BOMBSHELL: Games Workshop Returns to Organized Play

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The players have demanded organized play for 40K and Age of Sigmar – Reports say GW has listened.  Here’s the details!

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This week the GAMA tradeshow is occurring at Bally’s casino & resort in Las Vegas.  This is the major north american industry tradeshow for game manufacturers.

 

Games Workshop is in attendance this year (see the floormap) and isn’t just manning a booth.  They held multiple seminars including one Wednesday, March 16th titled “Build Community”

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There was apparently some big news in there. BoLS has been told the following was revealed during the seminar:

GW will be returning to Organized Play!

Details of the Organized Play program are sketchy, and I’m sure the full program will be rolled out over the next few months. But here are the broad brushstrokes of what was reported from the seminar:

  • The Program will include Organized Play Systems for both Warhammer 40,000 and Age of Sigmar.
  • There will be a “campaign system” for each game.
  • Prize support is a part of the system.
  • The system will engage players at the Store, FLGS, and Convention level.

and the big one….

  • The Age of Sigmar campaign will include some type of “points” system!
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This is HUGE NEWS!  Games Workshop slowly but surely pulled out of the organized play scene over a handful of years roughly 5-6 years back leaving FLGSs and the entire tournament scene to fend for themselves.  Their absence has been keenly felt in an industry with all other major manufacturers pushing forward full steam ahead on the Organized Play front.  Privateer Press has a fantastic system up and running with new exciting annual league rules, unique prizes and evolving styles of play.  FFG is charging in like a bull with organized play systems for all of their growing systems with lavish prize support (remember Massing at Sullust).  Outfits like WizKids do the same with exclusive Organized Play models released each year.

There are a lot of directions GW can go in rolling out an Organized Play system, but it looks after years wandering in the desert that they are coming home – and with a points system for Age of Sigmar!

 

~More on this story as details come in.

 

 

  • Ross Allan

    Awaits the inevitable cries of THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH from those who make the Daily Mail sound reasonable.

    • Neal Laxman

      THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! I needs MOAR points and special rules for my net list monstrosity…..

      How’s that?

      • Ross Allan

        If I’m honest, 6.2/10. The good news is, it’s a pass. However, you missed ‘THIS IS AN INSULT TO ME, PERSONALLY’, You could also have explained why this caused the death of your beloved Nan 15 years ago, and why they might as well have molested your Hamster with this announcement.

        • Neal Laxman

          Yeah, I don’t think my heart was in it 😭

        • Paramitas

          Ross, you are a treasure to cherish. This comment made my week. 🙂

        • As a Hispanic, GW has really insulted me and I will not purchase another piece of trash from them until they apologize then travel back into time to re-release AoS with a point system. They should also set up a sliding scale of price on their products based on what we can afford as we all know that minorities, like myself, don’t have as much disposal income on average as other privileged classes. By refusing to implement this policy, they are purposely keeping minorities, such as myself, out of the game. This is structurally racist and recognizing this and not doing anything about it makes GW basically the John Birch Society.

          • AMobiusRex

            I’d argue that making things cheaper for minorities is structurally racist. Plus, would the ethnicity discount be applied on a face value basis or would you need corroborating ID to demonstrate it, ya know, some kind of race card?

            Capitalism is colour blind… Unless that colour is green.

          • Pascalnz

            capitalism is colour blind…sadly the society it is placed in is still full of greedy racist sexist etc etc people.

          • AMobiusRex

            Citation needed on that one. There are people who cry these things a lot like Concerned Student 1950 at Mizzou College or Ms Sarkesian but their arguments are narrative based and have no quantifiable or factual merit.

          • Pascalnz

            so.. you think people have no faults, or that their faults couldn’t possibly corrupt a system??

          • AMobiusRex

            Well if we’re using that logic then you must assume everyone is prejudice? I simply asked for something quantative rather than rhetoric and tautology.

          • Pascalnz

            I don’t think you’re using tautology correctly? a “true fact” or “your most favourite thing” would be examples of tautology.
            The word you’re looking for at the end of your first sentence is prejudiced.
            What part of my statement used rhetoric? I said that people are flawed and that there can be no system that is immune to that. how else would things like the housing crisis to the south sea bubble have existed?

            two simple questions
            1. are people flawed?
            2. Is capitalism[or any set of rules for governing society] impervious to corruption?

