Warhammer World Open Day – Custodes Announced

Put on your Golden Suits and get ready for the Emperor’s Guardians to return to the 40k Tabletop!

The Adeptus Custodes are making a big splash at Warhammer World Open Day this year. They are getting a new codex, some new models a new video to show them off:

via Warhammer Community

From the Custodes Trailer, it looks like they are getting all the bells and whistles in their new codex – Stratagems, HQ options, Warlord Traits, “& More” – which we can assume will be Wargear, psychic powers, and other army wide special rules.

“Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of  Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.”

That’s not all either – Battle Bunnies was on the scene and they snapped up some pretty awesome shots of the models on display as well:

via Battle Bunnies (Kaelo)

 

Pretty great stuff for fans of the Custodes! We’re looking forward to see what else they have in store for them in the coming months!

 

For the Emperor!

  • defensive

    The most disliked and insignificant 40k “army” gets a codex before core xenos factions…

    Thanks GW!

    • BaronSnakPak

      How are they the most disliked army in 40k? You’re literally the first person I’ve ever seen claim that.

      • defensive

        Never taken a look at the HH community then?
        Pretty disliked over there for how OP and out of place they are.

        • BaronSnakPak

          You said 40K. HH is 30K, completely different rule set.

          • defensive

            And it’s the only place they have existed as a proper faction before now.
            Insignificant in 40k, and hated in 40k

            Would you prefer if I changed my comment to:
            “GW essentially creates a new imperial faction before giving rules to existing core xenos factions.

            Thanks GW!”

          • BaronSnakPak

            They were a faction at the start of 8th: Talons of the Emperor. They have an index section with rules and everything.

          • defensive

            They had
            1 unique unit

            That’s not a faction.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Which is why they’re being fleshed out now.

            You also keep saying “core xenos factions”, are Eldar and Tyranids no longer core? And are the indexes for every other army no longer considered rules?

          • defensive

            And what a Tau, Dark Eldar, Necrons, and Orks? Pork chops?
            Not to mention Harlequins, and GSC.
            So far every Imperial and Chaos faction and subfaction, except for Space Wolves, Death Watch, and Sisters of battle either have a codex, or are already announced to get one next.

            And to think they care so little about these factions, they they set aside the time to invent new imperial factions before giving these existing xenos factions rules (After already having major releases for DG and SM), is just a bit annoying.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Dude, we’re 6 months in to this edition. 6 months! EVERY faction has rules, is completely playable.

            Have patience.

          • defensive

            But not every faction has a codex.
            There is a big difference.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Not really, because you keep saying “no rules”. Everyone has rules, everyone is playable. Big difference from what youve been saying.

            The only Xenos race that’s in dire need of a codex is Tau, because their index is garbage. I know this, because I play Tau. Every other xenos is playable and can beat the dex armies.

            And to your point about harlequins and GSC, both factions started off with only one unique unit.

          • defensive

            Oh no, the semantics. How could I have been so wrong?
            /s

            Yeah, Tau are in need of a codex. Same with Dark Eldar, Necrons, GSC, and Harlequins.

            And both are not core xenos factions, and I didn’t list them as such.

          • BaronSnakPak

            It’s not semantics, youre making it sound like you can’t play with any xenos armies, which is 100% false.

          • defensive

            Sure, you can play with them.
            Can you win with them? Not likely, unless your opponent is taking it easy on you.

          • BaronSnakPak

            I call BS. Orks and Necrons win in my local scene all the time. The index made Orks better than 7th edition. Tau is the only xenos faction that is a joke.

            I can’t speak to GSC, Harlequins, and Dark Eldar, because no one has them/plays them in my area.

          • defensive

            Orks are the only good index faction.
            Necrons are a bad joke, outside of one tactic, which isn’t even that good, it just makes their warriors hard to kill.
            Go look at their tournament results on here: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/itc-2017-40k-year-in-review-statfest.html
            Second from the bottom. Garbage.

            GSC are only good if you army is 10% actual GSC units, and 90% guard or nids
            Harlequins are useless outside of just being a secondary detachment in a craftworld list.
            And Dark Eldar are just sub-par and forgotten about. In a world of smite spam, an army that relies on hit modifiers, and had neither anti-psyker, or ways to stack hit modifiers, it’s a sorry state of affairs.

          • BaronSnakPak

            You know that tournament players make up a small fraction of the 40K player base, right? And that tournament players aim to abuse/cheese lists to win said tournaments. Those stats aren’t indicative of how good an army is, rather it shows how abusable an army is.

            Your average player doesn’t sit up at night worrying how to beat obliterator and cultist spam.

          • defensive

            And Necrons are neither abusable, or good.
            They are slow and immobile, offensively weak, and overpriced.

            There is a reason the only necron lists out there are made of big blobs of warriors, to get as much out of reanimation as you can, and even that’s not very good.

          • zeno666

            You can’t? Odd, you did earlier
            “Every other xenos is playable and can beat the dex armies.”

