Chapter Approved Hints At Codexes After Chaos Daemons

We all know Chaos Daemons is coming after the new year – but Chapter Approved has an interesting clue for us to unravel.

Stable Abe has been poring over the Chapter Approved book and caught something odd.

Here’s the list of Factions that got their points updated in the book:

Codex Factions

  • Space Marines
  • Grey Knights
  • Adeptus Mechanicus
  • Astra Militarum
  • Death Guard
  • Chaos Marines

Index Factions

  • Adeptus Ministorum
  • Deathwatch
  • Space Wolves
  • Thousand sons
  • Harlequins
  • Drukhari
  • Genestealer Cult
  • Orks

These are grouped into factions who already have codexes, so forget about them for this conversation. Then we have Index factions probably far enough away that they need changes now to keep them competitive until they get standalone codexes.

Missing Factions

  • Chaos Daemons
  • Blood Angels
  • Dark Angels
  • T’au
  • Necrons
  • Imperial Knights

Here is where it gets interesting. These factions received no updates. Right away we can remove Chaos Daemons, Blood and Dark Angels. GW has already announced these, and they are coming out in very short order. Clearly they have the correct points already baked into them right off the bat.

But that leaves:

  • T’au
  • Necrons
  • Imperial Knights

Which means one of two things i true:

  • These factions are PERFECTLY costed with zero units needing updates.
  • These factions are probably coming quite soon in the new year. Close enough that GW felt it wasn’t a good use of resources to update them in Chapter Approved for only a few weeks.

~ I have a feeling Necrons and T’au are coming quite soon.  How about you? 


  • Jared Swenson

    I believe it’s because they didnt feel it necessary to change the points for those not listed. Whether or not we agree with it, it’s what GW feels at this time. Note, this chapter approved gave all the index factions some stopgap army rules because 40k isn’t supposed to get another codex, i am predicting, for at least another half a year. All signs are pointing to at least Q1 (after codex daemons) to be focused on AoS, with the divine portents campaign and all its associated updates and battletomes. We got our GHB2017 already which included chapter approved similar small updates to non-battletome armies. Now it’s time for us to get some battletomes right after 40k got their little updates.That’s just what I’m predicting anyway.

    • Boonkij Vacharawong

      Dis you say Tau and Necron no need for point updated? lol

    • Dovydas Bulanavicius

      40k is their poster child, with 8th edition GW stocks rose 400%+, in less than a year, if you think they will stop getting rich to give you AOS updates, I’d call that wishful thinking

      • Loki Nahat

        you’re vastly underestimating the impact of a weak GBP and the brexit vote on UK produced luxury goods, the growth in stock value is predominantly due to this, no 8 year old is going out buying GW stock because of 8th edition

        • Dovydas Bulanavicius

          Currency has nothing to do with anything here, we’re talking percentage amounts so units of measure whether it’s EUR, GBP or USD is irrelevant.
          GW was the best growing company in London exchange this year and that says it all – they’re doing a good job in the eyes of their investors

          It was because of vastly increased sales and those happened only because of the 8th

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha. I still can’t believe it. What is Britain doing if their best growing company makes toy soldiers. I don’t mean that to be insulting, but it just sounds crazy to me (and good on GW, their primary goal is stockholder pleasing and they’ve definitely done that).

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            don’t worry. we’ve rightly screwed ourselves.

          • marxlives

            To be fair, Britain’s biggest business is being a tax haven for the world markets.

          • ZeeLobby

            Too true. Pretty sure all the US companies use it as such. Lol.

          • marxlives

            Manufacturing? Where we’re going we don’t need manufacturing!

          • James Regan

            the weak pound means that uk made luxury goods are cheaper in america etc.- while its percentage based, actual price point makes a difference to sales patterns. GW products suddenly being cheaper than competitors (relatively, anyway) whilst maintaining the exact same profits and overhead costs gives them a competitive advantage even when the percentages themselves don’t change as a direct result. basically their products are cheaper and so they sold more, which given this isn’t a closed economic system, meant they actually sold more in real terms, rather than just selling more stuff at lower prices- this happens lots, and is why companies/stores etc. ever hold sales, as there’d be little point if cheaper prices didn’t lead to higher profits.

          • Dovydas Bulanavicius

            What you described was a theoretical example of what happens under those circumstances in a text book.

            In reality however it was different. They already had price discrimination to different regions, so nothing changed in terms of export price to the world.
            Only exports to EU changed. In reality, they simply changed the web-shop to have EUR and also increased the prices by ~10-15%.

            So actually:

            UK users pay the same
            World users pay the same
            EU users pay 10-15% more than they used to.

            Increase in sales is solely because of the marketing effort, hype and the new edition/products and of course – new players.

        • Boonkij Vacharawong

          But 8 years old is going to buy a lot of 40k model due to 8th edition. That’s why the stock price has increased.

          • marxlives

            I don’t see too many playing 40k. Now Minecraft stock…

        • V0iddrgn

          Brexit was awesome!

        • Nosebleed

          I want to challenge this comment, but it’s really a food for thought!