          • AMobiusRex

            It wasn’t a reference at you directly but that the same narrative (as the one you use) being repeated as an argument ad nauseum when they’re is nothing to support it.

            1. Yes, that doesn’t mean they’re prejudice.
            2. No but that doesn’t mean there is systemic racism.

            To say that either of these questions indicate prejudice in society is an irrational leap.

          • Pascalnz

            please use the word prejudiced when it is needed.i.e. in your first answer.

            1.your first answer stating they may not be prejudiced doesn’t say they can’t be prejudiced either
            so there must be some people that have prejudice against groups of others.

            It’s the reason we have police officers , lawyers, judges, juries as well as politicians.
            most people have some form of prejudice, even slight. So we need separate groups to hold each other accountable.
            It’s why Judge dread is terrifying.

            2. I never said that capitalism was racist. I said quite clearly it wasn’t…did I miss something?

            Is there systemic racism in the U.S. …possibly. does it have anything to do with capitalism….pretty unlikely. If it exists is it because people like to stay in the own groups, fear things that are different…are greedy for power…are corruptible, like to blame groups for their problems, etc etc?

            I think that’s much more likely don’t you?

            there has to be some statistics around that will show systematic racism one way or the other. but that’s not what I was arguing.

            I was refuting your statement that because capitalism is divorced from any racism because capitalism only see’s green[money]. It means there cannot be systematic racism in a capitalist society.

            unless I misunderstood your earlier post?

          • AMobiusRex

            1. I still prefer to think evidence needs to be provided to demonstrate the hypothesis but you are not incorrect that anecdotal examples exist.
            2. You’re correct, I misinterpreted your assertion. My apologies. I guess I was looking for an argument where there wasn’t one.

            Still, it was pleasant debating you without anybody resorting to regressive and unnecessary name calling or personal insults. It rekindles my hope that intelligent debate can still exist on Internet forums.

          • Which vice rules over the other one? Greed or -ism? Will greed overshadow someone’s -ism or will someone’s -ism override one’s greed?

          • Pascalnz

            They don’t fight each other :). Greed blinds you to things[i.e. slaves making shoes…but they’re cheap!] and being blind is the cause of the isms like racism or sexism. For example,”the blacks actually enjoy the safety and secureness of being a slave” “women are much happier at home”.

            but it’s so easy to be blinded and to not have to try and think about other possibilities… everyones brain wants to take the easiest path. it’s the fight against laziness in thought[preconception being part of that] and action which is the greatest fight and makes people better.

            If you ever have the fortune to live in another country or teach in a rich school and poor school or work in and with different communities. your preconceptions get challenged all the time. It gets easier and easier to see how much divisive misinformation there is and how easily people get manipulated.

          • LordRao

            Good play of the race card. Thrice. Upvoted, sir.

          • eldarconvert .

            please lets stay away from the race card in our arguments about the hobby

    • Alhazred_The-Mad

      Careful, you’ll give the tools on BOLS free article ideas. “Geekery Today: What’s Good Enough?”. They won’t even give you a biline.

    • Insert_nickname_here

      I think it’s a disgrace that GW have spent all this time creating a points system and the STILL haven’t updated my Sisters of Battle.
      (hopes no one notices I don’t have Sisters of Battle….)

      • Ross Allan

        6.3/10. Still missing the ideal level of hysterics, but you did show remarkable selfishness, not to mention a well place moving goal, even involving something which isn’t actually a concern for you, just another whine excuse.

      • Ross Allan

        6.3/10. Still missing the ideal level of hysterics, but you did show remarkable selfishness, not to mention a well place moving goal, even involving something which isn’t actually a concern for you, just another whine excuse.

        • Insert_nickname_here

          Curses. Is the introduction of points somehow encouraging illegal immigrants to steal Diana’s bones with MY taxes?

        • Insert_nickname_here

          Curses. Is the introduction of points somehow encouraging illegal immigrants to steal Diana’s bones with MY taxes?

          • Ross Allan

            Completely unrelated….so that’s increased your score to 8.6/10. Still lacking outdated views on non-heterosexual lifestyles, poor people and well, anyone not you.

          • Insert_nickname_here

            I knew bringing up Diana was too Express-y.

          • Insert_nickname_here

            I knew bringing up Diana was too Express-y.

          • Paramitas

            LOL. OMG how long has this been going on? BoLS should be paying you for your service.

