40K: LVO – Top Lists and Finals – Updated!

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LVO is ramping into the final rounds; here’s who is in the lead.

Update: Number 1 AND Number 2 lists below now

That’s right friends. LVO is in full swing, and that means it’s time to take a look at the proceedings. We’ve got the top ten finalists for you, as well as a more detailed look at the number one list which comes with its own warning about rage quitting in response to facing it.

But we’ll get to that in a minute. For now, please enjoy this list of the top ten armies taking home the bacon over at LVO. Bon appetit!

1. Ynnari
2. Blood Angels
3. Aeldari
4. Blood Angels
5. Death Guard
6. Space Wolves
7. Ynnari
8. Alaitoc
9. Blood Angels
10. Adeptus Sororitas

The Ynnari prove to be a force to be reckind with, holding down a few spots on the list. The Blood Angels also seem to be giving a good accounting of themselves, managing to snag the number two spot, as well as 4 and 9.

But, if Highlander has taught me anything it’s that Sean Connery can do a flawless Spanish accent. And if it’s taught me two things, it’s that there can only be one. So witbout further ado, let’s go over the number one list right now.

That’s a pretty sizable number of tempest launchers out there.

Update: We also have a look at the number two list, see below!

Want to see this list in action? Tune in to Front Line Gaming or Warhammer live later today to catch the finals as they unfold before your very eyes.

As for the rest of you, what do you think of these top ten finalists or the list we’ve got an in-depth look at? Do the Ynnari need to cool it, or are they ushering in a new era for reapers and space elves?

  • James

    Ah behold, the wonderful current state of the game- where every top 10 list is either Imperial or Eldar- doesn’t it just fill you with hope

    • Drpx

      Wait for Tau.

      • Richard Palmer

        And Necrons.

      • If Tau don’t get a massive general upgrade the only thing you can expect out of their codex is even more Commander spam.

        • Doug

          Don’t worry they are in for a nerf and a points increase. Standard GW pendulum swing!

      • Karru

        Tau has to go through a massive change before they can actually put up a proper fight. Tau got nerfed a lot in 8th edition to the point of mediocrity and were forced to spam one unit over and over again due to extremely weak internal balance. Not only that, they lost their signature rule, the Markerlights, when it was made completely not worth the effort and points needed to be invested in it in order to be actually useful.

        I do hope that Tau will be an interesting army to play again when their codex drops. Playing against them quickly turned into dull repeats of the same thing since you knew exactly what he had to bring in order to even have a shot. If he didn’t, it turned quickly into a clean-up duty.

        • ShasOFish

          Not to mention that if GW wants to keep with mediocre ballistic skill, the Tau need some method of getting around the “-1 to hit at range” rule that is permeating this edition.

          • John Henry III

            Tau needs point decrese to a couple of their weapons, their firewarriors and better mechanics with their marker lights.

          • Joey

            Markerlight mechanics arent really bad. The Problem is that the ones who benefit from 3 or 4 markerlights are so expensive that you don`t get enough value out of the markerlights. If the Battlesuits were cheaper we would have more synergies.

          • Karru

            The old system was fair in my mind and much, much more strategic. If it was as overpowered as people said it was, it was extremely simple to just remove the ability to “spam” the BS improvement over and over again.

            Currently I see absolutely no reason to take Markerlights outside the mandatory ones since a Tau army needs on average 10 Markerlights aimed at one unit to gain any useful benefits that they can’t get from other sources, such as Ethereals.

            Originally Tau was balanced around the idea of overwhelming firepower but mediocre ballistic skill. To counter that, Tau had to utilise Markerlights, which could be easily taken away by the opponent focusing on the enemy Pathfinders. Now they suffer from lack of hitting potential since they can’t improve their BS in any way that is reasonable. Add to that the plethora of -1 to hit rules we’ve been getting and you find yourself not wanting to play Tau any more since you can’t hit anything, yet you pay a high point cost for your units.

            It just isn’t fair at all.

          • euansmith

            Heisenberg Quantum Uncertainty Targeting: any unit that is normally -1 to hit at range, is +1 to hit at range to any unit equipped with this wargear. 😉

        • Bobby Hembree

          I don’t get it. Tau only have 2 phases. Movement and shooting. They took away jump-shoot-jump. And Tau still have a BS of 4+.

