Primaris Points and Rules Roundup

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More details about the new Primaris Models, including some points to go with their rules.

Primaris Marines are the Primary focus of the upcoming new releases. Well, them and the Death Guard–but for now, we’ve already seen previews of the Primaris Captain, Primaris Librarian, and the skull-faced shock troops known as the Primaris Reivers. Well along with the pre-order preview of the primer came points for the new Primaris, as well as a few special rules for Librarians and Captains.

We’ve got the .pdf below, but let’s all take a moment to appreciate the (presumed) strength of will it has taken for them not to release a model called the Primaris Princeps as of yet. Although, GW, if you’re listening–that one’s free. You’re welcome.

via Warhammer Community

First up, if you were wondering how your Primaris Captains and Librarians would fit in a non-Ultramarines army, there’s no need to fear–they’ll fit in much the same way as regular Space Marine Captains and Librarians. Their Primaris counterparts still gain access to the rules that make Dark Angels or Space Angels Wolves unique.

As you can see Dark Angels Librarians gain Deathwing as a keyword and Unforgiven, Space Wolves Librarians get their special Tempestas disciplines.

This does illustrate one of the more complex things about 8th Edition. When you start mix and matching forces–since there aren’t any USRs anymore, you have to point out who gets what, and you have to come out and say it explicitly. Yes, of course it makes sense for a Dark Angel Primaris to be Dark Angel-y. But if you look at some of the recent FAQs, when you start mixing Militarum with Genestealer Cults, or Harlequins and Craftworld Eldar in Ynnari forces–there are a lot of components that you have to keep track of.

An app will help, but, this seems to be the place where many rules questions will pop up. For now.

Anyway, moving on, here we’ve got a look at how much these new units will cost.

Not too bad. A full squad of 10 Reivers will cost you 180 points. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them carrying the Master-crafted Stalker bolt rifles (in addition to the Primaris Captain), given what we know about their role as ‘stealthy’ shock troops. Massive, sneaky skull-faced giants in bright-blue armo(u)r. Hey the bright blue paint just means they like a challenge.

And with Captains coming in at 87 and Librarians coming in at 93–you get some pretty good bang for your buck. We covered their rules in an earlier article, but the gist of it is, Primaris Libarians can manifest two powers and carry all the usual gear, Captains get the Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle (if they want) and an Iron Halo among other things–it’s good times. They can endure a lot of punishment–and dish out a fair amount themselves.

All in all, exciting stuff is in store for 40K.

Be sure and stay tuned this week for more news and a look at some of the other Starter Kits for 8th Edition!

  • benn grimm

    So many slightly bigger things to look forward to; slightly bigger terminators, slightly bigger Land Raider, slightly bigger land speeder and the bright blue cherry on the primaris Christmas tree of slightly awesomer; a slightly bigger thunderhawk! Still in slightly warped resin coz lols…Can’t wait…;)

    • Krizzab

      and slightly expensive in money.

      • Cergorach

        No, a LOT more expensive money wise.

        • I dunno… 3 “Easy to build” models cost 12€. You need at least 5 at best 10. That means if you want 10 dudes, you gotta buy 12 and that makes it 48€. I don’t wanna know what ‘non-easy-to-build’ guys will cost.

      • benn grimm

        Space marine players are far too awesome at life to worry about something as lame and pedestrian as money…;)

        • Shawn

          Oh I wish that were true Ben! LOL.

    • memitchell

      It ain’t that they are slightly bigger. It’s that they make old marines look slightly slight.

      • Spacefrisian

        Dwarfmarines faction, better make a dex for it that is 90% the same as the marines dex, just like the requested Black Templar dex.

        • Viper666.Qc

          Add some beards and the Squats are back baby!

      • benn grimm

        Like lil weird power armored munchkins…;)

    • Well, the Dread actually isn’t just slightly bigger. It’s slightly bigger than a Leviathan and that one is actually quite huge compared to a regular Dread.

      • benn grimm

        I love how say it isnt then next line you say it is, make your mind up fella…;) Anyway, where did I mention dreadnoughts?

        • I think you missed something important when reading my reply.

          • benn grimm

            I think you’re the one missing something important…

          • DangerBeaver

            Hendarions comment reads fine to me. Just took your comment a step further to include the dread, as you included units not previously discussed is all.

          • benn grimm

            Possibly I should have put a disclaimer on the original comment; ‘this is a joke and is in no way meant to be taken seriously and/or cause offense’ but I guess I kinda thought that it was obvious from the tone and context. Clearly not to all and I apologize profusely for being so wrong. Yes I am being sarcastic.

          • DangerBeaver

            Time to take your position in the penitent engine.

            Hrm, would the Thing strapped in there require it to also be slightly bigger. Let’s not run down that rabbit hole. 😉

          • benn grimm

            Lol 🙂

          • My comment was not meant to be taken as an offense either. It’s just that, a comment. And since you said “so many slightly bigger things”, I wanted to point out, that the Dead is noticeably bigger. That’s all. No need to go over the top and get angry or something.