          • Ross Allan

            Completely unrelated….so that’s increased your score to 8.6/10. Still lacking outdated views on non-heterosexual lifestyles, poor people and well, anyone not you.

        • Oliver Grimwood

          But he manged to work Sisters of Battle in that must be worth more 😉

        • Oliver Grimwood

          But he manged to work Sisters of Battle in that must be worth more 😉

          • Ross Allan

            Sadly SoB are actually a valid point – they do deserve a good reworking. Said validity, even though utterly unrelated to the point at hand cost him a few marks 🙂

          • Aezeal

            Semi armies don’t deserve anything, there are to much armies (esp imperial) as is.

          • Azrell

            What lol!? GW does not make female models any more. Only big burly men in sleeveless armor standing in impossible poses or walking like an infant in a metal diaper.

      • Oliver Grimwood

        I regret that I have but one like to give. Well played.

      • Oliver Grimwood

        I regret that I have but one like to give. Well played.

      • Marky

        I’m still waiting on the new bretonian book… For my counts as tomb kings knights and the new 9th edition GW WHFB 😭

    • ZeeLobby

      Uh, we don’t even know what “that” is. I’ll reserve judgement until we actually see what GW means by this. Until then i’ll remain skeptical, as I would hardly call 40K a game that’s ready for organized play, so AoS has aways to go.

    • ZeeLobby

      Uh, we don’t even know what “that” is. I’ll reserve judgement until we actually see what GW means by this. Until then i’ll remain skeptical, as I would hardly call 40K a game that’s ready for organized play, so AoS has aways to go.

    • Liam

      Okay, how about “too little; too late.”

      • Ross Allan

        0.4/10. Sadly, a very poor effort. No hysteria, no faux outrage, nothing unrelated, no attempts to make it all about you.

        Must try harder.

        • Aezeal

          But he’s still far from the truth. So 0.4 is lowish.

          • Ross Allan

            No overreaction, no claims its all specifically against them and nobody else, no claim they speak for everyone.

            For an attempt at a hyperbolic it was tepid at best :p

      • Ross Allan

        0.4/10. Sadly, a very poor effort. No hysteria, no faux outrage, nothing unrelated, no attempts to make it all about you.

        Must try harder.

      • lordofexcess

        Current rulesets are the worst possible setups for any sort of reasonable organized play.

        At least six years late.

        Still stupidly expensive.

        Community is dead (save Trolls, living example all around here … yes arguably myself included).

        What was this discussion about again? Oh yes, “organized play” … well given the company can’t seem to “organize” anything anymore …

    • Liam

      Okay, how about “too little; too late.”

    • blackbloodshaman

      Awaits the incessant whining about any comments WHICH DARE cast their beloved in a negative light

      • ZeeLobby

        Yeah, I’m honestly getting tired of the whiners about whiners. Let people express their displeasure. They don’t have to run around trying to police everyone to be happy.

        • euansmith

          Dude, don’t get me started on Whining Whiner Whiner Whiners!

        • Ross Allan

          I’m taking the piss. There’s a big difference 😉

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha, sounds good to me. Just think it’s a little ridiculous how much will-imposing goes on in the comments section.

    • Brian Brodeur

      Just BRING BACK THE OLD WORLD !! I don’t need points, I don’t need stupid prizes, and I don’t need another boxed game that will just sit on the shelf next to my 140 dollar dragon!! I need amazing Lore and a ruleset that is balanced!!
      Where are the Tomb Kings? The Bretonnians? Sisters of Battle? Do something useful with your time already and i MIGHT give you some of my money.

      (hows that? 🙂 )

    • Tyris

      Does it still have rules like “get re-rolls if you have the shiniest moustache”?

      THEN DAMN STRAIGHT IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH

    • James__P

      GW’s proposed point system for Age of Sigmar has encouraged benefit cheats, lowered house prices and made hard working tax payers hate the Queen?

      • Ross Allan

        A solid entry, but still lacking racism, homophobia and assorted bigotry. I mean, you didn’t even mention drugs, pimps or Bulgaria.

