long as miniMarines stay around in the fluff and on the shelves I might still include them.

    • Drpx

      Two wound Veterans who can’t fit in a rhino, meh. Inceptors are the only thing looks interesting to me.

    • thereturnofsuppuppers

      never played spacemarines, but quite like the new dreadnoughts. Probably build a few of them.

    • Commissar Molotov

      I’m going to pretend this never happened, much like I’m ignoring Biel-Tan splintering, the Eldar worshipping a Slaaneshii Death God, Cadia blowing up, and Space Wolves riding giant doggies.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Primaris are cool!

  • Rafał Pytlak

    Soo…Scythes were almost dead (tyranid bugs and all that jazz) and now they are back at full force, now with the side of primaris, yay?
    It kinda cheapens they’re sacrifice in the war with the tyranid fleet

    • Severius_Tolluck

      Never said they are at full force, just that they got some primaris reinforcements. Numbers could still be very low.

      • GWELLS

        Actually the fluff mentions that they are basically at fall strength now. Guilliman chose them as one of the new chapters to guard ultramar so he bulked them up with new warriors. Now they are chapter strength but almost all Primaris Marines now with some survivor original marines mixed in.

        So you could see it as a new beginning. The old perished to the Tyranids, but a new chapter has risen to pick up the torch.

        • Deathwing

          If I recall correctly they stated that “normal” marines could be upgraded to primaris. As such the entire Sythes chapter could be primaris with just a handful of “old veterans” left in various positions across the chapter to provide some historical depth and perspective influence to current tactical and strategic planning and operations. Its how I would do it anyway. Same thing different xenos for Crimson Fists.

          • GWELLS

            You are correct. For all practical purposes the Scythes are a Primaris chapter now and should probably be treated as such going forward.Which to be honest I am ok with, these guys have basically been on the brink of extinction in the fluff going back decades, I was saying either kill them or save them but do something. They decided to save them.

            Now given the opportunity they probably could give the Tyranids another go if given the opportunity. Beforehand that would have been a suicide stand, now they could actually do stuff.

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      It has been a hundred years or more since that happened.

      • Rafał Pytlak

        Really? I could swear it was like 997-998.m41. So 3 years before 13th Crusade. Were’t they slowly fading around time tyranids attacked Baal?

        On another topic: I want Primaris Mantis Warriors refuel the ranks of the chapter after ending the Badab penitent crusade a few decades before Dark Imperium. I won’t even mention Primaris Carcharodons…(mouthwatering noises)

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          The new edition picks up right as Guilliman’s hundred year long crusade is wrapping up.

          • Rafał Pytlak

            Oh, right, but i thought you ment 103 years before now -> now being Fall of Cadia. My bad, math be damned! 😉

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            it is 100+ after the fall (i.e. into the 42nd millennium). 🙂

          • Rafał Pytlak

            Yeah i know, i dont know why i thought you were refering to a date 100 years before that

        • GWELLS

          I am kinda hoping they do this to help the Mantis Warriors and Lamanters. Both those Chapters could use a pick-me-up.

  • MrLodgik

    The thing is… one would think that Guilliman would be F-king pissed that chapters now follow the codex to the letter like blind lemmings ? for a legion that loved tactical diversity …

  • BT

    I still Lament for the Lamenters.

    • GWELLS

      Maybe the Primaris Marines could be their salvation. They have being doing wonders for other chapters like the Novamarines and the Scythes of the Emperor. I know for sure the Crimson Fists could use some of them.

  • MechBattler

    So… Cawl turned them all into Iron Hands?