AoS: Gotrek the Slayer Returns

The Fabled hero of the Old World makes his triumphant return to the Mortal Realms – Gotrek Gurnisson is BACK!

Hold on to your beard and get your Mohawk ready because Gotrek is returning to the Mortal Realms in a brand new Audio Drama from Black Library!

via Warhammer Community

Realmslayer

Fabled hero of the Warhammer Old World, Gotrek Gurnisson is reborn and cast into the Age of Sigmar for a brand-new, feature-length audio adventure.

Gotrek Gurnisson was the greatest monster slayer of the age, who met his doom at the End Times. The heroic duardin stepped forth into the Realm of Chaos to fight the daemons gnawing at the world’s ending and satisfy his death oath, leaving behind his companion Felix Jaeger. Now Gotrek has returned, having outlived the old gods and the Old World. Spat from the ruinous depths with his redemption unfulfilled, he emerges into the Mortal Realms, a strange new world where gods walk and dark forces are ascendant. Nothing is as he remembers. His oaths are dust, and the lands are torn asunder by Chaos. Yet when Gotrek learns of human champions being elevated to immortality for Sigmar’s fight against this darkness, the so-called ‘Stormcast Eternals’, he knows why fate has brought him into this new age. To find Felix. For only then can he find the peace in death he seeks. But is there more to Gotrek’s apotheosis than even he can fathom? Has he truly been chosen by Grimnir and for what purpose?

This audio drama boxed set contains a four-part story read by a stellar cast, recounting the much-anticipated return of Gotrek Gurnisson.

This is pretty great news for fans of the Gotrek and Felix saga! Last time we saw the dynamic duo things were pretty grim. So grim we saw Gotrek “die” by the end of Slayer. But apparently this Slayer was too much for even the daemon legions to handle and he’s made his way back through time and space to show up in the new Mortal Realms!

Is Gotrek blessed or cursed by Grimnir? I’ll let you decide about that. Also – will we see Gotrek reunited with his long-time pal Felix? And what is Felix IS a Stormcast?! Holy crap!!! That thought just makes me giddy for two reasons:

1) Felix as a Stormcast and Gotrek as an ‘old school’ slayer marching around the realms kicking butt and taking names sounds awesome!
2) We’re going to get more Gotrek and Felix books!

I’m really curious to see what’s going to happen as well. Gotrek’s oaths are pretty much fulfilled at this point, but let’s be honest, he’s probably still got a grudge or two right? And I wonder if anyone else “survived” and might remember him. Or perhaps the legend of him. I can’t want to learn more about the Mortal Realms from his point of view and I think the authors at Black Library are going to have a ton of fun writing about the Realms from his eyes.

Bring on the Slayer!!!

 

Are you excited about the return of Gotrek and possibly Felix? What if Felix IS a Stormcast Eternal? How do you think that will shift the dynamic?

  • ZeeLobby

    Sigh. They couldn’t just let him die…

    • AEZ

      … why the sigh…

      • ZeeLobby

        William King was great. Nathan Long was Good. And writers pas that have been OK to poor. He had an exit, when the series was still solid, and now they’re just going to I revive him and drag him through the nothing matters realms…

        If they want to further AoS use new good we’ll written AoS characters (if possible and preferably not Stormcast).

        • Jesse Cavazos

          I actually feel the opposite; I thought the King books were garbage and all the other authors were markedly better in different ways. I agree wholeheartedly that the series had a solid exit. Gotrek deserved his ending, he deserves his rest. Almost feels unfair to bring him back.

          Felix was important to the series because he was a human perspective providing a narrative for a non-human companion (more so than most dwarfs, even!) The new series will suffer if the sole narrative is provided by Gotrek; he can’t and shouldn’t be the lens through which we see the world because his outlook is so different from that of a regular person’s. We’ll have trouble relating to him.

          • ZeeLobby

            Man, I dunno. Vampireslayer might be my favorite book in the series. King was just good at getting in all the small world details. Long’s always felt like he copy and pasted one book and then just replaced monster with X. Both were good though, but the ones after were just bad.

