40K: Chapter Approved – Table of Contents

Come check out the Warhammer 40,000 Chapter Approved 2017 Table of Contents!

We got a copy of the new Chapter Approved and we’re going to be taking a deeper look at it all week long – but for now take a look at what’s in the book and let us know what you want to see covered!

I’m really looking forward to diving into the Apocalypse rules! Oh and it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that this book contains Faction rules for all the armies that don’t currently have a Codex (or have one that has been announced).

We’re still combing through the book but there are lots of points changes that are going to shake-up list building in terms of having to re-calculate popular units. On the Rules front the VDR (Vehicle Design Rules) are really just Land Raider Variants – sorry folks! And if you’re looking for an update to the Smite Power or other Psychic Power changes – they aren’t here.

Also, if you’re wondering what the “objective marker” section is the Chapter Approved has examples of custom objective markers like these:

We’ll be back with more from the Chapter Approved all week long – stay tuned!

  • SilentPony

    Those objective markers look pretty great. Necrons are dumb, but they’re a pretty dumb faction so whatever…

    • Rainthezangoose

      That’s a pretty dumb statement.

    • Dkay

      Looks like they are just made from left Over bits. Necron one looks like they’ve used the extra crons the ghost ark when you make the doomsday ark. I like um.

    • Inquisitor Corwin

      Smart and 40k get along like ramen and ice cream. Derp is the name the of the game.

  • GiftoftheMagi

    So that supposed “Vehicle Design Rules” only applies to Land Raiders. Pass.

    • Marcet

      I’m pretty sure that has been known since the announcement of CA.

      It’s in this article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/31/breaking-news-studio-preview-from-the-nova-open/

      • GiftoftheMagi

        Never saw this. The only articles I have seen are Facebook and BoLS ones reporting the were going ti bring back the full rules, using the Land Raider as an example. Not just yet another Space Marine ruleset. One article on their community website as an aside in a much larger article after promoting it for week barely counts as an annoucement.

        So yeah, looking at this I see little to no reason to buy this book or support it. Most of it will be FAQed out of relevance within a few months, or replaced with a Codex. Disappointing release. And considering how clumsy the company has been handling new releases this year, I don’t expect improvement anytime soon.

      • Dooms Day

        No iTs been known you can usee the rules on other things as they said in the blog for vehicle design rules

        • Marcet

          I’m sorry but from the very first time the VDR got announced it was made clear that it was LR’s only and that it would only be for open play and that the rules were as a trial. That a blog says something different is not my fault.

          Curious though, which blog are you talking about? Because this is from the community site: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/18/get-ready-chapter-approved-nov-18gw-homepage-post-3/

          • Dooms Day

            https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/18/get-ready-chapter-approved-nov-18gw-homepage-post-3/

            This blog here. At the bottom off the blog it says you ca nuse thear rules for other vehicles

          • Marcet

            “…The beauty of open play is the variety and experimentation it allows, and perhaps you could apply these rules to Predators or even Tyranid bio-beasts…”

            Notice how it says “perhaps…apply”? That means that in order to do that you’ll need to jump through hoops and ask your opponent as those aren’t in the book and your opponent is well within their rights to say no.

          • Dooms Day

            And you have to ask your opponent anyway for using VDR.. the fact they say you can use these rules for those vehicles means there will be a section about using these rules on other vehicles.. Otherwise why mention it.

          • Bakvrad

            Because you can make people actively make up things on their own, and not having to chew everything for them because they have no imagination and/or logical thinking.

          • Defenestratus

            You have to ask your opponent’s permission to use any rule you want to use – its part of the social contract between participants.

          • Drpx

            Maybe you should find better opponents.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      On the WH-TV twitch stream is was commented that the VDR, aka Design you own Land Raider, are intended as a bit of fun for Open Play game and games within your gaming groups. They have only has LR as it is a test bed for the future to see how it goes down with the community and wheather the way it designed work. The LR is a very easy, versatile, kit to work with and it is an iconic 40K tank.

      • GiftoftheMagi

        A Twitch stream. Really. So they reveal the details on a single video streaming service post, rather than tell the GW Store rep I talked to less than 16 hours ago. Or post it in their store. Or online store.

