A Teachable Moment from LVO 40k Championships

Hello everyone, Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson here discussing the streamed etiquette incident that went down at the LVO.

Editor’s note: This column reflects the views of the author.

Hello everyone, Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson here discussing for your reading pleasure the streamed etiquette incident that went down at the LVO and how we can benefit from this moment in time.

What Happened:

Two of the best players you can experience playing Warhammer40k squared off in an advanced round of the 2018 LVO. These players are Alexander Fennel and Tony Grippando. For the purpose of this article, if you could do me the solid: when you see either name please make the sign of the cross and mutter “long may he reign” when we refer to Alex and can you squint and grit your teeth (not too hard) and mutter “please don’t say that name” when you read Tony. It will set the theme nicely.

This match was streamed. This is an important part of this because we aren’t selling out stadiums (YET) but we do have the awesome luxury of being viewers on a stream due to the fantastic dedication to make that possible by the FLG crew. Fortunately/Unfortunately this also means we have over a thousand people ready to bare witness to how we play and what is going on. It can also add stress and can make an already difficult situation, even more so. I say this not as an excuse but rather as a way to set the table for what is to come.

The match featured Alex (long may he reign) playing Space Wolves (mostly) and Tony playing Aeldareeeeeeee (Eldar). Both players had recently been selected by Sean Nayden (Team USA’s Captain) to be members of Team USA to go off to a foreign land and underperform at the ETC. A huge honor in Warhammer 40,000 and of course something we all take very seriously. Aside from tha Alex and Tony have competed, practiced and socialized as they are both top players in a community that while growing is still very small.

Tony’s deployment/first turn took something along the lines of 1 hour. This is incredibly inefficient and when the total game is supposed to be 2.5 hours can also become a problem. Whether that factored in or not I do not know as I have not asked Alex (long may he reign) directly but speeding up the remainder of the game is expected. When the time came for Alex (long may he reign) to take his turn he began by deploying one of his Assassins. This is something you would need to do “at the end of the movement phase.” This isn’t nothing by the way. Sometimes where we want to drop those deep strikers is in a place occupied by normally deployed units OR how far something advances and thus can then synergize with the unit arriving from reserves can also benefit from knowing exactly where something like an Assassin would be. Bottom line: Alex moved improperly and he knew it. Alex doesn’t contest this and freely admitted it on the stream. Tony Super-Helpful-Here-Let-Me-Measure-That-For-You Grippando was NOT WRONG in enforcing a order of operations mistake on Alex. But, but… butttttttttttttttttt — it was wrong to do it. The worst part? We all know it. Nobody on the stream, at the event or wearing the skin of Tony or Alex for one second thought it was OK. I will get to that later though.

Alex having not moved his entire army, an army of which is made up mostly of assault units called it then and there only moments later deciding to play it out. The game however was mostly over and we didn’t get to see two top tier players duke it out but rather one player exemplifying class and another (unfortunately) embodying what many would call the worst side of Warhammer 40,000 competitive play.

The game would result in Tony winning only to then face Nick Nanovati who would “Tony him” and jump his overall ITC score by ONE POINT to win $4,000, tons of prizes AND the title of ITC and LVO 40k champion.. WOAH. If people wanted justice.. well, they got it. But lets break down this event and talk about how we can all walk away from this better people.

Tony Grippando

Tony by the way, is not a bad guy. In fact, he is super nice. Am I saying this because he could crush my head like a pineapple with his rippling muscles and strangely perfectly angled jaw? Nope. In my time I was pretty buff too.. but we can talk about my body at a later date and preferably after I’ve been exercising for awhile. Tony is a top tier player who had a helluva year. His ATC team won for like, the 4th time? Which is amazing. He was at the top of the ITC which considering it has 7,000+ people involved is incredible AND he was in the top 8 at the LVO. But beyond that I’ve been around Tony and whether you want to believe it or not I am here to tell you he is a nice guy. Perhaps more relevant though is that he LOVES Warhammer 40,000 and competes at the highest level. That could be the excuse we make here for him. Surrounded by his peers at the final tourney of the circuit he was a few wins away from realizing his goals/dreams and nothing was going to stop him. Tony is also a young guy and in my experience in THESE moments specifically you can sometimes act out of character to help get that final push across the line.