          • Jesse Cavazos

            Oh yeah? Hadn’t looked at Long’s that way, I’ll have to reread them with that thought in mind! I liked Road of Skulls and the Serpent Queen quite a bit but the other one Reynolds wrote… I forget what it was called but it’s one of the few novels I’ve read that I’ve actually stopped in the middle of. I hated it, haha.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean it’s been a long time since I’ve read any of them, so I could be completely wrong. I also read King’s back when there was a shortage of good fantasy writing, so it might just pale in comparison to today’s literature, as quite honestly we’re spoiled. But Felix’s love interest, Felix and Gotrek’s relationship, the variety of people they interacted with, etc., Just all seemed more developed under King. Really gave them a more realistic feel.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Also Gotrek was more dismissive of Felix the later the books went. It was weird how one book would show the relationship being more of a respect thing, then Bamn! The next book would be back to stupid manling I hate you. Was annoying.

          • AEZ

            All these guys pale in comparison to “real” fantasy writers… else they’d have their books in their own IP. There is a reason I don’t read all these books.. I usually prefer reading a good fantasy book for the 2nd, 3th of 4th time before I pick up one of these. Even the stories with most potential aren’t written that well.. I guess there is some timepressure on the writers too.. so I don’t suggest this is their maximum potential.

          • Rob brown

            The original Skaven’s Claw short story that later started the Skaven Slayer book was awesome. Don’t know how you can say King was garbage. It was the original. The later writers copied those ideas to stand on the shoulder of a giants.

        • zeno666

          The new GW knows how things go when they make up their own new stuff, very poorly.

          Look at AoS, Dark Imperium etc 😉

          • vlad78

            Dark Imperium is not that bad. ;p (coming from someone who hates 8th)

          • Jeff Daniels

            I haven’t read the Dark Imperium novel (novels?) but I read the first Gathering Storm campaign book, and the plotting read like bad fan fiction.

          • vlad78

            I totally agree. But Dark Imperium portrays guilliman in an interesting way. He’s not a god yet the fate of mankind rests on his shoulders.

    • Michael Cameron

      We need him back. AoS sucks. Old World heroes are a welcomed edition.

      • AEZ

        Apparently the books in the city of hammerhal are good too, if yet to read them.

      • Xodis

        We dont need him back, we need more novels covering NON-Stormcast Eternals. They made for a great introduction to the Age of Sigmar, but now its time to push the regular mortals into the spotlight again.

        • ZeeLobby

          And new characters! If your going to sell me AoS give me AoS characters that sell it.

          • Xodis

            I totally agree with that. Although I dont mind Nagash, Sigmar, and the other major players being from “the time before” or whatever, but they do need to focus on the AoS exclusive characters more. The Vandus vs Khorgos was built pretty well, but then it kind of gets swept under the rug, plus we still dont see nearly enough Destruction, and while this has Death in the spotlight, we dont see any Death heroes taking center stage except for Oldhammer ones.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, my concern is that Nagash, Sigmar, etc. are like the “Primarchs” of AoS. They’ll have big models to sell, etc. So GW will continue doing stories on them, remove all their mystery, etc.

            Like you said, smaller scale, every day characters who have to survive this new reality would do a lot more for the setting than focusing on the biggest models on the table.

          • AEZ

            Did you like those 8 lamentation books?

          • ZeeLobby

            Honestly that’s the only books I haven’t looked at in AoS, so maybe I’m just missing out. As long as they like talk to normal people in normal villages in AoS realms I’ll be happy. It’s the glimpses of everyday old world life in G&F which made them great books for the setting.

          • AEZ

            I think normal villages might be asking a bit to much… a normal evolving metropolis in the mortal realms is what you will get I think.

          • Xodis

            I dont think that is true, the Malign Portants stories even started us off with small communities and small forts being killed by Chaos/Undead forces, so we know they still exist out there.

          • AEZ

            I meant asking for a story to take place there when we have several named cities which featured in campaigns around.