        So it’s a low score of 4.8/10

        • James__P

          Do I get bonus points for including an article on page 4 explaining how Age of Sigmar causes cancer and an article on page 7 explaining how Age of Sigmar *cures* cancer, each blaming the issue on workshy drug-addicted immigrant lesbian students with lax morals?
          Obviously the articles will include the obligatory pictures of scantily-clad female students for readers to pour over in minute detail so they can work out exactly morally lax they are? The articles will also claim that Jeremy Corbyn wrote Age of Sigmar as a calculated attempt to insult the Queen and our war dead.

    • Largie

      How dare they bring a points system to a game that clearly doesn’t need it. 10 year old Timmy who’s only just got the starter set loves facing off against 20 bloodthirsters, Archaon, thanquil and one of each verminlord.

      Don’t even get me started on campaigns and competitions with prizes. This just promotes buying their miniatures, who do they think they are. Rules may even get clarification from this, we all love a good RAI Vs RAW debate.

      I would put a complaint in but next thing you know they’ll start responding to E-mails.

      • Ross Allan

        That…..that may be a clean 10/10…..but only if you’ve been incessantly demanding the new announcement previously, only to now pretend you hadn’t, and GW continue to ignore you personally.

        And more points have to be docked unless your advice to them is based on never having run a company at all, ever.

        Bonus points awarded if your sole work experience is instead being exceptionally poor at burger flipping :p

        • Largie

          I feel like they think that the UK staying in the EU would improve their business by having more immigrants buying and competing in these so called “competitions”.

          It is a personal attack on myself by giving us one thing we didn’t want, to only take it away again.

          I mean I have never run a business but my time at burger king has shown me, that you can’t cook a burger on a stool. Of which I found out the hard way.

          • Ross Allan

            Ok, 10/10 🙂

    • SundaySilence

      Except that even if they created a points system for organised play and it was the best, most mathematically hard-on inducing piece of system building ever; people would still moan.

    • eldarconvert .

      who likes there own comments these days, and its not quite bigotry just yet to really like organised play.

  • Neal Laxman

    Interesting to see, direction under the new CEO looks to be heading in the right direction.

    This time next year it’ll be interesting to see what the state is with everything!

    • Andrew Long

      Indeed. Cheaper intro sets, specialist games, a new tournament scene, a new facebook page, boardgames, moar power to Forgeworld – I feel like an abused partner, just waiting for GW to hit us with the bad news.

    • Andrew Long

      Indeed. Cheaper intro sets, specialist games, a new tournament scene, a new facebook page, boardgames, moar power to Forgeworld – I feel like an abused partner, just waiting for GW to hit us with the bad news.

      • ZeeLobby

        Haha, you know there’s a catch somewhere in there. It’s been so long since they just genuinely cared about their customers.

      • ZeeLobby

        Haha, you know there’s a catch somewhere in there. It’s been so long since they just genuinely cared about their customers.

        • Severius_Tolluck

          I miss the days of them actually listening. Or claiming to listen, like the foreward in the 6th ed WFB BRB.

          • ZeeLobby

            Haha, their claiming to listen was like a warm blanket :D.

          • nurglitch

            Maybe they’re listening to the wrong people? I feel like GW has been catering to me and my tastes with every new edition of 40k since 4th. Conversely I quit early in 6th edition because I was sick of WHFB and disliked the direction that it was going.

        • Brian Brodeur

          Just let me have my few moments of dreaming … can’t you just give me that?!

        • Muninwing

          the catch is that people have to forgive them for releasing a half-done product…

      • Old zogwort

        They just lost their place in the ranking. One might call it desperate.

      • Neal Laxman

        the bad news? The rules… Whilst playing every turn you do a round of Vigo, if you get a bingo than random strength D large blast where ever you want…..

        • Frank Krifka

          unoriginal and not funny. try again plz

    • Local Ork

      I almost like GW again enough to give them my money.

  • Daniel Sims

    Now they just need a balanced and easily understood rules set to go with it.

    • ZeeLobby

      This. If they don’t do this, then it won’t matter how many super-fun-time events they throw.

      • happy_inquisitor

        Is fun a bad thing now?

        🙂

        • ZeeLobby

          definitely not bad. They just aren’t reversely related. You can have fun AND good rules/points. If they don’t do this, you just won’t see as much growth, or as many players return, as you’re basically throwing away half of population.

          • Daniel Sims

            Seriously, if they just copied Privateer Press’ organized play document, 40k would be a lot more fun at both the casual and competitive levels.

            And yes I have played both competitively

    • ZeeLobby

      This. If they don’t do this, then it won’t matter how many super-fun-time events they throw.

