40K: The Missing & Imprisoned Armies

GW has done something very odd with both Kroot and Mechanicum ranges; and I think something is up…

We all lament the sad tale of the Squats.

The one and only Warhammer 40,000 army cut down in it’s prime – and lost to the apocryphal mists of time. GW said never again would another range be removed from the game and they have stuck to their word. There have been no *entire* armies removed from the game but with two factions something kind of odd is going on…

Kroot Mercenaries – The Lost

Hey everybody, remember Kroot Mercenaries? They used to have an entire armylist back in 4th Edition and had a pretty solid range of ForgeWorld minis that hit the scene with The Taros Campaign book back in 2005.

The Kroot used to have a full featured army back in the day, and a Forge World range full of the rare stuff like Knarloc riders, Great Knarlocs and more.  It was a very cool low tech army – that rounded out the Xenos options. Best of all – hey they were Mercenaries who traveled the galaxy – so you could shoehorn them into almost any type of campaign or setting.

Then 8th Edition arrived and they were missing.  No mention of them from the Forge World books – which is very odd as the launch Index books included all kinds of rare stuff like the 30th Anniversary Imperial Marine and the Primaris Rhino. Now the non-Forge World Kroot Army list had been long gone and was mostly based on conversions of the Kroot Carnivores kit – but still – it was very odd that all the Knarlocs got the cold shoulder.

Horus Heresy Mechanicum – The Imprisoned

Moving on we reach maybe the odder of the two cases.  The quite large and impressive Forge World range of Mechanicum models that are restricted to the Horus Heresy setting.

Now I know that GW likes to keep the FW and Studio kits segregated a little, but this is just odd.  The vast majority of Forge World kits like the Contemptor Dreadnought, Sicaran, and Leviathan Dreadnought are dual use in both 30K and 40K.  With Adeptus Mechanicus just getting a new shiny codex – everyone was hoping for a transport, and some new tanks.

It’s funny because they have existed for years, but Forge World just won’t give them 40K rules.  Over on the 30K side of things we have everything a 40K Ad-Mech player could ever dream of. From transports like the Triaros up there, to tons of Robots, new infantry like the Thallax – all the way up to the big Lords of War like the Ordinatus.

An automoton for every budget…

Now THAT’S how you deal with a Primarch!

 

What is Going On?

Both of these begs the question – WHAT IS UP?  I think we have to take these in turn.

Kroot Mercs are a force who needs to return. I can see why GW might not want to release a faction that is mostly Forge World and conversion based, but there should be no problem just allowing the Knarlocs as Tau units.

There have been whispers of a White Dwarf return of the Kroot Mercs list and GW has been hinting at new xenos of late... time will tell.

On the Mechanicus front – I have NO IDEA what’s up. This is just literally lost revenue for GW. The plastic Ad Mech range is a little light and the unit roles of the large Mechanicum range fit the bill perfectly.  Almost every other 30K unit has a 40K rules counterpart.  I say let the funky units come over and play.

~What do you think about GW retconning away some factions and segregating others to either 40K or 30K only?

  • Riddip

    Aren’t there rumours that a new fw book will bring 30k mechanicum to 40k?
    I read something about it somewhere, but don’t remember if it was just wishlisting or something that could become real…

    • Son_of_Corax_XIX

      Yes there is and it got delayed due to 8th happening and Alan dying. This is the typical low standard of research article designed to get clicks and misinform

      • Muninwing

        i’m not sure if it is “designed to get clicks and misinform” — that’s adding an implication of deliberate trickery and malice.

        if you have proof of such, you should share it. otherwise…

        • Amber Sbriglio

          Don’t kill the messenger. Many of us had no idea about any of the above article’s content. I didn’t even know Kroot were a thing. That being said, your insight on the 30k Mechanicum is great.

          • Spacefrisian

            Cause Kroot werent as big of a thing as its made out to be in that article, was a fw army and didnt have a propper dex. You had more luck trying to field a 13th company army at tourneys.