            Perhaps you should hold your breath for five seconds before posting and think things through 😉

          • majbjörn

            Your local meta is weak 🙂

          • zeno666

            Hey! BaronSnakPak doesn’t play those armies so they don’t need a new Codex anytime soon.
            They just need to git god. But Tau, thats totally different 😉

          • BaronSnakPak

            Did I ever say every army doesn’t need a codex? No. Did I ever say people with indexes just need to git gud? No. Thanks for missing the point of the entire conversation though. I said everyone has rules, everyone is playable, and everyone can win. Try again next time champ.

          • Nyyppä

            “Everyone has rules, everyone is playable, and everyone can win.” Literally everyone knows that that is not true…

          • Nyyppä

            Let me correct you there. Rules in this context = codex with working rules and unique stratagems. Ie. data which can be used to play the game.

            Hence all vanilla marines have rules, some of the other chapters have rules, nids have rules, CSM (excluding WB and TS) have rules, very soon Daemons have rules and so on.

            His point is objectively valid, yours is not. I don’t dislike custodes nor do I love them. They are literally an insignificant addon to the imperial faction. Them getting rules before the other factions is just a stupid move from GW. By doing this they are signaling that the factions left wanting are in their mind even more insignificant than custodes and sos.

          • Spacefrisian

            Now you know sisters of battle players felt for 15 years without a propper codex when others got theirs.

            Still bogus Custodes got a dex before the others, and iam afraid they do the same with sisters of silence.

            Its Harlequins all over again, eg 1 unit gets stretched into a codex.

          • Making existing armies balanced and competitive should’ve be priority over a completely new army of tasteless Space Marines

          • Talos2

            The indexes are no longer viable against most of the codex armies. Too much of what 8th ed is isn’t in them

          • BaronSnakPak

            Then explain why I’ve been to plenty of tournaments and seen Orks and Necrons competing and winning games against dex armies.

            Will they benefit from codexes? Without a doubt, but thet they’re a far cry from “no longer viable” as it is.

          • Manouel Tiger

            Or because you are bad players…
            Sometimes it could be so simple…

            seriously dude, stop giving excuses to GW…
            this codex is a non-sense

          • Skript

            Yes, GW sometimes does things that does not make everyone happy. GW used to be really good at making decisions that many people found strange. Unfortunately, you have to live with it now, that GW did something again, which you find nonsensical. I’m sorry.

          • zeno666

            Thank you

          • Talos2

            I’m sure you can create a tournament list out of them, I’m sure you can be competitive if that’s your thing, but when your opponent is getting all these extra rules like command point stuff, nice cards etc it just ruins the game if you can’t. They can win, but not consistently. It feels unfair and that’s just not a fun place to start

          • Talos2

            Also if you are the type that wants to build a certain army because it does a certain thing, you know the sword of Damocles is swinging above your plans as when the codex does come, everything might be different so you’ve wasted money and time. What we’ve seen so far has shown things can be quite different

        • wibbling

          Who cares if they’re ‘over powered’? Usually it’s poor players unwilling to think. They’re a small, elite army. Adapt, play better.

          • defensive

            Just an embarrassing statement honestly.

          • wibbling

            How so? You’ve said nothing of any use.

          • defensive

            Hmm, let’s see.
            2+ armour saves army wide, against 30k armies that are designed with taking on majority 3+ saves.
            Have base initiative 5, but 6 if they have better WS (Which they do), so they are always striking first.
            They all carry power weapons which cut through power armour marines.
            Units that are just objectively better than their marine counterparts (See, Telemon dread costing 25pts more than a Leviathan, despite being able to almost take on 2 leviathans at once.)
            Your HQ unit will never be beat in combat outside of facing a Primarch, and even then he can put up a good fight.
            And vehicles that come stock with oodles of upgrades that make them so much better than their marines equivalents.

            Balanced army.
            I suggest you take even the slighest look at a 30k game with them.

          • Jared van Kell

            But in 40K any army that can dish out a bucket load of mortal wounds will decimate a custodes army. So stop applying 30K arguments to the 40K game, they are separate game systems now.

          • defensive

            It was in reply to a comment specifically refering to their performance in 30k.

          • Skript

            Sry dude but you have to life with that you don’t have to like it at all but GW thinks that die AC are the next big thing and so that will happen. And why do you have to be mad? It’s just a game.

          • defensive

            How is a company supposed to know what members of the community want, if all they ever get is the positive reactions, and everyone that doesn’t like it, or disapproves, just don’t say anything?

          • Kabal1te

            You are assuming GW listens to anything other than the positive reactions anyway. That’s a pretty big assumption when you are talking about GW. That said I am with you. I don’t like this and won’t be buying it.

          • Skript

            and that is the normal version of that kind of reaction. 🙂

          • Skript

            I only see the problem of the loud minority. You don’t like it? Its to late. There will come and sometimes GW will do stuff you like and sometimes you don’t like. If you don’t like something just don’t buy it. I just love the AC now what? You don’t like them I like them GW knows there will always be somebody how don’t like what there do. just get over it and have more fun in your life. you don’t have to be mad because of some golden boys. 😀

          • Red_Five_Standing_By

            I don’t know, maybe base it off of real market research and sales? You know, like normal companies

          • defensive

            Not all that helpful.
            “Gee, this model range isn’t selling well, I wonder why. We have 100% positive feedback on it. Well marines sell well, just make them more like marines”

          • Skript

            I find it extremely funny that even here you are a minority, who find it terrible that they got a codex before the other Xenos. Most of them here are very excited and on the Facebook page, people find it great, even in the majority, even in the absolute majority.