Excuses or not the etiquette and “code of conduct” we Warhammer 40,000 players hold ourselves to IS important. It’s unofficial (in most competitions) but it’s unversally known. Had Alex’s movement been anything but him trying to speed up the game what Tony said/did wouldn’t be looked down on. We all make mistakes. But to help him measure out a move you were then going to point out signifies the end of his phase.. knowing this was clearly not what he intended is the kind of Warhammer 40,000 WE DON’T WANT TO WIN BY. We’ve all met “that guy” and if you haven’t? There is someone who is reluctant to attend a tourney because of the stereotype of “that guy.” Now, in my experience this kind of thing is rare and most people would never do what Tony did.. especially to a teammate, friend and in the final rounds of the biggest Warhammer 40,000 tourney _ever_. If you are interested in a big debate on how this is incorrect or “#TonywasFramed” please take it elsewhere. I am not stating my own personal opinion I am sharing with you the incredibly established sentiment that is universally known on matters such as these. What should Tony have done? I’m fond of saying things like “Hey Alex, you have to do this at the end of the phase. Remember that please! I don’t want to give you more mulligans” or “hey man they come in at the end” etc etc. With a player like Alex you are only saying that once and he is realizing that you are going to be tight on order of operations and he will act accordingly. This is the part where a lot of people feign ignorance and start saying “WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? If a dude gets killed in overwatch do we let him TAKE IT BACK?” No, no you silly, silly internet troll. That is again where we reference the unfortunately unofficial “code of conduct” in Warhammer 40,000 which can loosely be described as “do I want to win that way?” or “is what I am doing making my opponent feel icky?” — for some this is too nebulous and they will be frustrated that it isn’t written in a tome or carried around on a leatherbound book and chain from a 30 foot tall robot judicator but we aren’t there yet.

Besides.. it isn’t like we don’t have role models on how to act at a Warhammer40k tourney…

Alexander Fennel

Having already broken down the incident I will simply talk about his reaction. Alex could have flipped out, he could have stormed off or.. being half British he could have removed his white satin glove, slapped tony and then tossed his “piping” hot tea in the face of the foe.

But Alex didn’t do those things.

Alex instead thought about it, realized he was technically in the wrong, assessed that he was strategically behind and probably couldn’t win (he was right) and said “good game.” He then thought better of it and declared he wanted to put on a show for the stream (immediately thought of others). They played it out with Tony almost never mentioning the incident and while crippled and behind Alex put up a fight and gave the stream viewers something to watch. Had he quit and walked away the FLG stream which organized front-page coverage for this event would have had a 2.5 hour block of nothing and lost viewers. The viewers would have ONLY the incident to watch and nothing more.

If that hasn’t made you happy yet, wait, there is more. Watching this particular game was the co-founder of Riot Games. Heard of them? They make a little game called League of Legends. Marc Merill was so moved by the show of sportsmanship that Alex displayed he tweeted saying he wanted to donate a $5,000 sportsmanship award in honor of the class act that is Alex. Upon hearing this Alex began to go to work on forwarding 100% of this $5,000 donation to a children’s hospital fund which has at this stage morphed into Alex’s employers also pledging to match the donation to the Children’s Hospital! Literally, the high-ground you thought Alex was perched on was merely an illusion…he’s like 6 levels higher and we can all only hope to aspire to that level of class.

The Teachable Moment

Winning is important and getting those accolades might not mean that much to all of you but to the top tier competitors in our little world of Warhammer 40,000 it IS very important. What Tony did to some might not be that big of a deal and to others is the worst offense…either way the take-away-thing for us here is that you don’t want to win that way. Be gracious, friendly and jovial. Be stoic, serious and tight. Both are fine. But bridging those play styles needs to be a gentleman. A class act or a role model. If you are doing something that calls into question those things and you are fighting for a title…maybe think about that? We’ve had people win major tourneys but when the path to get there is marred with drama or shadiness we don’t even talk about the win. That moment is tarnished. Alex took the loss and made it into a win. He is inspiring the best part of Warhammer 40,000 which is being a damn good general AND A BETTER HUMAN. As someone who…is known to be a bit snarky and maybe even a pinch mean from time to time I too can learn from Alex. I want to be that kind of opponent. The one where people respect the list, fear the general and look forward to the honor of squaring off with them knowing that if they win they outsmarted / played him and didn’t fall victim to Alex getting rules wrong in his favor, playing “gotcha” hammer or going back on his word.

