GW Weekender: The Siege of Terra

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Come and see what lies in store for the climax of the Horus Heresy as the Siege of Terra dawns.

The Hours Heresy is perhaps the single most important event in 40K Lore. The fallout from that great upheaval is still being dealt with 10k+ years later. It reshaped the state of the galaxy. No wonder then it’s the subject of so much lore, or thar the stories of the events have spanned many years. Now it’s coming to an end, but even so, things are ramping up.  Come take a look at what’s in store for the Siege of Terra, thanks to the folks over at Battle Bunnies.

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So, first up, it looks like it’s all sorted out now. They’ve figured out who’s going to be writing what stretch of the final story–and more importantly, they’ve got their sense of scope locked in. They want to cover more than just the Siege on the Wall. They want to show the full breadth of this siege, covering everything from the perspective of the Imperial Army, to forces battling it out elsewhere. Here’s a list of what we can expect to see:

Angron offering terms to the Emperor from the base of the walls. Angron will approach the wall and issue terms to Sanguinius.

Khan will fight Fulgrim.

Keeler will have a role.

The Death Guard’s fall to Nurgle will be before the Siege of Terra mini series.

The Horus Heresy will end with the Emperor on the Golden Throne. Afterwards The Scouring will begin.

At the Siege of Terra seminar, they really wanted to emphasize how punchy the release schedule is going to feel towards the end. It’s the end of an Era, after all, and they’re determined to go out with a bang. Still no definite word as to who will end it all, but, it’s all coming to an end. And it sounds radical.

Meanwhile, the Emperor and Horus race towards destiny, and the Xenos of the galaxy sit back, pretty glad not to be in the middle of the conflict, for once.

  • euansmith

    I hope that they don’t drop the ball at this late stage in proceedings. Also, I look forward to seeing what happens to HH in a few years when the Siege of Terra is done and the story-line moves on to pastures new.

    • Talos2

      THats the scouring. This isn’t finishing just because Horus is dead

      • euansmith

        The Scouring? That’s when Saruman goes after the Hobbits in the Shire, right? 😉

        • Sonic tooth

          no its when i burn the pasta

        • Talos2

          Not if you watched the movies no

          • euansmith

            It is astonishing that Jackson couldn’t find another hour or two to fit in the Scouring. I mean, it is pretty much the point the book.

          • DJ860

            I completed the films before I completed the books and boy was I surprised when Mount Doom happened, and there was still a fair amount of pages left.

          • I don’t think it was wholly necessary to the movies’ version of the journey. To me, it actually seemed valuable to have them return to a normal life without being heroes saving the Shire from Saruman’s industrialization attempts. It makes Frodo’s decision to leave more interesting too, since the Shire is truly mundane to him now, rather than a mess.

            That being said, I’d still have liked to see an alternate director’s cut addition for it.

          • Talos2

            It should have been in the extended version

          • Talos2

            The fact the ending was the worst part of the movie too, it seems a strange omission.

          • euansmith

            Lawks, Mr Baggins, the end of the movie seemed to be interminable.

    • Muninwing

      i’m hoping that there’s some inertia left to do other famous eras.

      i’d love to see the Age of Apostasy done in the same style, with elaboration and missions and other developments.

      there’s tons of info to mine for useful ideas.

      • euansmith

        A flashback to the Age of Unification would be right up my prog-rock-opera street. With the Goliaths and the Blood Reavers, they’ve got a pretty sold basis for the hordes of the Techno-barbarian Warlords.

    • mgdavey

      For me the Black Legion books have been the perfect “Post-Heresy” series.

  • Jose Luis Camarasa

    BL let Graham Mc Neill end it. And give him time to do so, just to not get another Age of Darkness fashion book

    • Graham is probably out of the picture. He’s not even writing fully for BL anymore. The Crimson King took him many years to write and his vision changed in between, making it incredibly tough. He’s moved on, I’d say.

      • euansmith

        By “vision”, do you mean eye-sight or artistic themes?

        • The latter. He ended up changing many aspects from the original plans he had to the actual writing. Heck, the first half of the draft was submitted ages before the rest was written, and the Heresy evolved over the years as well.

      • Aura1

        Graham McNeill and Dan Abnett flew in for the 14 author meeting to plan the end of the Heresy series – so safe to say they’re both writing parts. Pretty sure Abnett will get the capstone since he started it all (or he and McNeill will write counter narratives from Horus/Emperor sides as they did with TS/Prospero)

        • They’ve flown in pretty much everyone who wrote something that’ll tie into the Siege. Nevermind that it won’t just be novels. McNeill is likely going to write a short story or three to tie off some of the plotlines he came up with, but that’s about it.

