40K: Breaking – New Teaser Trailer – The Indomitus Crusade!

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In a new teaser trailer, GW has shown us what Guilliman has been up to, aided by Cawl. The Indomitus Crusade begins…

There’s a new teaser trailer out from Warhammer TV, narrated by the man himself Roboute Guilliman.

In it, deep within a dark and mysterious chamber, everyone’s favorite Primarch and Archmagos hang out, looking out over a row of tanks, while Guilliman talks about how for the longest time, the Empire has merely subsisted. Clinging to the past without really comprehending…

Huh. Wonder what’s in those tanks? And what those two are up to? If only someone would show us what’s on the screen…

Hey waitaminute that looks a little bit like a Vitruvian Man. Only in space marine armor…

Anyway. You probably can guess what’s coming at this point. Especially since Guilliman’s narration out and out talks about how they’ve been breeding a new class of warriors, who are capable of doing more than their brethren were capable of. Drawn from the lore of the past–so presumably whatever Cawl has been up to/researching will pay off here as well, if Guilliman is bringing new marines to the table.

Which, judging from how things have been going in the galaxy–maybe some new blood (literally) is just what the Imperium needs to tip the tide of war. At any rate, with all the talk of new weapons, Guilliman goes on to announce that a new campaign is beginning… the Indomitus Crusade is coming, bringing war once more (well, really, still–it never really stopped) to the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennia.

So just what have Guilliman and Cawl got planned? Obviously they’re making new warriors that are built on the legacy of what’s come before. And those look like gene tanks of some kind–which scans with all the rumors of new marines floating around out there. But whose idea was this? Was this Cawl’s influence? Guilliman’s initiative? Some kind of psychic suggestion implanted by the Emperor, now that one of the Primarchs is back and he has a fresh supply of Primarch Juice just walking around being awesome?

I mean he says these guys are the “Truest Heirs to the Primarch’s Legacy…” so I’m betting that means it’s something to do with Guilliman’s magical guts? And over on Warhammer Community, they say this is a plan “10,000 years in the making.” Does that mean it’s not a new plan? If not, what’s changed?

Time alone will tell.

What do you think is in those tanks? How will these new warriors differ from what’s out there? Will they outshine Space Marines?

  • Farseerer

    Before this comment section gets carried away crying foul that their current collection of Space Marines are now, or soon to be obsolete, know that they have confirmed on their Facebook page that all current models will remain in the game.

    It’s better to think of these Truescale Marines as Custodes/Space Marine hybrids. They’re a completely new faction, it would make no sense for them to replace all the Astartes in the galaxy.

    That or to steal a comment from the FB page: It looks like the Imperium has finally figured out how to clone Sly Marbo.

    • Farseerer

      GW are also just about to release a new power armoured faction in ‘’heroic scale’’ ( Death Guard models that in my opinion, look absolutely amazing ) alongside the truescale faction. Go ahead and speculate at what might be happening in the long term for models in that scale. Just remember that at this point it’s speculation and nothing more.

      • Xodis

        So Space Marines will get bigger, but CSM will stay tiny? Just seems odd, I expect another fluffy reason to beef them up like Chaos Energies, Abaddon/Fabius taking over a clone plant, etc…

        • Farseerer

          Well the DG are Chaos Astartes and are the same size as the regular marines they started out as (+ bloat) The new Marines are a different thing.

          The grainy pics of the starter box look like Fat marines vs. Tall Marines

          • Xodis

            Hmm, I assume Chaos will respond to this new threat by beefing up their soldiers with more Chaos Energies, but maybe they are just superior (which is why they are winning) already and now Loyalists are meeting the new challenge…regardless that the rules have never been that way lol.

          • Spacefrisian

            New Fabius story line incomming, an mr Rakhat will make Dark Eldar astartes while all are busy trying out Space space marines.

          • euansmith

            The Dark Eldar are going to copy the Centurion Armour idea from the humans, by putting a Kabalite Warrior inside a Space Marine.

        • euansmith

          “Deep with the fires of Chaos they have steeped for millennia… Now witness the awesome might of the Uberchaos Marines! Bigger! Badder! Bloodier than before!”

          • Emprah

            Khorne flakes with now 500% more steroids!

          • euansmith

            Khorne Fakes 😉

        • Itrogash

          Don’t CSMs already have Possessed and other beefed up SM guys? I’d say now that Order has beefed Space Marines the odds are evened out at last.

          • Xodis

            I would be totally down with that, if Possessed became worth using. I have 4 complete squads that never get played because CSM randomness is garbage.

    • Josh Felstead

      Sly Marbo cannot be cloned by anyone or anything. Rather, it is Sly Marbo who clones the Imperium and only seems to exist in more than one form due to the multiple Imperiums he has created.

    • Phillip Bloodgod

      Either that or they probably are Thunderwarriors MK2?

      Thunderwarriors were larger, stronger and more badass than normal Marines and created QUICKLY.
      Makes sense lorewise, modelwise and I dunnowhat wise

  • Horus84cmd

    Hmmm. Not entirely sure how I feel about the idea of a new breed of SM – I hope they are not simply big marines. I’m holding judgement until we find out what they are and what the models look like.

    • Farseerer

      The grainy pics of them look cool in my opinion.

        • Farseerer

          Thats the pic I was thinking of. Did you ever finish that Phantom Titan? I miss that thread on Warseer with your craftworld WIPs on it.