          • Xodis

            I can see the larger named cities being the focus more often than not, but like in D&D those small little no name villages make for some great stories, especially when the author pretty much has free reign to destroy it as much as they want.

          • AEZ

            Sure they’ll need to wander there… but they don’t need to be on maps.

          • Xodis

            Thats true, better to leave that to the individuals who want to add them. I think the RPG that is coming out for AoS will answer a lot of the questions everyone still has about the setting.

          • euansmith

            I’m interested in the walking forts that were mentioned a while back. A book set abourd one of those could be really cool. Like a fantasy version of a tank/ship/submarine/bomber story, with a largish crew in a confined space, trying to make it to a distant objective.

          • AEZ

            I only remember walking mountains …. just hope one doesn’t walk all over your newly build metropolis 😀

          • euansmith
          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            He works out.

          • Xodis

            That was an awesome little bit of information I hope they capitalize on. Reminds me of the mechanical city in D&Ds Eberron setting.

          • Hagwert

            No city can exist without thousands of farmsteads, hamlets, mining communities, villages and market towns feeding it with vast amounts of food, ore , timber , stone and thousands of other resources and trade products. The failure of AOS to recognise this is one of the things which makes it’s fluff feel a bit shallow.

          • euansmith

            They could always claim that “… a wizard did it.”

            Cities could have guilds of alchemists who grow food and other raw materials in vats.

          • AEZ

            It’s not written that such villages and towns do not exist…

          • Then Tainted Axe short story is good, it’s basically a single errant knight of Allariel going into a nurgle Cursed forest to retrieve one of the 8 lamentations, the eponymous axe

          • AEZ

            When I read this review it sounds like just what you need.
            http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2017/10/review-eight-lamentations-spear-of.html

          • Jesse Cavazos

            You phrased this better than I ever could. I like AoS a lot, but it’s never going to appeal to more people unless it starts selling itself differently. I want it to succeed.

          • ZeeLobby

            Definitely the case for me. If they just keep bringing up old world stuff it just makes me want the old world back. I wouldn’t mind learning more about the new world, but I need some like human perspective of what the new world is actually like. Not just like Nagash’s perspective.

          • Craig Archer

            I’d recommend the first book of the 8 lamentations series then. It helped more to flesh out the new realms for me than anything i’ve seen so far. Plus the book very much had that same early Gotrek and Felix novel series feel to it, reminiscent of the sections where they were journeying with Schreiber, Snorri and Ulrika.

          • ZeeLobby

            Sweet, second recommendation, now I have to read it, haha. It’s honestly what I’ve been looking for. Everything can’t just be epic battles over fields of blood with rain of tears, etc. All that AoS lit has been so boring to trudge through.

          • euansmith

            You’ve been getting it wrong, it is, “… epic battles over fields of blood with rain of skulls.”

          • Hagwert

            …and with a few more skulls for good measure !

          • AEZ

            Ow in my books there are fields of corpses and rains of meteors 😀

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            I have my Gotrek and Felix models for when I field my Dogs of War. I don’t think they look right with Sigmars giant marines.

          • Agreed, Josh Reynolds has been pretty good about that, he does a lot of world building for them due to how fast he writes, and even when he used Gutrot Spume in Plague garden it was by far the most development the character ever got (it kinda helps that he was an end times character and that the AoS version is essentially a similar dude who’s unrelated to the earlier character in anything but appearance)

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            Soooo much this,

      • ZeeLobby

        Welcomed edition as in we get the old world back in 9th edition?!?!

      • zeno666

        Very true. In a year or so everyone in the Old World will just wake up from this very bad and lame dream.

    • euansmith

      Maybe he can become GW’s version of Moorcock’s Eternal Champion; doomed to live through the destruction of multiple Universes?

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        I doubt this will be that well written.