    • Erik Kristiansen

      Good to see sisters still kicking though

      • ZeeLobby

        Well I doubt GW will ever remove their rules even if they never update the models, so there will always be that chance.

        • Valeli

          Stratagem: Fog of War.
          0 CP
          When playing with the adepta sororitas, roll a d6. On a result of 1-6 your opponents will act as if they are unfamiliar with your army.

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha. That could honestly be a big part of it at this point.

    • Fergie0044

      Death guard says hi

    • ZeeLobby

      Feels like 6th and 7th all over again XD.

    • Steven Hyche

      Yeah every top list is chaos imperial or Xenos.

      • ZeeLobby

        Phew. I was worried Xenos had more than Eldar, or Chaos more than 1 Death Guard, but you sure showed him!

        • Steven Hyche

          Because it’s normal for chaos to only have death guard Right?

          Most of the xenos don’t have a codex so that’s a disadvantage but out of the ones with a codex 1 out of the two are represented.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean it’d be nice if there was a greater spread, unless we’re now playing a 3 faction game.

          • Steven Hyche

            They have at least 11 different factions in the lists above

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. And it looks identical to 6th and 7th. Imperials + Eldar + DG. Just thought things were supposed to change this edition. Guess not. Could just be my false hope. One day Orks, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, etc might show up. At least Blood Angels have found a place. I guess if they bump up one dismal faction each edition we’ll be in a good place by 12th?

          • Steven Hyche

            Because DG was a big deal in 7th and 6th right?

            The only thing that hasn’t changed is your constant negativity. Things are MUCH different now.

          • ZeeLobby

            8/10 Eldar + Imperials in top 10 at an event is almost identical to every event in 6th/7th. Lol. Yeah. So much difference. I need to find these anti-rose tinting glasses you wear.

          • Steven Hyche

            Because 1 tournament isn’t a big enough sample size for you to make that claim. Hell even an ork player won a 4 different Gt’s in 2017.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. It’s almost GW struggles with Codexes. The indicies weren’t bad. I’ll admit that.

          • Steven Hyche

            You have no basis for this arguement until 8th has a full set of codex to compare.

          • ZeeLobby

            Well then I guess we have no basis for either of our arguments then til they’re all out. It still looks as though with their releases the field is getting less diverse.

          • Steven Hyche

            Yeah we need to go back to those 7th editions errata faqs and yearly adjustments to bring balance back.

          • ZeeLobby

            I never said 7th was balanced. I don’t think 6th was either. In fact the game was never balanced. That said, they promoted balance for 8th. Not seeing it yet.

          • Frank O’Donnell

            I don’t think so, just look at GK dex & the Eldar dex & tell me if you think their balanced with each other ?

          • Steven Hyche

            Oh and Desth Guard have won 3. So less than orks world wide.

          • Steven Hyche

            And oh yeah Chaos space marines and Astra Militarium were slayin it in 6th and 7th. You are so right like always.

          • Spacefrisian

            Ah 6th and 7nth, where alot was the Taudar combo.

          • ZeeLobby

            There was a lot of X-dar. I remember Archon rerollable 2+ for a bit as well. Eldar we’re just broken, and it was only several units.

          • Will

            When you say “Imperials + Eldar + DG”, you seem to be suggesting that Imperials is one army. It’s about half the armies…

            These are the different armies we/I’ve seen place highly in tournaments so far in 8th:
            Space Marines / Ultras
            Blood Angels
            Dark Angels
            Imperial Guard
            Space Wolves
            Tyranids
            Eldar / Ynnari
            Orks
            Chaos Marines
            Death Guard
            Daemons

            Considering we’re about halfway through putting out codexes, and almost every faction that has a codex (and some that don’t) are listed above, I think GW is doing fine. I’ve played since third, and can’t think of any other time where the game has had more viable competitive options.

          • Lebowski1111111111

            You mise well stop posting Guard top finishes, they are early in the edition and have been gutted by chapter approved and FAQ rulings. Guard have been exposed when every single unit people considered good went up in price or was made useless, see commisar.

          • Will

            Even if i agreed that Guard are gutted and useless (which I definitely dont, even though they received a well-deserved nerf) it wouldn’t change the point I was actually making.