          • The thread is still there, I am just not allowed to write to it – or to Warseer in general 😉
            You can visit my gallery if you’re interested ( https://www.game-coding.de/minis ), but no, the Phantom is still waiting for the base to get finished.

            PS: Nice to see ppl remember me and my Phantom 😛

          • Farseerer

            Thanks !

          • You’re welcome, fellow-Farseer(er)

          • James

            The models in those pictures have round bases, although GW has confirmed they’re bringing square bases into 40k.

          • COsteve

            That was an April Fools joke.

        • SilentPony

          Wasn’t that photo confirmed photoshoped?

          • No? It was publicly published on GW’s own 40k website. And the anniversary White Dwarf model is having the same new type of armour.

        • euansmith

          I’m tickled by the idea that an ‘eavy Metal Studio Artist might need the painting guide to remember how to paint an Ultramarine.;)

          I thought it was nice to see in the video that one of the new Ubermarines appeared to be in Space Wolf livery.

          It looks like Guilliman is going to be dispatching his new toys to all of the chapters, so these minis should be pretty generic.

    • We already know how they look like.
      http://imgur.com/a/6fTc6

    • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

      Personally I think its a terrible idea.

  • Graham Roden

    Super thunder warriors.

    • euansmith

      Thun-DARRR War-RIOOOOOOORS!

  • Xodis

    Biggest question is if old accessories need to get enlarged as well, Should Pads, Weapons, arms, etc…. or is the Torso and legs just enlarged.

    • euansmith

      We won’t know until we see them in the plastic; but the single photo doing the rounds does seem to show that a lot of the additional height is in new Marine’s legs.

      Of course, this could be a move by GW to invalidate 3rd Party bits by making the shoulders larger 😉

  • GnomesForge
  • thereturnofsuppuppers

    I hope they use this chance to create female marines!

    • memitchell

      Why? Seriously, why?

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        because it would be cool?

        • memitchell

          Would male Sisters of Battle be cool? Male Sisters of Silence? Female Orks? Ogrynettes?

          Just not feeling it.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            It would create more diverse and interesting models and character opportunities, as well as appeal to a broader range of players.

            think Zaryra or Fara from Overwatch but a bit bulkier and warhammery.

            Would dogs with no ears look cool? I don’t get your point on the ork bit, I’m talking about female spacemarines.

          • David Leimbach

            Women out there not playing 40k – it’s not the lack of female marines that’s keeping them away. Most women simply don’t like wargames.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Sure, but there is a minority of women who do enjoy it.

            Though the market is small, there is a market.

            There is also a large trans wargaming playerbase that would enjoy seeing them.

          • David Leimbach

            All three of them. Hooray.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            We have 3 trans players and 2 women in our local group of 30, its not large, but its more than the amount of people who play harlequins.

            Edit: this doesn’t account for women who paint more than play, which is fairly sizable.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            True, I know a lot more women who paint than who play.

            Thats not the only reason to have female models, it just makes the game more interesting. Lots of guys like to collect female models too.

            I think GWs recent steps towards diversity are good too, hell its the 21st century.

          • Xodis

            How does having female Space Marines make the game more interesting? Im honestly curious to this.
            Space Marines, regardless of gender, are not that interesting. Secondly, would you want Fem-Marines to actually look female? There are so many reasons that is a silly idea from a fluff POV, that it ONLY makes sense to try and defend it through some idea of equality.
            Also, Sisters alone probably makes GW more diverse than any real army and most games today, and thats not counting the Xenos that are already “diverse”.

            Female IG is where they should focus so they dont have to mess up the fluff any more than they already are just for Truescale.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I don’t think female space marines is a good idea, but Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence plus female IG and Tau could all be supported better. Id love to see female comissar and IG officer models from GW.

          • Xodis

            That we agree on.

          • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

            Personally I would not want to see this, it would essentially involve retconning core established lore, even the Emperor himself with his genetic knowledge could not make the space marine process work with female anatomy. Female IG would make more sense imo. In addition, I think many people play 40k for its established setting and an escape, the last thing I want is to see are current day social issues such as diversity and political correctness being brought in.

          • Shawn

            This is the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, not a rally on diversity.

          • twincast

            Female orks? Yes, absolutely. (And female ogryns plainly have to exist in the setting.)

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I would certainly like to see female Ogryns, and female IG in general. Not sure about orks, they just explode into spores when they die so gender doesn’t make much sense, they are asexual.

          • twincast

            They didn’t use to be. And even within the established canon: If they’re roughly humanoid sentient fungi, then there’s actually zero explanation needed for morphological variance including female-looking and -sounding greenies. Don’t make any less sense than male ones.

          • Knight_of_Infinite_Resignation

            I don’t think current Orks need changing, the asexual thing in the fluff is quite interesting and they should make more of that, perhaps switch to gender neutral pronouns for Orks.

          • Drpx

            They had female orks once upon a time, then GW decided to make them a fungus.

          • twincast

            I know. And it forever irks me.

          • euansmith

            I’ve lost track of Orkish biology, but I’m pretty sure, last time I checked, the Green “Dudes” reproduce asexually.

          • Carey_Mahoney

            In 2nd edition fluff they reproduced sexually. It was retconned later that they reproduce through spores.