      • Jonathon Runge

        The idea of AoS imploding in universe entertains me. Order and structure were provided by the existence of the Old World. The gods of Chaos and differentiated chaos into the 8 winds was the interaction of Chaos and the firmament of reality. Without it the order and structure of the mortal realms is only a illusion that will revert to the primordial chaos that even the gods of Chaos will succumb to; losing all distinctive qualities. It will require a great undertaking to revert causality and survive the collapse.

      • Matthew Pomeroy

        an eternal murdermachine?

  • Xodis

    Might be interesting if they indeed create a different story with him, if its more rinse and repeat “I must slay, until I am slain” then hard pass.

  • Jörgen Karlsson

    The Gotrek & Felix books became worse & worse, I was glad he got a good ending, this will probably end bad. ..

  • rhoadesd20

    I would be kind of upset if Felix is a stormcast. For one, he’s a bit to rogueish in character to fit that, but also because it would be nice to actually have a mortal human champion, that could lead into more mortal human stories, and eventually the much needed models. But that’s probably a pipe-dream, as stormcast as the AoS Space Marines, so everything will probably be focused around them.

    • AEZ

      It’s actually still not clear to me wether the stormcasts are only humans from the post end time realms or wether they also include souls from before the end times.. anyone know more about this?

      • AFAIK most if not all are post-end Times, I believe Phil jelly said the number of characters who weren’t gods reincarnated into the mortal realms is very small

  • Chett bohangles

    Would love it if William King wrote again Barely got through any of the books written by Nathan King. In my opinion first and second omnibus and first book of the third are the best

  • euansmith

    I wonder if this be a trend, and next GW will announce that Mordheim has been discovered on the edge of the Chaos Realm?

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      Hey we just found Lustria!

      • orionburn III

        I miss Lustria. Always loved the lore of it. Much more than the celestial space lizards that they are now.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          We had a campaign during 7th edition with Lustria. It was amazing fun and the narrative of Lizardmen trying to drive the invading hordes of Skaven and other warm bloods was so much fun.

      • vlad78

        This is a new world.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          Lustria is a new world? I was making a joke on the euansmith comment of Mordeim showing up in AoS. Next we’ll see other famous Old World locations. I think this is one of the bigger fails of AoS, don’t try to bring back the old world. Instead forge new narrative, nostalgia just makes people like myself dislike AoS fluff even more.

          • vlad78

            Howdy fellow gamer. I was making a joke too. Lustria IS the new world of the old world.

            We already know they won’t be able to write better things than what they erased, they lack both the talented writers, the spirit and eventually the tenets of AOS are too weak (some nuggets here or there notwithstanding) unless they begin to retcon the fluff completely once again. (imho of course)

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Sorry I was dense. The level of retcon going on right now for 40k is annoying but normal for GW. AoS really needs to keep to it’s own thing or it will forever be just a shadow of the old world.

    • AEZ

      I don’t know the story behind Mordheim.. . but any city in the realms could be named like that :D… or a differently named city could be used for the same game 😀

  • mgdavey

    “Hey I just found Malus Darkblade behind the couch!”

  • I’m intrigued.

  • Dennis J. Pechavar

    And Fonzie just jumped the shark. I don’t care for AoS but it would be great for them to have their own thing, the fact that they are trying to nostalgia us. It’s annoying but hey if people like it.

    • ZeeLobby

      Hehe. GW is all about the nostalgia. Squats, Slambo, Genestealer Cult, etc. It’s definitely opened up sales for them, they’ll milk it til it’s dead.

      • euansmith

        … and then bring it back to some facsimile of life in order to milk it some more. Hey, zombie milk is still milk, right?

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        True but this is something that actually makes me dislike AoS even more as it has me wanting the Old World back. As I’ve said too many times, I don’t have an issue with people liking AoS but I don’t want my fantasy game to be so much like 40K(which is now like AoS) as I like rank and file units. Same with the fluff, it’s what I like that sells me on a game. The fluff is what drives me to create my army and AoS isn’t fluff that I can get behind.

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          AoS would be better served with its own unique characters and feel.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            Yes!

