40K RUMORS: Guilliman Planning NEW Space Marines

You need to read these latest set of marine rumors, from one of the community’s oldest most reliable rumormongers.

For years and years, 75Hastings69 has been a bellwether for the 40K rumorsphere. He has a reputation for calling things correctly months out.  He’s chimed up over the last few days with what he says is coming to the grimdark later this year in the aftermath of the Gathering Storm series:

It sounds like Guilliman has some big plans for NEW space marines for the Imperium.

New Space Marines?!

info via 75Hastings69 (DISQUS)

“I wouldn’t be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won’t be ‘some’, expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 😉 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon 😉 )

Without trying to sound like a dick I’ve known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!

…Imagine how the sigmarines are to the standard empire soldier. Wouldn’t it be a weird twist of fate if AoS copy pasted space marines into the fantasy setting as Sigmar’s answer to chaos always winning, that somehow w40k kind of copy pasted the end times and reboot of fantasy AoS into 40k with the same fundamental idea….. hence new marines will spearhead offensive for the emperor following on from current w40k fluff events/outcome.

…New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines …… if that makes sense?

…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.

I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?

I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.

…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, I imagine (at least fluff wise) they SHOULD be their own army, however that’s not to say they wont also be added to existing chapters as a choice somehow, in fact from a sales point of view it would probably be better to offer them to existing marine players as something new they can buy. I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”

Thoughts

We know that there have been hints for months of some “secret plan” on Mars being unleashed to thwart the advances of Chaos.  We have Roboute Guilliman rising to lead the Imperium and take the fight to the galaxy. If you put these things together, you have the opportunity for a new model range.  I think most players would admit that the classic Space Marine range is getting a bit old and tired.  For 40k’s 30th Anniversary, I could see GW taking the chance to introduce an entirely new range that every Imperial player could collect. After all, what’s more exciting than Space Marines?  NEW SUPERIOR different looking Space Marines!

~ What do you think “new improved Space Marines” would look like?

  • AregonAlmighty

    Yes sure ok, but when will orks/chaos/tyranids get an update?

    • Munn

      Chaos just had a major update, they can wait.

      • Nick Davidson

        Oh they got a new core codex then? When did that happen?

        • Thedinosaur

          when all those new models were launched..

        • NNextremNN

          Just because you don’t like the thousand suns, Tzangors and new tzeentch daemon does not mean they didn’t happen.

          Also have you read the article? “…Mortarion and his plague armies etc…” are they more to your liking or are they still the wrong chaos?

          I’m not saying that anything is balanced. This is far beyond my understanding but stop saying that chaos doesn’t get anything.

          Orks and Tyranids a re a different topic …

          • Brandon Rutter

            id imagine that they will get some more focus w/ the coming new edition’s boxed set, also, as Chaos is, once again, supposedly the other force. Necrons vs ‘Nids didn’t make the cut a

        • Randy Randalman

          They got KDK, Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Traitor’s Hate, Traitor Legions, and Thousand Sons updates in less than a year. They have updates to Nurgle and Slaanesh coming. Chaos can take a seat for a few. They won’t get a “core” codex anymore, because GW wants to differentiate the sub factions for them. They’ve had more love than any other 40k faction in 7th edition. Chaos can sit on the shelf for a moment so Orks and Tyranids can become relevant again.

          • Bonesaw1o1

            the problem is that the majority of these books, bar wrath of Magnus, all use the core chaos book for points costs and rules. Traitor legions has done a lot to help, but as it stands plenty units are still over priced for what they bring, even with the formation benefits (ie possessed)

          • NNextremNN

            But this is not a model problem it is a rule problem which might get addressed with 8th anyway.

          • Malisteen

            There remain model problems with the bulk of the line, which haven’t been updated since the dawn of third edition, and look as painfully outdated as they are.

          • DeCold

            Actual problem is that ALL of these books built upon core codex, and core codex is awfull. Therefore all of the books are awfull.

          • Cergorach

            The Chaos SM Codex is perfect! You guys wanted to play a faction that’s build upon pain and suffering, I think all the CSM players feel that! It’s perfectly fluffy ;-p

          • Louie’sUglyRanglehorns

            Well played. Let their suffering be their ecstasy!
            …as I shoot them off the board

            (jk, I don’t think they’re that bad)

          • Not liking an army’s rules doesn’t change the fact that they have had the most releases of any army since 6th, that’s just reality. And the supplements (except TH & legions) are like 5% rules, 95% background, which made the books great, not awful

          • Agent OfBolas

            I still would give away all of those books as they are just terrible … GW released so many books because CSMs were so bad, that players bought anything for this army with hope for fixes .. and it ended the same everytime = poor, weak rules.

        • Slagalica Marx Bobica

          Not so long ago, it’s called traitor legions or something like that.

        • David Vance

          After Gathering Storm, I am not certain you are going to see true dedication to a stand-alone CSM army. I imagine you are going to see Chaos shifting to more god-focused forces such as we have already with Khorne and Tzeentch. Mortarion’s plague-focused just adds more credence to this concept. I imagine you will be able to pick and choose across the board, but I also imagine you are going to lose synergies when you do so that you will see in Khorne-based, or Nurgle-based forces. Just my guess; I’m just attempting to read tea leaves, and I don’t even like tea.

      • Chaosrex

        Thousands sons is but ONE of the 9 factions of CSM.

        Traitor’s Hate is just a collection of allready existing formations and rules, just the Black Legion rules that where slightly changed, for the rest its identical then whats in the BL supplement.

        Traitor Legion is NOT SOMETHING NEW, at least i don’t considere it like this, because its hte Legion rules we had lost for some reasons in 4th Ed, so we only got back what we had before.

        Plus on the 25 or so formations 15 are BL only and are those that where allready in Traitor’s Hate, once again copy/pasted.

        The “New” chaos stuff was lazy at best, apart from the new thousands sons models, there is nothing.

        Still have no Chosens models, Chaos Lord, Plastic Havocs, Plagues, Noises, the Berserk kits is more then 15 years old, anything that is slightly “good” or “usefull” as a ridiculous points price for what it does.

        Even KDK who can be considered one of the best things that happened to Chaos Marines, is just a mash up of CSm and Deamons, with not much of a change apart for the addition of the BftBG rule and blood tithe, anything else in this is but a copy/paste of allready existing codexes.

        But yeah sure, we should be happy with this right?…

        • NNextremNN

          Go ask the tyrannid and orc players it’s more than they got.

          And still rules =/= models and rules are supposed to change in 8th for all.

          • Steven Hyche

            Nids got genestealer cult and shield of Baal. Ork got the Ghazghul formation supplement.

          • orionburn

            A new standalone army does not equal Nids getting an update. That’s like saying the Astra Militarum got an update because there’s new Space Marine stuff. None of that fixes a codex that is woefully out of date and missing a large chunk of the newer models/units.

          • Steven Hyche

            Should read the whole thread before commenting. Its exactly the same thing Chaos got. Except nids actually got a pretty good stand alone army with new units. Most of the new chaos stuff are recasts of old models.

          • Huh? Only 1 book was a separate faction, KDK, the rest were supplements, which is 7 releases (2x crimson Slaughter & black legion, traitors hate wrath of Magnus and traitor legions), plus KDK are actually BB with CSM unlike GS cults. And that doesn’t include IA 13 or Vraks. That’s really not comparable to nids or Orks

          • Steven Hyche

            Shield of Baal? DONT get me wrong i know nids and orks are crap but just because chaos has got more crap bandaids doesnt mean they are in a good spot.

          • What do you mean by “in a good spot?” Getting releases is what OP is complaining about, comparing 1 nid release to 7 CSM just isn’t equivalent at all. There’s always good and bad armies in 40k, people who complain about power level are just whining

          • Steven Hyche

            4 nid releases 3 shield of baal

          • Agent OfBolas

            GW already annouced that 8th edition will get just slight changes – no revolution. So current books are going to be still valid.

          • Nameless

            not to attempt to spread any doubt, but I wasn’t aware Games Workshop had announced or officially spoken about any new edition of 40k

          • NNextremNN

            According to this http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/01/40k-rumors-8th-edition-ruleset-splits.html rumors it’s more than slight changes. But yeah your right lets wait and see what happens. I’m really curious (in a good way).

