Goatboy’s 40k Thoughts: Initial Death Guard List “Rick & Morty”

Goatboy here again and just like a lot of people I am pretty enamored with the new Death Guard Codex.

I think it has some legs, plays really differently from other books, and should be a lot of fun to compete with and bring to the table top.  It really shows a real top down design with all aspects of the book thought through.  Sure there are some sadly missing things (Nurgle Bikers, Nurgle Havocs, Nurgle Maulerfiends) but if you look at what the book has already it makes sense why those guys are not there.  They didn’t want just a “green tinged” rehash of the Chaos Space Marine book.  Bravo to them and hopefully the return of the Thousand Sons will also bring in a much needed “flavor” to the army.  It gives me hope that if there is ever a true World Eaters book to come out we might see something pretty unique beyond “new” Berserkers.

But enough of that – lets look at some Death Guard lists.  Will start with the initial Rick and Morty idea I have that slams Morty into an army with some friends to help keep the board controlled.  I don’t know if this is any good or not …and I might have messed up some of the points beyond Morty’s… but I think you’ll get the idea.

Rick and Morty – Version 1 – aka Lord of the Flies

Death Guard Battalion
HQ: Typhus, Plague Wind, Miasma of Pestilence
HQ: Daemon Prince of Nurgle, Wings (not in the points, but in the book – points look the same as CSM so there ya go), Malefic Talons X 2, The Suppurating Plate, Putrescent Vitality
Elite: The Death Shroud X 3
Troops: Pox Walkers X 20
Troops: Pox Walkers X 20
Troops: Pox Walkers X 15
FA: Foetid Bloat Drone, Plaguespitters X 2, Plague Probe
FA: Foetid Bloat Drone, Plaguespitters X 2, Plague Probe

Chaos Daemons Patrol
HQ: Daemon Prince of Nurgle, Wings, Malefic Talon X 2 – Nurgle Heal Spell
Troops: Nurglings X 3
Troops: Nurglings X 3

Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment
LoW: Mortarion, Plague Wind, Curse of the Leper

So the idea is to push, protect, and hopefully murder things with Morty.  There are a few other ideas I have along things line – but this felt the most “Nurgle” like.  You’ve got a good, strong back base of Pox Walkers with Typhus to keep them enhanced.  And they can also cause some damage on things if the enemy gets to close.  You have a few “friends” to follow Morty around – like the Death Shroud and Nurgle Daemon Princes. One Nurgle Prince can heal Morty which would be pretty important as he gets mixed up with some bad guys.  I think the Foetid Bloat Drones will do wonders to help clean things up as they can keep up with the Prince of Death himself and the 2 Daemon Princes who are there protecting him.

I don’t know how “killy” this will be or if the spell set up is optimized. But, still this looks pretty simple and decently sized enough to be a threat on the table top.  The Nurglings can be there to help keep opponent drops from coming in too close to Morty as well as just screw with the opponent.  Will see if the Deathshroud are just an expensive set of 6 wounds – but I feel with the proper spell set up they become a real pain in the butt.  If you remove the ability to target them unless you are closer – with Morty out front.  You could really control what gets over to them – and help keep the king alive as long as you can.  Its really just trying to let him survive for at least a few turns so you can truly cause as much havoc in the middle of your opponents army.

Now this next idea is really more of a mechanized monster list.  I thought that a ton of the Drones, Haulers, and other stuff could be pretty neat mixed with Zombies milling around their feet.  It also doesn’t have Morty either. While he’s good – I think his points cost keeps it hard from adding all of the gross robots as you can.

Death Guard Monster Mash

Death Guard Battalion
HQ: Typhus
HQ: Malignant Plaguecaster
HQ: Daemon Prince, Wings, Malefic talon X 2, The Plate
Elite: Plague Surgeon
Elite: Noxious Blight Bringer
Elite: Tallyman
Troops: Pox Walkers X 20
Troops: Pox Walkers X 20
Troops: Pox Walkers X 20
FA: Myphitic Blight-Hauler X 3 1291
FA: Foetid Bloat Drone, Plague Spitters X 2, Plague Probe
FA: Foetid Bloat Drone, Plague Spitters X 2, Plague Probe

Here to ask some Probing questions…

The idea behind this one is the slow crunch of doom as you have a ton of bodies covering the table with lots of rolls to try and survive. Then, once they get in range, the army will cause the plague to activate. The Drones/Haulers are there to help clean things up as well as the Daemon Prince.  The 3 Elite Characters help keep the Pox Walkers alive and just causes problems.  If I could choose some decent heavy choices (miss my Havocs) I could do a Brigade and get a ton of sweet Command Points going.