          • euansmith

            I rather like the Spores idea. It makes them different to the other races, and gives rise to the idea that, once a planet has been invaded by Orkz, you’ll never be able to completely get rid of them 🙂

          • Carey_Mahoney

            Not that different from Tyranids…

          • bobrunnicles

            With their fake beards lol – love that female Maneater figure 🙂

          • Heinz Fiction

            Female Ogryns would be damn cool!

          • georgelabour

            Ogrynettes would indeed be cool. Especially with chainsaw bladed pom-poms.

    • Xodis

      Im going to put that on the list of never going to happen. Despite there being a very similar army of all females to match the all male army, it has already pretty much been squashed in the fluff as to why it can’t happen.
      I mean Guilliman is already committing Heresy and figured out how to perfect the Emperors works in the days (maybe weeks?) he has been back, so I guess discovering how to make Space Marines with female parts isn’t that far of a stretch. The question is why would he do it? Space Marines are less of a “man” and more of a golem anyways, so why would they make golems with female parts?

      • thereturnofsuppuppers

        Why not make a golem with female parts, its not like they work anyway?

        In many ways the female body is tougher and more hardy than a male one.

        • Xodis

          I mean, the complete dominance of Trans males competing in female sports disproves that, but back on point…..
          Why have those parts anyways? The parts dont work, like you said, so why add them, or even keep them? Say he can turn females into space marines….why not remove the female parts (like enlarged breasts) that dont matter anyways? At this point we would need custom power armor just to give them…and the Imperium has bigger concerns on their hands.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Women tend to live longer, survive worse injuries and generally are more resistant to paint.

            men in general are stronger.

            Both can shoot a gun pretty well.

            Aren’t we already getting custom power armour for the new big marines?

            So why not make both. If GW are happy to just make stuff up to make slightly bigger spacemarines, its not a stretch to make female ones.

            Edit: pain… but im keeping it as paint

          • What’s the ratio of females in actual real world armies?

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Whats the ratio of Werewolves?

          • Xodis

            Thats a fallacy and doesn’t really help defend your case.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Isn’t yours a fallacy then, as we are not talking about real world armies here.

          • Xodis

            No because I didnt ask the question.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            It is quite possible to use a fallacious argument without asking a question.

          • Xodis

            Than what would my fallacious argument be then?

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            the fallacy fallacy

          • Xodis

            Its not the fallacy fallacy though, because there is a point to his question based on realism, when you were trying to use realism yourself to defend your ideas of females being tougher than males.

          • Xodis

            The highest being in Israel, but its still pretty low across the board.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Yeah! So if you want to have a more real world army, you could go Pretty much all male.

            Having the option of female marines would make more varied an interesting armies.

          • Xodis

            Except that there is already an all female army that probably moves the numbers in GWs favor of equality.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Ok, but is there a mixed ‘human’ (space marines aren’t really human, but pretty close) army?

          • Xodis

            Imperial Guard, Sisters have males allied to them, Knights could be, etc…. everyone that is not a space marine CAN be female.

          • Drpx

            Israel is basically every Imperium World you read about in the fluff that’s surrounded on all sides by Nids and Orks. There’s nowhere to run if they lose a war and if they’re conquered, the neighbors will not be kind to anyone, male or female.

          • Xodis

            Fair analogy.

          • Drpx

            When someone starts employing large numbers of females in their armed forces outside support roles it usually means their side is getting trashed and they’re desperate.

            Given the current state of the Imperium, it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to assume they were in the same situation, especially if Guilliman figured out a way to mass-produce space marines from ordinary people.

          • euansmith

            Where they are allowed to join the military, it can be pretty high. It is a job offering decent pay and a path out of poverty.

            Total number of women serving in the US military
            214,098
            14.6 %

            Army
            76,694
            13.6 %

            Marine Corps
            13,677
            6.8 %

            Navy
            53,385
            16.4 %

            Air Force
            63,552
            19.1 %

          • Xodis

            Women tend to live longer yes, but thats not just because they are simply women, there are a LOT of factors that go into it, one of the main ones being that men generally work more dangerous jobs.
            As to the surviving worse injuries, I would love to see any statistics you have on that, but more resistant to pain…..thats an incorrect fact. Women statistically feel more pain than males, the only time this changes is when their bodies are pregnant and their ability to endure pain is higher than a males….then it goes back down after pregnancy.

            Yes, they are pumping out the equivalent to 1 size fits all armor, but you want to have that production and start popping out 2 different versions…one for breasts just because and one without.

            Its not a stretch saying they COULD make female space marines….Im just waiting on a valid reasoning for why they WOULD.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            what about it increasing the variation of model and character opportunities and creating models that appeal to a more diverse player base?

            Same with making Orcs and Goblins. Some people just like Orcs, others like Goblins, some people like a mix.

          • Xodis

            Thats a business reason, not a valid “in universe” reason.

            That being said, I’m not sure they would sell as well, period. There are a lot of companies that are popping out female models and I dont see those all over the 40K tables.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            But they are still in business, which considering the niche wargaming is shows that a market does exist.

          • Xodis

            Yes they are, but I asked for an in universe reason, and you keep dodging the question. From a business point of view, its possible that it could help them…..if they could run it by the fanbase of their number 1 profit builder without alienating them.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Anything GW writes is in universe, they are at liberty to mess with the cannon.