    • V10_Rob

      Unless they want to make a mockery of the whole thing, with a handful of net lists dominating everything with cheese.

      • eldarconvert .

        there is no such thing as a net list, it quite possible for 3 million “intelligent” people to make the same observation.

    • V10_Rob

      Unless they want to make a mockery of the whole thing, with a handful of net lists dominating everything with cheese.

    • Andrew Long

      Assuming Age of Sigmar had points and tourney balance, it would be the closest GW has ever got to this. It’s simple, is somewhat tactical (no more or less than other GW products anyway) and it doesn’t take all day to get through it – not bad for the modern gamer. It’s easy to envsion 40k going the same way.

      My hope (probably in vain) is that they don’t print the points in books, instead keeping them online or in apps, so that they can reduce the cases of codex creep.

      • Aezeal

        And easily update.. though gw track record with that isn’t very good (one of the few valid complaints about gw imho)

      • LordCastellan Vas

        Yes, this is absolutely the best idea I’ve seen on here all day. Let the list-building app generate the points values so that they can make adjustments on the fly. You could even have units be assigneed different pounts values for different scenarios, or whatever.

      • Axis Mundi

        150 people will be playing in the SCGT in England in just a few weeks – it’s AoS with both points and tourney balance in the scenarios/army selection, but virtually no changes to the core rules. I posted here a while ago that I thought GW should, and probably were, paying attention to this. Turns out AoS is a great tourney game – I really hope GW just use the SCGT approach to it though. The points system in particular needs to be a pdf and/or online table that they can update regularly.

      • Marky

        Codex creep is the reason to buy more plastic, they would be MAD to stop it…. Instead they could pretend to try and balance the game while actually deliberately see sawing which units were under costed so you buy them all for this months current netlist 🙂

        • Muninwing

          this is short-term versus long-term thinking.

          the codex creep problem, when inordinate, is definitely a problem. it creates a buy-rush, which is good short-term. but it undermines confidence and creates potential quittage. if some armies are just clearly better, some will buy a new army. some will get sick of being underdogs and trash the lot.

          think of that whiner who lit his Dark Elves on fire when AoS came out.

          you don’t do that if you have invested in that army as a fun loved product. my Beasts are boxed up and waiting for a game worthy of playing to emerge, not melted in a pile of nerdrage and tears. sadly, DElves were one of the main armies that made such drastic changes necessary, and couldn’t have been a longterm loved investment else the owner would have had more respect for them.

          that was clearly a product of buying because of power creep. and sure, he invested in the product. but he’ll never buy again now. in contrast, i just started collecting Ravenwing (up to about 2500 points), and am still expanding my converted Iron Hands. so i’ll keep buying until i tire of the hobby, because i still value my forces. that’s because i bought them for aesthetic and fluff reasons, and the imbalances are not the primary source of motivation.

    • Brian Brodeur

      I heard a great way to do this is to destroy everything and start over. 50k Age of the Emporer.

      • Muninwing

        stop trolling

        • Brian Brodeur

          Thought that was the point of all these comments/threads …. … how odd.

          • Muninwing

            it’s too soon.

            it will always be too soon.

            AoS is just going too far.

            and your comment also shows up after a real discussion, so i hadn’t realized it was in response to one of the silly comments above.

          • Brian Brodeur

            I hear ya. It’s hard for me NOT to make a smartass GW comment now a days. I see lots of hopes and dreams from people but nothing coming of it. AoS was too far but they can’t turn back. 40k is ROUGH for people to get into and GW just found a way of selling more stuff with detachments.
            I’d personally like to see a major change in 40k but not an AoS change for them.
            It feels like Jekyll and Hyde are running the company.
            Reasonably priced “getting started” packages. Good.
            140 dollar dragons. Bad.
            Old game support. Good.
            AoS. Bad.
            AAAHHHHH!

  • Oliver Grimwood

    Well they never really stopped. One just had to go to Warhamner World for the events 😳

    • Azrell

      Sales events dont count.

  • LordCastellan Vas

    The armies of recession are receeding! The evil times are ending! Praises be unto the Dark Lords of Nottingham! Seriously though. As someone who runs an Age of Sigmar campaign in my local shop, this is great news.
    , not so much be ause of the additional support, but because of what this says about the direction of the company.