        • Son_of_Corax_XIX

          Of course it is deliberate, especially when BoLs previous articles from the Open Days has the answers to what the author is stating. It just baiting the community to get clicks…..
          If you’re foolish enough to believe otherwise when everything shows you that’s what it is shame on you

          • Muninwing

            nothing about that says “deliberate”

            merely lacking in quality or timeliness.

            if you knew it was just “for the clicz” why are you even here?

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            Well firstly it’s spelt “Clicks” queens English and all my dear. Secondly I never said I knew it was when I clicked on the article, I realised it was when I read about half way through it as would any hobbyist with half a brain as stated above and in other comments.
            Of course it’s deliberate when the site that publishes the article has stated the correct facts months before.
            If you knowingly put a bad product on the market or in this case article on a “News” article of course it’s deliberate.
            If you want to be a “mark” for BoLs and be delusional when thinking they don’t do half they do for clicks for the advertising money, and to actively promote conflict in the community, etc…. logic is wasted on you

          • Muninwing

            wow, edgelord condescension much?

            i’m not sure why you show up here. you’re disdainful of everything, and critical of people who aren’t as cool as you who haven’t figured out that the big bad are manipulating the sheeple.

            it’s a business. it publishes content — sometimes stuff written weeks in advance that trickles down the queue — in order to generate revenue. it’s not a labor of love or a free look into the industry.

            and sure, some articles are better than others. though this is even better quality than anything rob baer writes, it’s still lacking in depth.

            but that doesn’t mean i get to be all pedantic and look down my nose at all the sad loser “marks” who aren’t enlightened enough to understand how awesome i am…

          • Crevab

            Don’t try to engage Sons in conversation, it’s just hitting your head against a brick wall

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            Just because I don’t fanboy and hold extremely low standards like yourself for “news” and articles doesn’t mean I’m enlightened, I’m critical of the articles as they are half the time inaccurate and misleading on purpose.
            You are acting like a “mark” for here as it doesn’t matter if what’s done is wrong and obviously misinformation you will stand up for them.
            Again the correct information for this article was written in BoLs articles from the open days and warhammerfest MONTHS ago. No article is written here months in advance as they don’t have half the information months in advance. I think you need to try again with the excuses and use well thought out ones.

          • Muninwing

            woah… we can’t handle all this cool… all us “marks” who have low standards bow before your mastery!

            smh

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            All your doing is proving my point about fanboying now

          • Muninwing

            and all you’re proving is that you’re not terribly smart, and cannot see when you’ve been given the brush-off due to being obnoxious.

            you’re insulting, arrogant, and incorrect on nearly every point — and would rather use a handwaving of “you’re a fanboy’ than engage in actual discussion. so i’m done here — until you can hold your own in a conversation with adults, you can go back to the kids table and stop the logical fallacies.

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            Your not brushing off at all, if you were you wouldn’t reply to someone who isn’t fanboying due to expecting standards.
            No one makes you reply.
            Condescending to you, yes. Incorrect, no, that’s you with your special snowflake attitude and lack of actual hobby knowledge.
            Kids table is where I would say you belong due to not being able to have adult standards and not being able to know when your beat.

  • BaronVonYoloing

    Seriously? For a news site you guys seem awfully ignorant about FW’s upcoming Fires of Cyraxus book. KNOWN to be incoming for the best part of a couple of years now but keeps being delayed (probably due to the double whammy of how 8th ed changed the game as well as the loss of Alan Bligh) which has been stated repeatedly as having Mechanicum units in addition to Tau and Red Scorpions.

    • Son_of_Corax_XIX

      Funny how the community know more than the article writers here nowadays, but that’s because we do our research and don’t care about clicks. All you said is spot on and true

      • Did the authour not know that GW removed the Bretonnian and Tomb Kings ranges from Warhammer Fantasy/AOS or does that not count?