          • Lebowski1111111111

            Do you have any evidence they have not been gutted because not even placing 1 entry in the top ten of LVO speaks volumes to me when they used to dominate top 10s. I absolutely agree conscripts needed a nerf, not 4. Im sorry but the rest of the book is average at best and thats the way tournament results will start looking going forward.

            Lucky for me i have a huge eldar army and i dont need to waste my time with a subpar faction going forward.

          • HeadHunter

            By “every single unit” you mean Conscripts, and not Leman Russ tanks, right?
            It’s really too bad that those poorly-trained levies actually break when they take casualties now. 😀

          • Lebowski1111111111

            to be fair not jsut conscripts but manticores, heavy weapons teams, primaris pyskers and the cost of BS 3+ guns, all the increases were prolly just, but the rest of the stuff in the codex is average at best, and the nerfed stuff in some cases is just bad now. I find my Russes die easy or are easily crippled to low effectiveness, and its trivial to kill 7 guardsman in a 10 man squad and move on as morale will kill the rest. bs4+ units in a heavy -1 to hit meta are not good.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean as Steven said, we really won’t know til the codexes are out. But it’s pretty clear at this moment that reaper spam, and some Imperial combos make up the majority of the winning lists. You’d have to look at the actual content of each list, but I lump most imperials together because most just combo in the best of Imperials (which is legal, just unfortunate for other factions who don’t have 12 factions to combine. Like the final Sisters of Battle army in that list was simply St. Celestine + Imperial Soup. This is pretty common for most of these “specific faction” lists.

          • Will

            Yeah, exactly, we’ll get a fuller picture as the edition and meta keep evolving. Of course if the meta has become Alaitoc dark-reaper spam that is going to be hard for IG, but the pendulum always swings and Guard players will readjust or the meta will change altogether.
            One tournament with no solo IG list placing doesn’t mean they’ve plummeted into obscurity just yet. In fact, the guy who came second was 50% BA and 50% Guard, and had his warlord been someone else it could easily be Guard getting the glory. Very few Imperial lists now are solo faction, and Guard feature as prominently as any other Imperial faction. So Guard are weaker in that they’re no longer an easy win, but they’re certainly still competitive and will continue to feature in top Imperial lists.

          • zeno666

            They’re a one trick pony. But its quite a trick 🙂

          • Zingbaby

            Blood Angels look strong but it was almost all imperial soup lists and one real BA list that didn’t play a tough opponent until his second to last round. As soon as he met Eldar he got creamed.

          • ZeeLobby

            That’s unfortunate. BA have always been my favorite chapter, and I missed the rhino rush days. It’s just always felt like a constant shafting when half the units just aren’t that good at all…

          • Zingbaby

            Yeah I still think they can compete, but I hope their perceived greatness from this event doesn’t bring a nerf bat down on them.

      • Carey_Mahoney

        LOL! That one just made my day!

    • Solvagon

      Yeah, good that we hit Chaos lists with the nerf hammer, since these Daemon Primarchs are EVERYWHERE! /s

    • Rass

      Man, that’s really messed up.

    • Vicent Martín Bonet

      You mean that currently over 70% of the factions have a solid shot of getting into the top ten?

    • Steven Walter

      Dude…its all imperial codex that are new and Eldar need Dark Reapers nerfed hard (I play Craftworlds, I thinj reapers need the can badly)

      • Spacefrisian

        Or peeps should go combat and negate the Alaitoc bonus. Which is garbage once you figure it out.

        • Koen Diepen Van

          Can´t cc when your dead

    • HeadHunter

      I wasn’t aware that the Death Guard were Imperial.

    • Valeli

      I’m not going to lie… a bit surprised the adepta sororitas rounded out the top ten there (regardless of it having been another imperial faction). I’d have liked to see that list.

      • Lux

        Usually ‘Sisters’ lists in competitive play are just Celestine and maybe one other unit + non-Sisters units allied in. Pure Sororitas just doesn’t have answers for some things and scales badly anyway.

    • Randy Randalman

      For now, sure, but when Eldar launched, people claimed it was poop. We have three Xenos books in bound and Demons hasn’t been give its chance in the format yet. I can 100% guarantee you that this isn’t what the top 8 at Adepticon will look like. Furthermore, GW has been on top of stuff like this. Dark Reapers won’t be permitted to stay as dominant, just as Conscripts didn’t.