  • Deacon Ix

    The first time the ‘BOMBSHELL!’ title has been justified

  • WellSpokenMan

    And in other news, Toyota has announced plans to run a Prius at the 24 hours of Le Mans.

    After saying that the game is not designed for organized play for years, now they are going to run with it without redesigning the game. This animal drawn cargo vehicle, it seems to have been placed in front of it’s equine power source.

    • Thomson

      The game was never the problem. There have always been only a few rules which where a little problematic, but there where never game breaking issues… well… besides assaults taking forever but that was a long time ago.

      Today I would say the 6 on the D weapon and stomp tables, Invisibility and maybe ignore cover are the biggest offenders, but they are easily corrected with 3 lines of Errata.

      There are some issues with ambiguous rules which is shown by TO FAQ, but it should be possible to handle them.

      IMO the biggest problem they had and still have are that the points values they pull out of some strange hats are sometimes totally crazy. And that is something that can be fixed if their game designers really start to listen to the community instead of defending their wierd view on game balance.

      • WellSpokenMan

        I agree that 40k can be fixed, that’s why I still have both of my armies. The issue here is that they haven’t fixed it yet. So unless they are rolling out a massive rebalancing effort between now and this attempt at organized play, I don’t see how this is going to go well.

        • JJ

          I’m in no way a GW apologist, but you have to give them credit for trying to fix things.

          Yes I know they should have done it properly the first time, but you can’t scream that 40k is broken then scream when they finally step in to attempt a fix.

          • WellSpokenMan

            I’ve been defending 40k from the tournament crowd on the basis that they have said that they aren’t trying to make that kind of game. While this will hopefully make 40k into a better game in the long run, it’s a bit baffling if they are going to try to make organized play work without fixing the game first.

            I do give GW credit for taking a more engaged positive direction with their games. Even if this attempt at organized play fails horribly, just interacting with players at some level should have a positive effect on what has become a fractious and unwelcoming community. I also hope that this will lead to a better game experience in the long run. I’d love to pull my stuff out the garage again.

          • WellSpokenMan

            I’ve been defending 40k from the tournament crowd on the basis that they have said that they aren’t trying to make that kind of game. While this will hopefully make 40k into a better game in the long run, it’s a bit baffling if they are going to try to make organized play work without fixing the game first.

            I do give GW credit for taking a more engaged positive direction with their games. Even if this attempt at organized play fails horribly, just interacting with players at some level should have a positive effect on what has become a fractious and unwelcoming community. I also hope that this will lead to a better game experience in the long run. I’d love to pull my stuff out the garage again.

          • muleyyy

            fact is, it hasn’t made a better game has it

          • ZeeLobby

            Except things WERE better, and they broke the hell out of them. So really we should be skeptically reserved, not praising.

          • Insert_nickname_here

            To be fair, in the 25 years+ I’ve been playing GW games, things were always better ‘back in the day’. If we take that attitude, where exactly do you go back to? Regardless of what they do, many people are going to be unhappy.

          • ZeeLobby

            OK, but we can all agree that there was a point in time when White Dwarf was well worth the money. Hell they used to have actual FICTION in it, to go along with battle reports, or sometimes just for the heck of it. Things have never been perfect, but there’s a lot of stuff that is reversible, and which the majority of the community is behind. I mean revenue wouldn’t be continuing to drop if GW was giving it’s customers what they wanted.

          • Insert_nickname_here

            You’re right about White Dwarf (though I’ve only bought a few since it became weekly), I remember it included a board game once which was the Emperors’ final attack on Horus’ flagship, and it had loads of HH fiction (20 years before it was cool!). And didn’t one have a Kharn the Betrayer story where he attacked a slaanesh palace (or was that Inferno?). Anyway, yes WD could be better.

          • muleyyy

            white dwarf is dead to me since it became weekly, but even before that it became increasingly vapid

          • ZeeLobby

            I just remember the hunt for the fallen articles they had in a couple issues. And yeah, I definitely remember the HH flagship game.

          • Aezeal

            Yeah always been like that and always been incorrect

          • ZeeLobby

            Except things WERE better, and they broke the hell out of them. So really we should be skeptically reserved, not praising.

          • Azrell

            They haven’t done anything yet, in fact they haven’t even officially said they are going to do anything yet. Give them credit when they actually do something.