            So as a hypothetical:

            Old RG develops new technology that through incredibly painful processes can turn hardened warrior women into ‘new’ spacemarines. Maybe using saint celestine as a base (she is the only woman strong enough or some other bunkum)

            Mankind needs more warriors, and in almost suicidal push back against its enemies rolls out its ultimate weapon, a newer larger breed of SM (with a mix of women and men.)

            Some people fear and distrust the new marines, some welcome them with open arms.

            There are chapters that are only male, and some that are only female (to allow for people who want traditional armies).

          • Xodis

            And that would be drug around by some as “ruining the fluff to please social media”. GW is rebuilding, I highly doubt they would risk rocking the boat that much to push out a few Fem-Marines. Still in your in universe explaination there is no reason WHY they wouldnt remove the obvious female traits (like breasts) in order to standardize the armor and the soldiers themselves.
            Bottom line is that those that want Fem-Marines, want them to also look female….but that in itself is complete garbage fiction. Space Marines are no more men than Chaos Deamons, they are something else and if women could go through the same change, they would look like the same models we already have.

          • Shawn

            Quit replying to him. He’s either a troll, or severely disappointed that you can’t have gender equality in a make believe game setting and whining about the indignity of it all.

          • Drpx

            As someone who’s worked with female police officers and soldiers in body armor, I always find the curvey-suits in pop culture to be hilarious. A woman wearing protective gear is the same shape as a man: square.

          • Xodis

            I totally agree, not to mention that if Guilliman is “perfecting” space Marines, hes not going to keep the feminine parts that are going to get in the way of standardized armor fitting, and having to customize the armor to fit those busts seems like a waste of time when they can just remove the section through surgery or genetic modification.

          • Spacefrisian

            Been running my Daughters of Russ for a while now, who said woman can never be Astartes? It sure wasnt GW.

            Just like Tau not having psychic powers, GW never said such a thing either.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            Surely anything GW writes or makes up in a drunken fit is ‘in universe’, its not really a barrier.

          • Xodis

            It is when it chances alienating their largest product.

          • thereturnofsuppuppers

            How would the addition of female marines alienate their largest product?

          • Xodis

            I dont know ask them. A lot of people dont like the fluff being abused for social agenda reasons. This happens a lot currently. Which is why I continue trying to steer the conversation towards an in universe reason, to stay away from gender and social politics.

          • twincast

            As I understand it, men are better at handling injuries and women at handling infections.

          • Nathan whiteman

            Men actually have a high pain tolerance, I think it was debunked as a myth a while ago. Mens bones are also denser and are generally larger as well.

            Though I not really against having new female marines, the Sigmar female marine looks cool, it will just make the sisters kind of redundant I reckon if they make female marines.

          • georgelabour

            Well I think you just outlined the major issue as to why we can’t have more female models in 40k games.

            There’s already enough of an issue getting people to paint the current selection. So having some who were resistant to painT would exasperate the matter.

            =^.^=

            PS: I don’t really wanna get in on the debate. I just wanted to have fun with that typo.

          • euansmith

            I guess the Imperium might build female Space Marines for the same reason that some people want the models; representation.

            Maybe female civilians in the grim darkness of the future would like to be able to see someone kicking alien butt and crushing alien skulls who looks vaguely like them.

          • Carey_Mahoney

            That’s something for Eldar kin.

          • Xodis

            That would involve Space Marines becoming less of Batman and more of Superman. 98% of the imperium has never even seen a Space Marine, much less gotten the time to check genders.

        • James

          I thought the entire reason they never made female space marines was because a space marine with a womb is a liability. If a male space marine has a kid with a human woman, you get a fairly tough human kid, but NOT a space marine. If a female space marine had a kid with a human male, what would you get? It would be CLOSER to a space marine then I think people would want to have unchecked. And if that female space marine had a kid with a male space marine? Who is regulating these insanely powerful super soldiers? Maybe I watched Jurassic Park too recently, but I can see why no one was making female space marines for all this time. Being limited to males is part of what keeps space marines tied to humanity, they rely on humans to increase their numbers. If you can breed space marines… that’s over. Space marines become a NEW RACE.

          • Hagwert

            That’s actually a really good point, the last thing the Imperium would want is rouge marines setting up their own colonies. I mean imagine if they turned to chaos they could reproduce new generations of marines without the need for the complex tech of the Imperium simply by having sex !

          • Xodis

            Oh man! Slaanesh wouldn’t need to destroy the galaxy, his/her followers would just rule through straight procreation!!!

          • Hagwert

            Yeah your right , female space marines would be a truly dangerous concept, the Imperium would never allow it because space marine chapters are already largely beyond their control in many ways. If they could give birth to new marines then the high lords of Terra would loose any shred of control and it could soon spiral into mayhem!

          • twincast

            Rouge Marines are the new Noise Marines.

          • Brian Griffith

            Space marines are sterile.

          • Drpx

            Male space marines were castrated in the old fluff. I don’t know if that is still the case (definitely not with space wolves).

          • Xodis

            I think the new fluff just destroys their reproductive organs, like a chemical castration.

          • euansmith

            “… and now Medicus Orderly Ballbusterius will apply the Ritual of the Two House Bricks.”

        • Shawn Pero

          I, personally, would want to see women Marines because it would make the misogynist neckbeards pissed off enough to finally quit 40K like they’ve been threatening to for tne past several decades 🤣

          • Iconoc1ast

            And there we have it

        • Kveldulf

          No it is not.

