40K: Custodes Details, Hired Guns, And More

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A few more details come out from Warhammer World Open Day, including new Hired Guns.

Hoo boy. There’s been a ton of stuff coming out over the last day–the Warhammer World event was a huge way to kick off the Year of Xenos, releasing two unexpected new Codexes for both the Imperium and Chaos: the Custodes and the Thousand Sons.

Those jet bikes do look freaking sweet though

Joking aside, these codexes do sound pretty cool. And as people groggily make their way back from the plastic-gold induced haze of Open Day, we’re starting to get a better picture of how these will work.

Now, since they’re the comparatively newest kid on the block, having stood in the Emperor’s Throne room for the last 10,000 years, the Custodes get most of the attention. From various posts on Dakka, Battle Bunnies, and the following Video from Faeit 212, we’ve got a few key details emerging:

So right away, GW continues to be GW, and we get the mention that Sisters of Silence probably won’t show up until most of the armies are done, surprising no one, but it’s nice to know. Also, though we’re starting to get details about what the Custodes will do: they’ll be good at fighting off hordes, which might mean their pole arms see a sweeping kind of attack–maybe a profile that does less damage but lets you make multiple attacks per attack.

You’ll be able to take these guys in groups of 3-5, you’ll be able to field single model detachments, and even if you’re not running a Custodes army, thesee guys will make some kick-awesome additions to Imperial Armies.

Jet bikes will, for now, only come with that Lance option we’ve seen in the pictures. There’s talk of a potential Forge World “Upgrade Kit” later that adds new weapon options. But, having seen the Sidonian Dragoons in action, lances are capable of really getting the work done. That terminator armor will have a few more variant peeves in the kits, and if you like pole arms and guns, this is the army for you.

But wait, there’s more. The other big release we’ve seen are the new Hired Guns for Necromunda Underhive. Which, holy cow, these guys are amazing.

pics via Battle Bunnies

These guys are incredible. That former Escher mercenary is basically a necessity for anyone, if you ask me. At any rate, that’s just a few more stuff from this first open day. And with that in mind, you know there’s a ton more in the works. 2018 should be interesting indeed.

So far the year of the Xenos has the Chaos Daemons Codex, Custodes, and Thousand Sons. So. About as expected.

  • Kabal1te

    Thank you author for pointing out the absence of xenos on what GW dubbed the year of the Xenos. I am very curious about the claim that Custodes sell “well” given they have one kit. I for one have not seen anyone running custodes save maybe one unit in an imperial soup list. I have seen way more celestines than I have custodes personally. I hope these boys don’t mark the start of codex creep but we will see. As I have said before between not wanting to start a new army and being displeased with the fact that they are shoving this out when just under half the existing factions still lack codices I will not be buying any of it myself.

    • Munn

      horus heresy they op and ya need 5-6 kits worth for a full armu

    • Fraser1191

      Maybe like the Chinese their new year isn’t on January 1st :p

      • briandavion

        A fisical year for GW ends on may 31st.

        • Carey_Mahoney

          And then they get fisical.

          • euansmith

            Let me hear you money work,
            Your money work.

    • Talos2

      The start of codex creep? You think that hasn’t already happened?

      • Kabal1te

        Touché

    • briandavion

      first of all the “year of xenos” as far as we know mostly comes from third party leakers, not GW. and god knows these leakers have been wrong before. it’s also possiable (even likely) GW wasn’t refering to “Jan 1st is new year, all xenos all the time” it could be that the “year” is from the prespective of their FISICAL year (their fiscial year ends May 31st) so yeah year of xenos could very well be intended to REALLY swing into play with the new FISICAL year. and we’re still in the tail end of “2017” as far as GW is concerned.

    • Come one folks – it’s January 7th. A bit early to claim the year is ruined. They have plenty of time to knock out a lot more stuff.

    • SacTownBrian

      Thousand sons are getting Tzangor, doesn’t that count as Xenos?

    • GravesDisease

      I saw 3 custodes armies at Warhammer GT heat 2. Anecdotal, like your original claim, but they dont seem as weak as deathwatch.

