FFG vs GW Product Lines Duke it Out

With GENCON50 behind us, the Warhammer vs Star Wars fight is heating up – and consumers are the winners!

You will recall that last September FFG and GW publicly parted ways, ending a long multi-year licensing deal.

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With FFG and GW now being the General Motors and Ford of the tabletop industry, their competing product lines are heating up in a play for the consumer’s hard earned dollars.  Let’s do a quick rundown to bring you up to speed:

Games Workshop:

A new energized GW focussed on the customer is here and hitting things out of the park, release after release after release.

Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition

The grimdark is the crown jewel of GW and is white hot with the recent launch of 8th Edition. The fans have embraced the new system, and it looks poised for major success. GW makes top shelf minis that continue to wow customers. A usual, they maintain an impressive weekly release schedule that keeps the plastic crack flowing.

Warhammer Age of Sigmar

The “new guy on the block” for GW is turning 3 this year and has found it’s sea legs. The General’s Handbook revitalized this game overnight and it is starting to really emerge as a unique high fantasy universe. Ranges like Kharadron Overlords are showing that GW is willing to break past tired fantasy tropes and make innovative new designs.

Specialist Games

From Shadow Wars Armageddon, to Necromunda, to Adeptus titanicus to  Blood Bowl, GW is bring back the fan favorites with modern technologies.  The sky is the limit on these products. they are getting GW back it’s roots in the boardgame / skirmish segments.

 

FFG

FFG has the Star Wars licence, perhaps one of the most potent on the planet and they are leveraging it into almost every sub-genre in the industry from tabletop to RPGs, boardgames to dice games, to card games. I’m sure more will be along soon. These are complemented with other non-Star Wars games testing new waters for FFG.

X-Wing

Now a staple in the industy, combining gorgeous pre-painted models, fast gameplay and one of the lowest barriers to entry for new players. X-wing has been the success story every other company out there wants to emulate.

Star Wars Armada

X-wing’s fleet based counterpart – lets the thinking admirals duke it out among the stars. The miniatures again are amazing and fans await the games’ continual expansion.

Star Wars Legion

Brand new out of GENCON50. Here is what everyone was waiting for. Tabletop miniature wargaming at roughly the same 30mm scale of 40k, set in the Star Wars universe.  The minis look nice, the price point is solid, and the gameplay is fast, easy to learn and combines familiar elements of Star Wars Armada, and Runewars. Again – the Star Wars License sells itself.

Runewars

Runewars has 3 factions out now with a 4th unveiled at GENCON. FFG’s take on a fantasy rank & file game with a hobby element is pushing into new waters for the company and putting other companies on notice.

 

For the first time in decades it looks like the “grand tabletop miniatures” market now has multiple top shelf companies out there pushing top quality games. I have no idea what the future will hold for all of these products, but the word on the floor of GENCON50 from almost every vendor was unexpected record sales. We are truly in a golden age of tabletop and it looks to be growing into mainstream culture more every year.

~It’s great time to be a tabletop gamer – what do you think of GW and FFG’s offerings as of now?

 

  • Xodis

    Im very interested in Legion, but its going to take more than a Imperial vs Rebel battle to get me to bite. Plenty of factions throughout the SWU to justify a smaller scale “army” game, and Imperial vs Rebels is just BORING!

    • SonoftheMountain

      maybe boring, but there’s really no other way to start it since FF seems reluctant for whatever reason to delve into the prequel era. But Republic vs CIS would be great

      • Xodis

        Exactly, even the Clone wars would have given us a better starting point than more Rebellion era stuff.

        • Drew_Da_Destroya

          The Clone Wars stink of the Prequels, while the Rebellion era is still what the majority of the public thinks of when someone says “Star Wars”.

          • Xodis

            Sure, but lets be honest…..who is likely to buy a miniature war game like this?
            Majority of the public who member Star Wars or Star Wars fans that know WAY more than the movies could ever tell us?