      • CKyle80

        This is the closest to rationality I’ve seen so far here in the comment boards. But it doesn’t matter, because the faction of 40k players and commentators on this board don’t care about what is happening to fix these issues, they only focus on the immediate to push their narrative.

        A few months ago the big outcry was how conscript, smite, primarch, and character spam were all breaking the game. “Just like 6th and 7th! GW doesn’t care about balance! People will leave the game because of this!” But when that was fixed you didn’t hear a peep from those people. But the second another army had an advantage, it’s the exact same people saying the exact same things. And when this problem is fixed, they’ll get all quiet until the next thing without acknowledging that GW is actually making an effort to fix these issues. The real irony here is that they’re more stuck in a 6th and 7th mindset than GW is.

        • Karru

          Here’s the tiny problem with your logic. Not all of the problems were fixed. Guilliman is going strong even if the other Primarchs were nerfed. Eldar have been this broken for 4 months now and nothing has changed. Book after book, massive oversights and bad wording are rampant in each release.

          One thing is for certain in this edition. GW does not care for balance. If they did, the decisions they are currently making wouldn’t be the ones being made. GW only cares for making big time sales and those sales are not being made with balancing the game. No, sales are made with doing major shifts in competitive scene in regular intervals to encourage competitive players to constantly change their armies. GW figured this out now and will keep doing it until it starts backfiring as more and more people become more sceptical about GW releases being highly unreliable and fearing that their units will suddenly become completely useless come the next month.

          This is why I didn’t bother with Chapter Approved, nor buying any of the latest codices after Guard and SM since they become outdated within a month of release.

          • CKyle80

            Ah yes, forgot those two from 6th and 7th: “GW doesn’t care about balance because broken lists drive sales from tournament players!” and “I don’t buy GW products anymore because the game is broken and I’m a bellwether!”

            Guilliman is strong but hardly broken. At most he’s in 3 of the top 10 lists here but I can’t tell because the top 10 haven’t been posted yet, so it may be less. Even before, he wasn’t stomping tournaments so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up like he’s proof of anything. And Dark Reaper spam really only started dominating tournament metas in the last couple of months. I expect it’ll get fixed some time in the next few months a la GW’s recent pattern, but they have to actually, you know, come up with a solution and test it before they release it.

          • Karru

            Do tell me in your clearly infinite wisdom and knowledge, why should one be happy to buy a product that runs the risk of being made completely useless come the next month or two?

            This is what happened to Conscripts for example. Conscripts have no place in a Guard army any more as they are just plainly worse Infantry Squads that you can take in bigger numbers before the first turn begins, after which Infantry Squads again just become better version of them via Combined Squads?

            Next up you have the Chapter Approved book. A yearly book that is a forced purchase in order to remain up-to-date in points or pirate it, which to be honest is more than acceptable in this edition.

            Meanwhile I do find it funny that you completely went over my comment regarding the amount of mistakes that GW does with these books. While they do strive to fix their problems, they are making a lot more of them. We are talking a massive increase in fact.

            Before, a codex would be released and there might have been a rule or two that needed clarification. Some books even got released without anything major being a problem rule-wise, things were clear as day.

            Come 8th edition and by the Holy Emperor on his Golden Toilet are these books riddled with mistakes and oversights. Ranging from extremely abusive loopholes such as the Deep Striking Primarchs using Daemon Stratagems to Wound Leaping Ogryn Bodyguards, every book has by default at this point rules that in too many cases need the entire rule re-worded. Considering the amount of them, one thing is absolutely certain, these are not “interpretation gone wrong”, but oversights of GW not actually realising how their own game works OR deliberate choices and then quickly “fixed” after it is found out to be utterly broken and abusable and the outrage begins. Remember, a few mistakes here and there is a coincident, a lot is another story.

            Many of the core game-breaking problems in the game comes from the core rules and the way the game works and especially army building does. People are saying this towards GW and what is the answer? Silence of course! Why won’t they fix this one? Simple answer, those sweet sweet sales don’t come with limited detachments, spam brings in the money and is a way better tactic to shift the meta in the tournament scene.

          • CKyle80

            Yawn

    • Zingbaby

      I like the ” Blood Angels ” armies. Well at least one of them was legit, think he was the only one in top 50.

  • Drpx

    Shouldn’t it be Ynnari/Alaitoc since it’s practically an even split?