          • defensive

            I count 7 people in this comment thread against me, and 6 + me for it.
            And 10 people in the rest of the commets against, 9 + me for.
            And only 2 out of the top 10 facebook comments are positive.

          • Skript

            Strange that I see this very differently, but funny that you count. Just breathe in and out. GW makes decisions that do not make everyone happy. But being upset about it in your way will not change anything. In a few months every army has its codex. Thousend Sons and demons come out. Who knows what will come next? But I can assure you that your kind of criticism will not work.

          • defensive

            Strange indeed, considering the numbers.

            I implore you to scroll down and see my previous comments on being talked down too.
            Doesn’t get you very far.

          • Skript

            I don’t talk you down. I just say that your kind of criticism will not work.

          • Nyyppä

            Actually you do and it’s obvious. You claim that the opposing opinion is based on pure negative emotional load and nothing else and that because of that false narrative of yours you are right (even though you have nothing going for your opinion) and they are wrong (even though they have a factually strong argument supporting their opinion).

            So, yeah. I don’t think that people are against AC as a force. The “naysayers” are merely indifferent. What people are against is that many, many legitimate armies without actual rules and some with rules that can not be used in a game (WB) are left waiting while GW pushes yet again new and almost meaningless imperial factions. New imperial factions that bring them almost no sales after the initial rush because, you know, people do not actually play them almost at all. At this moment it’s a stupid move from them in terms of finances and in terms of customer care. Those are the 2 things that make or break businesses so…in short they are being idiots and ignoring their community yet again…

          • Spacefrisian

            But they get negativ feedback and they did fix it, eg Eldar Autarch.

          • Nyyppä

            There are so many things in need of fixing that will never be fixed, most of which have been vocally brought to their attention. They do not care, it’s all just show.

        • Carey_Mahoney

          Out of place in 40k, for sure. Don’t they have an Emperor to guard? Or is the fluff advancing in that Custodes march to war throughout the galaxy now?

          • Jared van Kell

            They used to march to war back when there were 10000 of them but the webway war reduced their numbers to the point that there were barely a few hundred of them left, effectively putting them out of the Horus Heresy. Ten millennia may have seen their numbers increase once more to the point that they can fight once more.

        • briandavion

          good idea! OP factions hated on for that should never get codxes, elder and tau should be forever bound to indexes

      • AEZ

        Well big blobs of gold are a pain to my eyes (nothing against their lore or the models though, that is all good).

        • Jared van Kell

          Not all of them wore gold.

      • zeno666

        People, including myself don’t think Custodes fits as an army.
        Perhaps a small detachment in another imperial army kind of thing rather.

        • BaronSnakPak

          I can respect that, but it doesnt make them the most hated army in 40K. Ultimately though, it’s GW’s IP, they decide what they want to fit.

          Doesn’t the fluff state that there are thousands of custodes? In a 2000 pt game you’d be lucky to bring more than 30 of them, so I don’t see the issue.

          • wibbling

            10000 specifically and only.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Yeah, I think they can spare 30 dudes here or there.

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          By that logic, we should not be allowed to field Space Marine or Grey Knight armies. 90% of the time, Marines are fighting with a handful of squads, usually disseminated across an entire battlefront.

        • Skript

          The HH book Master of Mankind as show me that the Custodes are an army.

          • Nyyppä

            How does that make them an army in 40k?

        • Skript

          The Codex Astartes states that a Space Marine Chapter should be split into 10 Companies of 100 Space Marines each, plus a Space Marine Captain, Apothecary, Company Standard and Chaplain for each company. Existing outside the Company level organization, each Chapter has an Armoury consisting of the Chapter’s Techmarines, main battle tanks, and other armoured vehicles, a Librarium consisting of the Chapter’s Librarians, a Chapter Fleet and the Chapter Master, plus various headquarters staff and the Chapter’s Servitors and human Chapter Serfs.

          You see that a normal Chapter has 1000 SM’s more or less.

          • Nyyppä

            1000 marines or less that can be narratively situated almost anywhere in the galaxy. Custodes sit on terra.

      • Joshua Poore

        Second person. Most disliked.

    • zeno666

      2018 = the year of the xeno remember?
      Oh yeah, GW promises as good as their playtesting, lol

      • Talos2

        It’s the 6th of january

        • defensive

          They couldn’t go 1 week into the new year without imperium wank, huh?

      • Rafał Pytlak

        Year of the xeno= no profit. Power armour sells, deal with it.

        Full year with only xeno/normal human factions is not happening

        • AntonisLak

          IF they push/market xenos like smurfs and generic marines the profit would be there you know

        • Kabal1te

          If they gave xenos good rules and new models they would sell too. They are too focused on the imperium though. There are too many imperium factions and now you have even more because yes this is just custodes… But where does that leave sisters of silence now? Are they totally seperate from everyone now? Are they going to see a codex?