          • ZeeLobby

            Probably both to be honest… I guarantee people would swarm out to buy the new Kylo, and I thought he was a horrible character, lol. A bunch of people my wife’s age love the prequels as well. Hopefully they just expand it to all.

          • Xodis

            You are probably right, Star Wars can sell anything to anyone it seems.
            I enjoy the prequel movies as well, other than Anakin in the second movie.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. The plots of the prequels were actually solid plots. Some of the characters were just cringe-worthy.

          • Xodis

            Yeah, he did become a decent actor after some classes though lol

          • No amount of acting lessons can fix Lucas’ writing though, God some of the lines from sith

          • Xodis

            Yeah….most people dont know about how many people he asked for help and got involved just to fix all the dialogue and the story itself for the original Trilogy.

          • Yeah, exactly, back when he was young and unsure enough of himself to ask for help and not surrounded by yes men lol

          • euansmith

            “I don’t like sand…” must surely rank with “To be, or not to be…” as an expression of existential angst. 😉

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Still can’t beat “These bats were bred for only one purpose (*dramatic pause*)…War!”.

          • euansmith

            Kylo was my favourite part of the new movies (not counting Rogue One). I liked that he is the spoiled, stroppy, tantrum prone, spotty teenager that Anakin should have been. Kylo trashing his bedroom in a strop was the high point for me. What a tosser 😀

          • ZeeLobby

            LOL

          • ZeeLobby

            Even more importantly, I really hope they create rules for custom Jedi/Sith, etc. Would love a strong HQ character creation system.

          • Xodis

            That would be awesome, but out of place in the “Rebellion era”. Its why the Clone Wars would have made a much better starting point IMO.

            Imperials/Republic, Seperatists (Droids, Mandolorians, etc..), Jedi, Sith, different gang organizations, any literally everyone else was involved.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I mean I don’t think we have to count it out yet. I could totally see expansions explore the past and future. I mean X-Wing has definitely taken ships from throughout the SW universe. Fingers crossed!

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            Yeah, but who’s more likely to see a box with some Stormtroopers on the shelf and think “Eh, my kid/grandkid could use a birthday present”

          • Xodis

            Depends on which shelf these go on. I dont think you will see FFG boardgames in most “normal” or non specialized stores.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            Eh, I see X-Wing and Armada at Targets and Barnes and Nobles sometimes. I’m not sure we’d see Legion there, but it’s possible.

          • Xodis

            I do see the beginner boxes there, that is true, but I think that goes back again to the ease of play, and not requiring any paint or assembly. Ive never seen IA at Target or B&N, but supposedly B&N carries them.
            It reminds me of those new GW boxes that was suppose to be from Black Reach, never saw them hit any of the local stores.

          • Drew_Da_Destroya

            Yeah, those never did quite appear, did they? Thought they were supposed to be at like AC Moore and the like.

      • af

        Maybe because the prequel era is terrible? (Ok, ok, some of the cartoons are ok).

    • zeno666

      Aye, I said the same thing about X-Wing. Jumped on the game when Scum & Villany got released.
      I hope Legion is played as a skirmish game. Not 40k, a game that should be 15’ish mm…
      Because I want to deploy the four IG-88s and that should be my force 🙂

      • euansmith

        I’ll want a K-2S0 and the ability to field the Firefly Crew from Wild West Exodus as a Scum & Villainy Crew; aimin’ to misbehave.

      • af

        You thought Imperials vs Rebels was boring? My, my. All I can think of when I think of Star Wars IS Empire vs Rebels. And Leia’s golden bikini, that too. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys? Have you never played X-Wing or Tie Fighter (the awesome videogames)? Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, Corellian Corvettes… that’s where it’s at. And why you should be playing Armada 🙂

        • zeno666

          Not boring. I wanted some more flavour though.
          There are other factions in the Star Wars universe.
          If you can only see Empire vs Rebels, well you will be happy from the start I guess.
          But in a skirmish game there would opportunities to throw in Jabbas henchmen, The Black Sun, sandpeople, jawas heck maybe even ewoks.

  • Runewars hasn’t had a lot of traction where I am.