        And this has far less to do with it being a “versatile” tank and more about covering models they already sold. I used to own a Terminus Ultra. Terrible design.

        So I say again, clumsy. This should have been a living rules free update, not a Chapter Approved book you pay for. For a company claiming that they are making things easier, they already have as many extra books, updates and rules options as 7th did at its end…and it is just getting worse. I mean hell they just put out TWO semi-Codexes you pay for, for armies that don’t even have a Codex yet! Sorry if you have Tau or Necrons or Dark Eldar, you have to buy two books before you get your own if you want to play.

        Bottom line: this all should be free. This is bottom feeding greed at its worse. I feel so sorry for players unfortunate enough not to have a Codex yet. But not a bit of sorrow at just how badly this edition has been handled. Kirby is not the only person they should have let go

        • I_am_Alpharius

          As others have mentioned it was also covered during the last week WH-Com article that made it clear it was just for LRs. In addition, way back in August when it was first teased on WH-Com it also said it was just for LR. So GW have not just told players this on the Twitch stream. Perhaps don’t just rely on fan news site and the such for your news….and the GW store rep should of known, it is part of their job to keep au fait with what get published on WH-Com so they can talk to customers – sounds like that chap is not doing his job rather than GW as a whole.

          End of the day the book is optional. Don’t like it, don’t buy it, split the cost with a mate or whatever. No-one has a gun to your head. It really is bit churlish to lament about it like you are doing.

          • Nameless

            how is a book that changes points values optional? or can I choose the use the cheaper points values printed in the Astra Militarum codex to the ones in the chapter approved?

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Within your gaming group hobbyist can mutually agree not to use the CA approved updated points and just stick with point values printed in the Codexes and Indexes. GW police aren’t going to come and confiscated your toys if you don’t

            It is of course a similar matter for tournaments, independant or GW. These event will typically (never really seen one without) have their own rules pack detailing what material you refer to when design your army. Again they may or may not decided to use CA updates (Match Play and Points). However, saying that, my guess it that 99% (if not 100% of them will be using it.

          • Nameless

            House ruling aside, I have never known any tournament, local gaming store or club not to enforce using the most up to date rules/points as a standard.

            Personally I’d feel as though I had cheated my opponent if I purposefully ignored the points increases. Having said that, the spoilers that I have seen do little to encourage me to buy a copy of the chapter approved book, especially after a main rule book, 2 indexes, 2 codexs already this year.

          • Gamecock13

            Sorry man, this isn’t “optional”. This is optional in the same regard that an OS update on an iPhone is optional. They place a nagging red indicator that you cannot get rid of and all updates are contingent upon updating. In the same regard, GW creates a situation where half your gaming group has already been provided their codex and have purchased it, so you’re saying everyone is going to opt to either ignore the rules or make them up as they go?

            As a Dark Eldar player, I’m tired of being outgunned by virtue of point reductions, stratagems and traits. Do you not think it is ridiculous that we are rounding on a YEAR since the 8th edition roll out began, and ELEVEN armies do not have their codexes??

            I agree with GiftoftheMagi, this is marketing ploy by GW aimed at milking very cent out of their fanbase. I have no control over that, but you’re drinking the koolaid if you cannot see it.

          • Apocryphus

            I personally don’t think it’s ridiculous that 11 arnies don’t have their codexes because how many do we have already? Expecting GW to release every codex within a year of a new edition is wishful thinking at best. They said that 10 codexes would be out by the end of the year and they delivered. By that release schedule every codex will be out before the end of next year. That’s record time for GW, we were lucky to get 3 a year in previous editions. As for a marketing ploy, the book is $35, it’s not like it’s the price of the rulebook or anything, lots of people spend $35 on single, monopose character models all the time and don’t bat an eye. It really isn’t as bad as you might think it is.

          • Gamecock13

            Here is a thing about a release: the company can determine how to roll something out. In this circumstance, GW could A) roll things out incrementally (creating major discrepancies across codexed and indexed armies) or B) create a complete product ready for delivery at the same time (i.e. build all codexes then release at the same time, in a similar fashion that they did with the indexes).