  • Apocryphus

    If the entire purpose of AoS was to destroy the old world and make something new and only vaguely related, why are they dragging back old world characters and stories? I’m not saying they weren’t well loved, but GW made it pretty clear with many of their choices with AoS that those stories were over and it was time to move on. All this really does for me is make me angrier about the destruction of the world and make it feel like even GW isn’t so hot on what they did.

    • ZeeLobby

      Yes! This. This is how it makes me feel.

      • AEZ

        Well.. then your feelings are wrong obviously 😀

        • ZeeLobby

          :O. Probably 🙁

          • AEZ

            Also there are new things around Gotrek hasn’t slayered yet… like stardrakes, Korgoraths,Dracoths, newer and bigger orcs on newer and bigger wyverns… also I think he missed out on killing treelords in his previous round.

          • ZeeLobby

            But it was really the Not-Slaying parts of the books which made them good. Honestly by Elfslayer the series was starting to lose steam. It was more Felix and Gotreks interactions, as well as Felix’s humanity, which made the series great.

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            We finally get the big reveal of why Gotrek took the slayer oath and he was rewarded with the greatest death/ Now he’s back… no thanks.

          • AEZ

            Hey.. who knows Gotrek might get drunk again (… yeah.. might) and end up in debt to some guy… or better AN ELF. It’s not like felix is the only guy he could hang out with. (I mean even Drzzzzt has been hanging around with all sorts of people even though I couldn’t imagine him without the original party).

          • Xodis

            Apparently neither could RA Salvatore because the original crew is all back.

          • AEZ

            Hey… I’m not saying Felix isn’t coming back :D.

    • AEZ

      The Daemons and all chaos characters have always remained. Gotrek was in the chaos realms so it’s not odd he can be back.. probably even intentional?

      Anyway I’m ofc not sure about the real reasons by the whole realms and realmgates stuff makes any army fighting each other less odd (in the old world you really had to bend all logic to fight seraphon or tombkings with wood elves for example.) Also .. and discussed before: the fixed map with limited size also gave storyline problems (as opposed to infinite sized 40K galaxy)… I mean how many cities can the empire loose without being an empire. The fact the empire was still there after several chaos incursions in a few decades which each probably killed the whole army and half the populace is odd in itself. GW probably thinks (and I’d agree) that keeping the story going with mini campaigns etc etc is good for business (firestorm increased the size of the players I can play with from 2 to 7… so that worked there).

      The characters where not the problem, the setting was. Between the gods, chaos (incl skaven) and death a very large number of characters had already remained.. one more in order isn’t that odd.

      • euansmith

        Germany fought two world wars within a generation; so I guess it doesn’t pay to under estimate the ability of the Old Worlders to bounce back from annihilation. 😉

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          Empire aren’t quitters. Averland forever!

        • AEZ

          The difference being that the germans wheren’t conquered by demons who kill every soul they find… personally I think that is a rather BIG difference.

          • Rob brown

            Daemons weren’t just interested in killing souls. The novels are filled with humans being corrupted rather than just killed. Daemons always became weaker the further from the gates they were and chaos was more an alliance of rival captains. The mistake was GW becoming obsessed with Archeon and repeatedly bringing him back. Death toll was never the greatest threat of chaos, until Khorne became the AOS equivalent of a teachers pet.

            The argument was always that chaos was a threat, but an organized, unified empire and their allies could turn back the tide at great cost. That’s where the story was… those individual campaigns, small and large. The history of Warhammer was always a cycle and the game was set in the rising tide of that cycle.

            Unfortunately some Hack writers under the direction of a poor company exec team decided to jump down the rabbit hole and see what would happen if they abandoned the formula – and guess what, the result isn’t warhammer. Consequently AOS is now high steampunk fantasy and not Grimdark fantasy.

        • Matthew Pomeroy

          Krynn had how many cataclysms??? Forgotten realms?? world shattering events are what happens on Tuesdays 😀

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            We started to lose interest in playing in the Realms after one of our players read an article in Dragon that said roughly,” every large town/city has a 20th level mage in it.” WHAT!?! So that’s why our party is needed to save the day? I loved Spelljammer as it was set up that there is history of a major war but the next one that happens is up to your DM is they want it to happen.