          • Jared van Kell

            I would say that Sisters of Silence will get folded into the Adeptus Ministorum book. If any army would benefit from units of dedicated witch hunters to bolster their ranks, it would be the Adeptus Sororitus.

          • Kabal1te

            I personally don’t mind seeing more custodes models. I just mind them being broken off into yet another small minor sub faction. One that will likely not see another model after this release ever. They could have made all these same models and put them in an imperial agents style codex like last edition had and I would be totally fine with that personally.

          • Jared van Kell

            I think that GW are being clever. Give people all the Imperial and Chaos releases that they want and once they have had their fill, present them with a tidal wave of Xenos releases to which they will be more receptive.

          • Kabal1te

            Or to which they will have no money in the budget left to buy. One of the two.

          • Sonic tooth

            Are the sisters of silence not the complete opposite of the sisters of battle? One seeing the emperor as a powerful human psycher who abhorred superstition, the other worshiping him as a God, burning heretics etc? Can’t see them getting along. I feel the null maidens should fight side by side with the custodes over any other imperial faction. Maybe I’m wrong

          • Jared van Kell

            Whilst the Sisters of Battle will by no means like the Sisters of Silence for their beliefs, let alone the fact they are Pariahs, they will be aware that the Sisters of Silence are utterly loyal servants of the Emperor and will work alongside them.

        • stinkoman

          their market will be driven by their rules and models. make good rules and models and an army of whatever xenos they come up with will sell. if they go on just sales, the best keep getting better.

        • AkulaK

          SoB’s also have power armour, yet they don’t have a Codex, your argument is invalid 😉

      • wibbling

        The simple fact is with so many billions of permutations it is impossible to playtest every combination.

        If you’re finding a problem, let them know directly however, the usual tedious ‘I take 100 pox walkers and one shaman and my enemy who took knights is over powered’ is useless to them.

      • John Archiquette

        I hope we get Space Wolves, then Deathwatch, then Sisters of Battle, the Sisters of Silence, then Chaos Renegades, then Inquisition, then Titans, then Adeptus Arbites, then they just squat Harlequins, Tau, and Necrons.

        • Kabal1te

          That would be one way to get a lot of people to quit the game.

        • AkulaK

          Don’t worry, a writer here in BoLS already wants to squat Eldars 😀

      • DrunkCorgi

        Every couple of months I like to check if it’s time to dust off my Dark Eldar and get the latest ruleset. The GW 8 ball constantly replies “Outlook not so good”.

        Thank god for Infinity.

    • Jared van Kell

      It is not like you can do anything about it, GW are a business after all and they will sell models they know are going to be popular, read profitable. I can tell that these will be popular, they are the first army in the 40K Imperium to have units of jetbikes. But how could you not see this coming? Custodes were always on the cards from the moment Guilliman chastised them in Rise of the Primarch, for sitting on their butts in the Imperial Palace when the Imperium was collapsing around them.
      Tau, Orks and Necrons are due this year with their own codicies. Dark Eldar are going to be later due to the tripartite nature of the army as balancing the Kabalite, Wych Cult and Homunculi Coven aspects, so that they can be represented, but also be viable as an army in their own right, will take some time.

      • defensive

        And how could they not see the backlash coming from the rest of the community?
        I invite you to take a look at the facebook comments for the announcement. Almost all of the top comments are negative.

        Is it worth annoying the rest of the playerbase still waiting on their codexes, to introduce a low appeal subfaction? Probably not.

        • BaronSnakPak

          “Almost all of the top comments are negative.”

          The loudest ones are always the negative ones, in anything in life.

          There’s also the GW factor, in that all the entitled people come out to complain for every single GW announcement. “But what about meeeeeeee?! GW is the worst!”

        • Jared van Kell

          Because people like to hate on something and more importantly most of those comments do not actually add anything worthwhile bar salt and vitriol. As BaronSnakPak mentions below, the most hateful voices are often the loudest, history has proven this countless times. They are a small minority and often the ones who try to drown out, intimidate or ridicule anyone who presents a voice of reason because reason is anathema to them.

          • defensive

            As opposed to just talking down to anyone not yucking up whatever GW craps out every month?
            What about that specifically makes it the “voice of reason?”

            Here’s something reasonable.
            Give codexes to people with armies that are waiting for them, instead of making wasting time creating limited appeal factions, and endlessly felating imperial factions.

          • Happycamper

            Jesus man why do you even play if you are filled with so much hate lol

          • defensive

            I’m not a hateful person.
            But seeing months and months of imperial and chaos rules and models come out, with barely a xenos codex in sight, only to have new imperial factions added in ahead of existing faction rules, and then being talked down too by said players and told basically “tough luck”, it gets a bit old.
            And I’m not the only one.