    • odeepie

      yea i dont understand the lists. that “death guard” list thats in the top is heavily tzeetch demons with a few nurgle things

      • Kabal1te

        I think it is based purely on what faction the warlord belongs to

        • Its which faction has the most points spent.

    • I wouldn’t be surprised if all the “Blood Angels” armies are Imperial soup lists as well. It’s kind missleading.

      • Munn

        The 4th place list was pure BA

  • Erik Kristiansen

    And no GKs in sight 🙁

    • Its kind of like the lottery. If you have say 100 players and only 3 or 4 of them are GK, the odds of GK in the top 10 is slim.

      If you have say 20 out of 100 playing the same thing, you’ll likely to see more of them in the top 10.

      • ZeeLobby

        Definitely part of it. Lack of GK players also indicates that they’re not considered strong enough to be worth taking.

        • Correct. But that can at times be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

          There has been in the past armies that were considered weak and not worth taking that end up in the top 5 or winning events.

          If only there was a better distribution, that would make the data more meaningful IMO.

          • ZeeLobby

            But you of all people know how rare that is. It’s true of any system as well. Lack of players due to weakness is a more logical conclusion in the tournament scene than it’s just being overlooked.

            All that said I totally agree. More info would help.

          • Oh yeah no dispute. If a book doesn’t have an obvious game-breaking item or combo in it, it will largely be shunned.

    • Blues

      There was a GK list that was doing well. Keep in mind it was mainly because they took 2 Shadowswords.

      • When almost half your points are in 2 Imperial guard tanks it’s it really a Grey Knight army at that point?

    • euansmith

      They were there. They just mind-wipe any witnesses to their games.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        nothing to see here, move along……:D

  • Fergie0044

    Huh, does 3 units of dark reapers count as spam? I’ve heard they’re super OP right now but when people say ‘reaper spam lists’ i was expecting a lot more.

    • Ucheny .

      it’s actually 4 – there is a unit of 8 reapers, for conventional Yvrain shenanigans

      • Fergie0044

        Ah so there is, missed that bottom unit.

  • V0iddrgn

    How irritating that there no Not armies on that list.

    • Karru

      Not that surprising. The main reason why Eldar are doing this well is thanks to the fact that they are looking at -1 to anyone trying to hit them by default with the added bonus of other stuff they can get. This leads to armies like Nids and Guard where the majority BS 4+ become a 5+ by default which negates most of their shooting.

      • V0iddrgn

        Nids aren’t necessarily all about shooting, they have a ton of mobility and good assault options. I doubt Eldar have that much cheap chaff to block the overwhelming assaults.

        • Mike Forrey

          It’s not the blocking that matters. They can essentially shoot down any real threat you have plus a swarm army is very difficult to play under tournament conditions.

          Keep in mind also we don;t know what each scenario was so that can also play into the effectiveness of a swarm army. Tactical flexibility is a huge advantage in big tournaments most of the time unless you know you can nearly table your opponent regardless of objectives.

          • V0iddrgn

            I give up. I never referred to a swarm army, but that’s okay I’m not interested in writing it out for you.

          • Karru

            Eldar actually does have excellent chaff units to use against Nid assaults, it’s the Rangers. They can deploy anywhere on the map over 9″ away from the enemy, in this case you place them in a line a good distance away from your Deployment Zone so that Nids can’t DS anything anywhere near the actual damage dealers of the Eldar which is the Reapers and the Shining Spears as can be seen in the list above.

            Nids can’t move across the entire table in one turn with anything. Thanks to the fact that the Rangers are -1 to hit by default, you are looking at -2 by default thanks to the Alaitoc trait, which means you are hitting them at a 6+ with most of your units. This means you have to charge them, which is completely okay for the Eldar player since it leaves your units completely open for an attack. Swarmlord won’t be much use since he is going to die as soon as the Reapers open up, so there goes the Hive Commander ability for double move + charge trick.

            In other words, Nids lack the mobility to assault Eldar before they can do too much damage for it to matter thanks to their -1 to hit shenanigans negating a good amount of your shooting.

          • V0iddrgn

            I don’t think that 15 rangers are going to stop all of the assaults. Mawlocs laugh at Reapers hunching in the back of DZ.

          • Karru

            After which it is dead with maybe killing one unit of Reapers if it got lucky? You do realise that Nid lists aren’t going to be spamming Mawlocks since they only work against this tactic, other times you are taking Trygons, Genestealers and Swarmlord for the turn 1 doom charge.