      • Apocryphus

        Gotrek and Felix where pretty firmly rooted in the old setting though. I agree that the old world eventually became very small while seemingly still far too large (Lizardmen fighting Tomb Kings, to reference back to your example) but the new setting is so huge that nothing really matters now. Gotrek and Felix was also more of it’s own story set in the Warhammer universe. They weren’t changing the face of the world like Nagash or Archeon, this isn’t some major war hero from the Empire returning to cast out Chaos, it’s Gotrek, a slayer, the concept of which is changed, if not gone entirely. He’s a relic of the old world, the world that so many AoS fans constantly decry, so why would they drag him back out when he’s supposed to be gone? I just find it frustrating that if they are just going to resurrect these characters and settings, why bother making a spectacle of destroying them in the first place? Or maybe I’m just a bitter old fart. 😛

        • AEZ

          If you can’t see that almost any character (and certainly Gotrek) could do well in any universe (old fantasy, AoS, any of the DnD worlds…) then I think that probably due to you being a bitter old fart. basicly.. I disagree they where tied to the setting.. sure they have history there but it’s not very much part of who they are. The fact there are no more slayers doesn’t mean Gotrek can’t just be himself in the new world.. and I think most duardin there would understand his motivations…. (possibly not his motivation to kill said dwarves after they keep calling themselves duardin…)

          • Dennis J. Pechavar

            What’s a duardin? Sounds like elf talk!

      • Rob brown

        The problem in Fantasy is where the the writers of the game try to be all things to all people and to try and make every action world ending. When writing is bad, stock characters are used because authors can’t come up with their own. Plots lacking drama try and fake tension by threatening world shattering consequences. Macro tales are told because there isn’t enough detail to focus in on individuals. GW has gone down the route of ‘story by sidebar’ in their recent ‘narrative advancing’ storylines. IMHO both settings suffered from the End Times and Gathering Storm.

        Instead, good writing creates empathy and jeapardy around interesting and compelling individuals. Their actions matter because their is weight given to the consequences built up realistically with detail, rather than being handwaved. I care more about what happens to one squad of Tannith First and Only than the entire Imperium in the Gathering Storm.

        When every conflict features a dozen factions I lose interest. Also we need to understand that the setting is a vehicle for adding story to your games. It’s ok that in your campaign version of the Old World the Lizardmen has decided to invade Bretonnia because the vampire counts had stolen Lustrian artifacts and hidden them there… simply because those factions are in your game group. However when writers try and shoehorn those convolutions into the game it makes for pretty poor world building. GW should concentrate on creating weight and value to the new realms and let us work out how we want to match them up.

        • AEZ

          THis has exactly nothing to do with the setting and exactly everything with how well a book is written. It’s just a fact that most (old and new) warhammer (fantasy, AoS and 40K) books are not top level fantasy ( 40K books are more fantasy than sci-fi to me but call it sci-fi if you want) books, the writers are just not Tolkien,GRR Martin etc etc. . 40K has a few real gems… I’ve only read a few above average books in fantasy and I’ll admit only average (or below) books for AoS. However relatively speaking there are not that much AoS books.. and I have good hopes for the 8 lamentations series after reading the reviews.

          • Rob brown

            I disagree about the quality of the old books to be honest, Drachenfels, Beasts in Velvet, Zaragoz, Plague Daemon and more recent books like Hammers of Ulric, the Witchhunter/finder series, and the Vampire Counts anthology were great books. That fulfilled the criteria I posted above of being original, compelling and full of jeapardy without requiring world ending outcomes. That’s without counting the work of Dan Abnett in 30/40k

            Okay so they aren’t going to win awards but that’s not necessarily why I read campaign setting related fiction – same for forgotten realms novels. I enjoy the good ones for similar reasons. I don’t expect every book I read to be Tolkien, nor would I want that to be the case.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            The quality of authors imo went down dramatically, The AoS novels just are not very good, they remind me a lot of the Ebberon novels. The potential was certainly there, but the writers either dont care about the setting or really arent sure where to go with it. Even the old world had hit and misses, The Nagash Trilogy IMO was very good and the Sigmar Trilogy was good in spite of Sigmar himself just being a terrible character (he was the least interesting character in his own trilogy, that is awful) I do Love the writing of ADB but they dont really have an equivalent writing for AoS. In fairness authors of the calibre of Salvatore dont just grow on trees.