          • Spacefrisian

            Time for a new chaos codex on 1 warband…Sons of Malice

          • Jared van Kell

            I am not trying to talk down to you rather I am trying to engage you as an equal in a civil discussion, but you are making it hard due to your inability to see beyond your bitterness and vitriol to look at the bigger picture.
            The game is less than a year old in its current setting and GW changed a lot of things when 8th edition hit, not a lot of the changes were popular. To get some momentum going and keep folk playing 8th edition GW will need to engage their largest player bases, namely Imperial and Chaos players.
            In the current meta Orks, Necrons and Dark Eldar are unable to stand up to the current top tier armies without using one trick pony tactics. Obviously this is something that is going to take time to rectify so that different ways of playing the army are viable.
            The rate at which GW are going with 40K
            codicies they will have all of the codicies updated by the end of the second business quarter (September).

          • defensive

            Which was going fine, till the last couple of lines of your previous comment.
            People can dislike a move made by a company, and people can also like that.
            To just dismiss everyone that disapproves as unreasonable, is itself, unreasonable.

            I’m sure there was no one out there that didn’t expect them to put Imperial and Chaos factions first. Of course, they are the largest playerbases.
            But I’m also sure, that 99% of xenos players also expected to actually get their proper rules, before they started to introduce new imperial factions, with new rules.
            It’s highly annoying, and the backlash to it is 100% predictable and justified honestly.
            That’s a whole year some factions are going to have been waiting by the time their codexes come about. Unable to compete properly, unable to enter tournaments properly, unable to play friendly games against codex armies, without asking your opponent to go easy, or powerbuilding to compete with a friendly codex list.

          • Jared van Kell

            My previous statement was not specifically directed at you but was a general statement with regards to human behaviour.
            Now I possess somewhat of an understanding of the army creation process in the tabletop gaming industry. It takes
            time to playtest develop and playtest armies and, heck Custides were in development from just after Burning of Prospero.
            It is not that GW hate Xenos, it is that they represent a significant financial risk compared to the other factions armies as fewer people play them compared to Imperium and Chaos factions. The Xenos faction armies need work, that is a fact, and GW need them to be viable as armies if they are going to make them as popular as the other two factions.

          • defensive

            Such a situation only exists because they have engineered it that way, with the constant focus on space marines.

            40k is essentially a fantasy game in space. You have humans, orcs, elves, and all that.
            In most other fantasy worlds, these other races are as varied and popular as the creator wants them to be.
            You only have to look at warhammer fantasy to see that when you promote factions equally, people play them equally, or there abouts.
            If they promoted Tau nonstop for decades, they would be the main faction. If they focused on Eldar and made 10 different eldar subfactions, they would be the main race.

            If they gave attention to these factions, instead of treating them like an after-thought, they wouldn’t be so unpopular.

          • Jared van Kell

            I understand exactly what you are saying there. If anything GW will be aware of this and as a business, will be trying to do something to rectify it.
            Regardless of blame GW will have already had to see the Xenos situation as it is and whilst it is one thing to be doing something about the situation but another to be seen to be doing something about it.
            If this is indeed the Year of the Xenos as is claimed by GW then it makes sense for them to release the Xenos armies as a tidal wave as opposed to trickle feeding them between other faction releases as they will get drowned out by the more popular Imperial and Chaos releases. Let folks glut themselves on the Imperial and Chaos releases so that when the Xenos arrive folk will be more receptive to them as a breath of fresh air, so to speak.
            In can say with certainty that Tau will be the first Xenos army in the wave, then Necrons and then Orks. Dark Eldar and Harlequins will be released last to round off the range as those two armies need the most work to make them viable.

          • zeno666

            This, so much this

        • Red_Five_Standing_By

          You haven’t been paying attention to FW’s Facebook page. Every time there is a new release, there are hordes of people BEGGING FW/GW to give them 40k Custodes.

          Also, Facebook designed their system so that the top comments are always the most controversial. They do this because it
          pushes people to post more, and return to continue posting. It is the comment equivalent of click traps.

    • Inco Gnito

      Well, you are a bit of a c*!”t, aren’t ya?

      “No, I am not a hateful person”
      – Literally replies to everything with a hateful answer

      • defensive

        Says the one dropping c-bombs on people right out the gate…

        • Inco Gnito

          That’s because you are.
          You talk like one, you act like one ergo you are one
          “Why do I not get my codex”
          What you going to do? Stop buying GW products? Oh nooo, the community would hate to lose such a great person like yourself and how could GW go on without the assumably 50 quid you spend on their stuff each year

          • defensive

            Charming.

          • Inco Gnito

            I never wanted to be charming.
            You put out a ridiculous statement, assuming that your opinion should be heard and accounts for something.
            Well, here: have a statement back!
            You. are. a. C!

          • Skript

            Would a GW employee who would read your critique would think exactly the same thing you’re thinking about Inco. Is completely the same level and not helpful in the approach.

          • defensive

            Sarcastic as some of my comments might be, they aren’t without actual content.

          • Inco Gnito

            HAHAHAHAAH! You actually believe that?
            Of course not! You think:
            “A whining community needs to be supported and listened to more than anything else. Who cares about the creative process? Afterall, I want, I want, I want.”
            You talk about how “fandom” is bad and yet somewhat live out your own ignorant, perverted version of fandom, thinking that it somehow will have an impact. Kinda hypocritial.
            Masked in sarcasm, any approach to these slobbering “anti-fans” becomes virtually impossible. So, instead I just want you to know what I think of fans like you! I hate fandom and you clearly are a super-fan.
            FIY, you should look up the meaning of sarcasm and irony. You clearly are sarcastic, but I doubt you actually know what it exactly means.