      • RobertJoker BR

        they are Weapons, not humans, space marine don’t reproduce with sex, women are the imperial’s guard factory of the imperium, they can’t use then to make weapons, i’ts like to transform a pistol factory into a single weapon. And, of curse sisters of battle….

        • Xodis

          Exactly, they probably relate closer to Necrons before Matt Ward ruined the fluff.

      • Spacefrisian

        Makes you wonder what Fabius has been doing for 10k years.

        • Xodis

          Right?!?! Seriously, all we got were 3 dinobots that are more “meh” than anything.

      • Brian Griffith

        It isn’t heresy if “Dad said it was okay.”

    • Iron Star

      Theyve made female stormcast. I can see it happening

      • Shawn

        Well that’s a little different. We’re talking mortal heroes, both male and female, chosen by a god and then given a little of his power in the reforging.

    • Bakvrad

      And next they get rid of all the god damn fur 🙂

    • Dave Satterthwaite

      don’t say that, you’ll trigger all the shut-in neckbeards!

      TOO LATE

      • Xodis

        Because everyone who disagrees must be a neckbeard. Good job, dont defend your position, just insult the opposition, that will work.

    • Drpx

      And they’re good at everything!

    • Iconoc1ast

      Sorry but that would be a bad idea.

    • Jukka Vuorisalo

      That just wouldn´t work and i tell you why in two easy steps:

      1. All space marines are men because female genes don´t “handle” the geneseeds that make marines

      2. sisters of battle & sisters of silence

    • COsteve

      How would we even tell? Add breasts to power armor? Or just have the lore say it so we can state whether our otherwise featureless marines are male or female inside the armor?

      • twincast

        Well, they do like to forego helmets.

        • Eldar are Chaos now

          Then model them female and move on. Other than your personal fanfic what difference does it make?

    • SYSTem050

      As jas been pointed out repeatedly when this comes up other than the head there would be no difference in male/female combat models.

      There ae plenty of third party producers of fenale heads and they arent exactly run off there feet.

      GW goes where the money is and currently that isnt in female marines guard or tau

  • ANevskyUSA

    I didn’t look too closely at the pictures, but it looks to me like they are using Cerebro to locate mutants.

    • Drpx

      My first thought, too, but those are actually tanks filled with the new uber-marines.

  • David Leimbach

    I hope they’re the equivalent of Ogryns to marines. Big, strong, powerful and dumb. The dumber the better. “Me, Grod, son of Guilliman SMASH.” Yeah!

    • Lol, no way. But funny idea nontheless.

    • ZeeLobby

      Dumb would be great!

    • Drpx

      “No, no, Grod, don’t put the bolter in your mouth!”

  • memitchell

    Just for fun, peruse the GW web-sight, and notice how many different types of “better” marines already exist. Sternguard, Vanguard, Heroes, Honor Guard, Damned Legionaries, Masters of the Chapter, Captains, Commander, Deathguard, and all the Chapter specific types like Wold Guard. It ain’t like they’re hurting for new and improved Space Marines.

    • ZeeLobby

      Haha. Too true. These are replacement marines. Already rumored to be assault and terminator variants incoming.

  • William Jameson

    Goodness gracious I am HYPED for this to the point where I’m actually considering abandoning plans for a potential new army in 8th in the form of Ynnari or Astral Claws in favour of Guilliman’s new Marines.

  • Ulrik

    Damn, I like it. Not SM player, but fluff moving forward is great. And Indomitus Crusade lead by RG is something big.

    Of course, even those nu-marines will be carried by men and women of Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy and other true heroes of the Imperium…;)

  • Sam Nolton

    I really hope this turns into a beef between the old marines and the new ones – like if Marneus Calgar gets pissed off at “not being good enough” and defies Gulliman.

    • I find the idea of “We need stronger and bigger Marines to fight Chaos” a bit funny. How long will it take for them to get corrupted? Well… at least in BlackLibrary literature, GW will not bring them to Chaos-players for the next decade or more, that we can be sure of.

    • ZeeLobby

      It’d be a good way to squat the original range.

      • euansmith

        “It was a battle between Battle Brothers, in which Battle Brother battled Battled Brother, but some Marines’ Battle Brothers and bigger than other Marine’s Battle Brothers…”

        • ZeeLobby

          lol, basically.

  • Bellumvinco

    Let’s hope the Alpha Legion didn’t get wind of this little 10,000 year old plan. It didn’t work out so well when Corvus Corax succeeded but thought he failed.

    • Xodis

      Alpha Legion already hacked the programming 😀

      Now there are bigger and badder Space Marines that no one quite knows which side of the line they are on.

    • Boondox

      That’s not really Guilliman. Muahahahah….

    • Eldar are Chaos now

      That will be the trigger for truescale chaos. Fits rather nicely.

    • Pyon ZERO

      They are all Alpharius.

  • ikari_kun2002

    One thing that gives me hope that this is not a general change to truescale is the mention of “weapons befitting their stature”.

    • euansmith

      The first animation appeared to show them shooting bolters one handed. I think it would be cool if, instead of creating a new range of weapons, they just gave them existing heavy weapons and make them effective relentless.

  • Shawn

    Primarchs are coming back! But, in all seriousness it’s probably just a new strain of space marine – unnecessary true scale nonsense.

