WFB: Doomseeker Takes Players Back to the Old World

Ninja Division is producing a Dwarf Slayer game set in Warhammer Fantasy’s Old World!

Age of Sigmar is just starting to crank out licensed products, but the Old World has plenty of life left in it! Take a look at what Games Workshop and Ninja Division have been up to:

via Ninja Division

NINJA DIVISION SIGNS LICENSE WITH GAMES WORKSHOP

Boise Idaho (August 23, 2017)

For immediate release, Ninja Division has signed a license with Games Workshop to create a card game under the Warhammer Fantasy property for the tabletop games market.

DOOMSEEKER™

Doomseeker is a tabletop card game, created by David Freeman and John Cadice, where players take on the role of a mighty dwarf slayer. Each player’s character is sworn by the slayer’s oath to seek a glorious death in battle for a crime committed or stain on that dwarf’s honor.  The slayers eschew worldly pursuits, dye their beards and hair in fierce and fiery reds and oranges, tattoo their ruddy flesh, take up their weapons, and wander the old world seeking their doom battling monsters and enemies of their race.

The Doomseeker card game pits players against one another to see who can die the most glorious death! Push your luck, challenge the denizens and monsters of the Old World, with each victory bringing you more glory, and ultimately your death can be met at the hands of a truly worthy foe! Slotted for release in Spring 2018, Doomseeker will be a boxed card game with cards, dice, and tokens needed to play.

We’ve seen a lot of Warhammer Fantasy licenses in the past couple of years, and they appear to keep on coming.  I’m sure licensed Stormcasts will be coming sooner than later, but let’s enjoy the awesomeness of the Old World anytime we can.  We will keep an eye on this one, and our Dwarven axes sharpened.

~ What is your opinion of new games set in the Old World versus the Age of Sigmar? Are you morel likely to buy them one way or the other?

  • If it is set in the classic WHF world, hell yes I am interested. I’d already own all the Warhammer Quest stuff had it not been an Age of Sigmar thing. That’s the only thing that makes me hesitate.

    • Koen Diepen Van

      The old world is just more interesting than the realms IMHO. One is a deeply developed setting over many years, The other is just generic fantasy troupes whit no depth.

      • I don’t even mind that AoS lacks depth and hasn’t seen as much development. There are too many conceptual problems that turn me off from the setting. I think I read 6 or so of the Realmgate Wars books from Black Library and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

        I can dig the crazy shenanigans they pull with the environments being weird, but not when they feel like they just exist for the sake of a single story and then never appear again as a relevant thing in the world because the realms are near endless. Age of Sigmar’s setting has no proper rules to ground the Realms in, which makes the entire thing feel just far too convenient and contrived all the time.

        • ZeeLobby

          Yeah. It’s the ephemeral nature of the realms which really make me not care. That and many areas just sound good awful. Don’t know why you’d fight over them.

        • Vicent Martín Bonet

          Ehh… but you’re complaining about something that’s being mended NOW. Spear of Shadows brngs back to the fore elements from CoS, Pestilens and Fury of Gork. The Ghyra novella (yet to be titled by J Reynolds) brings back things from the RGW and Season of War.

      • marlowc

        Absolutely agree. At first I thought my dislike of the Realms was just me being a cantankerous old git, and resisting any change. But as time has gone on, it’s pretty clear that the Old World is just so much better. Judging by the host of excellent licensed games in this setting it looks like I’m not alone.

      • Heinz Fiction

        Just for the record: the name of that world is “Warhammer World” (as dumb as it sounds). The Old World is a continent located on the Warhammer World which somewhat resembles Europe.

        http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_world

        • James Regan

          It can also be referred to as ‘the world that was’ to avoid the slightly dumb name, given thats what it i referred to in AoS. I think the realms will eventually get a bit more interesting than they have been, as some of that depth comes from age, rather than some spur of the moment genius back in the 80s, but developing that sort of depth will take time. And given one is based more in low fantasy and the other high, there’s obviously going to be disagreements on the grounds of taste, as well as the realms being more explicitly ‘gamey’ (the point brought up about one off weird environments is deliberate, so that in games you can come up with one off weird environments and not have to worry about these factions just being on the opposite side of the world etc.)

          • marlowc

            The two settings are so different they don’t really compete do they. I don’t see why they can’t be run alongside each other, catering to all tastes?

          • ZeeLobby

            Sadly I think their concern was that nobody would like the new stuff and buy the books if there were other options.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Pardon, but the moment you have high elves, and magic, and dragons.. that is pretty much high fantasy… So both are high fantasy, and low, depending on you the player to make that call. Don’t get me wrong, I love WHFB setting more then AoS, but it was always high fantasy.

          • ragelion

            Yeah I gotta facepalm when people say whfb is low fantasy.