            The former option allows for GW to milk out the process, which I get – they’re a company trying to turn a profit. But it comes at the price of alienating a segment of their player population.

            The notion that their hands were tied and they’ve done the best they can suggests they had only one option. That’s not the case.

          • Apocryphus

            I didn’t suggest that their hands were tied, I suggested that releasing codexes as fast as they are now is unheard of practice based on their past release schedule. Every codex is probably finished and ready to be sent off to the printer, but printing hundreds of thousands of copies of 22 (or however many) seperate books at once is not going to be a strong financial choice for the company. GW is staggering releases because it benefits them as a company, and any alienation felt by players is purely on a player by player basis, and by no means the intention of the company (not to say that’s what you’re implying though). The fact that GW even released the Indexes at all means that they care enough about their player base to get everyone rules so they can play. Everyone is getting a codex, it’ll just be a matter of 6 months or so.

            In the meantime, Chapter Approved is continuing to tide players over and providing a wealth of new missions and rules that were separated into their own books last edition, each of which was $35 or so by themselves. Maybe it is a marketing ploy, but if it is, they honestly could be milking it much much harder.

          • Nameless

            I don’t feel that the cost of the single book is the issue, more the straw that broke the cammel’s back. A lot of the players have already bought 3(main, index, codex) – 6 (main, index x2, codex x2, forgeworld index) books. none of them are pricey singly but combined they quickly add up on products that isn’t miniatures

          • Apocryphus

            Sure, but at this point someone provided a link above with all the points updates, so anyone who only wanted those now has them free. 🙂

          • I_am_Alpharius

            I don’t feel from that statement you quiet understand how retail works in niech businesses…you can simple flood the market with new products all at the same – it actually result is in less sales.

          • Kabal1te

            What are you smoking. It isn’t rounding a year since 8th dropped. It won’t be a year until June 2018 which last I checked was more than half a year away. By January we will have 11 codices and that if they keep pace we will probably have 21 or 22 by the time 8th turns a year old depending on whether or not sisters of battle get a codex and what they decide to do with the assassins, talons of the emperor, and inquisition whom aren’t even getting faction rules in Chapter Approved.

          • I_am_Alpharius

            The studio is going to be continuing the current pace of release – so new codexes every roughly two weeks. Pete Foley has commented as such. At that pace then all the codex should be release by the end of August 2018 (depending on how many ones we end up with). One of the aims for the studio with 8th Edition is to have every codex published within 18 months of the start of the edition cycle – which is generally 4-5 years.

          • Nameless

            Is this the same 4-5 years that they promised after updating from 6th to 7th?

            don’t get me wrong, I understand why 6th lasted about a year, and even why 7th lasted only 2 but games workshop claimed at the release of 7th that they where going back too a 4-5 year cycle.

          • Apocryphus

            Well, let’s be honest, 7th ed was pretty much just 6.5. Most armies didn’t even get new codexes. I think with the format of 8th, it can easily last a long time, with a small core rule set and all the unique rules being spelled out on each unit’s data sheet, it’ll be easier to make any hotfixes necessary.

          • Nameless

            its not so much how long the edition can last, more how much can we trust games workshop when they say 4-5 years.

          • I_am_Alpharius

            I think it more in relation of Codex’s getting done that the edition itself. I shall edit and rephrase.

          • Raptor987 123

            This is correct, it won’t be a year until June 24th, I was at WW on the day so I can remember.

          • Andreas Noche

            Oh sweet summer child…I´ve seen editions come and go without an update for certain factions. Almost half of the factions now HAVE a book, that´s something I didn´t think to be possible (knowing GW)

          • Gamecock13

            Haha I’ve been playing 22 years, I don’t know if “Back in my day” is the best course. Poor historic business model isn’t a great excuse.

          • Andreas Noche

            The point is simple: Nothing is perfect or even great (well, few things are) from any perspective. So it´s easy to whine about, but it´s also useless. The thing you should note: An improvement has been made (how small it may seem).Now: how´s the comeptition doing, what can we expect from the future. Based on thism you can make predictions and act accordingly. And that is something worth sharing, because it might contain new thoughts and insights. Rants are getting old, we´ve seen them all

          • NNextremNN

            Even GW called it essential in their advertisement! How can you still defend them and claim this thing is optional?