    • ZeeLobby

      Haha. Yeah. Personally I like the new scale, but I’ve also painted very little of my marine armies, so ebaying them all and getting the bigger guys isn’t that much of a hassle.

      • euansmith

        You’d better move fast on getting your old Marines to market. 😉

        • ZeeLobby

          I dunno. I’d already get nothing for them now…

      • Shawn

        I’m fine with the current scale. If I want to worry about the true-scale-ish Custodes-like brutes of new marines, I’ll just use my stormcast eternals, but their stats better be awesome.

  • Kinda killing my excitement for the advancing lore.

    I mean, we had Corax trying to make a new breed to replenish his Legion, with the Emperor’s old material. We had Fabius work on this stuff for literally 10+ Millennia. And yet Cawl and Guilliman figure it out within months.

    • SilentPony

      Cawl said that Guilliman gave him the directive for new space marines 10,000 years ago. That’s what he’s been up to on Mars since the Heresy.

      • It is still taking away from characters like Fabius that have been on the task to create New Men for more than that. Corax seems to have taken most of the gene material from the Primarch project with him as well, and he destroyed what he had. Unless Guilliman somehow got a nice present with a ribbon around it from Omegon, I can’t see it.

        • SilentPony

          My guess is that Cawl will have been part of the Great Crusade era mechanicus Legion production. He has first hand knowledge and such.

          Or maybe Corax gave what he knew to Guilliman after the Heresy?

        • euansmith

          Maybe Guilliman is a really good manager and gets the best out of his minions 😉

  • Fergie0044

    Yo dawg I heard you liked super soldiers so we put some more super in your super soldiers so you can crush the foul armies of chaos.

  • James

    Have you seen the picture of the models floating about? They’re literally just scaled up space marines by the looks of things 🙁

    • euansmith

      They look to be Marines without the bandy legs that have plagued the range since the old pre-Rogue Trader era models.

  • Thalandor

    It’s a nice way of making people swallow the pill that they’re changing the scale of space marines. Make no mistake, your marine armies are not invalidated, but GW will not produce another marine at the old scale. In 4-5 years from now, your old marines will be vintage space marines.

    • ikari_kun2002

      Going to wait and see. I won’t be buying any at the new scale unless and until we do get new models at the old scale.

    • Drpx

      Cool. My 6000pt “Retro Marine” army might make me rich some day.

      • Hawt Dawg

        Sell them as Squats to increase the profit.

  • Defenestratus

    Hrm. “Indomitus Crusade”

    A.K.A. The “We’ve learned nothing from our past, numerous, onerous, inexcusable mistakes” Crusade.

  • Jean-Yves MacDougall

    Just a question, apologies if already mentioned, Anyone notice the heads of the Aquila each has an open eye…?

    • Hmm, no, I didn’t notice yet. Interesting. Wasn’t the fluff until now like: “don’t look back to the past, look into the future”?

      • euansmith

        You’d have thought, living in the grim darkness, it would be both eyes tightly shut all the time, and maybe fingers in ears too.

    • euansmith

      Good catch.

  • twincast

    So, Guillimarines confirmed. If anyone still needed evidence. Well, I guess it’s the best possible way to move to “truescale”. Still silly, though.

    • TenDM

      If they can’t move from resin to plastic after all these years I doubt they’re going to be able to pull off a switch to truescale while rebooting every rule in the book.

      • ZeeLobby

        I mean they will, it’ll just take time. They’re already planning new assault marines and terminators for the new range. Eventually it’ll be just like playing with the old metal models vs the newer plastic ones.

        • TenDM

          But why? I mean I know they could and it wouldn’t be that surprising given the dumb stuff they’ve done in the past, but what’s in it for them? They’re going to redo thousands of old models while also releasing new factions, because they… really hate us?

          • ZeeLobby

            Eh. It’s to sell more space marines to people who already have 5K+ pts of space marines. Ebay is already saturated with Space Marine resales. I’m sure the actual sales of SM box sets have probably stagnated at this point. So they probably figure alienate 60% of space marine players, but sell to the 40% that’s left, and you’re still selling more than you are now.

  • SilentPony

    Neo space marines. Good to know the rumors were right.

  • SilentPony

    Okay so brand new army. Neo space marines. A new way of making Marines, using old Legion methods and new Mechanicus advancements.

    And they still can only get it to work on dudes?!
    Come on GW! This was your golden ticket for female space marines. A brand new genetic engineering program that doesn’t cut out 50% of the entire human population! Would have sold like hotcakes!

    • Kritarion

      Paint them like Zarya from Overwatch. Nerds will rejoice

    • Nuriel

      Brand new army or addition for existing chapters?

    • Maitre Lord Ironfist

      but every Female can only carry 1 Pregnancy ata time. A Man cann cause multiple pragnancys in a week. You need more Women then men, therefore men are expandable too a dagree, far more then women anyway.

      • Nilok

        This is sadly a truth for most of the natural world in social animals, and until the end of WW2, what usually happened to men as they were sent off to war to die.

  • Jooster

    Robootay?

    • twincast

      GW wouldn’t be able to construct a grammatically correct term from two actual Latin words if their life depended on it. Only consistent then that they can’t keep the pronunciation of a made-up French-y name straight.