          • V0iddrgn

            If Reapers are targeting the Mawloc then that’s a win IMHO. I see you have closed your mind to any possibility of being wrong I’ll leave it at that.

          • Karru

            But… why would the Reapers shoot at it when you can just turn the Jetbikes at it?

      • Ronin

        That -1 to hit should only apply to infantry that’s 5 models or less. You can’t be stealthy with a mob which is why I think it’s ridiculous alpha legion can give that rule to a blob of cultists or a screen of 16 guardians.

  • J Mad

    I want to see the BA and Sob list!

  • I_am_Alpharius

    I presume on the Ynnari detachment, the player has included the Craftworld names for completism? – as they can’t benefit from the Craftworlds associated ‘Attribute’

    • Perversor

      if i’m not mistaken this allow the Ynnari units to access to Craftworld specific stratagems, like Ulthwe guardians or Saim-Hann bikers also allow use of transports.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        Nope. The Ynnari gain the Craftworld stratagems via the Craftworld detachments. To use any Factions Stratagems you have to have a Detachment (excluding Aux.) of solely that Faction i.e. Craftworlds not Ynnari

        • Gorsameth

          The Allaitoc detachments means he can use Allaitoc strategems. And those can be used on Allaitoc units from the Ynnari detachment.

        • Perversor

          nowhere in the rules say that. As long you have 1 single Craftworld detachment you get access to all of those just like relics, then all is left it’s look for the matching keywords.

          That’s why the Shinning Spears are Saim-Hann and not Alaitoc so they can benefit from Warriors of the raging winds.

        • Spacefrisian

          Actually when a unit gains the Ynnari keyword it loses the Craftworld keyword and all benefits according to page 116 of the Craftworld codex. No one reading that?
          Just like many not reading the 2nd part of hold the lin, but not on 1st turn.

          • I_am_Alpharius

            Ynnari units don’t lose the keyword, they just don’t/can’t benefit from the ‘The Path of War’ and ‘Craftworld Attributes’ abilities. They can still use the keyword for the purposes of Stratagems etc..

      • Adam Richard Corrigan

        I thought you automatically replaced any craftworld to be Ynarri. So the units wouldn’t be able to benefit from those stratagems.

    • Solvagon

      I think you get stuff like the Autarchs Aura though.

      • I_am_Alpharius

        Ah yes duh! of course indeed and the Craftworld specific stratagems.

  • CloakingDonkey

    Ynari and Aliatoc huh?

    I mean I know the competitive crowd doesn’t care much about the fluff but is reading really that difficult?

    • Munn

      You’re wrong. The competitive crowd, in competitive events doesn’t care AT ALL about the fluff and laugh at you for worrying about it in the most cutthroat event in the world.

      • CloakingDonkey

        Well to be fair from a tournament organizer perspective, I’d ask this guy to rewrite his list. There’s no such thing as Aliatoc or Ynari in terms of faction keywords so none of the special rules apply to his models. 😉

        Hey, you wanna be a rules lawyering WAACer, walk the walk then.

  • Warrior24_7

    Let the whining begin… “NEEEERF” NEEEERRRFFFF”!!!

    • ZeeLobby

      Well I’m sure you’ll find some people to attack regardless ;D

      • Warrior24_7

        Who’s been attacked? No one’s has been mentioned… Oooohhh… “You” we’re going to start sceaming neeerrrff, but read that and felt bad and backed off! You know the saying, if the shoe fits, wear it Cinderella.

        • ZeeLobby

          Haha, it’s just fun watching you trigger. I might just respond with nerf to you from now on. It’s like your on-button XD.

          • Warrior24_7

            You’d respond with nerf anyway, that’s your style. You just can’t due to embarrassment. These lists are way too challenging for you. It’s fun having that mental edge over you because I know how you think!

          • ZeeLobby

            Hahaha. I didn’t even say nerf last time. It’s as of your mind replaces the words in a post. Fascinating.

          • Warrior24_7

            It’s your strategem, “if you can’t beat’em, nerf’em”. The truly sad part is, you won’t even try.

    • Nyyppä

      Oh, you mean like when they killed the CSM plus Daemons synergies because tactically illiterate people had a panic attack?

      • ZeeLobby

        they definitely touched one of his armies in a naughty way ;D.