          • Karru

            I’m still very pessimistic about 8th edition. I currently only see two realistic situations for it and neither sounds great to me. First one would be the first set of rumours that state they won’t do much. They’ll just remove something and add something, but the core game will stay the exact same it is right now.

            The second comes from the second set of rumours that stated it would become more simplistic, similar to AoS.

            Neither means good for 40k, at least the 40k I like to play. Simplistic ruleset will do the exact same for it as AoS did. The game will become bland where only your army matters and the opponent’s army is just another shaped set of plastic. Keeping things the same will just continue the rulebloat we already suffer from. Keeping 40k in Apocalypse scale won’t be helping much in the long run, so trying to get new people start the game will be extremely difficult.

            Then again, I already accepted that 40k will never be fixed. That’s why I went back to my lovely 5th edition and haven’t regretted it. As long as GW won’t pull off AoS on minis, remove entire armies or make some armies completely uncollectable due to removal of their core units from the store, I won’t stop supporting GW as they still produce the best models in the market.

      • DeCold

        Oh right, just remember all these new models and new codex right?

      • Dominic Pirrello

        I would not call it an update. More like a correction to a mistake. But you’re correct. A few Tyranid and ork releases would really break up the repetition. I can’t remember the last time I saw some one bring an Ork army to our local game store to play.

        • william timonen

          They have seventh edition codex atleast!

          • Jessie Ceelen

            Idk with the new CSM supplement i really like the way they play, sure i don’t feel like using certain kinda of stuff (looking at you spawn) but the core of the army plays pretty well. As for models most look pretty good, standard marines, raptors and tsons especially the only thing that desperately needs a revamp are the khorn berzekers. I see a lot of people always complain about orks and ‘nids but myself i’d rather see them retool the guard’s 6th edition codex because from playing them i almost always only play them in cad or as part of the castellans detachment since veterans are pretty much the go to thing since almost everybody brings marines. Their models have pretty much not been updated since they got their plastic adaptation, for the catachans that’s like 20 years ago allready and they could use some love. Rough riders don’t have models anymore and their rules need a revamp and most of the stuff just needs a huge retool to be a real hammer of the imperium again.

      • Spacefrisian

        I wished GW did at least the same thing for Astra Militarum.

    • BBB

      See what happened to the Bretonnian range? There’s your answer.

    • Karru

      At around the same pace as Death will get something in AoS. Basically when there is a sudden, overwhelming demand on them that topples the big seller, which will never happen. Basic GW logic in the works.

    • Cergorach

      Chaos Space Marines/Deamons got a lot of Tzeench stuff. Tyranids got Genestealer Cults. Orks recently got the Blasta Jet, but Orks are pretty much as fleshed out in plastic as it can get. Also the faction is unique in that if you stick some models together with bits of plastic card, it’s a new Ork model… 😉 Eldar have a ton of kits that need to move over to plastic! What about Sisters, that all metal faction needs an overhaul! What about Inquisition? Also needs an overhaul!

      40k has been a SM centric game since it’s inception (RT), that’s not going to change. EVER!

      Super Space Marines might not be the best move for a complete new faction, on the other hand if it’s something like DeathWatch in scope of release, I can certainly live with it.

    • J Mad

      Orcs/Nids and a real DE/IG update 🙁

    • Agent OfBolas

      they are not selling as that good so … never. GW loves just Eldar/SM self-selling combo

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      Hahahahahaha…Oh wait you were serious? Those factions are not Space Marines(or eldar) so why are you playing them? Space Marines will be even better! Isn’t that exciting!?! Sarcasm of course.

    • palaeomerus

      Slap some gunz on da ironjawz.

    • rrooster1977

      Chaos has gotten a lot of new books but other then the recent flood of Tzeentch stuff not much in the way of models. I really like some of the lists in the Traitor Legion book and personally if Chaos gets anything I wish it would be replacing some of our many 3rd edition finecost sculpts with plastic kits. As far as expansion books go though I agree that other factions need some love.

    • David Vance

      So. My guess is you won’t see Orks or Tyranids get an update like you think they should get. My personal guess, based upon how AoS has gone, and how most new releases for WH40K have gone, is that you get “micro-armies” formed from the different factions (Harlequins, Deathwatch, Skitarii, etc.) For example, Orks as a whole might not get a massive update, but you might see a Kult of Speed force of a few vehicles and boyz, a Deathlooterz force, etc. There’s no knowledge basis behind this, but I think you will see every army broken up. Maybe in time there might be that all-encompassing book put out that pulls all the micro-armies together, but I think it will match Age of Sigmar’s release pattern with the Stormcast Eternals.

  • Kritarion

    Calling it now: Centronics sized Marines. And in Two years: Knight sized Centurions for those Marines

    • Cergorach

      That might be good news for many, Centurions aren’t that popular…

  • StinkHorse

    Maybe this is how they finally make the push to true-scale marines?

    • Andy Wise

      good shout.

    • Vorropohaiah

      doesnt make sense though as in-universe the older marines would still exist. so if GW makes uber marine models, that means that the new marines will be, what, 10-12 feet tall in-universe and would tower over normal 8ft tall marines in the fluff. my head hurts

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        It sounds utterly ghastly. I hate it. Sigmarines for 40k, I bet the f#ckers are gold too. Awful fluff apocalypse. Seriously the dumbest thing of 30 years of fluff. Don’t do it GW. If it turns out how I imagine it might then after 30 years my involvement with GW will be over.

        • SWISSchris

          Yeah I’ve no desire to see Space Marines replaced as the poster-boys of 40k, as much as I have multiple xenos armies tooo. Revamp the model range, sure. Mk IX, sure. But sidelining the marines in favour of new uber-marines would change a lot about 40k. How would you get better warriors than those created from the Primarchs themselves anyway? Depending on where this goes, I may just stay on the 39,999 side of whatever happens following Gathering Storm 3. I mean I’ve pretty much stayed with 2nd and 5th too so I’m not exactly representative of the player base : )

          • NNextremNN

            Well they were asked for true scale marines for a long time sigmarines seem to sell pretty well and they don’t want to destroy old Space Marine collection’s by creating a whole set of new models for an old faction. Model size and all that stuff still matters for rules on the tabletop.

          • SWISSchris

            New model ranges don’t prevent you from playing with old ones, if they did I think I’ve have to shelve nearly my entire collection : )

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I agree. I think GW see the existing collections of gamers (which gradually leach onto Ebay) as a big problem. If they release a whole new flagship line they can circumvent that.

            However I think they are in SERIOUS danger of causing such damage to the fluff and alienating existing customers so much they could destroy the whole setting and wreck their company.

            If GW are reading this, DON’T DO IT. There are better, safer ways of rejuvenating the franchise.

          • Nameless

            Games Workshop has shown little to no interest in existing customers, over the last few years they are increasingly focused on the kind of person who walks though the door, buys an arm and never comes back.

            this is a company that put out a set of extremely expensive books for warhammer end times, which where made redundant in less than a year. That thought that an announcement just 2 weeks before the release of Age of Sigmar wouldn’t create a backlash with the players who had spent many years playing Fantasy.

            That rather than fleshing out the mortal realms with armies of all different factions have released yet another Stormcast faction.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Its generally recognised in marketing that its much easier to keep a customer than get a new one, and that a happy customer is your best salesman.

            I don’t think GW does itself any good ignoring this wisdom.

        • Cergorach

          Burn your army!

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I’d just Ebay it all (30,000 painted points), buy more Bolt Action and GofA stuff and upgrade my recording studio.

        • grim

          you won’t be missed. GW doesn’t care.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            They do. They care about their bottom line, and I am a customer. I wouldn’t be alone either.

        • Timothy Leonard

          Please do it… Sigmar the hell out of 40k. 40k is stale and lame at this point. Give us MEGA MARINES that ride the lightning into battle and are immortal. Age of Guilliman is at hand!

          • Tholric

            YEAH, SCREW 25 YEARS OF FLUFF AND THE PLAYERS THAT GAVE THEIR MONEY TO GW!