          I doubt McNeill and Dan will be writing anything in tandem again, at least nothing longer than a short story. Dan getting the final book wouldn’t be something I’d wish for, seeing how his most notorious flaw is in how he ends his books, and The Unremembered Empire played up all the worst parts of Primarch action. I wouldn’t want that to happen to Sanguinius, Dorn and the Emperor.

          At this point it seems safe to say that Chris Wraight will be handling the Khan vs Fulgrim. Guy Haley is doing Beta Garmon after all, but he’ll likely have a hand in the Siege too.

          • Aura1

            If you think black Library flies in a bunch of authors from around the world to have a nice chat and a catch up you must know a different Black Library than the one I know… If you know how long it takes to write, edit, rewrite and copywrite a novel in the series, I doubt they’d show the authors meeting to plan the siege and then pick 3 of them to write a whole series of novels. There is literally no point in flying McNeill in from Los Angeles to write a 5000 word short story. Above you said he’s out of the picture – but he is, quite literally, in the picture.

            Dan Abnett has written some poor entries in the series but also some of the best – and commercially speaking he’s the best selling author to freelance with BL – if he wants to finish it off, they won’t say no. Pretty much all of the authors have written a stinker or two in the Heresy series, if having a bad book in there disqualifies them then there’s nobody left.

  • zeno666

    Just get on with it. The HH series is full of fillers, don’t let it continue that way.

    • UnLachy

      I always saw the heresy as a setting, not a series

      • Muninwing

        that’s the flaw — there’s always going to be pressure for more, even if the people who want it consume it immediately and demand more right after.

        miniatures wargaming is based on past battles, as well as using the setting to host theoreticals and current matchups. the idea that it’s a living story is interesting, because it keeps the interest of some… but it’s fundamentally flawed, because there’s only so much room to expand into.

        settings that get overworked and over-involved are pretty common (look at the old White Wolf World of Darkness, for instance). i suppose they appeal to some. but they require maintenance, and they require talent to keep fresh… which goes sour quickly when that maintenance stops.

        it’s a setting and not a story for a reason.

        • euansmith

          This is a good point, and links in to you talking about the Age of Apostasy. Maybe GW/FW could create a series of Settings rather than progressing story lines. So, like 40k for the past 30 years, the setting would remain more or less static, but they would open up other eras of play before and after 40k to allow for them to create and sell new products.

          Another alternative is for them to focus on the campaign books; but make them locally important rather than Galactically important. This could actually strengthen the sense of grim darkness in the setting. The fate of Planet X is important to the 10 billion souls who call it home, but its loss will only register as a slight blip on the logistical train of the Imperium.

    • I take it you haven’t been keeping up with the series for the past 3 years if you think that it’s been “full of fillers”. Everything has had its place in the wider narrative. You can make that case for Battle for the Abyss, to an extent for The Damnation of Pythos, but nothing since the 30s was wasted.

      • zeno666

        I usually go three books before I give up on the serie.
        Then 3-4 months pass before I pick it up again (need to listen to 40k stuff to work up some energy to paint 40k stuff).
        There are exceptions of course. But IMHO most books read the same.
        The author introduce characters and the setting. Often quite slowly.
        The author notice that he is at the middle of his page count and a twist is thrown into the story.
        So now the main characters have to work toward another goal or take another route to their goal.
        And now comes the worst part, when the author notices that his page count is running out, he has to finish the story. Hi-ho! Here we go, bolters and chainswords turns out to be a lot more effective than in the actual game over and over again (but I guess this is ok, since these stories are more like legends).
        Explosions, for the emperor, someone almost dies but does the Drizzt Do’Urden trick and collects his last remaining strength to do a Warmachine Feat-kind-of-thing.
        Epiloge, remind the reader its grim and dark.

        The end.

        Btw, I’m at book 20 now.

        • Muninwing

          i mean… you weren’t expecting fine literature, were you?

          some are a bit more involved than this, and some are a little better structured, or less obvious about being carbon-copy. but this is what the people want.

