Tabletop Gallery: “A Shadow In the Warp”

It’s right behind me isn’t it…

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  • SilentPony

    Okay so this has been bothering me for awhile, and that Assassin is as good a jumping off point as any.
    Pariahs = Psychic blanks. Daemons can’t see them, and powers are virtually impossible to cast when they’re around.
    And the Exorcists possess their scouts with Daemons to make them soulless, thus better at fighting Daemons. Good. Great.
    How then are there Exorcist Librarians?!

    • YetAnotherFacelessMan

      They serve as a daemonhost as a way of increasing their resistance to the malignant forces, but that doesn’t make them full-on pariahs. There are exorcist librarians because your question’s premise is flawed. ^_^

      • SilentPony

        Actually the old Imperial Armor books do list them as an entire chapter of Pariahs.

        • YetAnotherFacelessMan

          The Ultramarines also used to have a half-eldar librarian. Let bad fluff die. No one wants to play against an army that is invisible to daemons and immune to psychic powers. The fluff is in service to the game, so the the new fluff says resistant and so there are librarians…

          Besides… if there aren’t librarians… who binds the daemons?

          • SilentPony

            I assumed it was the radical Inquisitors that used Grey Knights geneseed to make the Exorcists.
            And its not old canon. The audio drama Deathwatch: The Last Guardian, released with the new Deathwatch kit, has an Exorcists who is invisible to even a Greater Daemon and immune to psychic powers.

          • YetAnotherFacelessMan

            A single character can do anything. You tell me there is a single marine that can eat an Eldar whole and I’ll believe you. Every single exorcist being invisible and unstoppable for daemons and psykers is just bad writing. Furthermore, it is in no way reflected on the tabletop, even during the heyday of Forgeworld specialty marines. If you think it’s cool, then more power to you, but I wouldn’t worry too much about it, myself.

          • James Regan

            plus there’s the thing, as highlighted in master of mankind, that if all an enemy has enough blanks, daemons get better at hitting them. Blanks are invisible to daemons, but not in the way visual invisibility works- they aren’t transparent at all. Put enough of them in one place, and have them hitting enough daemons, and the daemons can just learn to punch the really dark patches that are moving around and bullets keep coming out of. Given daemons can vaguely perceive the material world, fighting pariahs is just something they need to get their head around, by hitting the places where there isn’t any air or floor (not a perfect technique, as on battlefields with a lot of holes in the floor you’ll probably still end up picking the odd fight with a mine shaft, but that’s basically how it has always said their invisibility works, and is why necrons and tau drones don’t count as blanks in combat- blanks are places where a daemon can’t sense anything, not just a combatant without a soul)

          • YetAnotherFacelessMan

            Okay, but now we’re changing the direction of the conversation. They can’t all be blanks because there are librarians. So, they aren’t all blanks, unless pariah librarians can be a thing, which seem to be a contradiction of terms.

            I said the simplest way of solving this is that they aren’t ALL blanks, but I’ve heard nothing but doubling down on that since, so I’ve accepted that and gone to “It’s contradictory and poorly-written fluff from a secondary founding.”

          • James Regan

            i suppose librarians might go through the same test- possession and exorcism, but as librarians, they could do the exorcism themselves, hence using their soul to cast out the daemon, rather than have the daemon take their soul with it on the way out (which i guess is the normal method, given they have to be able to be possessed in the first place, and natural blanks are already immune to that). Hence they’d be tested for immunity to possession, at least up to a certain extent. Still wouldn’t make them all blanks, but whether that was the writers intent depends on the exact wording used (in ‘a chapter composed entirely of psychic blanks’ you’d presume they meant the regular marines, and not that they didn’t have either librarians or vehicles, which also can’t be blanks by decree of the omnisiah)

          • YetAnotherFacelessMan

            Extremely reasonable argument and expansion on my assertion that they can’t all be 100% blank. Good stuff, James.