      • marxlives

        Reality bomb. In at 5 years AoS will have another End Times. Even without a quality argument, it is two systems competing against each other with the same pool of not just the market but of customers who play GW products. AoS, just like WHFB is not the real game. 40k is. But while WHFB was GWs initial flagship product, AoS is a merely a stop gap for 8th.

        • Talos2

          9th. Wishful thinking I’m afraid

          • marxlives

            You can take my life! But you can’t take my wishes!

        • Vicent Martín Bonet

          Man, that delusion still goes on strong. Chances are Malign Portents will just kickstart a second edition.

        • Nosebleed

          The real stop gap for 8th was shadow war. I’m still gutted that it is not supported in terms of gameplay anymore.

          • Moonsaves

            Which was also a stopgap for Necromunda…

          • marxlives

            True, I don’t know if that product is a just a retired period of GW throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks era.

    • Rob brown

      That is funny. GW have been releasing a Codex every two weeks or so for the last six months and you think they’re going to stop that practice for half a year to focus on AOS? GW couldn’t come up with enough ideas (that would make money) to fill one months AOS release at that pace let alone six months of it.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        Exactly. Studio have also said as much, that the release pace of codex is going to continue. Also…..I mean…’s not like GW haven’t launched two other tentpole releases this year in the time since 8th was launched or anything…….

        *whispers* shhhhs..secret, yes they have….

        • ZeeLobby

          Well their specialist games division has. I mean as far as we’ve been told it sounds like they operate pretty independently. Im assuming at this point a single design team, for everything outside maybe art and models (though they’re getting closer as well) probably is involved in both AoS and 40K lines.

          • william timonen

            I think he meant Death Guard/primaris?

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Nope, I meant Shadespire and Necromunda. Sure the latter is FW designed product, but the it’s also a major tentpole release, and due to the plastics involves, still takes up manufacturing capacity for tooling the moulds and casting them – for which FW don’t have separate facilities.

            The general point I was making, is that it is a complete fallacy that all the 40K release we have been getting, since 8th was launched, have been at the expense of other products. And, that the continued pace of 40K codexes will mean other games would not get anything; or, indeed, the release of products for other game means the release of codex need to some how stop. GW can quiet happily juggle both.

          • Talos2

            There is some truth in it. Titanicus is something fw give you the impression could have been released, but they said themselves they’re not going to release it at a time it will just get buried by 8th. They want it to get a proper launch. The success of Armageddon (to the surprise of gw execs but no one else) probably moved necromunda ahead in the pecking order and fw decided to use this month for that with no time for both

      • James Regan

        I think they may put out AoS releases and maintain codex release speed- they just need to do a couple of months with two codexes in the same week, and AoS on the release slot they save

      • EnTyme

        Malign Portents was already announced for Q1. It’ll go out alongside the 40k stuff since there likely won’t be anything new for 40k, just updates in that time frame.

    • I_am_Alpharius

      Studio team have stated that the current pace of codex release will be continuing in 2018. So that means a new Codex being published roughly every two week.

    • LankTank

      What? We know Daemons is in Jan and GW said that they will not slow down the releases as they will ensure all codexes are released as soon as possible. AoS is also far less lucarative than the 40k franchise so why wopuld they stop that?

  • Dooms Day

    I think ynnari are more likely for a codex after daemons due to there absence in the faction rules.

    • Boonkij Vacharawong

      I think Ynnari should be a codex supplement (like Farsight Enclave). And will be realsased after all faction get their own codex.

      • Neil Burns

        This, they’re not really fleshed out enough to warrant their own codex.

    • Koldan

      They have updated the ynnari box not long ago. Why should they add the index rules to it, if they plan to give them shortly afterwards a codex?

    • I_am_Alpharius

      Doubt that. Ynnari have effectively be gifted a boost via the publication of Codex Craftworld; given can use nearly every unit from it!

    • J Mad

      Ynnari should just be a Chapter/Trait like Beil-tan or Kabal, etc.. and placed in each codex with a rule “You cant use Stratagems unless its marked Ynnari” and each book could get the same 3 stratagems for them.

    • Spacefrisian

      Thats not how you spell Talons of the Emperor also lacking.

  • BrianDavion

    another thing to consider are new armies. we know a Custodes HQ is supposed to come out proably sometime early next year. we could see eaither an Imperial Agents codex, of a talons of the emperor codex by febuary

    • Erber

      I would love to see them combine custodes with sisters of silence and release a few new kits so it would be similar to Talons of the Emperor in 30k 😀

  • ieyke

    We better be getting a load of new gorram Necron units.
    Having to wait 3 editions every time to get new stuff is garbage.

    • Crevab

      don’t worry, I’m sure they only changed the entire design and background a little bit :p

      • Arykaas

        “We got sick of the Egyptian theme, it also competed with Thousand sons, so now Necrons are actually Space Nomads that wand- … wait that’s Craftworld Eldar; *Ahem* … now Necrons are space Scientists that wanted to get immortality to pursue moar science discoveries. Why ? Because.
        Also C’Tan are not pokemons anymore, they are Digimons, because they evolve in combat and get stronger for the remainder of the battle each time. This was suggested by Matt Ward.”