  • Laurence J Sinclair

    Custodes may well sell, but will they sell better than a plastic Sororitas release would’ve?

    • Doc Noble

      Frankly no. This will sell decently, but when Sisters gets released, they won’t be able to hold them on the shelves for a solid month for all the people clamoring to get their hands on them.

      • Kabal1te

        GW clearly doesn’t think so. I think GW has a thing against female models though. Especially all female armies. As the video stated they really have no plans for sisters of silence and are “considering” they may “revisit” the army after other releases. Sounds to me like they have become an after thought.

        • AEZ

          Sisters of silence are hardly an army.. I think Doc is talking about sisters of battle.

          • Kabal1te

            You didn’t watch the video did you?

            Yes Doc is talking about sisters of battle but in the video the video maker talks about asking the GW team about sisters of silence and gets told that there are basically no plans to do anything at all with them, in spite if sisters of silence having as much to them in 40k as custodes did before this was all announced and they could have easily been expanded upon. Instead they are left to nothingness while custodes becomes a full independent faction. My comment that it appears GW dislikes all female armies was based around this combined with the treatment sisters of battle have gotten.

          • briandavion

            sisters of silence though are really very specialized (they are also technicly elites so they’d need their own troop choice) so I could see them being more problematic then custodes. Honestly If I was doing them I’d proably slide them into sisters of battle and fluff that since Gulliman brought them back the two sisterhoods had developed a close relationship… or something

      • frank

        You could say the same about squats though too.

        • Kabal1te

          As much as people talk about squats, they really were terrible. I don’t know how they would actually sell without a total overhaul in concept and a totally new design direction.

          • Carey_Mahoney

            I liked them. And would still today.

          • frank

            I still like them and I think they could do it well with relatively few mods to the army and fluff, they really just need a somewhat more coherent aesthetic theme. That said there are fans of squats that would buy them regardless of them making these type changes or not. I think there are at least as many people who would be into it as genestealer cults and, squats fans have been much more die hard than Gsc over the years.

          • euansmith

            I would love to be able to play Kharadron Overlords/Demiurge in AoS and 40k. The minis are already done; they even have transports 😀

    • Nightwalker

      Of course not. Why do you think they haven’t released the sisters this year? They already had a stellar year for sales. Wait till a year that doesn’t have a good financial outlook, and that’s when you’ll see sisters; because they know they will sell.

    • Spacefrisian

      Once those drop stores wont have enough.

    • stinkoman

      depends on the rules. Custodes sell well, but because they are OP for 30k. i have yet to see them in 40k, so im not sure how other areas are. i have yet to even see any batreps on line with them in it for 40k.

      the bottom line is that if the rules support the army, the army will sell. if you just suport the stuff that sells because the rules are good, you leave other stuff behind and skew your saturation.

  • Graham Roden

    I’ve already pre ordered my copy of the codex, I’ve got 15 of them sat around waiting to be used. If I’m honest I’m getting a little tired of the whinging about them, the miniatures look great, the overall cost for an army will be low and I genuinely believe that they have been released now to set up the story for the year.

    • Kabal1te

      Do you really think the narrative is going to get very far before several other codices are released? Personally I don’t expect it to. Yes the minis look good, yes the army will be a small elite force (we know how well that works with GK). But that said there is no reason this couldn’t have waited and that’s the part that is bothering people. That and I think it makes little sense to keep making so many small factions that have to be updated each edition when they could have kept the sisters of silence with them and maybe merged them with some of the other smaller imperial ranges.

      • AntonisLak

        Exactly. No problem with custodes at all but the timing was insane. You fix what needs to be fixen (failcast upgrade to plastic and all the established armies codices) then you bring a niche army to the table.

      • Graham Roden

        I agree that the main armies should have been released first. The custodes could easily have waited, however as I said this might be a set up. We have two chaos primarchs due out imminently plus a few loyalists too. There’s no way Gullible is going to be allowed to be the only big primarch on the scene. My money is on Vulkan.