    • Chuck
    • Chuck

      Emmy-Award winning actor of Benson and Sports Night fame, Robert Guillaume!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Guillaume

      • twincast

        Yes? Your point being? Jooster was clearly pointing out that despite the e in Roboute being properly established as silent, in this video it is not.

        • Chuck

          My point was like, a humor joke. I have heard humans like humor jokes.

          • Hawt Dawg

            You heard wrong judging from the reply you got.

    • Boondox

      It’s got a nice 70’s disco ring to it. Wonder how Big G will look in roller skates and bellbottomed artificer armor?

    • Drpx

      Robootay the Spess Mahreen!

  • Thomas

    Am I allowed to believe that they aren’t replacing normal marines, but they’re still really stupid?

    “Space Marines are good at fighting Chaos! Let’s make them even more marine-y!”

    I just find it incredibly dumb, sadly.

    • ZeeLobby

      Ditto. GW should have just grown a pair and said, hey, these are the new marine models.

      • Thomas

        Pretty much. I wouldn’t have minded fielding my smaller marines either, I have a bunch of classic metal marines that are noticeably smaller but I don’t really mind.

  • mrt181

    Finally, after decades they fix the scale of Space Marines. Has the emperor awaken in Nottingham?

    • Boondox

      Kirby the Pariah left…

  • ZeeLobby

    True scale marines incoming. Time to unload all my mini-marines!

    • Timotheus

      Like I said before: Why couldn’t they just keep on silently beefing up the existing Marine range like they used to in the recent years so they don’t make our existing astartes armies redundant?? Oh wait….

      • ZeeLobby

        I’ve tried to argue this point. Or to at least just have them say “this is the new tactical squad” etc. But fanboys seem to like the shadier approach of writing it into the fluff. Don’t ask me, haha.

    • Hawt Dawg

      Why? Now you have a “brand new” Squats army.

      • ZeeLobby

        Haha. True. I guess I could combine them with those Kharadron models i just bought… hmmmmm

  • James Tompsett

    The pictures of the new models I’ve seen all look really great, IMHO the problem is going to be they will look like a slightly different scale to other Marines, throwing off the aesthetic of battles.

    If what I’ve seen are the actual new models then they look too similar for the scales not to clash with existing ranges.

    • ZeeLobby

      Well, it’s probably because regardless of what defenders say, they’re meant to replace those ranges eventually. I think most people will grumble, and then just replace them all at some point.

  • Timotheus

    Aaaaaand I’m out.

    • Sweetcurse

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. We will enjoy this for you.

      • GnomesForge

        He won’t. They’ll have to sell the door to make up this loss.

    • Hawt Dawg

      Thank God!

  • BaronSnakPak

    I only ever use 20 (old) Tactical Marines when I play my Ultras, so incorporating the new scale ones into my army won’t be an issue.

    People who field a lot of tacs on the other hand…

    • euansmith

      Of course, new, bigger Tactical Marines will make the three Knight Titans look a little undersized, so it will be time to replace them with something a little larger 😉

      • BaronSnakPak

        I hope they can punch a Wraithknight in the face.

  • Drpx

    So, the plan is to make more super soldiers…because that always solves everything.

  • Cameron Wright

    It isn’t “Primarch’s legacy” he says “Primarchs’ legacies”. Which helps them fit in with mroe chapters i suppose.

  • Boondox

    My army goes back to the Rogue Trader days so this is going to be EPIC!! Guilliman leading an army of New Marines, Old Marines and Rogue Trader Marines. I might even throw in Iron Bonce the Squat as Guillimans personal Gimp…

    • Commissar Molotov

      I bet the new marines are twice as big as the old Rogue Trader marines.

      • Nilok

        Wait, with the oversized head I thought that was a Squat in Power Armour.

      • Boondox

        They’re even bigger in Asia…

  • Matthew Pomeroy

    oh goody, stormcast ultramarines…also known as “supersmurfs”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYrTCGKyrU

  • Jesse Godfrey

    I hope that picture isn’t correct. I also hope they aren’t going to be an Ultramarine exclusive. Ultramarines already have more toys to play with than the other legions/chapters. I think they need to continue focusing on balancing the damn game instead of being greedy. This seems too star wars clone wars to me. It honestly has me concidering selling my models now while they are still worth it, and going back to painting Model cars, and saving my money for a new hobby. Guess I’ll need to find a new book series to read too.

  • Gary Canterbury

    BITDs, CSM had factories still churning out equipment the Imperium had declared ‘heretical,’ Land Raiders, heavy vehicles-Graviton Guns…Assault Cannons…Vortex Grenades, all sorts of stuff SMs didn’t have…including Gene Factories: “Medics” ran around the battlefields collecting gene-seed from the fallen: certainly for use in existing gene factories.

    Then some nut came out with individual Chaos Gods books and the hosing of CSMs started wholescale, including entire rewrites of lore.

  • georgelabour

    So, thunder warriors 2.0?

    A ‘cheap and mass produced’ army of super soldiers put together to turn a massive war in their ruler’s favor.

  • Randy Randalman

    And no, they won’t be Ultramarines only. EVERY chapter will have access to them.

  • Ludwig Hesselbach

    What if this is more along the lines of Custodains being made in mass scale? It’ll give the line chapters time to fall back, rearm or finish their respective wars for a big push?
    Also why isn’t anyone talking about the line were he says they’ll reforge the fallen marines? Sounds like Storm Castish stuff there. Or maybe it’ll be better Dreadnoughts.
    Come on summer, I’m dying to find out.