          • Steven S.

            The fluff is boring and stagnant at this point… just Sigmar 40k. It won’t get rid of what happened before. Just make it cool again. And actually entice new player into the game. Space marines have gotten so boring.

          • palaeomerus

            Have four armed marines and centaur marines and Zoat marines and bat marines and turtle marines. Imperial furries go!

          • euansmith

            “Look, da stoopid ‘umies ‘ave brought a bunch of Rhino to fight uz! Dis iz gunna be tu easy.”

            “Rhino-bots, Roooooooll out!”

            “Whoa, did ewe see dat?! Dey transmoglified in to rad Dreadknights! Dis juz got interestin’, hurr hurr hurr.”

      • euansmith

        They could retcon existing marines down to 6′ 6″.

        • Crevab

          er, they’re about 6’9″ or so out of their armor

          • euansmith

            Oh, I always thought it was roughly 7″ tall; but varied from Marine to Marine and Chapter to Chapter. Generally a head taller than a “normal” human.

          • Crevab

            http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06fb03f8867bff6e6207882fbdbecea949063225b8282211cb0e09bb8972e2a5.jpg

            They had this up at Warhammer World, at one point. So we’re agreeing, just differing on the semantics… huh, guess we better have an internet argument then

          • euansmith

            “Grrrrr! Aaaargh! [shakes fist] You’ll have to take my opinion from my cold, dead brain!” 😉

    • Luca Lacchini

      While I’d really like to see TtS marines, the idea of replacing my current Crimson Fists force is simply dreadful. 70+ marines, vehicles, trinkets. Nope.
      I’d rather see new AdMech-pimped MkIX power armor, with hard points for modular weapon/sensor/comms attachments and all the bells and whistles of a new crusading Imperial force.
      Something that is massively shelled out by Forge Worlds as never seen in the last 10K years, to re-equip the Astartes.

      Long(er)-legged Centurions for fast strikes, or with massive rocket engines to go toe to toe with Tau battlesuits.

      A new STC pattern for tracked vehicles and tanks.

      Carapace armor for Imperial Guard regiments.

      Adding instead of substituting.

      • NNextremNN

        This somehow sounds like what they plan. New bigger/better models but for new armies to not destroy/invalidate the old armies.

        • ZeeLobby

          Well. And to eventually obsolete old models and force sales on anyone who enjoys playing the current range.

          • NNextremNN

            I nowhere read they want to make old model obsolete.

          • ZeeLobby

            It’s a common marketing technique. They won’t immediately, but over the years and through the fluff they’ll phase them out. Space Marines just aren’t as profitable as they used to be. The second hand market is probably oversaturated at this point.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            My only hope is that Hastings is actually picking up on the Custodes release. They could fulfill this role without killing the fluff. It wouldn’t be the first time a rumour has been misinterpreted in that way.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah… I mean hastings is rock solid as far as rumors go, but he does have limited understanding of 40K (as his background was fantasy). Still, I’d find it hard to believe he wouldn’t recognize/differentiate a custode. I’d also find it odd that FW has released a bunch of basic vehicles for custodians if they’re going to be a part of the main core line. That is unless GW expect us now to buy from FW to play the core game, or if those were just heresy era custode vehicles and now we’re getting 40K era ones.

            All I really know is that no one in my group has been asking for more imperial factions, so I just don’t see this being a hit for anyone I play with, which is a shame. There’s so many ways they could have taken it that didn’t end up with more “marines”. Oh well.

          • Jessie Ceelen
          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Lets hope this is it. If they big up Custodes then fine. It makes sense that Guillaman persuades them to leave the Palace and become more active.

          • Emprah

            And Custodes are almost indistinguishable from Space Marines, so it fits the bill.

      • SWISSchris

        I would be happy with this. Mk IX and associated wargear would simply be newer or better equipped marines, like chapters from a more recent founding, or even companies in existing chapters of even-more-elite marines, kinda like a First+ company, but instead of Terminator suits, its’ burlier marines in Mk IX.

  • Unimpressed

    so spess mereens get new toys … how surprising. if there are new marines to come then actiul spess mereens become what the guard was and the guard becomes what the dwarfes are … so sad, i once loved my guard!

  • Dangerous Toast

    My theory. Emperors throne is failing, as there is no single body that his soul can find as a host he is split into shards of Sigmaempramarines – utilising men of Iron techpriest knowledge of the same powers that sustain RG. Custodes and sisters then have to go onto super adventures with them. Creates a new faction, limits their power lore wise. Yes you could have a sigmarempramarine army. But can also be used as an ally as part of any Imperial forces. Like having a baby Emperor.

  • grumzimus

    Just what IoM needs, more armies to use! Seriously, how many units does a faction need?

    Lol here comes the end times!! We will wait and see what they come out with. No doubt Nids & Orks will be disapointed 😛

    • Nick Davidson

      If it is the end times (which by my reckoning we’ve been in for about a decade) then the NEW marines will be the ONLY marines by the end of it.

  • Albert Ross

    I’m so dreading 8th edition

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Me too.

    • Dennis J. Pechavar

      I wouldn’t be as worried if I still wasn’t as bitter about the end of Fantasy. To cut off anyone telling me to try AoS and that I will like it if I give it a chance, I did try it and I didn’t care for it. Not how I wanted to play Warhammer Fantasy.

      • Tholric

        You know what they say. Fool me once…

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          Words of wisdom.

      • Sz

        But ask yourself why you hate AoS. I despise AoS, and the reason why is because I never asked for a goddam skirmish game for my beautifully-painted ranks and flanks. I don’t care what the fanboys say, AoS is a simpleton’s strategy game compared to WHFB (even when stacked against the dumber editions, looking at you 5th and 8th.) That’s why I hate AoS. I felt depressed after experiencing how underwhelming it is compared to its predecessors. Meanwhile, 40k, has always been a skirmish game, as games with bullets tend to be. From a rules perspective, I am not terribly worried about AoS’ing 40k some in the 8th, because I believe the fit is more natural. Personally, I think if the 8th just dumps all the damn rerolls that will streamline the game a ton (I swear it’s a freaking surprise when anyone has to accept the first result dice show,) but they aren’t going to start/stop there.

        Now from a model’s perspective… …let’s just say if I see a bunch of damn tactical marines sprouting angel wings, I’m gonna pass.

        • Dennis J. Pechavar

          I hear you on the tactical side, removing tree and other terrain having a real affect on troops was one of many changes I disliked in 8th. I play Mordheim and that is the most skirmish I want for my Warhammer Fantasy.

  • Maitre Lord Ironfist

    Sororitas confirmed! yay!

  • el_tigre

    If you want to revitalize armies of the imperium how about giving us female space marines (Sisters of Gulliman? lol.) or boxes of guardsmen with more than a fifth of the max. unit size? Even 20 for the standard Guardsmen would be a far bigger step in the right direction than “Yo dawg, we heard you like space marines, how about space-er marines! Twice as big and only 3 times the cost!”

    • Nick Davidson

      How about we just get the much more inspiring Sororitas update we’ve been waiting for.

      • Tholric

        That would be catering to the customer base – unthinkable for GW!

    • NNextremNN

      You want double the amount of guards just buy 2 boxes?

      You want female Space Marines physically not possible in the lore of that universe but sure model them however you like … or just use Soroitas or Sisters of Silence.

      And omg they want to sell new better versions of their most favourite faction and earn money with them what a horrible horrible company.

      • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

        Have you got a new username Wibbling?

        • NNextremNN

          Nope I have this username for a long while and no clue who or what Wibbling is.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Well its nice to meet you then. Which GW store do you work in?

          • NNextremNN

            I work as Consultant (mainly software test) for a software development company in Germany if you want to know. And on lazy days when I have to wait for others to finish their job I lose myself in comment sections on the internet.

          • SundaySilence

            I wouldn’t worry about the remark. Welcome BoLS; where if you have a contrary opinion to the core whiners (Knight, Zeelobby, Ben Grimm et all), don’t lament at least once a day about Bretonnians/Tomb Kings/Squats/Zoats/Sisters of Battle and don’t suck up to certainow article authors you are considered a troll or GW spy.