          • James Regan

            except that the majority of the fiction, being written from a quite limited standpoint, ended up low fantasy because having high elves and dragons is only relevant to a background story peice if they are actually mentioned- ‘more in’- there was always very high fantasy, but the low fantasy of the empire and generally lower fantasy of the old world (continent that was the basis for most fiction) in general made for a more low fantasy setting than a setting where the ground is made out of the physical representation of magical breezes. That and having not traditionally high fantasy factions like the skaven feature prominently, or books which featured only one species of humanoid including the main characters

          • UnpluggedBeta

            They’re just trying to find a way to easily differentiate WFB old world versus AoS’s realms. When I see “High Fantasy” I think WoW: Burning Crusade and AoS every time; nitpicking over what the word used to describe is meaningless at this point.

        • euansmith

          “Are you in the market for a concussive weapon to take with you in to battle, then get yourself down to WARHAMMER WORLD; for all your skull shattering needs!”

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            I loved the warhammer so much, I bought the company.

          • euansmith

            Victor Kiam, is that you?

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Actually was going with Mr. Greenbloom the owner of Spatula city from Weird Als movie UHF. That is an amazing reference though!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XbCWmY0eqY

          • euansmith

            Your cultural reference is new to me too. I lived through the 1980’s but it is all pretty much a pastel coloured blur.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            The 80’s were good other than the shoulder pads and half shirts. I remember the Remington ads I miss good ads.

          • euansmith

            I was disappointed that the Lady Remmington wasn’t bolt action.

          • palaeomerus

            Warhammer Warehouse carries more models of more brands at lower prices and shipping is always free unless you live in Russia or South America.

          • euansmith

            Call me a hipster, but, personally, I tend to use Lucerne Hammer Land or Bec de Corbin Boutique.

          • palaeomerus

            I never got over Mace-mart shutting down in 2006.

          • euansmith

            😀 😀 😀

      • luke-vdv

        Yep. It has everything you could want in a fantasy world.

        • UnpluggedBeta

          What made Old World fantasy really super interesting was the HRE-style Empire living on the same continent as Bretonians and vikings.

      • CloakingDonkey

        So the “Warhammer World”, an imitation of Earth filled with the “Best of Tolkien” and fantasified real world historical armies isn’t generic?

        • ZeeLobby

          Not if you’ve ever read any of the novels. I thought it was pretty great. Plus what’s wrong with playing a race that’s from your region of the world? I knew several French players who loved Brettonians. I’d take the old world map over the amorphous blobs of the new realms any day.

          • CloakingDonkey

            Nothing wrong with that. My point was the only reason Oldhammer was so great was because it had 40 years of time to grow into what it was. At its core it was just as generic and sad as the Realms are now… So give it time. 😉

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, I mean we’ll see. I guess I could wait 10 years, haha. The big difference between Oldhammer’s growth and AoS’s now, is that there are a ton of other options for fantasy games on the market. I was really hoping they’d nail AoS’s setting and fiction right off the bat, because it’s honestly just left a bad taste in my mouth (and others I know).

          • CloakingDonkey

            Well I guess it’s easier for me. I care mostly about cool models. Fluff is more secondary to me. It’s nice to have good fluff but all the fluff in the world won’t make me like Mantic’s trash models or PP’s overpriced 4-sculpts-to-a-box naff =/

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, if models are important to you, then GW definitely has the technical side down (though I’d argue some of their sculpts are aesthetically lifeless and overdone). Personally I can’t stand playing with a cool model if it has a derpy backstory.

          • CloakingDonkey

            So all of 40K is what you’re saying? 😛

          • ZeeLobby

            Well the new stuff for sure. Primaris, Guilliman, etc. Even the new 1K Sons stuff. Wish the fluff didn’t matter as much.

          • CloakingDonkey

            To be fair I don’t think there was ever a model released for 40K that didn’t have silly fluff… I mean that’s what 40K is in a nutshell. Some really silly and camp fluff.

          • euansmith

            All fluff is Imperial Propoganda! The Necrons are still emotionless, c’thonic killing machines. 😉

          • Mira Bella

            Sorry but I don’t intend to wait 30 years for it to become interresting. 😉

          • CloakingDonkey

            Well you can always cling to a dead game and whinge. I hear it’s popular on this website 😛

        • Heinz Fiction

          I’d say it was kinda generic, but pretty well executed and full of flavour.

          Being different isn’t equivalent of being great…

          • CloakingDonkey

            No of course not but that was my point. The Warhammer World is some of the most generic tropey fantasy out there… it just had 40 years of refining and fleshing out… The AoS world is 2 years old. Seems like a bit of a poor comparison to begin with imo.

          • euansmith

            I think that the Olde Worlde did have a bit of originality in its Empire range; John Blanche’s love of Holbein and Durer did bring in that pseudo-Renaissance style that was a novel addition at the time.

        • UnpluggedBeta

          If Tolkien modeled his humans after the Holy Roman Empire, sure.

  • marlowc

    I’m afraid I’m a sucker for anything set in the Old World, and this looks great. Shame FFG’s Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game bit the dust 🙁
    The Realms setting doesn’t interest me at all, though some of the models are brilliant.