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Because that is advertising spiel! Any company is hardly to advertise a product and say “get it if you want to”

            I don’t go to a film just because the trailers say “must see movie of the year”, buy a computer game because is “the game you should play”, a Gillette razor because it says “the best a man can get” or use L’oreal Shampoo “because I’m worth it”

          • NNextremNN

            Ohh now I get it. Anything is optional the rule book is optional, the index is optional, the codex is optional, the models are optional. Yeah in that sense it you are correct the chapter approved is optional too.

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Hahahaha…you were almost funny there….

    • Chris Stroud

      Yeah they described it as a test.

  • vlad78

    What is the content of battlefield terrain?

    • I_am_Alpharius

      Some updates to terrain datasheets from Indexes and lots of additional one for kits not included in the Indexes

      • zeno666

        Did they do anything about the terrain rules beeing kind of absent?
        Like give you cover for whole buildings and not just ruins?

        • Drpx

          But that’s complicated. I wanna just bum rush and shoot in 8th.

        • I_am_Alpharius

          Not in any of the stuff I’ve seen. Mind you, even as it is whole builds would give you cover with just the core rules for terrain i.e. if you’re in the terrain you get +1 cover. The advance rules for the things cover things like Bastions; and Index Imperial 2 cover things like Bastions and Bunkers etc…, which when inside the embarked unit can’t be targeted.

          • zeno666

            What if a guy peeks out from behind a bastion that is used as terrain?
            Shouldn’t he get cover as well?
            And the sniper peeking up from behind a large rock?

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Rocks and such I would just class as a tiny Barricade. For hiding behind terrain, like solid builds, my group uses the same rules for cover as the Imperial Statuary does in the main hard back.

            Thats not to say CA doesn’t add rules for hiding behind terrain. I’ve just yet to see it mentioned.

  • Look at this you will like it

    Pst… would you like to see some naughty pictures of approved points ? http://www.3plusplus.net/2017/11/chapter-approved-points-leak/

    • Heinz Fiction

      Nice to see they put some corrected price tags on a lot of that overpowered forgeworld cheese that is plaguing the battlefields (Shadow Spectres, Malantrophe…)

      • Ninety

        ….and even bigger price tags on a ton of stuff that was overcosted already

    • David Smith

      Interesting. Adds points for Primaris Units to the Deathwatch and Space Wolves.
      Aggressors, Inceptors, Intercessors, and Hellblasters for Deathwatch.
      Aggressors for Space Wolves.
      Still not on the list in the Index, but I guess that means you can take them…

    • Apocryphus

      Zarakynel at 666 points? I’ll just keep using her as a Keeper of Secrets, thanks.

  • Dmitrij Pozdniakov

    Objective markers are cool, but I wish they would be more adapted to
    Matched play. just painting numbers on those gorgeous models seems off.

    • Valourousheart

      It is possible to make custom objectives with numbers without the numbers distracting from the model. The easiest thing to do is make a model that makes sense to have a number painted on it. For example, making equipment pallets from the battlefield accessories kit look right with numbers spray painted on them.

      Alternatively you can design a number, letter, symbol or pattern into the design of the objective. Take a look at the Deathguard dice that GW made for an example.

      • Mr.Gold

        roman numerals are your friend here – if you have some spare weapons like lasguns with no hands molded to them you could arrange them to lean up against crates in ways to show roman numerals… I, II, III, IV etc.

  • Nyyppä

    Does not seem to do much. Armies that are viable stay viable, armies that are not viable don’t become viable.

  • Fergie0044

    7 pages of new points. 7 pages people – that’s what must of us will be here for. 7 pages.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      Why would they? The book would have had limited set of pages allowed from the outset of the product design. It would be a complete waste of pages that are free to download, instead of including more new stuff.

      • Can I be pedantic for a second, so I can criticise you for a change of pace?

        “would have”, not “would of” 😉

        • I_am_Alpharius

          Haha. True. Fixed. That is the problem when writing quickly – you can end up phrasing sentences in the same way as people sometime speak….or rather, should not speak…

    • Dooms Day

      Most people will be buying it for the full thing.. it contains rules for things that alot of people want like matched play and other factions.