          • NNextremNN

            I don’t worry about such things if this would have been the case I wouldn’t have answered.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            We have at least one definite shill on here, and had a load after the introduction of AoS, so please forgive me if I jump to that conclusion when someone I havent noticed before rudely and aggressively defends GW.

    • silashand

      In fairness, they seem to be doing just that with a lot of their newer releases. For instance, it used to be $50 for 5 Sigmarines in AoS in some cases, now it’s $60 for 10. It’s hard for any company to simply lower prices when they know they cost too much. However, repackaging them in such a manner allows them to address the issue somewhat without overtly looking like they are lowering prices directly. JMO and certainly it isn’t true for all their new releases. But they’ve done it a fair number of times so far and it makes me think they may continue on their path. All I know is their current prices keep me from buying new models. A slight increase for twice the number is much more palatable. It also allows them to phase out the old box eventually and then re-introduce it as “new” later on. JMO though…

    • Iconoc1ast
  • Parthis

    OK OK, new rules, new models, it all sells and GW are a business. Making them standout on the table is a problem, but sure.

    I just don’t understand the narrative need for it. It’s story to serve selling, and nothing more. Given the setting the idea that there is suddenly a new war-winning super soldier is just full-on meh.

    • Nick Davidson

      There is a fluff reason though, the current chapters are all incomplete (not one of them has a full set of implants that works), and flawed (black rage, weird skin and eye colours, insanity, furries, etc). Gulliman wants to correct that.

      • Parthis

        I understand the reason, I just don’t understand the need. It’s just not an interesting or narratively strong reason to do it given the setting and opportunities. Instead of Gulliman reworking the Astartes, moulding them, leading them, uniting them, he’ll… replace them? And new armour? And new tanks? And new… well, products.

        It’s a narrative move driven to sell new models in a faction that doesn’t need more bloat. Which is a shame.

        Just feels like the easy narrative choice… and the thing about good story telling is that drama exists in the hard choices.

      • Aren’t ultramarines perfect?

        • SWISSchris

          Only in the eyes of a certain Mr. Ward I’m afraid

          • NNextremNN

            Well comparing to Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Ravan Guard and various others their gene seed is less flawed.

            They have little tendencies to fall for chaos and are less secretive/suspicious like let’s say Dark Angels.

            This does not make them perfect but puts them above several other chapters and it’s the reason why they have so many successor chapters.

            Oh the other hand it makes them rather plain and boring.

          • SWISSchris

            Haha yeah, I like to think of the BA and SW flaws as giving them more interesting personalities. Reason there are more successors to UMs is that they are standard vanilla marines, so if a player was create a new chapter of their own they’re the blankest slate to start from before you introduce some new characteristic.

          • NNextremNN

            Well in the fluff the most pure are chosen to create new Chapters. And due to Canix Helix all attempts to create Space Wolves successors failed.

          • SWISSchris

            Cool that does make sense an an in-universe explanation

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            In the fluff the Ultramarines avoid much of the fighting in the Heresey so have the most marines to divide into successor chapters.

          • NNextremNN

            Avoid sounds like this was intended let’s say bad circumstances kept them from joining the fight. But yes this is true aswell also maybe that’s why there were less tainted by chaos *shrug* who knows.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            You are right, they were a long way away.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            They didnt avoid the battle deliberately like a certain legion…

          • Iconoc1ast

            Oi! The Dark Angels were ‘tactically’ late….

            Ahem…

        • Raven Jax

          No, most are born with a gene-seed defect that causes their heads to be lodged in their posteriors.

        • euansmith

          They are prone to Male Pattern Baldness.

      • Braaaahk

        I think RG’s going to take one look at a dead firewarrior and instantly upgrade all guard units empire wide.
        I think that’s the ‘new marines’ just a massive upgrade to the standard forces

        • NNextremNN

          Isn’t anything GW does overpriced? So isn’t it kinda redundant to use that with GW?

          And why should a army that has twice the model count for the same points cost the same money as a army with a lower model count?

          I mean the resource value would be higher alone. And they still have to make moulds and pay designers and the models have to pay for those too. So of course better selling armies can be made cheaper.

          Of course they could double the amount of guards in the box but that would have little impact on the price except doubling that one too.

          • Cergorach

            Why would a Trabant be so much cheaper then a same sized Ferrari? The reason is simple, there are other factors at work!

            We all know GW isn’t making huge, Apple like, profits. So it’s certainly not overpriced, especially when the competition in hard plastic isn’t all that much cheaper, and in some cases more expensive.

            Also, you don’t base your MSRP on what it cost to make, you base it on what the market will bear. And the market will bear a lot when we talk about excellent hard plastic models, set in a fluffy universe. We’ll even ignore horrible rules… 😉

          • NNextremNN

            True also there are people who don’t care about rules and just like to paint things.

          • Sz

            You know, I spent a lot of years away from the hobby because I got disgusted with GW’s pricing policies. After coming back, and doing some non-bitter and unbiased research, I have to agree with you. While sometimes I swear they were drunk when they priced certain items, their prices– while high (welcome to every hobby ever,) are not out of line. Especially if you wisely pick your spots: boxed sets, know the right retailers, Ebay, and just pay ‘what the market will bear.’ I still sometimes take the full GW-price hit because I like the guy who manages their local store, but usually i like my money more.

        • Cergorach

          Something like that has been whirling around in my head as well… Something like “Why haven’t you been using this (weapon X from the Heresy)!?!?” and then opens the back of the broom closet and pulls out a whole slew of ‘lost’ weapons. Giving the Cult Mechanicus a good spanking for hiding the ‘car’ keys to the good stuff…

      • SWISSchris

        “not one of them has a full set of implants that works” I was not aware of this – genuinely interested, which bit of fluff is it from?

        • NNextremNN

          It’s actually not that bad as he describes it.

          Take a look here http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gene-seed#Chapters_with_known_gene-seed_flaws

          These of course apply to successor chapters too and many other successors developed new flaws.

          • SWISSchris

            Ah, yes, I was aware of those where they apply to the more well know chapters. As a BA and SW player, I wouldn’t say their flaws were crippling to their warrior prowess. Berserker rage has its uses from time to time.

          • NNextremNN

            Well Space Marines are not known for spiting poisonous acid so it doesn’t make a difference for Raven Guard on the tabletop that they are missing that.

      • BigGrim

        Since when is Guilliman a better geneticist than the Emperor?

      • Emprah

        Ultramarines and successors, Dark Angels and successors, Blood Ravens, White Scars and such all have fully working implants.

        Sons of Dorn have faulty ones only. Some like BA and SW have different ones that work well.

  • Greg Betchart

    Hoping they are confused with custodes… as otherwise that is just stupid

  • Roughneck

    Such BS its untrue

    • “75hastings69 – Total rumors: (123 TRUE) / (28 FALSE) / (3 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) – Updated 1/8/2016″

      His statistics are not at all bad dude 😛


      PENDING 40k Rumors – Sept 2016
      None at all sorry. There are other 40k things too….. new plague army,
      rubric marines TRUE & LoC etc. etc. but I have no idea when any of it is due out. I was expecting the GS Cult codex to hit by end of 2016 but I’m not so sure now. “

      • NNextremNN

        What there are statistics about those things? Were are they tracked and where can I find them?

      • Roughneck

        Can tell you as fact hes talking total BS, this is wish listing in the highest regards.
        Space Marines will never change as they are selling well as always.
        Those are rumors you see, look at what hes said in his last posts hes clueless as to whats happening, so to say hes known about it for 9 months and only now speaks again points to it being BS.
        Finally those numbers add up to more than the number of posts hes made via Disquis and run for longer than his accounts been active.
        You seem like your looking out for your friend and being a sheep on this matter when everything points to this being nonsense of the highest order.

        • Slagalica Marx Bobica

          Wow, now this is a panic attack if I ever seen one.

          • Roughneck

            Not really just I know people who know more than all of us as they work for GW just more facts point to it bein BS than true

          • Slagalica Marx Bobica

            Hastings has supplied us with valuable information for YEARS via Warseer. He and Harry are the foundation stones of rumour mill. Please do not embarrass yourself. What have you provided? Where is your count?

