BREAKING: Giant 40K Mystery Tank – WOW

We don’t have any idea what this is – but Gav Thorpe confirmed he saw it with his own eyes.


OK, right off the bat, here’s the basics:

Here’s the original shot of the vehicle from “doot” on twitter:


Gav chimes in shortly thereafter with this:

The “Mini”

  • This a quite large mini. You can estimate its scale based on the Imperial containers behind it.
  • Unknown if this is a conversion, or something massive from the GW Studio, or Forge World
  • It is painted in Red Scorpions colors.
  • The top turret looks to be related to the Sicaran in design.
  • It incorporates many elements from the Primaris Repulsor tank.
  • Gav Thorpe specifically referred to Primaris Marines when describing it.
  • It almost appears to be a Primaris hover version of a Mastodon.


~Have at it with this one folks. What do you think it is?


  • LankTank

    I’m thinking FW as they have done the usual of taking a GW idea (ugly as hovercraft) and actually making it look awesome!
    Also, Red Scorpions.

    • Fraser1191

      The red scorpion icons is a dead give away.
      Unless they know we know that, which they then did to throw us us off or they know that we know they’d try to through us off and it is forge world!

    • ZeeLobby

      Truer words have never been spoken, haha.

    • SWISSchris

      Also that is not how the GW team paint their promotional models, as much as I wish it was. Looks way more like FW work or from a personal collection of one of the studio members.

  • SilentPony

    Huh. Kinda looks like one of those tanks from Halo.
    Also its gonna be expensive as balls.

    • ZeeLobby

      Dude. Crazy expensive. I was just thinking that. I mean this is bigger than a sicarian, with possibly the same load out, just to fit big marines. Can’t imagine what the uptick in price will be. The true reason for larger marines becomes more evident, haha.

      • euansmith

        I’m assuming it will be a monthly subscription, as moving that thing around the table would probably count as a gym membership.

      • SilentPony

        That’s bigger than a Mastadon! That thing will be hundreds of dollars!

  • PrimoFederalist

    “Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned… oh, wait – never mind! We’re going to go ahead and just make tons of new sh!t. But we’re still totally regressive and grimdark…. please ignore the cognitive dissonance you’re experiencing right now.”

    • carnifex49 .

      Then explain how to grow your game if everything should be regressing?

      • Ezra Ngawaka

        Give more stuff to Tau ;D

      • Drpx

        They just dig up a new STC whenever GW wants to release a new model.

      • ZeeLobby

        Cause lord knows if tanks don’t fly there’s nowhere to go from there… Sigh…

      • SWISSchris

        Actually releasing new stuff for xenos races, not just Loyalist and Chaos Space Marines would be one way.

    • georgelabour

      Which page of an unreleased book did you get your information from?

      Because a lot of us would love to know the background of the machine that may or may not be in a book that may or may not be released this year.

      • ZeeLobby

        He’s just quoting GW’s flippant design staff.

    • TheMawr

      to be fair, the council of terra upholds these rules ever since the emperor died and most of the primarches dissapeared. and most authorities held to them. Cawl wasnt in a position of authority, but did want to innovate, and is quite heretical in many ways anyway. He is there when guilleman awakes, next to him when guilleman takes over from the very people who kept to the rules you describe… with Guilleman in command (who has ideals and laws preceding those rules) and cawl closely connected to him; bam, innovation.

    • Munn

      That was one of the dumbest things for them to have to deal with in the long term. It’s good they killed it.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        Except it was the coolest thing about the whole setting.

        • euansmith

          That WAS the setting, wasn’t it?

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Yeah, more or less.

      • ZeeLobby

        It was only detrimental to making more money, haha.

      • Alastair Meek

        They didn’t kill it. They retconned it. They didn’t have the Tech Priests forced to innovate, they declared that Cawl has been doing so for 10,000 years. And the problem with THAT is if one Tech priest can get away with innovation on that scale for 10k years, others will do.(And yep, the Ad Mech book says that some Forge Worlds do indeed now have been innovating all along!) And since that’s about the timescale that took us from rocks to computers, the technology should be fundamentally different between 30k and 40k. And it isn’t.

        • Richard Mitchell

          Assuming that there is no technological plateau.

          • Alastair Meek

            -shrugs-. Golden Age of Technology tech VASTLY eclipses 40ks technology in more or less every way, so it’s unlikely that it would terminally plateau. Yeah, there’ll be slow downs, but over ten thousand years….