Overall I like the book and look forward to figuring out the sweet spots when I get some time later on this year.  Currently my lists for events are looking towards a Renegade list or an Alpha Legion list.  It all depends on if I want to pull out my Lord of Skulls and get the blood flowing or not.  Until next time (which will most likely be Ad Mech related) – don’t forget to wash your hands!!!

 

Have you got to play around with the Death Guard yet? What are you thoughts so far?

  • Fergie0044

    Some questions;
    -Daemon Prince with wings is 170 right? Stupid mistake GW missing that.
    -What melees weapons can a normal lord take? It just says from the melee list but thats an awful big list! Could he take that flail?
    -Speaking of which, is it legal to give the flail to your terminator/plague marine champ or must it be a regular guy?

    • Philip Estabrook

      I think you will find that Death Guard won’t have the option for wings. I believe the typo was in leaving the powerlevel cost on the datasheet. The point values in the back are likely the correct place to look and there is no winged demon prince there.

      • Fergie0044

        I doubt that. There’s a converted DP with wings proudly featured in the ‘pretty pictures of models’ section. And the fluff section says they can have wings.

        • Simon Chatterley

          He has wings in his entry…they just appear to forgotten to put his points in…

        • Philip Estabrook

          That could be. I am just thinking of the lords on bikes, palanquins, and juggernauts that no longer exist. The idea that they might remove an option isn’t that far fetched.

          • banana raccoon

            They even mention wings in the fluff paragraph for daemon princes. It seems they just forgot to pu- I mean they wanted us to have free wings! Working as intended!!!

          • Fergie0044

            Fair point. Wait for the FAQ I guess

      • Desmond Burke

        They can definitely have wings.

    • LankTank

      Champions can not have the flail, only a powerfust or plague sword. Lijewise lord cannot, he can only take the melee weapons stated on pg 69. He can take a balesword though

      • Fergie0044

        Ah how did I miss page 69!!! Thanks.
        I’m still not sure about the terminator champ though – if that’s true then he can take no special options at all just the standard sword or awe. Seems odd. I’ll ask GW facebook page and see if I get a response.

  • Ebsolom

    … and not a Plague Marine in sight : /

    • euansmith

      They’re all on Long Term Sick.

    • Diablix

      High cost and not-high-enough damage output IMHO

      • Fergie0044

        Compared to what? Poxwalkers only hit on 5+ so they won’t kill anything. And daemon princes, even 2, can only be in one place at a time.
        For that second list he’s relying on the drones to do most of the leg work at killing stuff. Haven’t tried them yet myself so dunno how good they are.
        I think they’re still a place for PMs. Even as just 5 man squads with max special weapons.

        • Moke

          I’m having trouble finding a place for PMs. They’re PL 7 which is only 1 less than a Bloat Drone.

          A Bloat Drone has double the wounds, double the move and higher toughness. They’re not quite as killy but can be absolute BEASTS in close combat thanks to the Fleshmower.

          • Fergie0044

            the 4+ to hit makes the blight launcher version not very viable IMO. Whats the fleshmower like? Haven’t tried it yet but it looks sooo fun, even just for having the model.

          • Moke

            it gives you +6 attacks at +2s, -2ap and 2 damamge. Plague weapon.

            Even at 4+ ws it looks goooooood

        • Diablix

          Compared to plain Chaos Space Marine. They cost 5pts more but don’t give enough to justify their cost imho. As an example Berserkers have more than double the damage output and cost only 2/3 pts more than a CSM. Ok that Berserkers are slightly undercosted, but for 5pts more PM don’t even have 50% more stayiny power…
          I’m not complaining, I’m a BL player, i just say that I’d go with poxwalkers too for a competitive list, at least you have a cheap unit with decent survivability

          • Fergie0044

            Oh no doubt zerkers are awesome this edition, but in the DG codex I think they serve a purpose.
            I’d like to see an even worth of points of zerkers vs cc PMs and see how that goes.

      • Moke

        I’d see the point with them if they could take heavy bolters or something else that was 36″ range. As it is, 3 plasma guns isn’t great. You can make them CC but they only really kill MEQs and you already have loads of stuff that can kill MEQs

      • LankTank

        I had a game yesterday where my 14 plague marines backed by necrosius and a putrifier did 30 wounds to magnus who had a 3++ rerolling 1’s. They then ate 2 squads of rubrics. So they can definately lay the wrath

    • ZeeLobby

      Well most IG lists no longer have IG in them either XD.