          • Roughneck

            Not embarrassing myself at all you are.
            I’m laughing myself silly at what you’ve written. Man crush much?
            He hasn’t had a disquis for years which is my point.
            Two he would t sit on this rumour for 9 months and now only let it out.
            Grow up a little, mark.

  • Sage

    I can get that RG could, being a living Primarch, use his knowledge of the process and genestock to allow the creation of a LOT more Space Marines since this is what happened when all of the Legions reunited with their Primarch. But improving on the Emperors design sounds far fetched.

    • Especially considering that the genetech was barely accessible to Corax *after* getting psychic guidance from his father and still took a long time to amount to anything. It also isn’t clear if any of the Primarch genetech is still around outside of what the Alpha Legion stole and Fabius subsequently lost.

      Guilliman would have to start from scratch or GW would have to come up with very stupid and contrived retcons.

  • Crevab
    • Timotheus

      It’s really not only about advancing the storyline. It’s about making fun of the past 30 years of 40k.

      • Cergorach

        Have you actually read/seen RT and the books that accompanied it? The era of bright painted miniatures? 40k has never been more serious as it is today! 40k hasn’t been RT for 20 years…

        • euansmith

          “40k has never been more serious as it is today!”

          Nor more humourless 😉

    • Hawt Dawg

      Ha ha ha… You maniacs!

  • Ivin Catania

    You know what would be interesting: The Dark Angels are joined by the Lion and he reforms the First Legion. That would be a game changer. Facing the Chaos Legion with the full might of the First!

  • Andrew

    Thunder Warriors?

  • Adolfo Castrofini

    Pariah Marine?

  • Sonic tooth

    improving the emps deisgn…..maybe he should ask fabius bile for a few pointers. serously tho, as a brets/elves/whfb fan with only an occasional interest in 40k, im just gonna sit back and enjoy the rage from the space marine fanboys who told us fantasy fans to “get over it”

    • Khelban Blackstaff

      As a Tomb Kings player, I’m going to savor and dine on the tears of 40K players everywhere. The sounds of pain and rage will infuse my soul. It won’t be the “End Times” but, “Great Times” for me.

      • NNextremNN

        I have lots of unpainted Space Marine lying around and I’m unsure what to do with them but I sill don’t cry I think this all sounds pretty interesting and great.

        • ZeeLobby

          Gosh. Really? The last thing I’d ever say sounds great is Spacemarine Spacemarines. What’s 9th going to be. Uberspacemarines?

          • NNextremNN

            Super Spacemarines II they also got flashy golden hair and a tail.

          • Sonic tooth

            all i ever read about 40k is people complaining that theres too much imperials and not enough balance. whats gw’s answer? make super spacemarines and more mega weapons for the imperials! i was in a GW shop recently (i dont live near one and its rare i get to). i was looking for elves/vampire counts minis. i felt the guy in the shop was making a serious effort to get me to buy stormcast and space marines. i mean he wouldnt shut up about stormcast.. when i said im not really into space marines and i dont like stormcast aesthetic he looked genuinely shocked and the 3 guys standing around the game table actually stopped talking and stared at me. im 38 yrs old so this was seriously f…ing weird for me! just leave me alone to buy what i want!!

          • ZeeLobby

            Lol. How DARE you not buy Space Marines!

            And yeah. I’ve had that experience as well. It is really odd. I’m in my early 30s but even in my 20s it was odd. The good news is that there are more and more alternatives out there every day. It was refreshing when I first jumped into other systems and realized that the cliqueness and general negativity was really not a universal thing. It’s quite possible GW is attempting to chase those people away, but more and more it just looks like stock-holder pleasing maneuvers. I already deal with those for every other product I buy in my life, I’d rather avoid it for my hobby.

            I’ll still wait and see what the final result of 8th edition is, but nothing they’ve done outside of General Handbook stuff ticks any boxes for me. So at this point it’s almost be a 180 from what I’d expect.

          • Sonic tooth

            im spending money on norba/mierce/gamezone/avatars of war alot lately but very little on gw miniatures. not because i have anything particularly against gw (dont mention end times) but because they are no longer making fantasy miniatures that appeal to me. i like the tzeentch stuff but not enough to buy it. i dont play/collect 40k altho i have a soft spot for the blood angels and if i did play it id collect eldar for the simple reason that they are “space elves”. i dont like the imperium vs chaos angle so why would i bother getting into such a game?

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. I got you. I’ve been looking for a ranked fantasy combat game ever since AoS dropped. I’m not a huge fan of KoW, but I have to say, Runewars from FFG is looking pretty tempting, and it has the old-school fantasy design i likewise appreciate.

          • Sz

            Ha! I’m 41, and so relate. I mentioned I don’t like the look of the Heldrake and you could have heard a pin drop in that joint. I like my tanks, my dreads, and my troops. I don’t need mechanical spiders and birds thank you.

          • Cergorach

            What? Space Marines riding taxis? Isn’t that the curent meta already, field a SM company and get free Rhino’s => aka. Uberspacemarines… 😉

      • As a Space Marines players, I will just play 30K … 😉

        • Sonic tooth

          why are you even bothering with 40k then

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Er, because he likes 40k as it is?

          • Sonic tooth

            Fair enough…..sorry.,my comment was a bit snarky

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            Everyone has an off day 🙂

          • nurglitch

            It’s the same game, basically.

  • ☕ Rich Brimson ☕

    This just sounds silly.

  • This sounds like it could be cool. I don’t know what all the anger is about.

    • Parthis

      I don’t think it’s anger as such, personally i’m disappointed that this is the route they they seem to be taking. A Primarch returning opens up so many opportunities… super soldier 3.0 just seems narratively safe and weak.

      • Raven Jax

        Yep. I would love to see RG set up his own faction or chapter of Space Marines. Maybe even overhaul the Ultramarines. Not create an entirely new army.

    • NNextremNN

      I don’t know too I’m really curious and can’t wait to see the new stuff … would also made it easier to decide what to do with the Space Marine Army that is still sleeping in it’s boxes.

      • This could be the chance to get “real” space marines like they are in the books. Multi-wound monsters.

        • NNextremNN

          Probably I read somewhere else they have truescale marines on hold for years because they didn’t want to destroy all the old collections of existing players.

        • orionburn

          Not to mention that this could really shake up the story line. RG comes back and starts a new army? Oh…that’ll sow some seeds to distrust within the Imperium. Not necessarily looking to repeat the basic story line of the Horus Heresy, but if other Primarchs begin to return (which we know they will) this could make things really interesting.

          All I know is that I’m all for it. There’s going to be things I won’t like, but for the most part I’m looking forward to it.

    • orionburn

      It’s change. People for the most part hate change despite clamoring for years to advance the story line. Once it starts happening the sky is falling, cats and dogs living together…mass hysteria…you know, that sort of thing.

      • ZeeLobby

        Lol. Great quote. I’d go as far to say it’s dumb change though. What prevented them from advancing the stories with the existing galaxy make up. Oh, that’s right, they didn’t have bigger ultra-marines to sell. Lol

        • orionburn

          I guess it doesn’t bother me if they want to come up with more SM stuff. It’s their bread & butter so I get it. Believe me I’m sick of always facing Marines or Chaos at my FLGS. A few guys play other armies as well but 90% of the time I’m stuck playing against those two.

          While it’s mere speculation on my part I really think we’re going to see a 3 or 4 part storyline involving the Xenos races. One book dedicated to Tau, one to Orks, one to Necrons, and God willing one for Nids. Problem is with all the speculation on 8th and if the world of codices is going to get blown up. A simple campaign book ain’t gonna fix the Nids.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah. In this new imperial vs chaos universe I doubt many Xenos races will get all that much love. They haven’t been selling well anyway (mostly through neglect). Just dunno if I’m ready for this stock-holder pleasing rollercoaster, haha.

        • Christopher Witecki

          Yeah. Somehow they never realize that they can increase the value of work already done by making stuff awesome again. 40k declining? Fix it? No! No one is ever interested in 40k again. New marines I tell you, its the only way!