          • euansmith

            Horus Heresy, pah! “Perry Rhodan” is up to 300,000 pages and has sold approximately two billion copies! Now, THAT is milking a property for everything it is worth and giving the fans what they want! 😉

          • zeno666

            Fair point. I probably was expecting more 🙂
            I think the first few books where quite good. But then again when they where released we where starving for something to read.

      • mgdavey

        Even Damnation of Pythos turned out to be important by the time Ruinstorm was finished.

        • Exactly. They’ve not been doing standalone “filler” content in a long time. Everything had its place in the narrative. I figured years ago when Pythos was released that Madail and co would be instrumental in the later stages of the Heresy and not just throwaway entities, but people wouldn’t have it over their filler cries.
          Pythos also sets up the War Zone: Pandorax content, because it is directly connected to the Damnation Cache problem. Heck, it is going to be one of the first jobs of the Grey Knights when they return from isolation to go there and kick demons.

  • briandavion

    “The Horus Heresy will end with the Emperor on the Golden Throne. Afterwards The Scouring will begin.” sounds like BL’s got a “sequal series” in mind already

    • AmorousBadger

      There’s a lot out there to mine – the ‘death’ of Rogal Dorn, Fulcrum vs Papa Smurf, the Iron Cage, the creation of the Codex Astartes and the reactions of loyalist primarchs to it, the growth of the Imperial Cult, the beginnings of the fracturing of the traitor legions, the Eldar and the Orks resurgent…

      • GWELLS

        Well Fulgrim and Mr. Smurf was somewhat covered in Dark Imperium, though a prequel to those events could definately work.

        I would definately like to know what the heck the Orks were doing the whole time during the Heresy, I know they spend most of their time being crushed after Ullanor but they could cover some stuff that could serve as a prequel to The Beast Arises. Like maybe show some lead up and hints to how the Beast Waaghh originally started.

        • vlad78

          Frankly, the beast arises is just abysmally bad compared to the heresy or even on its own imho. I wouldn’t mind if they let it rot on some dark forgotten corner of the fluff.

          • I’m torn. On one hand it had some exceptional novels, on the other it suffered from blatantly terrible editorial oversight, which meant character arcs fell through the gaps and the penultimate book retreading almost the same ground as the much superior 10th volume. The Beheading also suffered from having to wrap up too much in what room it had, including a time jump. Apart from the space issues, it was fantastic.

            There’s some adjustments you could’ve made along the way that’d have smoothed out almost all of the problems the series had, improved the pacing and improved consistency. All of them should have been the job of a dedicated editor to handle. That didn’t happen, mostly due to the series being written the way it was: partially in parallel, the first ones years before, and GW changed drastically in between.

          • vlad78

            It is exactly my opinion, but overall it is a miserable failure that should be reedited and partly rewritten.

          • GWELLS

            Beast Arises was fine, not perfect but better in some regards to the endless slog that HH, and every criticism that has been raised you can easily throw at the Heresy. Nope the Beast Arises was great, disagree completely.

          • vlad78

            Then let’s agree to disagree. ^^
            It’s your money.

    • GWELLS

      Pretty much, in fact its actually inaccurate to say the heresy ended with Horus. The victory at Terra just reinvirgorated the loyalists. There is centuries of struggles and events to explore after the death of Horus.

      Like what were some of the battles chasing the traiters into the eye. The events of the iron cage, Khans disappearance, the quasi-civil war with dorn, Corax’s disappearance. There is tons of material there to mine and you could even argue that it was part of the Heresy. They could just re brand those books “Horus Hesesy – The Scouring”.

      • vlad78

        Horus Hesesy.

        At least something new. I’ll be in as soon as I learn what it is. ^^

  • Sanguinius will die :'(

    • euansmith

      It is funny because it is true… or fictional…

  • Alienerd the unbannable

    If this means Forgeworld will remember that things exist in the 41st millennium again which aren’t just clad in power armour… I’m happy! I love the heresy stuff to bits but I look forward to more variety out of them again.

  • eMtoN

    About time.

  • Fergie0044

    “The Death Guard’s fall to Nurgle will be before the Siege of Terra mini series”

    Yay! It’s about time the DG got to be the star in a novel rather than just being supporting characters.

    • It’s been in the cards for years and there’ve been a bunch of novels and short stories building up to it. I’m surprised it took this long, to be honest, but at least whoever’s going to be writing it has many threads to pull together.

  • Belechem

    Perhaps we will get an Emperor Mini…..

  • Rafał Pytlak

    Mini series? So what, 12 books lke Beast Arises? xD