    Legion will have traction based solely on the star wars name, but people are concerned that with only two factions that it won’t be nearly as strong as 40k.

    I think if FFG sticks solely with the imperials vs rebels thing that they aren’t going to have the amount of success that they could.

    • ZeeLobby

      I still think Runewars struggles with only 2.5 factions available. I mean I get why they did the release schedule they did, but it’s tough to get communities involved when there’s so few options.

      • Thats a valid perspective.

      • Cergorach

        Aren’t there four factions:
        – Humans
        – Undead
        – (Wood) Elves
        – Skorne knockoff

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. So far only humans and undead have been released. Even then they’re still waiting on some unit boxes. Elves just released, so they’re missing half, and I don’t think the skorne/daemons faction will be out for a month or two. They’ve announced all of them, FFG is very transparent with their release schedule, so you see things sooner but then they take a while to get over on the boat and distributed.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            I think it’s hilarious that someone says “that runewars skorne faction” and even people who have only seen the models know exactly what we’re talking about. Poor ffg; PP pretty much owns that pink demon-thing space.

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha. Yeah. Anything that’s red and spikey will forever be a skorne lookalike. It’s too bad because of the 4 Runewars factions, they’re definitely the most unique fluff wise as far as background goes.

          • Richard Mitchell

            Ya the day companies started copying PP was a milestone for their IP. That is when you know you have made the big time.

    • sergentzimm

      i worry about production. destiny died because of this around here. two factions says they are too

  • Flan man

    If its a Larry Vela article, its nothing but clickbate.

  • Arthfael

    I love star wars… but the inability of Lucas to control the Expanded Universe has killed it for me. And while Rogue One was good, Ep VII had already killed any hope I would become a fan of the Disney version. GW may not always create great fluff either, but they have never failed as spectacularly as this. So as much as I will always have a soft spot for Star Wars, my imagination is now firmly stuck in grim dark land.

    • ZeeLobby

      Don’t give up so soon! New director for VIII gives me hope. There’s also plenty of fiction outside of the movies which is actually pretty solid.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        loving my SWTOR 😀

        • Emprah

          SWTOR is pre disney…..

  • I_am_Alpharius

    I’m not FFG and GW are “duking it out” per sae. Personally, I think X-Wing is only as popular as it becuase of it’s Star Wars IP. Indeed FFG own all it’s success to external IP ventures and adapted rule systems. I’m never convinced they really do anything truly unique or inspiring.

    • Xodis

      I think the initial success was due to the IP, but the X-Wing success afterwars is likely due to the balance and the ease of introduction. Nothing says “we just want you to play!” Like prepainted (and not crappy prepainted, actually decent prepainted) models and simple rules.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        Perhaps – can’t say I’m convinced by that argument either.

      • Cergorach

        X-wing is a better game then 40k ever was. But, as with every other iteration of the SW IP, it will eventually end. I’ve been a 30 year fan of 40k and SW, the 40k IP is still with GW and it still produces the game (in altered form). For SW we’ve had WEG/Grenadier/Simtac metal miniatures, WotC plastic prepainted miniatures, Knight models and now FFG. First Imperial Assault and now Legion, in the period of three years we have a significant scale size, a scale change that not even GW has done in a period of three years. The only more egregious scale change is made by dp9 with Heavy Gear 1/87 (~20mm) to 1/144 (~12mm) within a period of two years…

        Also FFG has a history of great games, but a legacy of pump and dump of IP properties…

    • I’m not sure 40k’s Fantasy in Space is “truly unique” either, but I agree that I don’t think FFG and GW are really as directly competitive as they look on the surface.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        40k certainly was when it was first created – there was nothing else available like it out there. I’d agree that it perhaps waterdown a bit now and there are a lot more sci-fi worlds to compare it to now.

        • euansmith

          Before there was 40k, there was a toble top wargame set in a universe in which human civilization was in collapse after reaching the stars.

          http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb3afe1d29abcda1024f19af3d70800ac0a50ca57f829d44000c6c847e093ed2.png

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            thats a blast from the past!