      • ZeeLobby

        “They came from a system of Old God pleasure robots…”

      • ieyke

        As long as we get a load of new units and models out of it, that’s fine.

    • Moke

      On the one hand the Necron models are pretty universally nice (although some are a massive pain, like Praetorians, whose staffs keep breaking) so they’re doing better than, say, Chaos Space Marines, who have some biblically terrible models, but on the other hand yes, some new units would be very nice.

      • Wonderdog

        Some new Warriors and a new monolith model would be nice. Plastics have come a long, long way since they first appeared.

        • EnTyme

          I think the Warriors are fine. Wouldn’t mind a new Monolith, but I’d really love to see updated Flayed Ones and a dual kit for the C’Tan Shards. Also Pariahs.

          • ieyke

            We don’t need any new models for existing stuff. It’s all great.
            We need a load of actual new units.

    • J Mad

      Dont tell that to a sisters player.

      • Grenville_Stickwood

        Clock reset

        • FrozenTech

          He didn’t ask for plastic models though…. wait… damnit!

      • ieyke

        Hey man, trust me, I know. I was a Witch Hunters player until GW failed to support sisters for a million years. Just because the Sisters need a whole new army more than anyone doesn’t mean the Necrons don’t need a crapload of new stuff too.

    • Neil Burns

      Just give back Pariahs!

      • ieyke

        I don’t even care about Pariahs. They’re MOSTLY just Lychguard, rulewise. Close enough.

        I want a whole mess of new gorram units, like the Space Marines get with EVERY CODEX.

        • Neil Burns

          Imo, they should deny 2 powers with a +2 Necrons have no way to interact in the Psychic phase, and that’s pretty awful.

          • Apocryphus

            Gloom Prisms!

          • ieyke

            Gloom Prisms

    • Spacefrisian

      Lolz you call that waiting, Battle Sisters say hi.

  • Mr.Gold

    the Knights in the AdMech books were not updated when admech were – hence why the knights probably didn’t get anyother points adjustments, also they gained a stratagem, relic and warlord trait in CA…

    • Spacefrisian

      Neither was the renegade knight, the one with all the options of the different Imperial ones but on a single page. Who is orderly now?

  • pokemastercube .

    tau should be soon i hope as FW seem to want to hold onto fires of praxys a little till that codex is out from what i am getting the feel of

  • David

    So IQ and fortifications (as far as matched play) weren’t missing then

  • I_am_Alpharius

    Sheesh….It took you guys two weeks to spot this correlation? Haha. 🙂

  • DeCold

    Knights got update in CA, but there was no update for Renegade Knights.

  • euansmith

    Squats aren’t on the list; Codex: Squats confirmed!

    • Spade McTrowel

      Think they were updated in the Generals Handbook. 🙂

      • euansmith

        I’m really hoping that the Kharadron Overlords make it in to 40k 😀

    • Spacefrisian

      Neither was the Hollywood Hootsmen…

  • Kabal1te

    Notice how the lack of updates to inquisition, and more importantly custodes whom we know is due for a new HQ at minimum soon. No mention of that anywhere here. I could see an imperial agents style book soon. Then sisters would have new rules and we could get on to the next edition already.

    • Evil Otto

      The Inquisition codex will arrive when no one is expecting it.

      • EnTyme

        No one expect Codex: Inquisition.

        • Evil Otto

          Amongst their weaponry…

  • Neil Burns

    “These factions are perfectly costed”

    I can almost preemptively guarantee that this isn’t the case.

    • Spade McTrowel

      They were perfectly costed.
      Then the minute hand moved. 🙂

  • Gamecock13

    I’ll have some choice words if my Dark Eldar are the last out…again.

    • Aurion Shidhe

      Agreed. Since the Ynnari are kinda dependent on the Dark Eldar I’m hoping we’ll get our codex quickly. I didn’t have high hopes for getting my BA codex quickly and I was pleasantly surprised that it came out when it did. So I’m keeping my hopes for a Dark Eldar codex low in the hope that they will surprise me again. :p

  • Ninety

    Nah, Tau and Necrons must be perfect. What could you possibly want to change about Broadsides and Riptides in the Most Playtested Edition?

  • Coltcabunny

    BOLS with the breaking news of the century there that Tau, Knights and Necrons will get codexes. Also water is wet and the Pope was recently discovered to be Catholic. More at 11.

  • Fenix Dargon

    Hes also forgetting Thousand Sons. The only points adjustments they actually got was a printed version of the FAQed points cost of Exalted Sorcerers. From like week 2 of 8th edition.

  • Nathaniel Wright

    The entry for Ragnar Blackmane had rules for taking two fenrisian wolves, so I’m thinking that Space Wolves might be getting a codex soon.

  • eMtoN

    The order I’m hoping for after daemons is:

    Space Wolves

    ..and I’m really hoping Drukhari contains Vect and Space Wolves has Russ.

  • WildWingZero

    They bloody better, I’m already pissed at the state of the Tau at this point, and the way how they left Black Templars has put a bad taste in my mouth.