  • Haha, no one wants to make game set in Age of Poopmar.

    Waiting for my copy of Warhammer Total War 2.

    • Shinnentai

      Heheh – yeah, I was surprised the article said that AoS had started cranking out licensed products – I hadn’t noticed any?

      • ZeeLobby

        I was literally about to ask this. Are there any?

        • Rafał Pytlak

          I wouldn’t mind a tpp game about Stormcast slaughtering Chaos forces and Orks. God of War style ^_^

          • ZeeLobby

            Could be fun. Sounds a lot just like the Space Marine game with less guns. Not sure that’d be enough to draw in sales.

          • Rafał Pytlak

            Best part of that game was the melee fighting. If they’d make it brutal and Rated R with blood, yeah i could see people buying it

        • In 2027 there will still be games released based on Warhammer Fantasy and not a single one for Age of Smegmar. GW should apologize and bring it back.

          • Vicent Martín Bonet

            You really should calm down. TBH the only license us AOSRPG which us pretty big

    • ragelion

      The IP is only TWO years old for christ sake.

      • Mira Bella

        So how long should we wait?

        • ragelion

          Until GW feels ready to hand the IP out. Since as it is now it’s too young to be used in video games because GW still needs to flesh things out. The new roleplaying game coming out will help.

          When you create a new IP for something like a wargame you want to keep your hands on it for a few years to establish it. Before throwing at game developers.

          • Mira Bella

            Ahh! You are talking about the IP.
            I thought you meant the fleshing out of the fluff.
            My bad.

          • ragelion

            Well that’s a part of it as well. They need to establish more maps,(We only have a world map of one realm out of 8) more unique characters(They have been developing some with the new battletomes and releases blightware as an example), More cities(Which they have started to do).

            I personally don’t expect to see a game for AOS until 5+ years at least.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            3 years to develop the fluff and establish a player base, then 2 years to develop. A bit short.

            Probably give it 8 years

    • Munn

      As opposed to Snorehammer Fantasy battle: LoTR did it better and with less copyright theft?

      • euansmith

        I never got in to the massed-combat game, but, as an RPG setting, the Olde Worlde was a lot of grimy fun.

  • TheCrimsonFist

    I like that we are still getting games in the Old Warhammer World, now that GW no longer support it they don’t seem too picky on who they sell the IP to. Would love to see another attempt at an MMO… Warhammer online wad great and had so much potential…

    • luke-vdv

      I also want to see an Elder Scrolls style RPG set in the old Warhammer World. I’m literally salivating just thinking about all the possibilities!

      • marlowc

        There is in fact a first person roleplay pc game in development as we speak. It was announced on here a while back, but I can’t remember the company name. They’ll certainly get my money as soon as pre-orders are up 🙂

        • ZeeLobby

          Man. I would love to know what. I think I missed it.

        • luke-vdv

          Aww, first person? Hopefully they change it to have both because I like to see my character that I’ve spent time customising.

          • euansmith

            You can see your character reflected in the terrified eyes of your foes. You just need to get in real close during the finishing moves.

    • Nostok

      Licence the IP to.

  • CptCaven

    It seems extremely telling that all the Warhammer Fantasy games coming out from 3rd party publishers are overwhelmingly set in the Old World vs. Realms.

    • CptCaven

      If in fact *any* 3rd party games are set in the realms?

    • Munn

      Old world is easier. Make a generic fantasy game and slap Games Workshop in the credits. Sigmar’s setting is a but more…esoteric.

  • Rafał Pytlak

    What the hell is a tabletop card game? It’s either a cardgame or a tabletop/board game.
    Are their referring to it being phisical instead of digital/computer game?

  • Xodis

    Lost me at card game….

  • gobobobo

    I will keep saying it: give us a new warmaster game. It will bring back the old world (in a total war style) and wont compete with the AoS franchise.

  • Keith Wilson

    i got excited until i saw it was a damn card game

  • Petteri Heino

    I buy all of them if the game is playable at all 🙂

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    There was nothing wrong with the Old World. GW could have easily time skipped forward 100 years and introduced the realms, portals, brought Sigmar back, introduced Stormcast guys, and etc. Basically layer AoS on top of the Old World.

    • Hagwert

      Perhaps something like when chaos worshippers bring demons into the old world through ceremonies and sacrifices could have been applied to stormcast . A priest of sigmar could have the ability to open a portal to Ayzerheim through which stormcast could pour or maybe if a unit of flagelants dies their sacrifice could have a similar effect.

    • Thomas

      I think it would’ve been neat to keep the Old World as it was and just introduce the AoS mechanics into it. Game no longer puts off newbies with its obtuse, esoteric mechanics, fluff no longer alienates large swathes of the playerbase by staying grounded in that wonderful mix of grimy low fantasy and silly high fantasy that characterised WHFB.

  • dave long island

    Anti-Bubble Kingdom-ites!… lol