  • Carey_Mahoney

    SoB among the top10!! Nice!!

    • Kabal1te

      SoB in that celestine was the warlord in an imperium soup list that had very few actual sisters units

      • Carey_Mahoney

        Hmm… That sounds disappointing. Were can I see the actual list, anyway?

      • Munn

        6 units of 10 seraphim. That’s roughly half with the other half split between guard and BA. It’s fine in my book.

        • Lux

          Tbf ‘Celestine + a bunch of one unit’ isn’t exactly a good representation of Sisters.

          And I say this as a Sisters player.

  • Chris Langer

    The constant whining and complaining by xenos players makes me happy they get their codices last.

  • Talos2

    Maybe theyll fix it but 8th is currently my least favourite edition. The armies that work just sit at the back And gun you down creating the most boring games I’ve played, others just rely on one must take character that’s totally broken, the rest are just poor. Lucky the models are so nice

    • Orkimedes

      Well, three of the lists are BA (one of them pure BA, impressively). Not many gunlines in those. There is more than one path to victory…

    • Lebowski1111111111

      i wouldnt worry about it longterm, dark reapers themselves will inevitably get nerfed to the point of uselessness really anytime now which i guess is what we want now. Though as a pure guard player, the recent (and mostly justified) heavy nerfs of certain things has exposed the codex a bit.

      • Spacefrisian

        Sadly true, and just when they finally got noticed.

    • HeadHunter

      I would not be surprised to discover that most of the people who don’t like 8th Edition 40K long for a return to 8th Edition WHFB. That would say a lot.

    • Munn

      Half of those armies were hyper aggressive CQC armies tho. The SoB list had 6 units of jump infantry with melta pistols.

  • Kevin Sechrest

    Oh, how horrible. You have Imperium, Xenos and Chaos in the top 10. Sorry each faction doesn’t Have equal representation

    • From the looks of it there were really only 2 basic armies in the top 10.
      5 Imperial soup armies with cheap guard screens and assault space marines
      4 Eldar soup armies with Dark Reaper spam and Alaitoc to get the -1 to hit.

      That’s not variety, that’s a sign of what’s current broken in the game.

  • Dalinair

    Well, doesn’t take a genious to work out what is getting nerfed next.

    • Karru

      I mean, this has been around for a while now, but nothing has been done about it. People have been having problems with the negative modifiers to hit stacking since it makes low BS armies not able to shoot at them at all. So I wouldn’t hold my breath for it.

      • Dalinair

        To be fair it took them quite a while to nerf conscripts, GW don’t do things quickly. So i’m not shocked but it’s bound to happen considering the top lists are mostly all eldar with reapers

        • Karru

          It took them around 2 months to give them two nerfs, which was the Order nerf and the size nerf, after that it was just hammering down on them until they no longer had any use in a Guard army.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Well in GWs defense now I field normal infantry instead and with the points I save on not using commissars I can field more mortars. They showed me?

    • Karru

      I mean, this has been around for a while now, but nothing has been done about it. People have been having problems with the negative modifiers to hit stacking since it makes low BS armies not able to shoot at them at all. So I wouldn’t hold my breath for it.

  • YannasPie

    Slightly confused by why the Ynari Battalion has craftworld attributes listed? I thought on p116 of the Craftworld codex they lose access to them?

    If a Detachment includes any YNNARI units, it is no longer a Craftworlds Detachment and will not gain either of the abilities listed below. (Path of War & Craftword Attributes)

    • Spacefrisian

      Its a hold the line issue, peeps read part one and run around yelling negating the 2nd part.

  • Jordan Cafolla

    Yeah, Sisters in the top ten. Id like to see that list

    • Munn

      Celestine and 6 units of 10 seraphim with melta pistols with DC deepstrike and Guard CP battery.

  • piglette

    Chaos BTFO. Nice to see Sisters up there.

  • Fraser1191

    Another nice “Blood Angels” list

  • Adam Marshall

    If you can’t spell you own keywords, you shouldn’t be allowed to have any.

  • Sybarite

    Love the feeling of seeing Blood angels come 2nd, check the list and it includes 118 guard models.

    • Erich Schoenholtz

      Yeah, it’s misleading. It isn’t really a BA army. It’s a BA army with soft friends.

  • Logandarksky

    does anyone have the sisters list?