          • euansmith

            £1.95! What a rip off!

          • James__P

            I had that! My copy died of old age year ago but I still have some of the Citadel Spacefarers range that I used to play it with. The bounty hunter that was basically Jonny Alpha from 200AD was my favourite.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            This should really be seen as part of the story of 40k. Its a shame more people haven’t heard of it. Man it was slow to play though…

          • euansmith

            You know that things were bad when old Laserburn players claim that Rogue Trader was too streamlined 😀

    • ZeeLobby

      Eh. FFG makes fun solid games with tight rules and good balance. I think people underestimate this a lot. The only thing that’s better than a solid IP is a solid IP with a good game behind it. I’d say their rules and mechanics are pretty inspired. Heck, it’s just refreshing to play a game that feels pointed appropriately, and gets adjusted fast.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        Perhaps – but would those games be as popular in the first place if it wasn’t for the attached bought in IP? I doubt it.

        • ZeeLobby

          Well of course not. But I fail to see how purchasing a good IP is a bad thing, and since it’s the IP they have, we’ll never know what they might have been able to do with their own. I definitely don’t think it would have been nearly as popular without good rules though. I mean look at the other extremely popular IPs that games are made around that are pretty lackluster and forgetful games. We’re inundated with IP based games these days that go nowhere.

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Never underestimate the power of fandom to buy and play just because of the IP, regardless of how poor a system is. Indeed, GW has relied on that, on and off, over the years.

            Buying in IP is, of course, not a inherently bad thing; afterall that their business model, and one that’s served them well. Yet strip all the IP away and what have you got? I’d hazard FFG would be in some bad financial do-do if Disney pulled the SW licence.

          • ZeeLobby

            Still probably the most successful space dogfighting game of all time (as far as X-Wing goes). I mean lets be honest, options before then were pretty slim. What’s sad is Armada has all but killed DFC and other space battle games locally. Sure that’s due to the IP, but people wouldn’t repeatedly play crappy games, nor would there be tournaments for them.

          • euansmith

            “Sure that’s due to the IP, but people wouldn’t repeatedly play crappy games, nor would there be tournaments for them.”

            Really? 😉

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha. Not indefinitely. And there wouldn’t be growth. I know what you’re referencing ;D, but to be fair it’s had 30+ years of ups and downs.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            The moaning cries of a thousand previously-browbeaten GW fans cry out in anguish upon the mere memory of the panoply of bitter memories and crappy game systems that quip could have been in reference to.

          • ZeeLobby

            Lol. Beautifully said.

          • euansmith
    • af

      Wasn’t X-Wing based on the pretty good Wings of War rules system? I can see how the Star Wars brand made it way more successful than a WWI/II theme would have, but still it’s a pretty good system.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        I believe so. Certainly was not very popular. Can’t comment on how good it was as I never played Wings of War.

        • af

          Of course it wouldn’t be as popular 🙂

          I own the two deluxe core boxes, WWI & WWII, but have only played WWI. The airplanes are as pretty as the ships from X-Wing and the rules are simple and fun.

  • ZeeLobby

    Man, if they do Armada/Legion integration in campaigns, that’ll be a huge thing for me.

    • SonoftheMountain

      you could add in all 3. Have Armada as the initial battle in the system. X-Wing is the dogfights above the planet, and then Legion as the ground campaign

      • ZeeLobby

        It’s the one thing GW has never done well. I had always hoped BFG would have been a mainstay that propelled campaigns going forward. Would have been awesome.

        • euansmith

          Battle for Endor? A space battle with a ground skirmish running at the same time?

          • ZeeLobby

            Dude, amazing. I really hope they do it.

    • Xodis

      Campaign books that tie the games together with missions, and goals that effect other missions would be AMAZING!!!! I was hoping GW would do something like that for ShadowWars, joint campaigns is a great way to bring a community together even if they dont play the same game.

      • ZeeLobby

        Yeah, that would be awesome. Who knows, maybe they still will.