    • It could be cool, or it could be a disaster. The mention of Sigmarines as a model, which a lot of people despise, doesn’t make me feel optimistic. Changing the core of your business has been done before, but the results aren’t always great.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

  • TheWanderingJewels

    So the Astartes get a Custodes Class Upgrade. Was wondering when that would happen

  • helter266

    Custodes?

  • Timotheus

    In the Emperors name: PLEASE NOT!

    If this is true, 40k AoS really is upon us and what is left of Warhammer really has lost me. This stuff gets more and more pathetic. NEW Space Marines….seriously??….for when 2m tall, biologically enhanced and religiously indoctrinated fighting machines equipped with the best Imperium have to offer simply don’t cut it?? Most of the rumours around the advancing of 40k storyline prooved to be true and if this does as well, it’s just sad and ridiculous. It always has to be something new, bigger, shinier for most of the people it seems…..which leaves people like me who are interested in a coherent and plausible setting fall by the wayside

    “After all, what’s more exciting than Space Marines? NEW SUPERIOR different looking Space Marines!”

    NO BoLS, just NO.

    • NNextremNN

      BoLS only reports they don’t do those things.

      And people are asking for truescale marines for a long time. This is just a way to get them into the game without destroying all the old space marine armies.

      • Timotheus

        They said it’s exciting and I disagreed.

        Yeah I am one of these people. But that’s a blunt and stupid way to do so. Why not keep on to slowly and slightly add size and mass to regular marines like they did now with the new Deathwatch Veterans? Aah I see, no new unit or army means no new forced sales…..my mistake.

        I’m almost thrilled to know how they will look like. I mean people complain about too much bling on current marines, so what are these new marines going to look like, a christmas tree? 😀 Well, maybe I should just take a look at the new Guilliman model…. :/

        • NNextremNN

          Well models finally start to match the art. And no one said anything is going to be obsolete and I agree with BolS it is exciting.

          • Nameless

            so even smaller heads and even more barrel chest and giant pauldrons?

          • NNextremNN

            yes probably. What else puts them apart from guard or tau?

          • Nameless

            a year on year release scheduled?

        • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

          Should just make IG models slowly smaller. Problem solved.

          • Nameless

            http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73fee3af8f7a546e423ea5913539faf1b4b62d9f8859f580b051c23434d230b8.jpg

            so I have too much free time, and decided to see how the heights of various toy soldiers compare. (bottom row shows actual models, all heights where measured in pixels to the eye, and each model re-positioned to have feet level with the guardsman)

            from measurements
            Guardsman – average male 1770mm or ~5’10”

            Scion – 1812mm or ~5’11”

            Marine – 1940mm or ~6’5″

            Terminator – 2074mm or ~6’10”

            Centurion – 2860mm or 9’5″

            The top row shows scaled up Marine and Terminator, if the Marine was 7′ in height and the Terminator was in the same proportions with the marine.

            the Marine is 9.98% larger
            the Terminator is 10.19% larger

          • Timotheus

            I love when people take sh*** serious (for real). Thanks for this insight. Proves again that marines need to get bigger like we already suggested. So please GW get existing marines right before you do the next (unnecessary) step. I would even buy them with money. Oh yes.

  • Hussein Alobaidi

    How bizarre, Space marines who are frequently updated, codex/supplements and models….made obsolete and then even newer shinier models/rules etc are made to replace them in a sense. Older/less updated armies (eg: Orks Tyranids) who are hurting for some love….are still ignored. Wut ?

    To make 40k thrive, you must maintain a diverse multifaceted universe, not just push one facet overly in your face.

    Really hope this guy has the wrong idea about what he was been told.

    • NNextremNN

      Well 30K is pretty happy with Marines vs Marines (I know there are others).

      But I agree in parts I’m always for more this includes each faction.

      • Hussein Alobaidi

        Yeah, more is great, progressing story is great, but please do it in an evenly fashion lol

  • Crablezworth

    Bleach for breakfast it is

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Whilst you’ve got it handy can you rinse out my brain?

  • ZeeLobby

    Well this makes sense. They it’s like the new Titan game being a different scale to force sales. Now space marines will be bigger. Who wants the older smaller marines? I guess humans are out too, lol. It’s now a galaxy of space marines led by space marines. And those better space marines are Ultramarines. Oh Matt Ward…

    • Timotheus

      I feel like the lack of common humans in the current meta takes away the size from the regular marines…..so let’s make new bigger marines!! :$

      • ZeeLobby

        Man. Could not agree more with that sarcasm. Looks like 40K is joining AoS in high fantasy.

  • To me it reads. in 8th edition they want every one to start a new, new marines army. It will take GW waking up the lion and releasing Luthor from the dungeon to get me interested. I can’t get excited about more marines unless things have changed more and there are more sides. And to make that interesting I’d like to see the non IoM factions kicked up in power on the table top not just in the fluff.
    Make the green skins grate again! and make the Tau pay for it!

    • NNextremNN

      Well Orks believe their stuff works and it magically does maybe you should try that too. If this doesn’t work believe harder or Waaagh and no complaining on the internet does not count as Waaagh

      • Or I could just quit, that’s a thing. Maybe I should just sell my army. I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately.

        • NNextremNN

          Good idea better do it now. If 8th edition is as bad as many people think they will only loose value.

          • I’m already a few years late, I should have done that at the end of 4th edition. There’s no way to get anything close to what I spent on my Orks. I own too much.
            I started thinking I could just downsize my collection and maybe be happy with how ever much that brings in.

          • NNextremNN

            Well you didn’t bought them as a kind of investment to earn money and I suspect you used them to play so of course they lost value. Also the buyer might not like your color scheme which mean more work for him and if he wanted to pay the full price he could buy new.

          • I know what your saying. But the prospective buyer would either buy what I’m selling or not. It’s more a question of do I sell units and see how that goes or sell 2 or 3 thousand points for a price I’m not super happy with just to attempt to make a sale. Buying a painted army for just over the price it costs new is also paying for the convenience of table ready, if not paying for a nice paint job.( Clearly we all attempted to pay less, I know I would. So I can’t be mad anyone else for trying to do that.) As far as a loss of value goes though, I don’t blame the modes but the rules. I guess the safest bet would be to decide what to keep and sell the rest. And just see what happens.

        • davepak

          Mine have sat on the shelf for a while.

          What they did to my tau (too op) and my necrons (too op) and my tyranids (still suck) is like wtf? Can we just have some decent solid armies? (well, the new marine book is pretty solid – take out grav weapons at least).

          I will keep my 40k stuff for a while in hope of better editions (and all the sunk time in their crafting). There are a lot of other great games out there – try some of those for a while until 40k gets better (hopefully).

          • I think I agree. I’m just starting AoS and The Warhammer Quest games too. I love Orks and enjoy them depending on what’s on the other side of the table. I just have no motivation to play 40K at all.
            Maybe next edition will get me excited. Who knows.
            I should still down size my collection a bit.

  • Jim Morr

    Stormcast eternals, welcome to 40k.

  • Painjunky

    What about orks, nids and DE???

    New super muhreens sounds so friggin stupid dumb i want to cry.

  • cudgel

    because space marines weren’t powerful enough…

  • Byor

    Maybe is the Codex Adeptus Custodes, avaliable right now in the black library.

    So, more marines, how fun.

  • Nogle

    Thunder warrior project Mark II?

  • X078

    Maybe something like the Dornian Heresy True Scale Damocles armour incoming… 🙂

  • Lion El’ Jonson

    ….Guys….I’m actually scared now…Hold me.

  • ZeeLobby

    It is quite funny how end times this “not end times” end times is. Sigmarines incoming to 40K.

    • mgdavey

      Why are people so in denial about it being End Times?

    • Christopher Witecki

      They even released a statement saying “it’s not the end times!” They really just mean “The galaxy doesn’t blow up”. The end point of a radically different setting that no one who time traveled from 3rd edition would ever recognize, that’s still happening.

  • Anasa

    So if Space Marines were supposed to be the Imperium’s finest, and Grey Knights the best of the best, what should these nu-marines be called?