        • Kabal1te

          We have heard of Fulgrim but I don’t think there has been any indication of Angron or any other chaos primarchs. At least not yet. That said I would not be too surprised by GW if they keep papa Smurf the only loyalist primarch for a while since they seem to be fan boys of their own creation when it comes to ultra smurfs. The other issue though is they really can only advance the story line so much before issues arise outside the meta plot. After all characters in the guard, tau, and inquisition don’t have the life spans of your other factions. If you stop and look at for instance sly marbo when he was first introduced and when that was in the timeline, he should be a decrepit old man by the Ultima crusades.

          • eMtoN

            All easily handled by fluctuations of warp travel.

          • euansmith

            When Death came for Sly Marbo; Sly Marbo was ready and waiting. Death didn’t stand a chance.

    • Nightwalker

      While I understand your excitement, I don’t see why you need 15 copies of the codex, especially if they are just sitting around waiting to be used.

      • Graham Roden

        Well I’ve got 3 loos, a couple of cars, a shed, a garage, 3 bedrooms, a kitchen, dining room and a lounge plus a pair of bags. You never know when you might need to just grab a copy.

        • DrunkCorgi

          Toilet paper is much cheaper, but it’s your money.

  • Doc Noble

    At least now we know where some of the Rumor Engine hints went. The lances on the bikers, the giant eagle on the front. That knocks a few things out.

    All told, though, I couldn’t be more underwhelmed. At least Thousand Sons players can stop complaining about not having their Codex. I think it’s cool that the Mutalith is getting added to the Thousand Sons. It’s a real neat model and will help separate Thousand Sons from other Chaos factions.

    • Koonitz

      I’m super-ready to play my Tzaangor army in 40k.

      Though it’s curious to note that they mention Tzaangor Enlightened are coming in, but do not mention the Tzaangor Skyfires, which are from the same kit.

      Most Tzeentch AoS players made Skyfires out of the kit, ’cause they’re apparently the powerhouse unit for them.

  • JPMcMillen

    The hired guns look good, but I’m nervous about how much they will try to get out of us for them.

    • Talos2

      Im guessing the beastman one that’s already out is a good clue

  • BaronSnakPak

    I love that they brought back the helmets from the older artwork:
    http://www.frontlinegaming.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Custode_Legionaries.jpg

  • DrunkCorgi

    Wee. Another Imperium army. Than the gods, when GW declared 2018 the year of the xenos, I was worried I might actually need to dust off my dark eldar.

    • Kabal1te

      You can dust them off just be prepared to take them off the table as quickly as you put them on. I mean sure there was a brief moment when there was an almost good dark eldar unit in razorwing flocks, but they were quickly nerfed.

      • DrunkCorgi

        No, I get that the purpose of my models is to teach new players that ten marines armed with plasma rifles is the epitome of tabletop gaming. You can’t have cannons without cannon fodder.

        • Kabal1te

          My money is on the dark eldar codex being the last codex and having no new models with it, followed shortly by a new ynnari codex and range of models.

          • frank

            They are the wood elves of 40k…. not a good thing Btw.

    • Spacefrisian

      They also said imperium and chaos first, yet there is Eldar an Nids released already.

  • Boondox

    I doubt either of these will be on our radars for long before something else is released. Thousand Sons and Custodes were the last couple of Codex’es for 7th Ed. so with it fresh in the game designers minds it e easy to do a quick cut and paste into 8th Ed. dump them onto the shelves and move on. I’m hoping these two are just stopgaps before something cooler gets here.

  • Fergie0044

    “they’ll be good at fighting off hordes”
    huh. I would have thought they would have been good against elite marine like armies, given the big E used them to kill all the thunder warriors? but then i suppose if you can easily kill a thunder warrior, taking on 10 mortals is easy beans.

    • Spacefrisian

      They are good against all.

      • BaronSnakPak

        Unless they get FnP, they’ll still drop to smite, and hordes. They also lack heavy hitting ranged weapons, aside from lascannons on a landraider. They hit like trucks in melee, but that’s what theyre designed to do, and why you’re paying between 260-284 points for a 5 man infantry squad.

        It all depends on what the new units bring, but so far elite armies are very easily countered in 8th.