We are lucky to have players like Tony with his great skill and tremendous ability. We are just SUPER lucky to have players like Alex who can show us how to conduct ourselves and turn a potentially stinker moment into one of the greatest shows of sportsmanship to ever grace Warhammer 40,000.

Reecius: with Tony’s permission, I (Reecius) wanted to add in this bit of a private conversation between he and I as I think it is important to remember that we’re all human, we all get caught up and make choices that we may regret later but that there is always room for forgiveness. As a matched play community, let’s use this as an opportunity to continue to play our best and be our best, too.

 

 

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  • violencejack

    I have no doubt that this Tony is truly a nice guy. However, he is an adult with many many games under his belt, he knows the game, he should have the maturity to know himself as well. With that being, the fog of competitiveness or the haze of bloodlust for the prize should not have taken him out of his ‘nice’ personality and made him pull a very unsportsmanlike move. I don’t find that a good excuse. Now, I don’t think he deserves to be bad mouthed either or seen as a bad player, but it was definitely the wrong move. I would think that a referee of some sort could’ve made an amicable call for both players there. That would’ve helped. Now, from here going forward, if he does something like this again, then I’m sorry, at that point, I WILL label him as a bad player and poison for the scene.

    • Wyatt Q Alvis

      Am I to understand this match ended halfway through turn one?

      • violencejack

        No, but halfway through turn one was when the controversial thing happened that did seal the fate of one player. Now, the player that got hosed from the other player’s nit picky call decided to play it out anyways for the sake of those watching in the live stream.

        • JJ

          I still think I would have called over a judge when it took him 1 hour of a 2.5 hour game to do set up and his turn one..

          • Valourousheart

            Setup requires both players, so the full blame for that hour can’t be laid completely at one players feet. It would be good to know how long deployment took.

    • Richard Jacky Jones

      Well, I’ve played both over the past 7 years of competitive play(Fennel and Tony). I can say one is no fun to play at all and his behavior displayed at the LVO is exactly spot on for my interactions with him and watching him play others. All i could do was cheer when the tables were turned for “out of turn play” from Nick in the finals. Its easy to apologize after someone makes a jerk of themselves across the internet on twitch, because they have to. Because they gave the LVO and competitive 40k a black eye. There was no point during the game(s) where there was any emotion but WAAC and don’t you WAAC me back mentality. When your at the top table using models that aren’t yours at least know your rules.

      • orionburn III

        It didn’t dawn on me until now that this really can’t get passed off as acting this way when you think nobody is watching. If you had no issue doing that on a live stream that does say something. I guess if I knew I was taking part in something that could be viewed by thousands of people I would want to be on my best behavior. That being said we all lose are cool from time to time. Well, most of us anyway. Don’t want to cast stones at anyone. It’s unfortunate that it happened and gives another black mark to the tourney scene.

  • Gorsameth

    Great article Geoff but I want to say that when push comes to shove and its all on the line that your real character shows.

    Its easy to say ‘that wasn’t me, you know i’m not normally like that’ but those moments are especially when your you. The rest of the time your just better at hiding it.

    • Precisely. Dude showed that he was a WAAC TFG, he might as well own it now.

  • Drpx
  • Blarrg Blarrgatron

    Does someone have a link to a video of this match? I have no idea what the guy is talking about up there.
    Its just seems to be 10 paragraphs of rambling.

    • Alienerd the unbannable

      Yeah this article really doesn’t give a good summary. basically: T is bad guy, A is good guy

      – T takes ages doing his first turn and setup (over an hour).

      – A starts his turn by placing an assassin down (which you normally do at the end of the movement phase, as both players knew). A had forgotten this I guess as he was hurrying, what with the fact his opponent took 50% of the game time in his first turn. T even helped him measure the distances to make sure the model wasn’t appearing too close – acting as Mr Nice Guy the whole time!!

      – As A goes to do something else in his movement phase, T tells him he can’t move as he did an “at the end of the movement phase” action already.

      – A being a nice guy says fair enough and plays on, knowing too well he is now screwed but at the same time understanding he made a mistake and astounded that his opponent is being like this I’m sure.

      – Fast forward to a later match, T essentially ends up in a role reversal where he makes a mistake, and his opponent basically doesn’t let him get away with the mistake only because he didn’t let A take something back earlier, and therefore it all ends with egg on T’s face and he gets a big reminder that he was just a naughty boy in front of the 40K tournament fanbase online. Expect lots of “Hey aren’t you that guy who has no soul?” moments at future tournaments if he is recognised XD

      • memitchell

        Thanks for making sense out the article.