          • Rob brown

            What’s worth considering is that a large quantity of the detail on the old world actually came from the three dozen or so rpg products across three different editions. IMHO more world building was done in these than in the Army books and novels. If people missed out on these because they were the wrong generation then they might not appreciate just how much was wiped out.

            It’s no coincidence that a new fourth edition of WFRP is being launched set in the old world. The truth is that no-one is clamoring to write an AOS rpg and war hammer quest’s dumbed down board game version just doesn’t add anything substantial to fill that gap.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            The word I had heard from C7 is they are doing both settings. An AoS rpg could do a lot for the setting and game.

          • Rob brown

            Just seen the Tabletop gaming interview that talks anout AOS rpg, thanks for that. I suspect that WFRP 4th is a bit further on as they’ve been posting covers and product plans for a while. It will be really jnteresting to see which is more successful… when made by the same conpany.

            Will it be the richness of the grim dark warhammer world or the ‘limitless potential’ of AOS. A blank piece of paper has limitless potential and has about the same ability to capture my interest as the mortal realms.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            As a fan of C7’s games, I would not be surprised if they knock both out of the park,. I personally intend to get both as I don’t see them as really in competition. AoS and WHFB have completely different feels to them for me. I love my overlords, but would not want to see them in the old world.

          • Rob brown

            Definitely agree that the feel will most likely be very different. I suspect most groups wouldn’t be able to sustain campaigns in both settings though. The quality of the modules will determine which products I buy to be honest.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            If 1 ring and AIME are any indicator they should be pretty damn good, maybe even full on long term campaign sets. Darkening of Mirkwood was awesome! 30 year campaign 😀

          • Rob brown

            Funnily enough I just started playing in that campaign last weekend. I have 8 shadow points already and am fearing for my soul. Mirkwood definitely has a grim dark feel about it. Lol. It seems pretty darn good so far. I’m looking forward to the Moria product.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            big fans of that one, we have the AIME version too.

    • vlad78

      Because they are trying to rebuild something without the talented people who created and breathed life to the old world. We have known from the start it would turn out into something like that.

  • Randy Randalman

    What’s really interesting is that the Tomb Kings (though re-named) are also on their way back.

    • Jared Swenson

      Really? How so? I have never heard anything about this.

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      If I can get the models I’ve wanted for a few years then woohoo!

  • Jared Swenson

    I think it’s hilarious that so many this this is a case of: “oh no! aos isnt doing well, we need to bank on nostalgia and bring the old characters back so they love us again!”, when it’s much more likely a case of: “AoS stories are taking off and doing well, what else can we do? Hey, wouldn’t it an interesting story if Gotrek were to somehow get to the mortal realms? How would he react to it, and how would his presence effect the universe?”. I find the latter scenario much more believable. AoS is taking off and doing really well, this is just the creators exploring cool tales that could potentially add some depth to the setting, and I see nothing wrong bringing him back. We already have a plethora of characters from the old world that made it into AoS, this is just another one, and there’s nothing wrong with that. AoS is, after all, a sequel and continuation of the warhammer fantasy story. I am definitely looking forward to this book.

    • Frank Krifka

      Stahp with your logic. Seriously, just stahp. We all know that this is the place to complain that GW is doing everything wrong; not the place to approach the subject with an open and reasonable mind.

    • vlad78

      That’s the problem with ‘much more believable’. Does it mean believable or even interesting?