      • It gets especially bad when they try to talk about fluff and inadvertedly show that they haven’t even picked a Black Library novel on the subject in forever.

        • Son_of_Corax_XIX

          Same goes for how they can’t pronounce any of the names correctly in their videos hahaha

        • Son_of_Corax_XIX

          Don’t remind me of the demiurgs are Squats debacle again.

          • Josh Felstead

            But the Demiurgs ARE Squats

          • ieyke

            Squats are Space Dwarves
            Demiurge are Space Gnomes

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            They aren’t, they are seperate species. Read the Ciaphus Cain Novels

          • Josh Felstead

            (I know, I was just baiting you for the sake of it)

          • Son_of_Corax_XIX

            Hahaha nice one lol

          • Josh Felstead

            But the Demiurgs ARE Squats

    • Fergie0044

      Click here to see how a local mum found this weird trick to get plastic sisters of battle!!!

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        She was very brave. Inspiring article!

      • She runs GW. That’s how

      • Coltcabunny

        Your thoughts are intriguing to me and a wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      I’m sure the Kroot stuff isn’t helped by the FW kits being discontinued….in all likelihood because they had poor sales figures and FW has focused on the HH range.

      • ieyke

        Kroot weren’t even a half-baked army.
        They were like 1/4 baked.
        The Kroot should all just be lumped wholesale into the Tau until GW finally decides to really do something with them as a full-blown standalone army.

        I’m surprised that GW still hasn’t made the Vespids into a whole army. They have like 10x as much potential as the Kroot to be a functional army.

    • memitchell

      And, yet, I didn’t KNOW about the book that everyone KNOWS will be here someday (and when It is, I wont KNOW , unless it’s reported here, because I don’t plan on buying it). Not only that, I did not KNOW about the death a someone named Alan Bligh. I like a one-stop source of information to kinda, sorta, keep me in the KNOW. If you KNOW what I mean.

      • Son_of_Corax_XIX

        Its all been stated in prevous BoLs articles, the community site and so forth… Cant blame others for your ignorance and being a mark for BoLs. His points are valid and spot on that this site is scraping the barrel and misleading hobbyists with false information due to poorly researched articles

  • lunahula .

    Could also mentions armies held hostage by GW like Sisters of Battle. Still metal miniatures only available second hand or from GW directly at a 5xup price mark. No Forgeworld models and the only light on the horizon for them recently has been third party vendors selling surrogates and sisters-like miniatures.

    With the Tau additional xenos though you also have the matter of stingwings, which have quite a bad metal miniature that alsois a gw or second hand exclusive.

    • Carey_Mahoney

      Absolutely. They should more emphatically make Tau a multi-ethnic space empire in future releases. By now, there’s enough Tau among the Tau, so time for something new.

    • memitchell

      If Genestealer Cult models had not been unavailable for 22 years, I’d feel your pain. SoB’s aren’t hostage. They can be purchased. And, you know they will get updated someday. Or not.

      • lunahula .

        When they are price marked up to a ridiculous degree, frequently unavailable and only obtainable through GW’s webstore; held hostage is exactly what they are, hostage to your wallet with them expecting you to shell out more than double if you want this army, even though it is not any more powerful than other regularly available armies. It’s not even that it’s metal cast, since the old 90’s imperial guard squads are all at reasonable price marks even if they are webstore exclusives.

  • Albino_42

    Beg the question. Not beggar the question.

    • Ben_S

      And it doesn’t mean raise the question anyway.

  • Electrobix

    I think it would be a huge mistake to have the only transports for Ad Mech be forgeworld. They should make 40k transports and then provide rules for the 30k.

    • Mr.Gold

      give them access to rhinos & chimeras – they make the darn things…

      • ieyke

        AdMech should really just have access to any and all Imperial technology. The fact that they DON’T mandates that they have their OWN technology that’s cooler and better, because otherwise nothing makes sense.
        So yea, they need to start filling the gaps in the AdMech range ASAP, and just using the ForgeWorld stuff to do it would make a ton of sense.