      • Oh. Good to have your summary. I must have read something wrong. I read it as Alex having done it on purpose by trying to cheat. But it was Tony who was the bad guy. The article really was too long which caused me to read it sloppily and skip the last paragraphs entirely.

  • SacTownBrian

    I have officially reached my maximum saturation level for this topic. When can the community move on?

    • HeadHunter

      Probably when this sort of behavior is a thing of the past. 😉

    • CannonBall

      …Once it happens again at another event. Then we’ll talk about that instance!

      • SacTownBrian

        Tony G showed his true colors, everyone knows. It’s become a public stoning that’s painful to watch.

  • Steven Barnes

    Really hard to read with all the cutesy additions.

  • Drew

    I agree with what’s said below; as I’ve argued in my FLGS’s facebook page, it’s when you’re under fire and in competition that your true character shows. You don’t get to claim the “nice guy” mantle if you’re not going to act like a nice guy when it counts. If Fennel ever shows up in my area, I’ll buy him a drink and play as many games as he likes against somebody him. Guys like Tony…not so much. I hope he learns and grows from this, but to claim “I’m not that guy” after acting EXACTLY like “that guy” is 100% disingenuous.

    • Alexander Barahona

      Alex is a good guy, I’ve been lucky to know him for over 2 decades and he’s been that guy in the article for all that time. Definitely buy him that drink!

  • eMtoN

    Spending an hour on deployment / T1 is being That Guy.

    Here’s a thought that should be the number one rule at every tournament: Don’t be a Dick.

    Now can we please move on?

  • disqus_yyglaTdo9o

    T sounds like an enormous dillhole. Dick move and shows exactly what is wrong with competative play. WAAC, and in This case, the Cost is his dignity.

  • That’s one reason why I don’t play anymore. Guys like that. I even had some telling me: “You made a mistake, but go on, I will tell you in a few minutes” – just to tell me I can’t move or shoot or assault anymore a little later. So they even bragged about knowing I made a mistake and enjoying being “that guy”. And really, “I’m usually not that type of guy” doesn’t count.

  • UnLachy

    “…in THESE moments specifically you can sometimes act out of character..”

    I disagree, I think it is these moments that show exactly your character

    • disqus_yyglaTdo9o

      Well said

  • Max LaChance

    So, Alex screwed up in a high level match, and everyone is mad that he be held accountable for his mistake?

    I don’t seem to get why This Tony guy is the bad guy here?

    • Thing is that Tony abused the situation knowingly, helping Alex to do that mistake instead of being a sportsman and telling his opponent what’s going on.

      • NNextremNN
        • You know, I’m not interested in opponents that are going to treat our game as combat. Despite having war in the title, war gaming is a contest of skill, not a war.

          • Thats a direct symptom when money and prizes and ego stroking podcasting is on the line.

          • There are games that are better suited to tournament play than 40k. If someone is still playing in 40k tournaments, it’s either because they really love the game, in which case winning should be secondary, or they like being able to exploit the aspects of 40k that aren’t designed with tournaments in mind for an advantage.

          • That and there are a plethora of 40k tournaments everywhere and they can easily continue using their collection pretty much weekly if they wanted in tournaments.

          • NNextremNN

            Well in a tournament situation I want to win and my opponent to lose. And the only difference between a combat and a contest is if physical battle is involved. Both have a winner and a looser at the end.

          • So you approach your games like your opponent is trying to kill you? I play in tournaments (thankfully, not 40k), and yet I still have fun, even when I lose. Despite this attitude, I still manage top quarter or better the majority of the time. Based on your attitude, there is nothing you would not do to win (since you play like your life and the life of your friends is on the line). That’s not for me. I prefer my games to be fun.

          • NNextremNN

            I never said that … I specifically said there is a slightly difference exactly that which you described. A tournament and a casual game are still something different. I would not do anything … I would stick to the rules and would behave friendly towards my opponent but I would not help him in a game related way during a tournament game in any way at all.

        • E65

          The situation outlined in the article is not deserving of this quote.

        • That is yet another problem with the tournament scene. Many people take a social even of a game in competitive environment as a war. It’s not a war and should not be treated as such.