    • TheWanderingJewels

      Thunder Warriors to honor the first Uniters of Humanity

      • Nameless

        nah not copyright-able enough. instead they will be Adpetus Thundium Warrius because everyone knows adding the suffix -us makes it into real Latin

        • TheWanderingJewels

          “Tonitrui Magni Bello” is the translation I’ve found for that. hmmm

          • Nameless

            I’m not sure, that looks like you put the time to open google – you (the hypothetical Games Workshop employee) doesn’t have time for that, you must be spending every second trying to make the “good guys” even more powerful

          • TheWanderingJewels

            I’d actually have to go look at my latin texts (I studied it university) for something better. Than and with the new edition coming, I’ll be curious what they do. since they are trying to simplfy things a bit

  • georgelabour

    Okay without getting all knee jerky about this I can see how it might work.

    A new founding using all the stored geneseed. It’ll be a quick way to get tons of new marines out there. But it’ll decimate the Imperium’s geneseed stock which could cripple it for thousands of years.

    OR, Guilliman revives the Thunder Warrior project and cranks out shorter lived but possibly more powerful marine-equivalents.

    basically the non-kaminoan clone troopers, or Sparan III & IVs of the setting

  • Angus Murphy

    sounds like your going to get chapters of custodies

    • Angus Murphy

      or legions

  • Karru

    What do I think the “new” Space Marines will look like? Considering the skill that GW currently has, they will most likely look like Sigmarines but with backpacks and more “sci-fi” looking stuff.

    • William Jameson

      Either that or Custodes-like

      • Karru

        I highly doubt it that they would do that. HH already has their Custodes range, so I doubt that GW would just copy/paste that. Their idea of “new” models usually involves recycling their top dog in some way. In AoS it was Sigmarines, so the chances are that GW will just take their look. Add more cables, a backpack, clips and trims and you have a “new” Space Marine.

        • William Jameson

          Sorry, meant Custodes-like in terms of scale and detail/filigree not that they would just be Custodes. My apologies for not being clear on that. 🙂

          • Karru

            Oh that they will be. They will be larger and more “detailed” than your regular Marines, gives them better excuse to sell them in smaller numbers but with the price at least twice the normal dude.

          • Hrudian

            I have a feeling they will look like a mix of (smaller) Guilliman and the new Thousand Sons. The “new GW” look is all about ornamental details and it would give the supermarines a more “elite” angelic look.

            You read it here first 😉

  • SilentPony

    Called it

  • Commissar Molotov

    I am gonna save SO MUCH MONEY!

  • Zedatkins Zed

    This might seem stupid but if you compare current SMs ro Sigmarines there is a scale difference. And although I aint a Stormcast fan – they are fun to paint (even more fun than SMs) so purely from this point of view I would not be surprised is new Marines happened. In general GW seems to be enlarging its models and I’ve long lamented the scale of SMs so as a hobbyist I’m up for this.

    • Karru

      The only issue here is repetitiveness. If you have been following the latest trend of GW, the basic idea is to make as many large models as possible so they can extort more money out of people. The issue here is that it forces most armies to be small elite armies with little to no difference in terms of style. This is something that I do not enjoy.

  • Crablezworth

    space marine, space marines

  • hokiecow

    So are these three sigmarines and starter set Hastings spoke of ?

  • Defenestratus

    The best thing that could happen to 40k is the removal of the space marine.

    I say this as a owner of two space marine armies (that I never play with)

    • Karru

      I wouldn’t go that far. The best thing that could happen to 40k would be the complete and utter removal of the current design team and then getting a new one. The current one is extremely biased and unprofessional, this needs to change. If they actually knew what they were doing, we would see an excellent spread of great rule releases across all factions and not just few amazing for some and garbage for others.

      • davepak

        ^ this.
        Many people say “it will never be 100% balanced…”
        Which is irrelevant. it does not need to be perfect…there is a tremendous amount of room between what we have now and perfect. I would be happy with “good”.
        I hate having to gimp my own lists so I don’t play with OP crap….at least I still have my tryanids….

  • thebob2882

    I for one welcome our new Superior Marine overlords. Maybe they’ll even finally add in some female marines.

    • TheWanderingJewels

      Those are called Sisters of Battle

    • Slagalica Marx Bobica

      Agreed with @TheWanderingJewels:disqus.

    • Christopher Witecki

      Always find this one funny. How would female space marines be any different from Sisters? If enhanced they’ll look no different from the males and you can already model them. If they are all thin and sexy, well we already have super models in power armor with bolters, they just need plastics.

    • Iconoc1ast

      No. No fem-marines.
      SOB is grand but we must not go to fem-marines.

  • Raven Jax

    IF this is a way to give more upgrades for Marines, introduce Mark 9 armor, and create tension within the Imperium, I’m all for it.

    IF this is a way to introduce a Stormcast-like faction into the game with Matt Ward’s Drago-level power levels, then I’ll probably stick to 7th Ed.

  • BloodAngel

    Plastic sisters

  • Drew_Da_Destroya

    This sounds like the dumbest idea ever.

  • Urban Bungledorph

    Fluff wise I’m really not into the idea of a new space marine. The Raven Guard tried that during the heresy, and technology has regressed since then, does RG think he’s better than The Emperor now?

  • Deathwing

    Better space marines… you mean custodes? Because that’s what custodes are. 10,000 years is a long time to build your numbers back up after what happened in HH book 41.

  • FrozenTech

    I’m just gonna guess that ‘Super Space Marines’ means Custodes. Since thats effectively what they are – and they don’t ‘exist’ as a fully fleshed out 40k army (Yet)

  • iguana1981

    So custodes?

  • Adam Wright

    So just to clarify, by making super space marines that are even better than normal ones and with no drawbacks, Guilliman surpasses the Emperor. This is how you kill 40k. No one can surpass the Emperor, and he failed, thus creating 40k land.

    • FrozenTech

      They’re called Custodes. And they were created by the Emperor.

  • AnomanderRake

    So we need yet another Space Marine army (on top of six standalone Codexes with eight supplements between them, a slightly out of date Forge World list, and the 30k Legions list with its eighteen supplement-scale variations) more than…let’s see…new Guardian models, new vehicles for everyone (instead of re-releasing the same twenty-year-old Rhino kit with new box art every week), plastic Aspect Warriors, new Orks, the Black Reach Deffkoptas as a standalone kit, new Necron Warriors, the Imperial Guard, Kroot, a Daemon range with more plastics than just the Lesser Daemons, the Battle Sisters, or anything to do with the Inquisition?

  • Andreas Noche

    And I declare they shall be named: Guilimarites!

    • Andreas Noche

      Just kidding.However I bet it will be Thunder Warriors. Comperative cheap to make, can be made from adults, stronger than your normal SM and won´t turn because they die after a few centuries. And I bet our Primarch would just be able to recreate them, instead of purging the flaws of SM gene seed (which might be beyond him, see Corax)

      • Andreas Noche

        I mean, if only we had a few million veterans with a burning hate for chaos (looks at Krieg, Tallarn, Vostroya and Cadia)…well, if only…

  • 301stFeinminsterArmoured

    I doubt this will go anywhere. Of course, I doubted the the rumours about AoS, so I might be wrong again.

  • Emprah

    New superior blingy space marines? I’m betting on a full Custodes army. They are easy to be seen as simply new space marines.

  • kellykuciemba

    Like a guy in a leather jacket….on a motorcycle….jumping over a shark!

    • frank

      I was just thinking reminds me of New Coke.

  • Sonic tooth

    I wonder will the super spacemarines each contain one of the rumored “shards of the emperor”

  • MrLodgik

    I will begin just by saying this. Im sure that this “update” from what was said in the comments about the source. Won’t come for many months so there are plenty of time for other factions to get updated with new stuff. The imperium needs bad guys and GW im pretty sure knows this so don’t panick.

    Since RG came out and this guy knew about the new marine he probably chimed in to tell us about the new stuff thats coming for them because let’s face it, they are the main faction.