  • Honestly, even though I probably wouldn’t play them personally, I think a return of the Kroot Mercenaries would be an amazing move by GW.

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      As an army I had started to build only to see it lose any support from GW I would have to agree! Sadly never bought any Knarloc.

  • Ben_S

    “The one and only Warhammer 40,000 army cut down in it’s prime – and lost
    to the apocryphal mists of time. GW said never again would another
    range be removed from the game and they have stuck to their word.”

    I’m not sure I’d describe squats as ‘in their prime’ given that they had basically zero support during 2nd edition. And, as for not removing another range, what of genestealer cults, which were only recently returned?

    • Watcherzero

      Their own index list and still on the shelves, how are they removed?

      • Ben_S

        I perhaps didn’t phrase that clearly enough, but I meant that they were removed before returning in 7th.

        • memitchell

          Technically, GSC was not removed (or, Squated). Just neglected. Squats were written out of the fluff. GSC just lay dormant for two decades. BIG difference. OK, tiny difference, but it did leave room for GSC’s seamless return.

          • ieyke

            Squats have been written back into the fluff in the 6th Edition rulebook.
            So technically NOTHING has been Squatted….aside from maybe Zoats.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      And Space Slann. And Rogue Trader space pirates. And zoats. And recently (is this right?) Eldar Corsairs.

      • Muninwing

        and in all honesty? squats were never fleshed out. they were gimmicky, and too silly for even the early days of GW. they were rightly stripped from the game due to just not fitting into the grander scheme, and the game is better for it.

        now, i could see them reincorporating them in a completely new form, but it would take some doing. they would need a niche previously unexplored.
        – perhaps they would be alternate allies with the Mechanicum, but not get along with the Imperium after all this time?
        – maybe they have found a way to control or influence Tyranids? the whole “their homeworlds were eaten” thing could have been a deliberate ploy to evade mechanicum prying
        – maybe their civilization arose/flourished due to interaction with malfunctioning Necron tech that was incorporated into their own, but which eventually started self-repair and infected their systems
        – maybe they made a deal with Chaos to work as slave labor / craftsmen in exchange for being left alone, which would explain the raw materials for chaos incursions… and give them a liberation arc as part of a future campaign
        – maybe they could be the last remains of a different pre-human society, and have access to ancient prehuman tech
        – or maybe their “eaten by the tyranids” was actually their bailout before getting into a war with the AdMech, since they have STC tech that is desperately craved by Mars
        – they could also be the product of genetic enhancement instead of adjustment to gravitic conditions, and some of their tech and secrets might revolve around some lost (possibly heretical) tech from earlier ages

        each of these would be better than “they’re space dwarfs who like mining and ride harleys” with some justifying nod toward the land train.

        • memitchell

          Maybe a small band of Squats teams up with Gando the Grey Knight (Librarian), recruits a Ratling sniper, and reclaims the Mines of Mariah from Swag, a Tyranid Harridan.

        • Dave

          Maybe if they rework the story of the (surviving) Squats. The Kharadron Overlord range looks pretty decent. Might even fit into 40k with some updated transports and new rules.

      • ieyke

        Being Squatted means getting retconned out of the fluff entirely.
        Space Slann (Old Ones), Rogue Traders, and Corsairs are all very much still in the fluff.

        Zoats might be the ONLY faction to be written out of the fluff, because even Squats were written back in in 6th Edition.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          No, being squatted means removed as a playable army. Squats are still in the fluff anyhow, they have been in the list of abhumans in the appendix to the rulebook since 6th.

          • ieyke

            No. Being Squatted is being removed from the fluff.
            Armies temporarily drop out of the game all the time. Sometimes for a frustratingly long time.