          • NNextremNN

            In war people die. This is (usually) not the case in games. This does not mean I have to help my opponent winning a tournament or a game I participate in too. Bad sportsmanship is encouraged by a lack of rules and organisation. Sure learning, helping and training each other to get better is nice but that’s not what’s tournaments are for.

          • As I said, it’s exactly that kind of aggro attitude that is poisoning 40k tournaments. I’ve never seen such a behaviour at say tennis or snooker or something.

          • NNextremNN

            Okay let’s check your statement for tennis:

            Tennis star sledges opponent, saying his mate ‘banged your girlfriend’:
            https://mashable.com/2015/08/13/nick-kyrgios-insult/#nBUZjbsJ88qn

            Roger Federer ‘ATTACKED’ at O2 ahead of ATP World Tour finals
            https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/878258/Roger-Federer-ATP-World-Tour-finals

            The 13 Nastiest On-Court Spats in Tennis History (Video)
            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/908424-13-nastiest-on-court-spats-in-tennis-history-video

            Don’t pretend what happens with 40K is unusual in other sports

          • “Unusual” and “acceptable” are different things. Nothing of those you posted are acceptable. So what exactly you want to prove? You only prove that your Napoleon-comparison was bad.

          • NNextremNN

            If I see an opponent make a mistake during a tournament match I would not tell him while he is making that mistake. I tell him when I need to tell him to turn it into an advantage for me. Maybe after the game when he did not already realised it but not before.

            I can make a distinction between a friendly casual game, a serious tournament game and a battle of life and death. Many here seem not to be able to make this distinction. And I can also see some similarities between those things.

          • Well. I see the behaviour described above as unsporting. You don’t. So we simply agree to disagree.

          • NNextremNN

            Yeah I guess we can agree on that.

    • orionburn III

      It’s the bigger picture. Tony held Alex accountable but when it came to the final game and basically the same thing happened to Tony, and then Tony apparently pitched a fit for being held to the same standard. THAT is the issue.

      All I know is if I ever get to acting like that during a game it’s time to stop playing. I don’t want to be that guy.

    • Alexander Barahona

      Alex didn’t make a mistake per se. I believe he there was an agreement in their match to play to intent so as to speed things up as in a previous round Tony had tried to screw someone over when they were playing to a chess clock.
      Ultimately these are all gentleman’s agreements so the judges couldn’t way in on any side than the RAW.
      This was all discussed in an interview with the eventual LVO winner. These other rounds give more context to the story.

  • Simon Chatterley

    Apologising after the event is easy. Captain Hindsight being all powerful.

    Try not doing it during the game or having a break if you can’t.

  • Defenestratus

    This whole article exemplifies why “competitive” 40k is a pox upon our hobby.
    Ugh.

  • This is why 40k is hardly ever played at my local store. The toxicity has even filtered into other games. We almost had a fist fight at an X-Wing tournament last year because a guy stacked his shield tokens….His opponent tried to have him DQed for this faux pas instead of simply asking “how many shields are left?” or “Please don’t stack the shields so I can see how many are left”.
    .
    Turns out the opponent was a former 40k player. He was just visiting for the tournament. Classy.

  • euansmith

    “… being half British he could have removed his white satin glove, slapped tony and then tossed his “piping” hot tea in the face of the foe.”

    As a denizen of Perfidious Albion, I feel the need to correct this misapprehension of our national character.

    Firstly, but “British” I am assuming the author was referring to “English”. This is a common error, though one that can lead to personal injury in public houses throughout Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Secondly, the truly English response would be to issue a sharp “tut” and continue as if nothing had happened.

    If ones opponent were anything like a gentleman, he would immediately forfeit the game and retire from society; maybe moving to Madagascar and taking an oath of silence.

    There, he would reflect upon his faux pas (if only the French had a word for that, so many needless wars could have been avoided), and would quietly seek for a method of redeeming himself and his family’s good name (see “The Three Feathers”).

    • mgdavey

      I dunno, this may have reached the level of a “strongly worded letter to the editor”.

      • euansmith

        E’gad! Steady on, old chap, I say, what?

        • mgdavey

          Language!

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      My Nana was from Scotland, she didn’t like it when people from the States called her English. Entertainment watching it happen. She was…feisty.

    • Commissar Molotov

      I kept wondering “which half?”

      • euansmith

        Why, the top half, of course!