          • defensive

            Haha good one m8

          • Inco Gnito

            Ohhohohoh, looks like someone googled “sarcasm” afterall 😉

          • Skript

            No that not sarcastic at all. but what ever just grow a pair and don’t be so mad. It’s still just a game and GW will do that kind of stuff you don’t like. Get over it. nobody cares about what you want. and bla bla crtitic is just more weeping you don’t get what you want. Or you may think that your voice is being heard and that GW is now adjusting its concept for the year so that you are happy after all, you know what’s right for the future of the company and you can make everyone happy and any criticism of you must be wrong because you’re just right. What ever I just don’t care enough.

          • Inco Gnito

            Skript:
            Amen, brother.
            I might have stated it too harshly.
            And for that, I apologize.
            I guess you put it better. =)

          • defensive

            No, I don’t think they are doing anything of the sort.
            Trying to shut down conversation about new products, and mindlessly accepting anything they put out is better though?
            I think not.
            Why even come to the comments if you don’t want debate on a topic?

          • Inco Gnito

            Ok, mindless fanboy, let me try and explain to you:
            You are not debating. You are demanding. You reject on a groundless level. And then elevate yourself to be better than those people you brand as “fanboys”. To me, both you and those people are “fanboys”.
            You both live out extreme emotions and thus hold a hobby that is very dear to me as a hostage.
            You stated in another branch of this “debate” (he says very ironically) that GW needs to know what the community wants.
            That in itself clearly shows that you are not so much interested in the creative process that makes 40K so unique, but rather in just getting what you want. Like a baby that is crying for his milk.
            I also, want certain things from the hobby, but if I want GW to operate more as a creative core of a sci-fi universe that I love, then I got to give them the freedom to think and do on their own basis, free from the pressure to perform as a company.
            You, clearly undermine this with you fanboy attitude.
            That is why I do not debate with a person like you.

          • defensive

            Oh really? Tell me more.

          • Inco Gnito

            Aaaand you didn’t read what I wrote.
            See, you are a c.
            Mindless fanboys like you are like that I suppose

          • Inco Gnito

            Like a baby:
            “I WANT, I WANT”
            “BAH BAH BAH, WHY HAVEN’T GOTTEN WHAT I WANT!”

          • Skript

            I already know your style. You want to be right and I can tell you that not everyone will agree. I can also tell you 100 times that your kind of criticism will not work, because it’s way too rude and either way GW will make decisions that will not make everyone happy. There were editions in which no or only a very bad Codex brought out. They want to provide all armies with a codex this time. You just do not agree with the order, that’s all. Your entire criticism refers to the order.

          • defensive

            I don’t think GW employees re reading through BoLS comments.
            But maybe someone comes along, reads the article, thinks not much of it, but scrolls down and thinks “Hmm, yeah hang on, what ABOUT all the existing armies without codexes?”
            “What ABOUT the constant sidelining of xenos factions?”
            And maybe they get a bit more invested into it.

            And those factions that went editions without updates, I’ll tell you right now, they weren’t space marines, or guard.
            They were Necrons, Tau, Dark Eldar, and Orks.

          • Skript

            And this time those factions will get a codex. Not as fast as you want. its just not fast enought for you. thats all. nothing more.

          • Kabal1te

            I hope you are right. But I fear there may be a faction or two that gets to claim being index only for years. Likely inquisition or sisters of battle. All the more reason not to have tiny sub factions like this new one to have to update every edition.

          • defensive

            Again, it’s not about the time.
            Having to play a sub-par army for a year while every other faction gets their codex is annoying, but it’s not the only issue.
            It’s about being constantly sidelined, and pushed out of the way in favour of obnoxious space marine pandering at every opportunity.
            It’s hard to remain invested in the game, when one faction is lorded over all others, both update wise, and lore wise.

          • BaronSnakPak

            Imperium and Chaos are fat and away the bread winners for GW, always have been. If that’s infuriating to you, then it’s your fault for not understanding the nature of the IP. It’s been that way for 30 years. It’s like going to a pizza place that also makes burgers, and being mad that the majority of people only buy their pizzas.

          • Kabal1te

            You forget space wolves which went most of 5th and all of 6th with no updates.

          • defensive

            Space wolves got their codex 18 months after the release of 5th, and there were hardly any codex releases in all of 5th.
            And 6th and 7th ed codexes might as well be the same thing for all it matters, apart from formations.

          • Kabal1te

            Space wolves didn’t get a 6th ed codex and their 7th ed lacked the formations and decurian style detachment that made later 7th ed codexes competitive. Guard while they had a 6th ed codex was in the same boat. So we’re chaos marines and chaos demons, and tyranids too.

      • zeno666

        What we have here is a typical GW fanboy.
        I’m so happy that we where able to find one out in the wild. Because they seldom go outside at all really.
        And what you see here as well is a typical reaction. GW just can’t do anything wrong, and people beeing reasonable about it as well are just the worst for them.
        Thus they react in a quite simple matter, namecalling and some odd reverse psychology where you call them out for acting the way that you are in fact acting! Like beeing hateful.