            And I just said that Squats were returned in 6th Edition.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            So squats are still in the fluff, but everyone talks about them being squatted because they are, er, not in the fluff, although they are, um, still in the fluff… yep, that’ll be it.

          • ieyke

            Are you dense?
            Squats were eliminated from the fluff.
            The term “squatted” was invented to describe something eliminated from the fluff.
            The squats finally came back after DECADES.

            They are not STILL in the fluff.
            They are in the fluff AGAIN.
            Two completely different things.

  • karloss01

    “GW said never again would another range be removed from the game and they have stuck to their word. There have been no *entire* armies removed from the game…”

    I wouldn’t call it sticking to their word when they killed off Tomb Kings and Bretonnia; it might be another system but they still got squatted.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      I’m also pretty sure GW have never “promise” not to remove entire armies from the game. I believe, and I’m certainly paraphrasing here, they said “we will are alway looking to support all our armies”(sic) Which they have been doing with armies like SoB, Bret and TK. Sure the models maybe old, limited availability or discontinued; yet all of them have rules and list available for use. Supporting armies is not the same as removing them from the game.

      • Carey_Mahoney

        Wrong! A few years ago, one of GW’s designers explicitly stated in public (it was on one GamesDay/WH Fest, I think) that they will never abandon or discontinue a whole army again. That was before End Times and AoS. That designer cited Squats as the example of what they will not do again.

    • memitchell

      Psst…They killed off that whole damn game!

  • Rainthezangoose

    The fact that genestealer cults are a long(ish) standing fleshed out army but sisters, still nothing.

    • memitchell

      Why don’t you go 22 years between model availability, before you make that comparison? There were 2 SoB codices before the GSC got their first, this year. You should be inspired by the GSC revival, not envious of it.

  • Luca Lacchini

    Give me back Baron Sathonix and Vect on the Dais before any new xeno.

    • Muninwing

      nah… Vect maybe, but he’d need to be of comparable power level to a Primarch AND have extra oomph if he’s riding his slave ship. but the baron was terrible, and hugely abused by people who complained incessantly about other armies.

      if he were to come back, he’d need some specific additions and restrictions. if they keep the “renegade/outcast leader” schtick in his fluff, then any army containing him should not be able to take kabalites… or at least trueborn.

      he was a cheez character whose fluff ran directly against his most common usage. the game is better off without him until they can fix his rules.

      • Simon Bates

        The Baron ought not to be difficult with the way auras and keywords work now. He can have rules that benefit Hellions and only Hellions (or just Wych Cult units or whatever). The way DE are keyworded in the index, it looks a lot like there will be benefits to having whole detachments which are one Cult, Kabal or Coven, so it won’t be difficult to also limit who he can be in a detachment with and who benefits from his rules.

  • Heinz Fiction

    polarizing opinion incoming: forgeworld is lukewarm fan fiction and not real 40k

    • ReverendTiberiusJackhammer

      Only polarizing in the same way a flat earth conspiracy theory is polarizing, really.

      • Muninwing

        how polarizing is immediately dismissing someone’s input due to their inability to make sense?

    • Muninwing

      counter-opinion: you are lukewarm fanfiction

      • memitchell

        Lukewarm Heinz Fiction?

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Lukewarm heinz beans?

  • I_am_Alpharius

    Yes, lament those poor Kroot armies…I have to say in my area we can’t move with the amount of Kroot armies on the table top….no wait…thats no quite right…

  • Apocryphus

    The Kroot Mercenaries have been missing for kind of a while now, and Forgeworld is converting their Ad Mech over to 40k, so I don’t know what the issue is. The Forgeworld Kroot models likely didn’t sell well enough because most Tau players didn’t use them at all and still don’t. Besides, it was a White Dwarf/Chapter Approved mini list that was never updated for new editions, I doubt GW even remembers it exists.