      • euansmith

        Four Knight Titans, a Culexus Assassin, and a Primaris Psyker is a very fluffy IG list. 😉

  • Fergie0044

    Some thoughts (based on one game);
    -The book really lacks good heavy support. The new tank didn’t do much for me. Killed a pred and nothing else. The 4+ to hit really hurts it.
    -Love the new blightlord terminators. dunno if they’re super competitive, but the champ with a flail made them a great cc unit. would have done better if i’d remember their special rules for re-rolling 1s to wound and 6s being +1 ap!
    -I’m theorising that Plague marines with axes, flail and a tallyman nearby makes for a nice cc unit. Not zerkers level, but good enough.

    • Moke

      The Plagueburst Crawler killing a pred means it got its points back, which isn’t nothing. Especially as they’re designed to hang out on a backfield objective.

      If you want anti-tank you’re going for Predators/Hellbrutes.

      The Blightlord terminators seem too expensive for what you get (IMO) – if they could all have special weapons that’d be awesome but hey.

      CC Plague Marines seem good but *very* expensive when you buy them the Rhino/BlightBringer

      • Fergie0044

        Yeah maybe, I’m just a sucker for terminators. I wanted to love the deathshroud but can’t see them being worth the cost unless they’re taking wounds for morty.

        • Moke

          Yeah, exactly. My buddy and I were experimenting with Space Marine terminators over the summer and found that TH/SS terminators with a Land Raider were *amazing* but most other varients were too slow for the cost.

          Like you, I really, really wanted to love the Deathshroud. As it is they’re too expensive. If they had an extra wound each or you got 4 of them for the same cost they’d be awesome.

          Wounds for Morty… I don’t know. You can only do that for 1 turn as Morty is so quick and then you’re stuck with a unit with a 4″ move in the backfield. Plus, then you’re paying 35 PL for that, which is a bit steep.

          Morty with the Putrescent Vitality + Miasma of Pestilence, Suppurating Plate and Tainted Regeneration should be enough to keep him alive in most circumstances

          • mrbleak

            Suppurating plate on Morty?? say what? I don´t think you can give Named characters equipment.

          • Moke

            Oh can you not? I’ve only had the codex for an hour so I’m still getting to grips with it.

          • Moke

            AH! You’re right. Thanks, I hadn’t spotted that rule. You win points. Boo. Ah well, he should still be okay with the other three

          • KingAceNumber1

            Named characters also have their own WLT. He gets arch contaminator. No regeneration.

          • Moke

            *insert swearing here*

            I’m bad at codecies, apparantly.

          • Grandfathernurglescleanbrother

            Not to put it on but I think putrescent vitality is on DG INFINTRY only. I say this because I had the same thoughts. I am searching for ways to make Morty more survivable. Those 18wounds go away too fast for a 470 point unit IMO

          • Moke

            WHY AM I SO BAD AT THIS?

            Thank you to all, without you I would be all YEEEAH I GOT THIS until someone pointed out my eight million mistakes.

          • Grandfathernurglescleanbrother

            Try not to get discouraged. I did exactly the same thing when I first saw the leaks. Then I got the codex and dove into the wording and sighed heavily multiple times as I read the INFINTRY key word in everything I wanted to put on Morty

    • Jimmy van der Poel

      How much as I like the crawler as a model, I think I’ll stick to the Blight-drones and it’s smaller cousins.

      Speaking of Blight drones and other Daemon engines…Do they benefit from Epidemus his Tally and Herald of Nurgle’s Herald of Nurgle rule? Or do they only buff FACTION keyword Nurgle/Daemon? ( since daemon is * keyword * instead of * Faction keyword * for DG daemon engines..getting confused at times 🙁 )

      • LankTank

        Ive been wondering that too. Id guess it wouldnt buff as when they state deathguard or legion it always references the faction. However the deathguard demon princes buffs both daemons (faction) and deathguard

  • euansmith
  • euansmith
    • ZeeLobby

      Lol. Yes.

    • Jimmy van der Poel

      Am actually wondering how much leeway you have with positioning the Scythe wielding arm and if all the flies and nurglings are an actual option to stick on the model or not..

      • euansmith

        I’m also thinking if one couldn’t just convert a Plague Terminator in to Typhus instead.

  • ZeeLobby

    Wonder if DG will be able to play tables again. As the first army designed purely with 8th in mind I’ll be watching this one.

    • Desmond Burke

      I think they will. I don’t think you’ll see many lists without Typhus, Flying Demon Princes and tons of Poxwalkers. Supporating Plate will be in every list as well.

      I think Goatboys first list will probably be the one we see most. My friend and I took a similar list to the first one to a double’s tournament yesterday which we won by clogging up objectives with buffed up Poxwalkers.

      • LankTank

        Boo Typhus, Necrosius! 120pts of savage psyker with a +1 to hit and the plague surgeon ability for poxwalkers