    • I_am_Alpharius

      For ever and a day it has alway been that, even though the Imperium is in a Technological stagnate state (not regressive*), when GW adds a new vehicle to the game for the Imperium then it is either down to one of three: A re-found STC being approved for manufacture after centuries of testing; a battlefield modification being accepted and approved for use; or they simply retro-write it into the background**.

      *I say stagnate not regressive, because the technology is not really going backwards as such. Rather it has been steeped in religious ritual and ceremony, as a way of control and fear of repeating the errors of the past (i.e. AI technology).
      **This last point is usually true for the Eldar or Orks

      • ZeeLobby

        Really? I thought it’s always been a retro rewrite (until the Primaris fun-days). Whenever a new variant on land raiders or land speeders, etc. Is added to the game it’s always been that “these existed back then too, we’re simply adding them to the game”. New STC has hardly ever been used for most vehicles (usually when it’s found it’s centuries ago).

        With Primaris this has pretty much changed. Now they are making new stuff on a whim. Not saying it’s a bad thing, but it’s definitely a different thing. I still don’t know why the imperium needed flying tanks… Kind of always thought that was a cool Tau/Eldar thing.

        • I_am_Alpharius

          In fairness, it is usually a combination of on of the other two methods of introduction and a dash of retro-rewrites for good measure.

          I get what you’re say with the flying tanks, but I would not say SM tanks are really “flying” in the same sense the T’au/Eldar do. I do like the concept for this “new” Imperial anti-grave technology. In that it does work, but it is really primitive and certainly not elegant when compared to T’au/Eldar; it only manages to just hover really a heavy tank off the ground through brute force.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. Maybe if it was just represented better in the rules. Right now there’s not much difference between Tau vehicles and the flying shoe or this outside of aesthetics. Just don’t see why these were necessary. Feel like they could have expanded in other ways that didn’t require advanced technology.

        • Severius_Tolluck

          The Land Raider crusader was innovation, made by the Black Templar in a specific campaign, and then was approved and adopted. Same with Baal preds, and such..

          • ZeeLobby

            Right. But it was always like a past-tense thing. It wasn’t ever like “Here’s the new summer campaign, and guess what the Blood Angels have created!?!?!”. It’s just different. A different way of doing it. We were used to exploring a larger world we only caught glimpses of, and now we’re living through the moment of the world as it expands. I’m not sure which is better. I can understand why people like both. Personally I just have more attachment to that older universe, where problems couldn’t have next-day created solutions.

          • Severius_Tolluck

            Suppose so, but I guess I remember the fluff where they had all sorts of whacky stuff, and ambulls, oh those rascally ambulls. So just depends on when you were exposed I guess. Most of us old timers that are more tournament minded came from the 3Ed days versus RT or 2nd. Which by that point the fluff as we know it was set in stone and it had a very developed plan at that point along with a set setting. Thing is, just like in Vampire, people got too attached to a setting, and made it their story focal point. I like a setting, but that setting does not have to dicatate your story, does that make sense?

          • Joyous_Oblivion

            99% sure the Baal predator is from an STC the Blood Angels found but did not give to the Mechanicum. This has been stated that it causes problems from Mars for the Blood angels as they are keeping STC plans from them.

    • OrbitalHammer

      they’ve made a big deal of cawl unlocking all these tech leaps, and that he wasn’t just a student of crusade era tech, he was there, living it.

      Not to be ‘that’ guy, but all of this can be explained away. Gulliman has returned and is shattering the dogma of the 41st millennia. Mars always had the ability to improve and build something new, but they were chained by dogma. Look at what the dark mechanicus can build when they’re given free reign.

      • Alastair Meek

        Cool. Why wasn’t Cawl killing in M33, when he was doing all of his heretek? Also..yeah, the Mechanicum told the Emperor to shove it, and the MEchanicus ignored Vulkan. Guilliman, who isn’t even from a legion they particularly like, doesn’t have the authority to force them to change one of the core tenets of their faith.

    • Talos2

      Cawl is a heresy era magus, he’s brought some of that knowledge with him. Guilleman would most likely have kept info on stuff too

  • georgelabour

    looks like a precuror to the new primaris tank. The fact it’s Red Scorpions tends to make me think it’s forge world.

    Perhaps we’ll see some Primaris mysteries revealed when that mechanicus/FW book finally hits the shelves?

    • DoctorBored

      I’m not sure how to feel about this. Happy that it’s ForgeWorld so it doesn’t take up a GW release slot… but upset that it’s ForgeWorld because of the cost of it and no-doubt wonky rules…

      • NagaBaboon

        ……..And wonky resin pieces that need resetting

        • euansmith

          That’s a feature! 😉

          • NagaBaboon

            I’d never thought to look at my models the way I like at Tudor cottages! That’s genius!