  • Muninwing

    “The Kroot used to have a full featured army back in the day, ”

    umm… what do we consider “full featured” armylists?

    wasn’t it just a WD list? and fairly light on the content? i doubt that lands in the “must come back” category by a long shot. especially since GW has been eliminating conversion-based units en masse from codexes, bringing the game down to a playable and accessible point for newbs (at least in theory).

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      There were lots of kroot units added in IA5, if I remember correctly.

      • ieyke

        “Lots” is a bit of a stretch.
        Between the WD list and IA5 the Kroot army never got to be more than a 1/4 baked attempt at a new army.

        They had less of a viable army than playing JUST Primaris Marines.

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          I don’t really understand this mindset.

          Kroot mercs, like all these mini factions, were presented as full playable armies. They may not have had many choices, but there are factions today without many.

          To the people who played them they were an army. Didn’t cost any less or take less time to paint or to learn to play. Their lack of a Space Marine style phone book thickness codex didnt make their players bond with them less or miss them less when they became unplayable.

  • Talos2

    It was fairly common knowledge that the next imperial armour was meant to bing a lots of mechanicum to 40k, that’s obviously been heavily delayed by 8th. I don’t know if the bols authors are deliberate with this lack of knowledge they often make out they have to create more stories of if they genuiniely are the last to know

  • memitchell

    If we put our prejudices and nostalgia aside (I’m all about GSC, so I’m looking at me, too), a few armies just don’t have enough stuff on their own to make it all on their own.

    First up is my Genestealer Cult. The original “army” came from two White Dwarf issues (1989). It leaned heavily on Imperial Guard , and even Chaos (rules, if not actual units). Then, when Tyranids got an army, it borrowed from them (more specifically, it was an appendix army OF them). Today, it still needs to pull from either Astra Militarum or Tyranids to be a full-fledged viable army.

    Kroot always were a strange add on to Tau (combining 40K anime with Mercenary Birdmen is…) Kroot don’t have enough to stand alone. And, honestly, who really wants a Kroot army?

    Sisters of Battle. Pretty much female marines, along with the Inquisitor/Ministorium sado-masochistic bondage Repentia. Still not enough there for an army. And, the theme needs a entire rewrite. Manly Marines are loyal, dedicated, stoic, stalwart, and superior. Girly Sisters are devout, fanatic, shrill, suicidal, and slight. What female gamer can’t relate to that interpretation of female soldiers?

    Mech army? There’s already a Mech army. And, it’s already expensive. Those are some mighty dumb looking Mech models pictured here. Just get some Knights, already.

    • Astorius Blake

      Which Mech army are you speaking of. Necrons do not count as Mechs, Tau neither. Which one then?

      • ieyke

        Tau are LITERALLY a mech army nowadays.
        There’s no way anyone is confusing the Tau or Necrons with the Adeptus Mechanicus.
        What are you even talking about?

        • Astorius Blake

          Tau aren’t Mechs, they’re battlesuits. Mind the gap.
          Necrons are robots. So yeah i’m not confusing them.
          I am talking to him tho. He says there’s already a “mech army” and then quotes Knights.
          I’m sorry, i don’t consider “an army” as something you can literally not build by itself. let alone for 100 bucks a piece.

          • ieyke

            Battlesuits ARE mechs.

    • ieyke

      Your understanding of Sisters Of Battle is like my knowledge of Polish tax laws – non-existent.

  • DoctorBored

    My thinking is that ForgeWorld is waiting for Games Workshop to come out with enough new Codexes that they can understand the philosophy behind the different versions of Chapter Tactics (Doctrines, Orders, Forge Worlds, etc). Once they get the handle on that, they’ll start making their own Chapter Tactics for their space marine factions, Elysians, AdMech, all that stuff. It’s a delicate balance, I’m sure.

  • uatu13

    While I generally enjoy 8th, not being able to use my 30K Ad Mech in 40K has been pretty awful. I previously just played them using 30K rules with opponent permission, and found they were one of the most versatile, thematic, and interesting armies out there. GW is insane not to immediately make rules for all these models for 40K!