  • HeadHunter

    Funny that you should mention the Patriots, because they’re a good example of this too. Is Brady a good player? Undeniably the best – and he has 5 rings to show for it. Is he a nice guy? Seems to be, for the most part.
    But many consider Brady (and the Patriots) to be unsportsmanlike with all of the shady allegations, and that tarnished the accomplishment.
    It’s “disingenuous” to win on a technicality, moreso when you’re knowingly tricking the opponent into one. There are penalties for “unsportsmanlike conduct” and that 10-15 yards can often lose you the down. If Tony lost his next turn for knowingly doing what he did, you can bet the game would have turned out very differently.

    • CannonBall

      Excellent example of how “Sportsmanlike Conduct” should figure into a competitive game system. (Also enjoying the fact the Patriots are mentioned as I’ve been a die hard Eagles fan for years.)

      • kobalt60

        Most relevant example I could think of. Also, as a Vikings fan, I’m obliged to hate you at least until next season. Enjoy the win. I’d imagine it’s fun

    • kobalt60

      Unsportsmanlike is a penalty, but it’s not usually called when “tricking” an opponent. Almost every QB will use a hard count to draw an opponent offside, and I’ve never heard that deemed unsportsmanlike. In the LVO example, it seems to me player1 had a lapse in concentration, and player2 took advantage. In that sort of environment, player 2 did no wrong, imo. The caveat being, I would not play that game in a competitive environment

      • HeadHunter

        So what if they get a 12th man on the field and no one notices until after the drive? Do they just say “oh well, too late?” Hell, no.
        Let’s also not forget that they agreed to play to intent in order to speed up the game and that Alex was up against the clock because Tony took so long for his turn.
        So, if Tony stalled *deliberately* on his first turn to bait Alex into rushing and making a mistake, he’s TFG and unsportsmanlike. If his delay was *unintentional*, then he should have pointed out the error instead of *helping Alex measure* and then telling him of his mistake.
        Simply put, either way it’s a dick move and Tony played unfairly.

  • HeadHunter

    This sort of player is *exactly* why I have no interest in playing competitively. You can tell me “most people aren’t like that” and that incidents like this are the exception – and that would be true. BUT, all it takes is coming across this sort of thing ONCE to completely ruin the event for you.
    I’m not about to invest days off and travel expenses on the chance I might meet this kind of player (and possibly in round one) and spoil the whole thing.

  • LordKrungharr

    If people don’t want silly rule follies exploited then don’t have valuable prizes. Thousands of dollars on the line, I don’t think I would have let the guy move his Wolves either. This is like that game a few editions back where the kroot infiltrated across the table so the enemy bikers couldn’t enter the table from reserves and the dude lost before turn one.

  • mgdavey

    ” a thousand people ready to bare witness”

    • crazytuco

      A thousand 40k players? Avert your eyes.

  • Dragon2928

    With serious prize loot on the line, I can’t fault the guy for calling the end of the movement phase. If you want to play the game competitively then do it right.
    HOWEVER – taking an hour to set up is pure BS. A judge or someone should have put a stop to that about 15 minutes in.

  • Bigalmoney666

    Your attempts to be funny makes this article unnecessarily hard to read. It’s like 80% fluff.

  • Commissar Molotov

    Yeah, it was just tournament type A srs business stuff until he didn’t like being held to the same standard. That’s his real crime.

  • JJ

    Is this the same guy that figured out he was over points after he won a major GT a few years back?

    • HeadHunter

      If that’s the case, he’s either a cheater and should be banned, or a repeat offender and should be banned.
      Ban him so hard even his grandson won’t be able to compete.

      • JJ

        No idea if it was the same guy… the name just rings a bell.

  • JJ

    “he managed to do his deployment and 1st turn with the same army in 20 minutes, ”
    Really? That right there strongly suggests that the “slow play” was intentional.

  • Alienerd the unbannable

    You did a much better job at summing that up than I did! 😀 As you said there aren’t really that many ‘that guys’, especially not when it is being streamed live. T was a “Primaris That Guy”

  • Regardless of what the guy did, is it right to villainize him? I would never want to play on a stream if this is what I had to deal with. Nobody plays a perfect game of Wh40k.

    • HeadHunter

      Alex didn’t play a perfect game. Tony was a dick. Poor behavior isn’t a “mistake”, he’s merely reaping the consequences of his actions. Yes, it’s perfectly right for his reputation to be affected. That’s what reputation is about.