        Quite an extraordinary animal this one!

        • Inco Gnito

          1) Thanks for agreeing, as he clearly is just another mindless fanboy
          2) GW literally can’t do anything wrong
          3) Namecalling is terrible, isn’t it, you little sh…
          4) Yes, you should disagree with me
          5) Good! Let the hate flow through you!
          6) All I heard, was extraordinary

        • Inco Gnito

          Just to make sure not to spawn another remarkably badly crafted sarcastic answer, I will try and break it down for you.
          Wish I could draw you a picture so you will not get confused by the big words… but here we are, on the internet.

          Firstly: I did never say that it was the “hate” that I did not like. If you read my comment, you will notice that it was the hypocrisy that annoyed me (hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have higher standards than is the case), which in this case is stating:”I am not a hateful person” and then spewing hateful comments all over the place.
          I, on the other hand, have stated that I hate what he does and underlined that statement with hateful comments. See? Perfectly fine.

          Secondly: Yes, he displays a typical reaction of a fanboy, which, again, feeds into the hypocrisy that I am calling him out for. You might define “fanboys” as people who gobble up anything provided to them by the source of their worship. I do not, because I believe that a fanboy is someone who receives a strong emotional reaction from the source of their worship, good or bad.Also, a statement I implied which could be clearly understood if you would have read what I wrote.
          So, by viciously rejecting everything provided by GW, he becomes a fanboy.

          Now, maybe you, unlike the c*** up there, might be able to provide a proper answer instead of reverting to mindless tools taught by the age you are in kindergarten (sarcasm) and maybe I might retract my statement.

          Oh, who am I kidding, as if you kids have the mental span to keep reading a comment past the first 5 lines.

          • zeno666

            Well, my narration was aimed at you 😉

      • stinkoman

        just saying here, c-bombs, kind of hateful. negativity about a GW release, not really hateful, just negative. carry on, i got my popcorn.

        • Inco Gnito

          Fair point.
          I will refrain from such strong language in the future.

    • Matt C

      Where on doll did GW touch you, young man?

    • Sniddy

      Indeed – but I bet they sell well

    • GWELLS

      Most disliked? Fake news.

    • Daniel Stone

      youre wrong.

  • Badgerboy1977

    Brilliant and beautiful stuff, genuinely thanks GW 🙂

  • BaronSnakPak

    Those jetbikes are incredible!

    • Sicxpence

      Those jetbikes make me want to have Custodes!

      • vlad78

        Me too. Best part of the army imho. Terminators not so much but those jet bikes ..

        • Rasheed Jones

          The terminators look kinda funny to me, but those Jetbikes are SO beautiful. I love them. Custodes were actually one of my first purchases when I really got into 40k (before it was just me and a friend playing with the Dark Vengence box) and I always wanted their 30k jetbikes but kept building up my Dark Angels and Started a chaos army since they lacked 40k rules. These 40k jetbikes are even better looking though IMO.

    • vlad78

      yeah, fantastic.

  • zeno666

    Yay, golden space marines… yay…

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Now we’re talking!

  • Talos2

    New jet bikes already is a surprise, new options should be a good thing though as hopefully they won’t need to be as ridiculously all round hard if there are options

  • Graham Roden

    They look great, yes they aren’t Orks but they will probably come out soon enough along with Tau, exodites and plastic thunder hawks. It looks like this is part of setting the scene for pushing the story forwards. Expect World Eaters and Emperors children imminently.

  • Commissar Molotov

    I really, really, REALLY don’t care about this release, and that shocks me.

  • Shatterclaw

    Kind of wish these where space wolves.. or Dark Eldar..

    • Kabal1te

      Yea at this point it is kind of silly, releasing a full and unnecessary new faction while they still have at least 10 codices unreleased for existing factions. This could have waited. Instead it feels like those of us without codexes still for or armies are being neglected. Give good rules and new models to any army and it will sell.

      • Red_Five_Standing_By

        Custodes are the “hot property” right now. GW is just capitalizing on the market’s desire for more Custode stuff.

        Plus we are getting Daemons next week and Thousand Sons soon.

        • AntonisLak

          So no xenos at all? sounds logical

      • BaronSnakPak

        “Unnecessary”

        That’s a laugh. “I don’t want it, therefor it’s a waste for all!”

        At worst, this pushes the codex release schedule back by a month. The big wheel in the sky will keep spinning, life will find a way to continue on.

        • Kabal1te

          It is in my opinion unnecessary to make custodes their own faction and completely separate them from sisters of silence and the rest of the more genetic imperial range. If sisters of silence, inquisition, and maybe assassins were in here to or something like that I would be fine. Granted I think that death watch as a 40k faction was unnecessary (if anything should have been an addition to the inquisition) and I also think GSC being separate from the tyranid codex was unnecessary too. Same goes for making the two AdMech codices separate last edition. That was very unnecessary and GW must have thought the same because they combined them this edition.

          • BaronSnakPak

            What is and isnt necessary is up to GW and the market.

            It may be inefficient, but unnecessary is a stretch.