  • Marco

    Long live Warhammer Fantasy and the Old World!

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      Oh yeah!! Marco-bot could not let this fly unchallenged! 😀 dear Gawds?? is Gotrek going to slay the ENTIRE Age of Sigmar??? dude has a killing streak a mile long.

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        Tests the blade of his axe with his thumb, small trickle of blood runs down his hand. “Keep behind me manling, this will take some work!”, Gotrek yelled!

  • No… Should have done a story set in the Old World…

    • Their story in the old world concluded though

      • Dennis J. Pechavar

        Well there is a reference in Serpent Queen about how there were many journals that hadn’t been published yet…

  • Haravikk

    I’m not happy about this; I felt that the Gotrek & Felix saga ended well, bringing him back again just feels like it could end up being really cheap if they’re going to start trying to drag out more books about him.

    I’d much rather have a nameless avatar of Grimnir type model, with title hinting at being handed down but left vague, so people who want to believe it’s Gotrek can do-so; kind of like Grombrindal/the White Dwarf (who we all knew was Snorri Whitebeard all along).

  • ohhpoong

    The whole point of moving from WHFB to AOS was just to widen the setting a bit more. You cant really go far with a single-planet setting of Old World. Once you explore places like Cathay, Ind, Nippon etc….not much elsewhere to explore for new factions and new armies (considering how GW is all about new factions and new models). With AoS setting of 8 realms that are so vast that cannot be explored fully, you can just leave that ‘map’ setting a bit more vague and leave room for new factions to just pop up. Just like Daughters of Khaine which have been hiding in the Shadow Realm. Compare this to 40k, which is set in a galaxy and writers can just come up with a completely new planet and say it existed there all along.

    Bringing old characters like these guys just makes it clearer I think. They just wanted a new setting where they can bring some of their old WHF characters back in

    • Matthew Pomeroy

      part of what irritated folks with WHFB is that it had more factions than 40k and took forever to get updated and new models in them, some never did for 7th/8th

      • ohhpoong

        yeah i think its that thing where the argument goes around in circle: whether the Fantasy was just too unpopular to keep it going, or it wasnt popular BECAUSE they didnt get the support it deserved.

        I think if GW were given a chance to re-invest in WHFB, I think they would still go ahead with the End Times, but instead keep the Old World in the setting somewhere; a sub-realm stuck between the 8 realms which all the factions wish to conquer again. I think this is why they did a less radical setting change for 40k, which rather than destroying the setting they just made a slight change with the Great Rift.

        • Rob brown

          They just need to release an Old World Age of rules to run alongside. As they did with 30k. They can even add advice for bringing some of the newer range into the old world. It’s a good excuse for releasing a whole extra range of products without having to do anything new. If they were really smart they’d release books that let people play in any timeline of the Old Word.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            Realistically they could run both settings concurrently and likely make more money off of it, They could keep the rules for AoS as is and it would still work.

          • Seb

            My first thought when AoS was inferred via the End Times period – They’re going to do a Angels come down to aid the Old World mortals, defeat the unbridled Chaos campaign, then through gates built on the Old World, allow the Old Worlders to take the war to the multi-realms (Where Chaos has become ascendant) and Sigmar and his Host need allies to retake the overrun realms and use the Old World as the ‘Last Mortal Citadel.’

            Allow for games in all Realms and take your army into the new Realms and face exotic new foes. Or in Chaos, gain new exotic allies.

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I was honestly hoping for it to actually be in the “Age of Sigmar” not some future thing.

          • Seb

            Future as in no progression? I’m sorry, I think just as text without inflection, I dont follow 🙂

          • Matthew Pomeroy

            I really liked the age of legends series, so was hoping for a past not future setting, AoS being way in the future of the old world.

          • Seb

            Ahhh gotcha – I could have easily settled for that actually, a “30k” to Warhammer Fantasy’s present “40k”. 🙂

  • On the question of who else survived, I believe Phil Kelly has said the number of mortals reincarnated in the mortal realms could more or less fit on 2 hands