          • benn grimm

            Came across pretty snarky tbh, which I found a little baffling since I was just having a bit of a joke. Maybe it’s just a miscommunication. No hard feelings.

  • dave long island

    ‘Never trust a man with tubes coming out of his head’ -Armaments Chapter 2 verse 9.

    • euansmith

      They suck out the ghosts.

  • Reivers come in squads of 5-10? So much for the easy-to-build 3 packs, then. Need at least two for a functional squad and 3 won’t cut it at full capacity. Why not have the supposed scout unit come in at 3 minimum and call it a day?

    • AircoolUK

      ‘cos that’s the way they’ve always done it. The cheap, single pose boxes were for beginners, painters or to just bulk up your squads.

      There’ll be unit sized multi pose kits in the future, just as always.

      • They have always done it this way but with the way things are, it is no less inconvenient now than it was 5-10 years ago.

        Bulking up your squads with 3 dudes at a time, especially when they’re part of a starter set, is just a clumsy way to go about it when the full kits will be either 5 or 10 dudes per box. You’ll either have 8 or 13. Had they simply said these scout dudes only need 3 guys to be legal to play, the problem would’ve evaporated pretty elegantly.

        • I would have bought a box of 3 actually. But then I saw I need at least 5 and changed my mind.

        • NagaBaboon

          It does say 5-10 and not 5 or 10 so maybe you can take 6? I’m not really excusing the stupidity of selling them in 3s, just pointing it out. I think the models look rubbish anyway, I’d at least have to fill in the skinny ankle bits with green stuff before I could bare to paint them.

        • DangerBeaver

          [Stirs in his rocking chair] In my day starting with Roguetrader we had to build all our squads 2 models per blister at the time. AND WE LIKED IT!

          • I remember. That time didn’t end for a long long time. Well into the 2000s. Most squads were arranged in 10s though, and in WHFB you needed 4 per row. So 2 isn’t that terrible. Imagine they were blisters of 3 instead!

    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      I guess sometimes you can just pass with the points for 3 if you jost got 3 in total.

      In casual games i do not see a problem.

      • In casual games that is unlikely to be an issue, sure, but it certainly wouldn’t have hurt them to lower the minimum dude requirement and made a single box, or starter set kit, legal to field as a unit outside of casual games or scenarios for the set.

        • Maitre Lord Ironfist

          If they did that, the normal box would not sel lthat good. Why buy 2 more expensive boxes if i cound buy 1 and 1 cheap?

          • NNextremNN

            It’s the first time they do this all other starting boxes or spin off board games boxes had complete minimum sized squads in them. And I think this is a downgrade to the old ways but this is the “new” Games Workshop which is much better than the old one …

          • euansmith

            Yeah, its like “New Labour” but without all the lies and ill judged military interventions.

          • NNextremNN

            I never really understood that “new” GW stuff anyway. I was good with 2015/2016 7th edition old GW with 2017 new GW I have some problems …

          • euansmith

            I think it is more to do with everything outside of the minis and rules; the sense that they are emerging from the bunker and taking note of their surroundings.

            Of course, if they paid attention to the change in the gaming environment, we might have seen an end to the terrible “I-Go-U-Go” turn sequence; with the inclusion of options for players to react out of sequence (like in Infinity), or to alternate unit activation (like in a variety of games).

          • NNextremNN

            I don’t know much about these other games. I do think that: “I shoot (and do other stuff) with everything I have and they you can do the same with whatever you have left” is a little strange. But I don’t know how to easily solve this in a boardgame.

          • euansmith

            Infinity use “I-Go-U-Go”; however, when a unit gets shot at, or sees an enemy unit take any action in its line of sight, it can make a reaction. It can evade or return fire. This mitigates against the effects of one side getting to take a complete turn before the other side.

            In alternating games, you chose a unit and do all of its phases. This does mean you can struggle to pull off coordinated attacks, unless you view the end of each turn, after all the units have acted, as being a snapshot of the developing battle.

            I actually like GW’s system for its LoTR games, where one player moves all of their units, and then the opponent moves all of their units, and then combat is resolved. This allows for both coordinated actions on the part of both players, and reaction on the part of the second player.

          • NNextremNN

            Any action in LOS this sounds like a lot of things in 40K might be easier in Infinity which from what I understood is a smaller squad based game.

            Chose a unit do all of it’s phases. Some 40K games are big and feature a lot of units I think they want to avoid more markers and discussions about what units already acted and which didn’t.

            The Fire Emblem Video game has a counter attack mechanic. Where you could get you unit killed if you attack the wrong enemy. Maybe Overwatch should extend to the shooting phase too. Maybe units shooting at each other should both get a chance at shooting.

          • euansmith

            In Infinity you have a force of maybe eight to a dozen minis per side, which often act as separate teams (I’m ignoring Link Teams here), so the actual number of game elements you are using is similar to a game of 40k.

            I can see not wanting to add activation markers to game.

            In Infinity, all combat is reactive; so the the attacker rolls some dice, and the target rolls some dice, and the loser takes damage. The reacting unit normally gets a lot less dice than the attacking unit. I could see a system for 40k where any unit that gets shot at gets to shoot back after removing casualties; like close combat. Heck they could even use that as a way to penalise heavy weapons; effectively giving them Shooting Initiative -1 if the moved.