  • Muhamad Adhi Setiadi

    Guilliman, when Cawl present this to him:
    “You gotta be kidding me.”

    • AEZ

      Does it come in red… then it would go faster.

    • petrow84

      “Too bad, Bob, already ordered the delivery 10000 pieces for the chapters, Sector-wide. No returns.”

  • Ludwig Hesselbach

    Is possibly the Primaris Overlord flyer from the Dark Imperium book? That was the only kit referred to in the book that didn’t come out.
    Or is it a kit bash for the new Vehicle Builder rules in Chapter Approved 2017 coming out soon? Because the middle section looks like a Storm Raven with a Baneblade top and a Sicaran turret with Repulsor parts sprinkled about.

    • Shatterclaw

      Overlords a flyer..

      That’s things ground base.. Grab tech yes.. but she looks very heavy.

      It’s either a lot bash for the new vehicles rules.. or.. she the Primas answer to a Baneblade.. May be a mastadon.. either way.. it’s going to be expensive… if forge world 400. Pounds
      If plastic.. 175. If kit basbashed.. all bets are off

  • Companymaster97

    The size of this thing is absolutely ridiculous! I knew the Repulsor was Land Raider sized, but this is like… Baneblade sized!

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    A Primaris superheavy tank, that hovers, and has a lot of guns.

  • John John Slade

    That could be Overlord. I’m only guessing.

  • stinkoman

    im probably on my own here, but i think it looks pretty ridiculous. like they copy and pasted the tread design in the CAD, all over the place and called them hover elements. The front wants to be a land raider and the turret mount looks like something from the baneblade.

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      I agree. Like a pregnant hovering Sicaran.

    • euansmith

      I think you might be less alone than you fear.

  • piglette

    I’m gonna buy three and convert them into Ork buggies.

    • zeno666

      Not much work is needed, it looks very orky already.

  • Freddy Kruegerl

    Its a Forgeworld Tank

    • Brian Griffith

      Yup. Forge World were event teasing it at the last weekender or open day. A repulsor superheavy.

  • Marco Marantz

    Gav is a dope though; theres a reason why he is no longer in game development. That said its clearly a Sicaran on ‘roids. Sicaran was always popular so Primaris get theirs too. GW obviously couldnt have Primaris getting blown off the table by the Guard.

  • Ryan Miller

    Oh look… something new for elda…aeildareai whatever… to shoot at

  • Bet this is just an example of what you can do in the new Vehicle Design Rules

    • Marcet

      From my understanding the upcoming VDR will only allow you to design new Land Raiders to be used by marines and chaos marines, only in open play and the rules are only trial rules.

      This looks like a full FW model, based on it’s dimensions and the fact that it’s in Red Scorpion livery.

  • Simon Chatterley

    My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Try beer goggles.

  • zeno666

    Looks like a bad kitbash

  • Koen Diepen Van

    My god that is one ugly tank

  • Atogrim

    Uh, dang, that thing is UGLY.

  • BrianDavion

    Awhile ago didn’t they say FW was gonna make a Primaris marine super heavy tank? this is proably it

  • Luca Lacchini

    Not my cup of tea, but better than the Repulsor. Don’t think that Baneblade sized tanks fit the SM concept of surgical strike warfare, but oh well.
    At least plausible-looking for a grav tank.

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  • Harry_Jamieson

    FINALLY they release an Ad Mech transport option! It’s about goddamn time. /s

    I’m crying really.

  • Bakvrad

    Better be able to transport at least 30 Marines, +2 Charakters and a redemptor dreadnought and have an ability that let’s deepstriking units like inceptors get closer to enemies, as long as they are close to the tank.
    You know… Demi company support…

    • ZeeLobby

      It’ll hold 10 primaris. And they’ll only be sold in packs of 3.

  • I_am_Alpharius

    My money is on a FW Primaris Marine Super Heavy Tank. Its the Red Scorpion colour scheme that convinces me this rather than it being a VDR conversion or GW plastic kit.

  • Chris Hateley

    Look everyone; a new space marine release!

  • I hate hover tanks. White Dwarf say the Repulsor “doesn’t glide over walls, more pummels through them” Tanks on treads can do that. The Imperium does not need flying tanks…

  • EnTyme

    Still looks like something from GI Joe.

  • Talos2

    There’s An ultra marine one online now. Looks plastic to me

  • I_am_Alpharius
  • Carey_Mahoney

    Those side sponsons look so Star Wars.

  • helter266

    ugly af