    What sucks is that this is not end times 40k, this is putting something TOTALLY unnessary and completely ignoring the fluff to make shinny new Uber marine. As if marine where stale … HAVE YOU SEEN 30k !!! Jesus GW you where doing it right ! getting people exited. Giving value boxed set out for people. Reviving Primarchs. GETTING PLASTIC COSTODES ! I would have totally bought triumvirate of the orks if that was a thing.

    But replacing marine with MARINE !? what ?! srsly don’t do that pls don’t do that. Bring out the MK9 with 30k vehicule. Bring out HRUD factions bring merc or whatever.

  • Private Skittles

    I think Cypher in a “greater good” twist is going to make the Golden Throne explode, the emperor’s soul will be “Shattered”, the astronomicon will fail, and there will be a big primarch-led crusade to collect his parts and restore him.

    The imperium will be fragmented due to the loss of the astronomicon, so the imperium’s factions will need their heros back to survive (primarchs, etc.) allowing for models + campaigns other than Guilliman’s.

    Guilliman will campaign from Terra slowly without warp travel assistance with a new uber “get my daddy back” marine task force – meeting friends, brothers, and enemies along the way mirroring the Emperor’s first crusade after the unification wars.

    • Karru

      But it has been confirmed already that Emperor isn’t needed for the Astronomican. Emperor dying won’t mean that it goes out.

      • Private Skittles

        Well butter my biscuit. Suppose Cypher plugs the astronomicon’s exhaust pipe with the Lion’s Spud? The same Spud from the lion’s personal garden, that Cypher has been carrying in his back pocket since the Horus Heresy?

  • nope none

    Plastic Sisters

  • nope none

    Plastic Sisters
    Rebuild the Orks dex
    Plastic Eldar and dark eldar units
    Plastic Tau HQs
    Consolidated and expanded admech
    Tau Battle brother force
    Rebuild the DE dex
    Rebuild the Guard dex
    Demon primarchs
    Loyalist primarchs
    Nurgle demonkin
    Slannesh demonkin
    Rebuild GK
    plastic necron HQ’s

    Anything else that should happen before we get fething Marines 2.0?

    • TheWanderingJewels

      Tyranids Rebuild and given them back their teeth . Combine the Gene Cults and Tryanid together (should have been one Dex really). Do not let Ward of Cruddace near it this time

      • nope none

        Can’t believe I left Nids out. Sorry bout that. They really shouldn’t be an afterthought.

        • TheWanderingJewels

          It happens. We’ve been third tier for some time

  • silashand

    Meh, I like where the Gathering Storm storyline is progressing so far and if bringing the Marines into one umbrella is how to save the Imperium then so be it. The existing loyal chapters will likely follow Guilliman anyway so they aren’t lost. He was the one who suggested splitting up the legions, but if legions are now what is needed again then I can live with it.

    Personally the rumour sounds very much like either Custodes or upgraded/re-armed Marines using technology that is newer/better/whatever. I love that the Imperium is finally getting jetbikes and grav tanks now with the Custodes. IYAM, mass produce that stuff and ditch the clanky tanks at least for Marines anyway. Or give them to the Guard to use :-). Either way I think 8th will be a positive step in the right direction for the game. But then I have been disappointed before (8th edition WFB, AoS, etc.) so who knows. If nothing else they do need to refresh their ranges. A company can’t just keep rehashing the same old products and expect to remain healthy forever. Again, JMO…

  • LordCastellan Vas

    if this provides an excuse to finally fix the weird proportions of the standard Space Marine model and scale them up a bit to a proper Space Marine size, I’m all for it. Space Marines look so much more badass in the art than they look on the tabletop.

    • Aura1

      They do, but then they’ll need to truescale everything else. Those Custodians will need a re-release for starters…

      • LordCastellan Vas

        Well, eventually, but not all at once. What they would have to rescale simultaneously with Space Marines, however, would be the chaos space marines. I would imagine we will see the first of a new and larger space marine in a Imperial Versus Chaos boxed set which will likely accompany the release of 8th edition. Let’s hope they start with Abbadon.

        • Aura1

          Even as a non CSM player – that would please me immensely. I’ve always disliked the (height) squatting of these. Like most people here, I’m not remotely against upscaling the marines, or even new armour marks/tech – it’s just the rushed lore idea of Custodes dominating ubermarines being built on Mars for 10,000 years with nobody knowing. Especially since Roboute Guilliman was always pushing for his fellow Astartes to prepare for peace – and expand away from purely warmaking – that he’d have been planning for a fresh crusade with mega marines is daft. He purposely broke the Astartes up and made the Army into the primary military arms of the Imperium. But now we’re supposed to believe that he was totally different… (then again, years of writers making Magnus into a complex tortured character got thrown under the bus by RotP’s moustache twirling Magnus more or less saying, ‘Next time, Roboute! Next time! You’ll never take me aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivveeeee!!!!! Muhahahahaha!’

          • LordCastellan Vas

            Ah well, tbh I haven’t really been keeping up with the fluff changes. I don’t really like this new heroic-fiction style of 40k, so I don’t really bother ready the stories. But I hear where you’re coming from.

  • Shawn

    This doesn’t sound like a great idea, although my wallet is saying it is, so I don’t spend any money on new marine stuff.

  • euansmith

    This would be a great time to start making tru-scale Marines; around the size of Stormcast, maybe a bit bulkier.

  • Jonas Skinner

    I think true scale marines would be interesting.

  • Ravingbantha

    Sounds likes the Custodes to me

  • Tothe

    Grey Knights Mk. II

  • Earl Tower

    Well I’m not much of a marine player, except for Grey Knights and some Chaos. The Gathering Storm gave me a lot of options with all 3 books for my Imperium & Eldar armies so I’m happy.

  • KingThrogg

    NEW CHAOS CORE CODEX PLEASE.

  • Denoobie

    It would be cool if the “new marines” were actually custodes, stripped of their prissy gold armor, outifitted in some new tacticool XXL mk 8+, given some state of the art heavy weapons….and ordered by RG to get off their emo arses and contribute something for a change. Otherwise, ugh.

  • Aura1

    Love how all the Horus Heresy writers just got the memo that Cawl needs to conveniently bump into RG, plan a resurrection machine and start building a top secret army of new ‘now with kung fu action’ ubermarines on Mars, y’know… just in case…

  • davepak

    I think the new events are cool as the timeline could use some shake up. However, more models and armies? how many do we have now? GW, please, stop trying to sell more products to the same customers – please work on getting new ones. A better quality game with good models and fluff, combined with lowering the cost of entry will do a lot more in the long run.
    Sincerely – someone who already has four armies….

  • jab725

    http://imgur.com/1H79IiE
    aparrently a photo of one of them

  • Ginsu33

    GW learned from the popularity of people collecting Marines wearing Mk II, IV etc, and figured a new set of Marines in different armour will be successful. I think that’s straight forward.

    I hope for new Marines, new kind of Imperial Guard/Army, better tech.

  • Bastet

    I think they should’ve just gone and splintered the Imperium into little feudal empires. It’s a logical evolution of the current approach where every time they try and push a Chapter into the spotlight it gets more toys that it’s refusing to share with anyone else.

    These new factions would not be pure Space Marine because without the Imperium’s infrastructure they’d be more dependent upon local forces.

    So we could for example get the Medusian Alliance that’s a Mechanicus and Iron Hands partnership which would be different to Ultramar with its Imperial Guard regiments to support the Ultramarines. Then the Black Templars and Order of Our Martyred Lady could form the basis of a new crusade faction etc.

    In a lot of cases the kind of thing you can do with allies now but as its own list designed to make it work.

  • David Vance

    I think your big clue in all of this is Hastings’ “like AOS” comment. I would take that and stretch it out to full extremes:
    • Custodes get the Codex Astartes treatment and are shattered into smaller “chapters”
    • Like Stormcasts, you just have Marines 2.0. Expect different paint schemes, but no meaningful difference between forces.
    • Expect larger models. Again, Custodes as the template, but also look behind the game to the business, lawsuits in the past, and a strong desire to not have secondary market manufacturers provide bits.

    I really would expect Marines 2.0 to mimic Stormcast Eternals in all ways.