  • Erik Kristiansen

    How are they duking it out? My interest in Star Wars is ZERO. I’m playing Runewars because GW decided to axe the game I preferred more… Warhammer Fantasy. What a pointless article.

    • ZeeLobby

      Two sci-fi tabletop wargames? I mean it is competition. Will have to see if it’s actually a duke-out. Although you have ZERO interest in SW, it’s probably a stretch to assume that no one does :D.

      • UnpluggedBeta

        My primary problem with SW ip is that none of the games will advance it. We’ll always be playing scenarios from the past with zero chance of moving any real narrative forward. GRANTED THAT WAS THE SAME PROBLEM WE HISTORICALLY HAD WITH 40K HAR HAR

        • ZeeLobby

          Eh. I dunno if that’s true. I think there’s always the possibility of them adding campaigns or community events that at least involve battles that weren’t in the movies. It’s really up to them (well and whatever Disney gave them the freedom to do.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            they did do the Corellia campaign. that was not in the movies or cartoons.

  • Francesco

    And Warmachine/horders? Is not a competitor? As far I know is the strong WH40k competitor out there (probably only in USA). Star Wars is not a FFG trademark, tomorrow (maybe between five years or before) Disney can change mind and want producing his own tabletop game division, also the margin FFG is not the some GW have with WH (GW own all the right for WH), for this points imo GW is not so worried about FFG and maybe looks with more attention to Prevateer Press.

    • Bahkara

      Sorry to break it to you, but PP is not, thanks to Mark 3

      • Francesco

        I’m not a PP fan and don’t play WM or Hordes, but I like the big tournament scenario and all involved around the game (No quarter, sometimg I grab some issue and I like what I see). So, why Mark 3 is a problem for PP? Until last years WM was behind WH40k. How did lost so much in less than a year?

        • Miniatures games have really boomed over the last few years, and new games are pulling players from both GW and PP. GW though, has the stronger IP and a large enough player base to absorb the losses. They’ve also have been making changes to keep players invested. Locally WM/H has been losing players to Guild Ball and Infinity.

          • ZeeLobby

            I’ve also seen WMH grow locally as well though. In the end these are just all anecdotal statistics. WMH tournament attendance is still pretty high, and I don’t think it’s going anywhere. MK3 at least didn’t torpedo it as some people claim. Just because they left the game doesn’t mean it’s dead (or more likely left the game and now just run around complaining about it :D)

          • I think the number of people playing multiple games has increased as well, so that’s made it difficult to keep track of where things are even on a local level.

          • Francesco

            probably is true, even if wargame 3d is very time consuming hobby

          • ZeeLobby

            Heck, that’s true of us, I feel like every month we’re playing something else.

          • Francesco

            To Guild ball? I think is a totally different game and appeal compared to WM. Maybe infinity, but again, is very different from WM.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I see people go to Guild Ball for the competitive aspect, but I personally have no desire to play a sports game on the table.

          • Francesco

            Agree, not my cup of tea. Was not aware Guild ball was so popular

          • euansmith

            They are doing well enough to start releasing their new teams in PVC rather than metal; so i guess things are looking good over at Steamforged Games.

          • I don’t play GB, but from what I’ve heard, the tight rule set and more relaxed community (at least locally) seems to be the appeal of GB to the WM/H crowd.

          • euansmith

            I looks to me to combine the kind of kind positioning and combo shenanigans that are the core of Warmahordes.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I am really looking forward to the Company of Iron.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            You and me both, brotha’

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I have a lot of weird stuff for the IKRPG that I can see being used as conversions for it 😀

          • ZeeLobby

            Yes! My friend and I were just talking about how tired we were of everything being tied to a named caster. It always feels like 2 bubbles running into each other. I really hope company of iron expands to the point where we can field armies without a caster.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I am sure it will, or will be capable of handling it, while I love their fluff and characters, I am interested in running my own or just not having them around for some fights.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            ….GuildBall? Is that even the same playerbase?