          • Muninwing

            they’ve made an announcement. that’s declaration of intent.

            which counts for exactly nothing unless they actually carry through. the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions.

            they intended to revitalize White Dwarf too…

    • Coltcabunny

      ..

  • This sucks.

    The community did a good job at creating balanced mechanisms. GW mechanisms have never been good. Just more of the ‘Must take’ and “never take”.

    This sucks bad.

    • JJ

      Ha ha ha… please be sarcasm! The community has done squat to bring balance to the systems.

      Everyone just adopted “if you bought it you should get to play it” mentality.

      Then proceeded to purchase more Wraithknights.

      • I’m talking about the community initiative to bring points to age of sigmar. Not the powergamers breaking 40k.

        Where I am few people adopted the if you bought it you should get to play it mentality.

      • I’m talking about the community initiative to bring points to age of sigmar. Not the powergamers breaking 40k.

        Where I am few people adopted the if you bought it you should get to play it mentality.

    • JJ

      Ha ha ha… please be sarcasm! The community has done squat to bring balance to the systems.

      Everyone just adopted “if you bought it you should get to play it” mentality.

      Then proceeded to purchase more Wraithknights.

    • ZeeLobby

      Well, I am definitely very skeptical that they’ll get it right.

    • ZeeLobby

      Well, I am definitely very skeptical that they’ll get it right.

    • Aezeal

      No community stuff on top of gw stuff is better. The more gw provides the more stanrdised things are. The cure comps are way to different in application of aos rules (some removing shooting, other the rolling for turns etc et .) A better Base from gw will help I think. Unless gw gets more active in balancing (regularly updating point cost online) 3th party comp on top of that will be needed .. but that is not a problem.

      • GW never balances anything. GW points are horrible. I think at this point its just time for me to move on to something else.

        • Axis Mundi

          Don’t you think that they maybe released AoS without points or a balancing mechanism because they knew they sucked at it? Risky for them, but they obviously have a three or four year plan for AoS, so seeing what the tournament scene did with it for the first six months wasn’t a bad idea – esp as they genuinely seem to think that a game with no points has potential to draw in lots of new customers.

          I’d hold on to see what they do Auticus – I think you and the guys in the UK are the reason that GW are making this change to AoS, so you should take some pride in that – you’ve shown them that it really works as a tournament game. I know in my area the number 1 (with a bullet!) reason people won’t play AoS is the lack of “official” points and balance. Sad, but there it is.

          My hope is that they use SDK,Clash and SCGT as a blueprint, and copy the same living document approach. Hell, I’d crack open the champagne if they actually involved some of you in it. That’ll never happen though…. ?

        • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

          you may want to check the more recent posts about this not being a centralised points system at all, but a game scoring system for linked campaigns 🙂

          • I posted in the azyr facebook group that we’d be continuing since it appears this is correct.

    • I like SDK a lot. It’s straightforward and the algorithm is the same across armies so things cost pretty much what they should

      • i think all of the major fan comps used a math formula and used it across all of the armies. I know azyr uses the same algorithm for all the models.

        • Muninwing

          i’d love to see such an algorithm applied to 40k… see how widely different from the expected points/balancing it would end up being…

          • Grotesquely different for some things I’m sure.

          • Muninwing

            i can imagine. though i wonder which ones would be ridiculous and in which direction…

  • Tiberius

    The phase out GW did a number of years ago largely made sense at the time, but this is really an indication of how much things have changed since then.

    The popularity of competitive gaming has really exploded in the last few years and it isn’t limited to video games. The magic the gathering streams do insanely well, they’re professionally run tournaments with proper Casters. Granted, they are very different games but GW has been very slow to react to the change in attitudes. The lack of organised play and lack of prioritisation of the ‘gaming’ side of the hobby is a real oversight.

    When you think of all the independent tournaments people run and the number of streaming/batrep sites like Miniwargaming and Frontline gaming, it seems totally crazy that GW has no official outlet for the same thing.

    • brothervizlani

      I would say things have changed….losing sales, losing market share, losing their minds. Screw them.

  • Rajak

    It looks like GW has finally got someone who sees that the “Games” in games workshop means something. And that they are not just a model company.