        • Kabal1te

          The video talks about being good against hordes in play test in that they playtested them against a melee ork army and they wiped the orks. I think a shooty guard army would clear them from the table quickly however. As would any army capable of mortal wounds spam.

          • BaronSnakPak

            I guess it was implied that I meant hordes of shooting, when I talked about their point cost and how they hit like trucks in melee.

            Still, I wonder what the playtesting scenario was. A max squad of choppa boys throwing over a hundred dice can be brutal.

          • Kabal1te

            The video describes a 3 man squad of custodes terminators vs a 30 man blob of ork choppa boyz. Said the custodes took out all the orks and only lost 1 and a half of their 3 dudes.

          • BaronSnakPak

            It sounded like he was talking about terminators, but even going off regular troop points for a 3 man squad with spears x3, that’s:
            180pts of Orks vs 576pts of Custodes.

            A regular Marine squad of 9 assault terminators with twin claws would do the same damage at 342pts to the Orks 180pts.

  • Rasheed Jones

    Where do people keep getting this “year of the xenos” idea from. I’ve never heard this from an official source.

    • BaronSnakPak

      I think a rumor monger first used the phrase? This is all I can find on it though: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/05/40k-rumors-post-8th-xenos-plans.html

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      It will be a year with more Xenos releases than any other, considering the majority are still yet to be released.

      • Rasheed Jones

        That is true, but if that is the case then it still doesn’t make sense, people are saying “its the year of the Xenos” therefore “custodes shouldn’t be happening now” if its not an actual event and if its just the math of more xenos unreleased then the “its the year of the xenos” stuff still doesn’t make sense.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          GW never called it year of the Xenos. That is the term that was applied to it because GW was front loading 8th with more Chaos and Imperial factions.

          • Rasheed Jones

            I get that, at least I do now I didn’t at first, what I’m saying is that people are treating it as if its some event that they promised. I get the disappointment, I’d really like a codex for Dark Eldar specifically since I think they have some of the best models, but beforehand I got the impression GW had promised something.

        • DrunkCorgi

          Honestly, I don’t care if GW called it that or not. The real name could be “The year of hey, GW, I’ve spent several thousand dollars and hours on your product, so release the competitive and fun rules so I can use my toys the same as everyone else.”

          “The year of xenos” is just shorthand.

          • Rasheed Jones

            I get that…but people still keep saying it like GW announced some event, when AT BEST they’re said that this is the Imperium vs Chaos EDITION.

    • euansmith

      I’m still waiting for the “Summer of Fliers” 🙁

  • Jason Bingham

    Quit your whining. Cry more- thousand sons players got rekt. I could have waited 5 more months for 8th but no i dove in on wrath of magnus because it was the best thing since putting up with every other army for the paat 15 yrs. Let us have our book then you can get back to spamming eldar jetbikes, riptides and wraiths. Please.

    • frank

      After playing against Tau at a tournament I can safely say they need nothing to make them good and the stuff that people use isn’t gunna change. I love my eldar, harlies and, dark eldar but that’s no reason to hate on imp and chaos releases. the logic seems to be “if anyone else gets an update I hate it”. Orks players can get mad i guess but everyone else needs to chill out out sounds like a bunch of whiny children talking about how things arn’t fair reading these kinda posts.

  • John John Slade

    When they are gonna release half-nude Custodes?

  • Skript

    First of all, I love the new Adeptus Custodes, as well as the Chaos Demons finally getting interesting and the Thoudens Sons getting their own Codex. Brilliant! Of course, it’s a bad start to say that this is going to be the year of Xenos because we have 7 Imperial Codexes and 5 Chaos Codexes, and that makes 13 to 2 which is not a good ratio. However, we only need Orcs, Tau, Necrons and Dark Elder. You can do that even in 2 months. That I will say one day about GW is amazing. So if March and April only Xeno Codexes, then we have already finished the four and I think that next Tau and Necrons will come out. Maybe not a good start to the xeno year, but maybe GW wanted to get rid of the three codex quickly so that there is no interruption? Until then, a new Space Marine Codex comes out, or maybe the sisters, women with servo armor and bolters who are absolutely no Space Marines?

  • Severius_Tolluck

    I am really digging those hired guns.