          • NNextremNN

            They could even make shooting orders assault > rapid fire > grenades > heavy > macro. This would made range and weapon choices much more important.

      • Kami

        they have a specific rule for fielding understrength units. it is entirely legal and the first one is free. after that you pay for 5 get 3. it’s suboptimal but it’s not illegal

    • Spacefrisian

      Get 2 box use the remaining for a Captain.

      Also its 5 to 10 anyways, not 5or 10.

      • Yes, thank you, I know how the numbers work 😉

        That still makes the 3 dude boxes pretty clumsy. You still need two boxes for one functional squad and have one excess, 3 boxes have one too few for the maximum and 4 have two excess skulldudes.

        It’d take 5 boxes to get up to 1 and a half squads or 3 at minimum strength, and even buying an additional full kit later on will either add 5 or 10.

    • Dylan Pettersson

      In matched play you can just use them as an understrength unit

      • …and pay the full points costs for the entire minimum squad requirement, while having two models less on the table than you paid for. A stopgap fix that could’ve been entirely avoided by GW.

        • James_33

          Per the FAQ, if you’re using Power Ratings, an understrength unit still pays the Power Rating cost of a minimum-sized unit. However, if you are using points, you only pay the points for the models you actually have in the unit.

          • If that’s the case, then the minimum doesn’t make any sense for matched play at all. Why not simply buy only one dude and give him a special weapon then?

          • Bakvrad

            Because most squads say, you get the special weapon, when you have atleast 5 guys (or whatever their minimum is)

          • Well, Eldar Aspect squads don’t. So basically you could field an entire army of single Exarchs running around.

          • Bakvrad

            That’s actually a good point, space marine sergeants with combi weapons would also be possible.

      • Kami

        I’m pretty sure the FAQ only let’s you bring 1 understrength unit.
        it’s for those and people like me who only own one zoanthrope and now they have a minimum size if 3

  • AircoolUK

    MMmmmmmmmmmmm I doubt you’d see master crafted weapons on ordinary troops. Maybe the sniper version of the Bolt Rifle, but not a Master Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifle.

    • euansmith

      “Mastercrafted” is just the brand name. They are actually cheap knock-offs.

  • euansmith

    ” Hey the bright blue paint just means they like a challenge.”

    In obit over Proculor Prime, the Commander of the Utlrabarge Ultramarite turns to his orbital artillery co-coordinators.

    “Load the paint cannons with Utlramarine Blue and blanket the landing zone. The traitor scum will never spot our boys coming!”

    • Imperial Fists yellow will make things even funnier. 😀

  • Drpx

    So the Space Wolves use the Codex for toilet paper, behead Inquisitors who look at them funny, and do whatever they like to their tanks and the AdMech can suck it, but when Guilliman comes along and tells them he has a new process that will make better warriors for them than the ones they have Logan preorders a Legion.

    And don’t even get me started on the Dark Angels letting a bunch of imported marines into the Inner Circle.

    • Bakvrad

      For the space wolves: if they can fight and drink, why not? They have a problem filling up ranks anyway.
      For the dark angels: maybe the lion is already back, but they haven’t told us yet. On the other hand: a bunch of fallen were taken captive on terra, because they wanted to go to the emporer – at least I was told this way. Keeping their secret seems unnecessary by now…

      • euansmith

        “Where is Sori Bolterson?”

        “Snori is dead.”

        “Dead DRUNK!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!”

        “No, just dead. Snori is dead.”

        “Let us drink to the sage of Snori Bolterson!”

        “SNORI! Skál!!”

        • Bakvrad

          Ironically my name is Lukas, and i dreamed away everytime i read “mead”.
          Guess I didn’t have enough this weekend 😀

          • euansmith

            You’ve got “mead in th’ heed”, as our Scottish friends might say.

    • Xodis

      I doubt the Primaris in the Inner Circle are new since old Space Marines can get the Primaris upgrade.

  • joedecook

    Nice. The primaris librarian is the same cost a marine librarian. With one more wound and one more attack. Let the phase out of the regular marines begin!

    • euansmith

      If mini marines are subject to “phase out” will they get “living metal” too?

  • Jack Boland

    so sad to see the death of the space marine I grew up with and replaced with these.

    • euansmith

      There are still people using Rogue Trader era Space Marines in their games, despite it being over 25 yers since GW released any support for a Space Marine armed with a Shuriken Catapult. 😉 I’m sure folks will continue to roll out their “Classic” Marines for years to come.

      http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/857217f794bafcfbb8ab7f49acacbd42e6dd135a6ff9f8a460bd0f95b27e5fa9.jpg

      • Horus84cmd

        Haha yeah people have such short term memories to models getting refreshed.

        • NNextremNN

          Well not everyone is old enough to have started 25years ago … or didn’t have the money back then or both. It’s still nice to see such models I have seen unpainted metal minis and have now clue how those can look like this one.