          • Kabal1te

            Perhaps then unreasonable would be a better term. It would be more reasonable to have a “servants of the emperor” type codex with more to it than make yet more minor sub factions with small numbers of units and no chance of seeing new units any time soon. Harlequins seemed to be the start of that, they have what 2 unit kits, a vehicle, and 4 characters? Genestealer cults, Assassins, deathwatch, and in Age of Sigmar the sky dwarves are all terribly small ranges really as far as what is unique to them, and god only knows when or if they will ever see new models. I mean sure death watch releases had advantages. Their bike kit for the price was amazing. People bought them for other marine armies (and now that kit is gone), same with there all the land raider variants in one box kit. Normal marine players bought it for normal marine armies. That said death watch both fluff and on the table feel to me like they should be in something bigger and be in a book with the rest of the inqioditoon. My opinion sure. But it seems more reasonable to me and sells your boom to more people as people who already have models in the book are more inclined to add the new models to their armies than I think people will want to start a new army.

  • Shatterclaw

    That said there rather impressive in the amount of ornate details.

  • autonoise

    Odd timing, With Nurgle Daemons getting new models I’d have expected a few more xenos codexes before we got an expanded faction with new models. I guess they could sneak a xenos faction in at the end of January with Custodes in Feb. Having said that the jetbike looks amazing and are those plastic custode terminators? Might pick up talons of the emperor with this on the horizon!

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      We are getting Custodes (40k), Nagash (AoS) and Thousand Sons (40k) in the new future

  • pokemastercube .

    so does by their wording mean the FW units will be in the codex? probably not but the wording………

    also the plastic jetbikes look really nice and i do like them more then the FW ones

  • Sonic tooth

    I think they should be OP. They’re the emperors own legion, not dime a dozen space marines. Any of the fluff I’ve read supports this (apart from when BL authors kill them off to make their pet chapters look good)

    • Red_Five_Standing_By

      Have you played against them in 40k or 30k? They are already pretty awesome

      • Sonic tooth

        No I’m a fantasy man at heart. I dip in and out of 40/30k fluff as it suits and keep myself up on latest events. I really like custodes and null maidens tho

  • Crablezworth

    Models look great

  • Joshua Poore

    Another Imperial codex. Just what the game needed. How fing dumb.

  • ZeeLobby

    Bikes look cool. Still dunno about seeing more Space Marines (even if gold and shiny) on the table though…

    • Kabal1te

      Agreed. I like seeing new models. I don’t mind the army getting new models. I just don’t like seeing this become a fully seperate independent faction when it could be a part of something bigger and more inclusive. We already have enough small sub factions and none of them have seen new model support in years. It would not surprise me if this army doesn’t see a single new model after this release for 10 years or more just like I expect it will be 10 years or more before harlequins see a new model. What is the point of making a new faction if there is no long term plan to support it. Harlequins, GSC, Kharadon Overlords, inquisition, Assassins, sisters of battle, everchosen, and more, all of them feel like this and here we have another to add to that list. I am not going to touch it for that reason.

  • Keaton

    In the first day of their release, more will be removed from tables than exist in lore -_-

    • Kabal1te

      You can say that almost daily about most marine chapters.

      • Keaton

        Not if you count chapters who have more than they’re supposed to (SW) or ones with successor chapters (Everybody else).

        I’m not sure when the power creep ends. Space Marines< Primaris Marines < Custodes. We get it, they're they Space Marineeiest of all! Screw guarding the emprah, let's ride and flex our custodes muscle!

        • Kabal1te

          Salamanders. But point is what happens on the tabletop never matters to the fluff anyway.

          • Keaton

            First day was an important distinction by the way. There are plenty of reasons not to like this release, immersion taking a gut punch was just one of them.

  • Keaton

    I’m not really on board with the chicken littles, but it is pretty damn irritating to launch a new model line and new codex when nearly every (already existing) xenos faction needs a codex.

    The fact that they’re basically just telling Primaris Marines to hold their beer is just gravy.

    • Kabal1te

      Personally if they had gotten tau, crons, and orks done first there would probably be a lot fewer complaints, and people would be
      more receptive to this, and that’s coming from a dark eldar player (we are used to being neglected)

  • Jared van Kell

    I am kind of hoping that we can take a Shield Captain on one of those jetbikes and give him a power lance. The idea of charging him into combat against enemy characters and monsters appeals to the former Brettonian player in me.

  • Jerin Price

    Oh lovely. Let’s make a NEW IMPERIAL codex instead of working on the number of factions that still need a codex.

    Sometimes I actively wonder why I’m a GW customer.

    That being said, I’m not blind, those bikes really are gorgeous. They’d make great emperors children imo.

  • Marcus Clark

    Looks like AC of “borrowed” the ‘Shining Spears’ but with more daka and prob better Toughness/ invuls. Cool models though

  • Sweetcurse

    Aren’t these the same size as primaris?

    • Bootneck

      No there like terminators on roids.

  • loveone789

    Aye boss werez da zoggin ork kodex???

  • Emprah

    Ooooh those jetbikes are neat. Perhaps some should be left near my Blood Ravens… as gifts.