  • professorkylan

    thunder. Thunder. THUNDER WARRIORS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • generalchaos34

    My wager will be less of a new faction and more like an additional choice for marine chapters, i.e. they can be bought as an elite choice much like sternguard. I really hope this opens up the story line to having a marine/new marine rivalry. How are guys like the space wolves going to react when theres a new unit of super marines on the block and they are being forced to work with them?

  • Seb

    Roh-bootie? I always thought the emphasis was similar in tone to Beaut – as in ‘Roh-Buut’

    I’m sorry, I can’t take a primarch seriously called Ro’Bootie.

    Considering how fly his armor is, I’ll stick with calling him The G. http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad54a73c6fe151711f7a04b715d60410d9d2d10eb78e454a46becacc48672baf.jpg

  • Nightwalker

    wait… if Gulliman is the “king” of the new Indomitus crusade… would that make him the “Indomitus Rex”?

  • Eldar are Chaos now

    I can just see it now: every time one of these new marines dies, their essence is transferred to a new marine via gene seed. Unfortunately, they lose more personality the more this process occurs. 😂😂😂

  • GAZNZ

    It would have made more sense for Gulliman to have made 000s more astartes in legions and done another great crusade
    Now hes messing around with stuff he knows nothing about ie making bigger astartes with the mechanicum
    Its all about selling a few new units for gw

    Maybe if he amped up custodes production and used them more?

    Gw saying there making the game great again
    Now who says that often?
    Not sure how its great yet lol

  • GAZNZ

    Its logistically flawed as there weapons are way bigger and use bigger ammo
    Limited support
    Sorry cant help you we dont stock that ammo
    Boltgun rounds at size x4

  • Theodosius

    Arg screw you GW, if there was one thing I was certain that I didn’t like was the idea of, it was super space marines but watching this …can’t ….contain…..rising…excitement. What is it with this company? In anything else my cynicism is usually largely unassailable yet with the GeeDubs they keep crumbling my rational defenses with precision shots from their emotive nerdgasm canon.

  • Crablezworth

    space marine space marines….

  • MechBattler

    Thunder Warriors augmented with Mechanicum tech? An army of super cyborgs probably.

  • Hawt Dawg

    Change will destroy…

  • Tothe

    Custodes/Marines hybrid super soldiers that include the repaired geneseed of all 20 Primarchs.

  • hersoldier

    Maybe Thunder Warriors with geneseed ? That would explain why they are larger. They were supposed to be bigger and all around more powerful and immune to being tainted by the warp right?

  • RAKSHA

    This is first step to replace old models off space marines sooner or later old models will disappear..

  • RAKSHA

    This is why Leman Russ disappeared? To look for the cure for his legion?..is wolven will be still here?…what about rest of the chapters..if Guliman calling new crusade is that mean new era of legions coming back..is he will try to find his brothers and give them to command his new OP marines? Like Emperor did before…so many questions

  • palaeomerus

    Row-boo-tay Gill-i-mon THAT RIGHT THERE IS OFFICIAL

  • Omnia Incendent

    Does GW intend a schism form between Marines and Marines 2.0? Or are they just bolstering numbers without exceeding the 1k codex limit?

  • Carey_Mahoney

    Thunder Warriors. Easy.

  • Bloke

    I like it. Using the Vitruvian Man to create a more accurately proportioned marine.

  • euansmith

    “I am the son
    And the heir
    Of a gene-seed that has been rendered bogus
    I am the son and heir
    Of nothing in particular

    “You shut your vox
    How can you say
    I go about things the wrong way?
    I am post-human and I need to be loved
    Just like everybody else does.”

    http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06adabd0ab6689f9a8141a015aa7e0a5ad0beda9438b581e4490fc278f62789c.jpg

  • archangeleong

    Hate this whole idea. Why invalidate your cash cow GW by making the best of the best 2nd best? Think of all the computer games and other media that the humble space marine has inspired. Now he is just a second rate failure of the heresy era armies (your other biggest sci Fi cash cow). I finally want to rage quit 40k after about 30 years of playing!! Haven’t seen the models or read the fluff yet so can’t say for sure. However the entire concept sux

  • archangeleong

    Hopefully these new guys will all die off quickly as a result of genetic instability but they will help win back the imperium whilst diving headlong into the new warp rifts across the galaxy and never come back.

    However what will probably happen is that whilst they are in the warp they will party with Draigo and some slaneesh byatches, distracting she who thirst long enough for the elder to kill of 40ks remaining embarrassing adults only chaos god, therby aligning 40k with pg rated sigmarines and paving the way for a new era of alternate realms that take the gothic out of the sci fi and turn the volume up to eleven as well as the model size up to twelve…. I need some sleep….

  • Its got to be a new breed of Thunder Warriors. They were more powerful than an Astartes but were limited by a short lifespan so that when the Emperor was done and the galaxy conquered they would just die out and leave the galaxy for humanity: no muss, no fuss.

  • Me

    I was reading too fast. I saw something else when I first read “his magical guts”. I guess my mind short circuited that with the “breeding a new class of warrior” and came up with a slightly different word at the end.

  • Anon ONI agent

    RIP Warhammer 40,000 1987-2017