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I wouldnt think so, our local shop has guild ball players are all also our warmahorders and x-wingers

          • In my area, yes. Games are weird like that. The bulk of our Infinity players picked up the game after Fantasy got Sigmared. I might pick up GuildBall myself if I didn’t think I’d find myself suddenly single when my wife found out I bough into yet another game system.

      • ZeeLobby

        I mean that’s just random speculation. What we do know is that WMH is still in top 5 systems sold as of last year as far as independent distributors go.

        • Bahkara

          It literally killed the scene in southern California. When you have one of the top players, arguably in the world, switching to magic, that tells a lot.

          There are other issues that I see but too lazy to type. I think FFG and the new GW are contributing to the decline of PP

          • Francesco

            I still think PP is actually the strong GW competitor with two games in the first 5 position (2016). PP tournament system (seems) the best and game fluff and support is near if not the best (but again, I don’t play it). Also don’t understood what have so wrong MK3, for me is the some game with new statistics.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            From what I’ve gathered, people didn’t like how the game became dominated by theme lists and normal non-theme armies are lose a significant number of free models by not going theme. Themes limit your options, but at the same time provide a tremendous assortment of benefits; variety and flexibility are nice, but the sheer amount of stuff you get from theme makes playing outside of it a lesson in frustration.

          • ZeeLobby

            Probably to some degree. But this is how new editions always work. 7th killed 40K in the NE where it was pretty popular. 8th has brought a lot of people back, while in some other areas it’s dwindled. While there are definitely “indicators” I’ve seen people who grew tired of MK2, come back for MK3.

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          you would never know mark 3 is a problem around here, warmahordes is everywhere but the gw, and 40k is pretty much only played at gw, AoS is pretty much not played at all.

          • Francesco

            Despite older players hate it, Aos seems a big success for GW. Again, I don’t like AoS, at all to be honest, but again from a mere money point of view GW did the right move.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            most of what I have seen on AoS is negative, I played it off and on for a bit, but it was almost impossible to find others to play it. I think it is successful some places and not at all in others. It definately had that “new coke vs classic” battle, reminded me of the 4th edition D&D thing.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            It took a while for it to get back up to speed out here; things definitely got energized after lock and load though! And that’s even in the shadow of 8th edition 40k!

      • m3g4tr0n

        100% agree.

      • UnpluggedBeta

        That meme is sadly based in some truth thanks mostly to theme-machine :

        Still, people seem hyped about things going forward. The latest lock and load really galvanized the player base in both my area and areas I hear about online.

      • af

        What’s Mark 3?

  • Bobby Loggendogger

    star wars is so outdated and boring, it just doesn’t even look cool.

  • Petteri Heino

    I think i’m interested in Star Wars, but i dont need a new money pit. There is no way Star Wars competing with grim dark theme of Warhammer.

    I think GW might loose some gamers to FFG because they dont have miniatures that dont need assembling. I dont need to customize my miniatures so i would be pleased not needing to assemble the minis. At least GW has now also quite easy assemble minis.

    Anyhow… the theme is the reason why FFG is loser in my books.

    • ZeeLobby

      Eh, I think Star Wars does well competing with the modern comic-book style of 40K though (grimdark days are over, it’s all super hero Guilliman and bros now).

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        if its fluff only, there is certainly no competition, 40k never was and never will be as popular globally as star wars.

        • UnpluggedBeta

          It’s not a matter of fluff; star wars fluff is embarrassingly bad (almost as bad as GW black library fluff, har!). It’s the fact that Star wars has two and a half ultra popular, fondly remembered, big budget special effect blockbusters giving it its popularity.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            Jar Jar Binks is the most brill…I cant even finish that one 😀

      • Petteri Heino

        Well… for me Star Wars is just bland anyhow

        • ZeeLobby

          I can totally get that. Personally for me the new 40K is just as bleh though. Very Marvel Commicy.