  • Spacefrisian

    A wonder Eldar Exodites arent mentioned.

  • Diagoras

    Aha! I knew I’d read this somewhere; took me ages to find it.

    In the 7th edition Cult Mechanicus codex, on the Kastelan Robots’ fluff page, there’s a small passage entitled “The Mind in the Machine,” which tells us why the 30k Mechanicus models are mostly unavailable to us in the 41st Millennium.

    As many of you, I’m sure, are already aware, artificial intelligence was a huge no-no in the Mechanicum, and continues to be so in the Mechanicus. It’s viewed as one of the primary causes for the Dark Age of Technology and the Age of Strife, and anyone found creating anything even bordering on artificial intelligence in the Imperium is subjected to excommunicato fatalis. (Read: are brutally executed)

    So the problem arose, how do we make an autonomous killing machine without AI?

    Well, in the later model automata created before the Schism, the Mechanicum imbued souls of animals and even daemons into them, in order to give their creations the independence they desired. After the Schism, however, the newly formed Adeptus Mechanicus found the process of imbuing false life into machines to be heretical, and so these automata are no longer in use. The few that weren’t destroyed linger only on backwater Forge Worlds long cut off from the Imperium at large.

    The only other people who would still use them would be the Dark Mechanicus, and even then, these automata would be unrecognizable from what they were in 30k, twisted into Daemon Engines.

    This also explains why the Mechanicus’ current automata, such as the Kastelan, require constant input from datasmiths, as all practices of imbuing robots with independence have been outlawed.

    So. Long story short, I think it actually makes perfect sense why they wouldn’t have rules for these automata in 40k. The passage even lists the Thanatar, Castellax, and Vorax by name. I feel that releasing rules for these models in 40k would actually go against the spirit of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

    Now the transports, I have no idea. By all means, they should have rules.

  • Vayle

    The ordinatus minoris engines did have 7th ed rules, i was planning to buy one around Christmas last year but am glad i didn’t as now they are completely useless for me as a 40k player

  • Josh Felstead

    Kroot suck. Even as bubble wrap.

  • eMtoN

    Kroot? Sorry but when I think Tau I think battlesuits – not some backwards alien riding a dinosaur.

    I’m not entirely sure why kroot were even added to the Tau line. Did a designer at GW just want to do alien dinosaurs and realize there was literally no place to put them? Kinda like the planet bound eldar?

    Just remove them already and be done with it.

    • ieyke

      Kroot are bird people and all the kroot creatures are bird monsters.
      They were designed to be the melee units for the Tau, who have almost no melee ability.

      • eMtoN

        I guess if you want to call that thing they are riding on which has short front legs, long back legs, a massive jaw and no wings a bird then that’s fine.

        Sure looks like a dinosaur to me. Maybe that’s the problem – The designer didn’t know the difference between an ostrich and a t-rex. Either way, it’s still not in a battlesuit.

        • ieyke

          They are all versions of the same species.
          They all evolved from the kroothawk.
          The sentient humanoid kroot evolved and their leaders, the Shapers began taking control of the evolution of their species, forcing new kroot to evolve into different forms, like kroot hounds, krootox (gorilla format kroot beasts), knarloc beasts, great knarlocs, kroot with ork strength, etc etc etc.

          • ieyke

            Also, the closest living ancestor of the Tyrannosaurus Rex is the chicken. So….

  • Jay Mort

    The problem with the Kroot…
    Everything they used to do unique, is now done better by…
    Every army in the game. Extra D6 run… okay. 6inch charge through forests.. okay. Shooting through a wood… hey why not. Squad with 5 melta guns… here’s one with 5 d3 shot melta lancers, fun!

    Add in all their special defensive rules are positively pointless. Wow… you get a +1 cover save in forests? Well good thing its true line of sight/and 75% of my army has ignore cover! Ah… so sad.