      • Drpx

        “Hey, you want to use one of the new missions I bought?”

        “Nah, lets just do kill points.”

        Every. Single. Time.

        • Dooms Day

          You must play with the most boring people ever then. I’ve had the opposite…

    • zeno666

      As many have stated earlier. Its a very expensive errata…

  • Simon Chatterley

    Oh my word there are a lot of tears going off at the moment. People threatening to quit the hobby…actual rage posts frothing with vitriol about how GW is ruining there games.

    It’s literally cheering my morning up reading it all.

    The best counter point I’ve seen was “if you are getting upset then take it as a compliment as you “found” the most points efficient units in the game” oh The lols are strong today 🙂

    • Fergie0044

      Where? I could do with a good laugh.

      • Simon Chatterley

        Spikeybits had an epic rant yesterday I think…a proper melt down about GW “ruining” Rowboat with a 20pt increase..I agree with him for different reasons…I still think he should be 450 at least…

        Various pages carrying the leaks (I’ll not post links to avoid banhammers) and the comments all blend into one.

        My giant spawn took an absolute hammering but if Tzeentch or Nurgle they are about right. Feels a bit off for poor old Khorne and Slaanesh but they seem to have decided again pricing Marks seperate so it is what it is.

        My quad heavy bolter rapier just got 6pts cheaper though….so happy days there rofls

        • Fergie0044

          Ah some people. lol. Well my death guard seem to have done well out of this so I’m happy there.
          Would have liked a point decrease (well actually a power increase would have been better) for my ruststalkers but can’t have everything.

          • Simon Chatterley

            I do love certain sections of the wonderful 40k community though

            5th to 7th editions- GW is ruining the hobby with really slow or non-existent FAQ and Errata

            8th edition – GW is ruining the hobby with too many FAQ and Errata.

            Be careful what you wish for I guess 😉

          • Marco Marantz

            I dont see many people complaining about the frequency of FAQs…the fact that they need to issue amendments/corrections to frequently or so quickly after release shows they have little idea what they are doing and their formula for costings is off. I mean if players can read a rule and immediately know that its broken (OP or UP) the developers certainly should have picked up on it.

          • Marcet

            Apparently the group of testers consisted of 15 people. There are much more players in the world, I’d not be surprised if we are talking in terms of millions. This means that the amount of games played after release dwarfs the paltry amount of test games during the testing phase, of course things will be unclear with that amount of iteration.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      All ready about 10+ post directly to 40K FB crying foul about it. Particularly around the FW units.

    • Drpx

      Same people who wanted GW to constantly change and update this like a Blizzard game no doubt.

  • Karru

    I’m going to be honest, I really don’t see a reason to bring Conscripts any more, especially with the Commissar Nerf to boot. Now being the same price as the Infantry Squads, but still suffering from all the downsides of being conscripts, you no longer can use them for being just cheap fodder really. On top of the “Send in the Next Wave!” being now reinforcement points, could someone point out the reason to bring these guys?

    Infantry Squads have +1BS, +1WS, +3Ld and can be affected by Orders automatically. They also have access to Special and Heavy Weapons as well as the Vox. With Conscripts you have to bring at the very least a Commissar to give them the Ld buff, otherwise they will lose a lot of models as soon as you shoot at them once with basic weapons.

    To quickly note, this is not a whine, I am genuinely curious if someone can give me a reason to bring Conscripts instead of Infantry Squads and just bring in another Battalion for CP and/or just generally more firepower.

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      No reason that I can tell. I’ve read a lot recently and talked to my friends about this (assumed they would keep nerfing conscripts ) and pretty much everyone was in agreement. Why take them if the basic infantry unit is superior other than the fact that you can take up to 30?

      • Karru

        And even if you could take the Conscripts in units of up to 30, you can still combine your Infantry Squads to do the same.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          Yup! So why take conscripts? IMO it’s now just wasted ink on a page. Well done GW! That’ll fix those IG armies…

  • denniswong1

    Same people who wanted GW to constantly change and update this like a Blizzard game no doubt.

  • JakePaul