          • UnpluggedBeta

            I couldn’t put my finger on it until you laid it bare: marvel commicy, dang. You’re right, that’s exactly what it feels like.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean not that it’s bad for them. It might help bring in the younger players. But for me it’s just not the dark gritty stuff that drew me in as a kid. It’s almost like a brand new IP with all the retcon, removal of mystery, and advancement of story.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            It is a brand new IP. Now we have three periods to game in, 30k, 40k and 41k.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Agree. Newhammer 41k is just awful. Can’t bring myself to play it any more. Luckily a couple of guys at my club have decided they like 7th too, so I can play that (set in 39999) while we build up our 30k armies.

    • Neal Laxman

      Yet the Star Wars theme also brings in players who would not previously have bought into wargaming and GW will lose players because of the setting and perceived complexity.

      The coin has 2 sides 🙂

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        Name recognition is the big thing, heck, non gamers may buy the models like they do with xwing and armada just to have them. rpg players like me buy the ships for those 2 games even though I dont play either because they are great for the rpg.

  • Cergorach

    Also look at Imperial Assault and Descent vs Warhammer Quest.

  • frankelee

    Here’s my best way of telling how well these games will do: I look at the amount of comments they’re generating. I don’t think I’ll be buying it, but from the looks of things, there’s a lot of potential popularity here.

    • UnpluggedBeta

      That’s an excellent point; nice.

  • Richard Mitchell

    Two small one line write ups about the number 1 and number 4 game in the miniature market. Sorry, but it is safe to say, FFG is going to knock it out of the park with the new Star Wars miniature game.

    It has less to do with the IP and more to do with competent design. GW has some great sculptors but they really don’t like to spend the pounds on good great game designers. AoS has slowed down due to 40k hype that it is almost dead, problems with 40k core rule issues has chased many who showed up after 2+ years of not playing back out of the hobby. At least in my area.

    FFG takes many licenses, even GW’s, and knocks them out of the park. The real combo is when GW finally becomes a licensing company and gives it miniature licenses to FFW. I love miniature games, I love a lot of them, I play from 3 different companies regularly and there are 2 others that I play sporatically. But outside of our bubble, hardly anyone (especially in the U.S.) know what GW is. Stars Wars is going to sell them game, but FFG’s talented designers are going to keep everyone in it.

    Probably wont take them long to start doing cross over Armada and ground combat campaigns.

    • UnpluggedBeta

      If Infinity can’t knock 40k out on design, I doubt anyone can. Remember, GW products have sported pretty terrible design for more than a decade now and it’s still going strong. I think Corvus Belli has more to worry about regarding new FFG games than GW does.

      • ZeeLobby

        Infinity is very anime though. And that’s a HUGE deciding factor in aesthetics. Their models are gorgeous, but I know many people who refuse to buy them cause that’s not just their bag.

  • UnpluggedBeta

    Runewars is the only thing that excites me from FFG. Original IP is always greater than licensed universes which are out of your hands and can be yanked at any moment.

  • Jack

    Legion needs Mandalorians

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      concur, love those dudes. They make a brilliant mess of things.

  • The Bob

    demoed legion at gencon, seems cool but a MAJOR money sink. All models in a new scale with new dice, So no crossover between Imperial assault, good and bad models, come un-assembled and unpainted, so not out of the box play and go like X-wing. FF told me it would be to expensive to sell them painted. Being they have more curves than x-wing/ armada, pre-painting would cost to much. I mentioned well heroclix are prepainted and he changed the subject.

  • Emprah

    I do not think it will compete with GW as much as draw in new people. While there are some who are fan of both IPs, who I think it will effect is the other, lesser gaming systems. General wargaming fans who are not warhammer fanatics may be drawn in by the SW IP.

    This is a big thing to draw in Star Wars fans to the wargaming hobby or just the collecting hobby. I doubt W40k fans will care much, while new customers who love SW will see these X-wings and go “it is so cool” .

    This will do GW little good, but I doubt it will have a great impact on them, their two IPs are just too different.

    Now, I’m sure some tournament 40k players will jump the ship, and some Star Wars fans will as I did, take notice of a Galactic Imperium that is NOT the whipping post of the entire IP, but I think this will be minor.