  • Smurf

    Is this big news? I’m not convinced that many of us care what GW do now. I doubt this will be their ‘coke classic’ moment

  • Gridloc

    Though, we probably will never be ‘credited’ for it, but feel those who left GW due to poor customer relations has help drive GW to make changes. If everyone just blindly followed GW crazy price hikes, lack of interaction and complete unbalance of their games, i feel these new campaigns would never have been. So i will say ‘You are welcome’ you don’t have to say thank you… i know you are deep down though 🙂

    • Aezeal

      But… will you come back….

      • brothervizlani

        Not unless prices go down.

      • Gridloc

        depends, i follow GW news, and the games are fine in their own way (narrative with friends) but the bad decisions of GW linger. Will take a lot to get me back, plus in their absense, I got to try and enjoying all the other games out there.

  • Davis Centis

    Say WHAAAAAAAAT!?!

  • Davis Centis

    Say WHAAAAAAAAT!?!

  • Ravn

    The last time I remember playing in an organized 40k tournament was back in 4th edition when Apocalypse came out.

  • Ravn

    The last time I remember playing in an organized 40k tournament was back in 4th edition when Apocalypse came out.

  • silashand

    I will wait and see. Organized Play generally requires regular and timely FAQs to address issues that come up. Unless they get back into doing that as well then I don’t know how well it will be received. JMO though…

  • silashand

    I will wait and see. Organized Play generally requires regular and timely FAQs to address issues that come up. Unless they get back into doing that as well then I don’t know how well it will be received. JMO though…

    • Aezeal

      As I said even if gw gives a Base for comps to work on.. so they are more similar it will help aos. If gw actually did regular faqs themselves it would be even better .. but not needed.I think most current comps are decent enough but to different so the basics are not similar

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  • Alhazrad-the_mad

    Love to post with you guys, but every since BOLS I proclaimed my love for Allah on here the admins keep taking me down. Hopefully some of you can still read this before its take down. I know religion has no part in wargames but I thought it was a harmless comment. Sorry to anyone I offended.

  • blackbloodshaman

    2016 the year GW stopped acting like a monopoly

    • Ravn

      And now with announcement of OP, we wait for them to start lowering prices again.

      • ZeeLobby

        And good game mechanics, and balance, and better white dwarf articles, and fluff, and the Old World back!!!!

        • zeno666

          Aye!

    • Coltcabunny

      GW wishes their game was as good as Monopoly.

      • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

        Everyone hates Monopoly, but can’t stop playing it. How many families have not murdered one another in these horrid disputes.

        At least wargamers just like or dislike the product and write about it online. Monopoly is for the hardcore kids :D.

  • Justin MacCormack

    AoS having a ‘system’ is barely news. Anyone who’s run an event for it has come up with a way to put together an army list that works, myself included. It’s no big feat.

    • ZeeLobby

      I mean honestly unless they roll some more interesting rules into it, I still don’t see it picking up.

    • Jared Swenson

      Except now there will be a universal standard, which is all people were asking for. With the many different comp systems cycling in and out of popularity, it becomes confusing for players. Having a standard system that events can alter a little to their liking becomes much more attractive.

      • Aezeal

        Totally agreeing . The rules are pretty solid I think.

      • Oldworld Survivor

        It amazes me that some people don’t understand this

      • Justin MacCormack

        Most non-GW events already hold to the same general structure for events, probably via unspoken consensus or social cross-fertilisation of ideas – that of limiting types by keyword and capping models by wounds.
        That is a very good system and has been reliable.
        What I’m worried about is that GW (who, let’s be honest, have never been good at allocating balanced point systems) will trot out a system with the aims of it being the new standard, only for it to be as unbalanced as anything we have seen in the decades of 40k.
        The fandom has done great work here. They came up with strong event sets, they have made unique events, and for those who preferred whf classic they did great work on creating 9th age. I’m very happy with all of those. Hopefully, GW will follow suit, and that will be that.
        Hopefully.

        • eMtoN

          The first version is pretty much guaranteed to have issues. I’m good with that as the “first” anything will have problems. The real question is going to be whether GW can take the inevitable criticism and rapidly iterate on the idea to make it better.

          If so then that will go a long way towards restoring some faith in them.

  • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

    It “sounds” like okay news. As long as they only introduce points and don’t destroy the AoS rules. I feel like we have a good thing running now :).

    • Jared Swenson

      I think the only things they will add to the rules are some glaring issues like summoning and such.

      • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

        Agreed. I doubt they would start throwing away what they have already released in books.
        But if it gets some angry players back around for a first/second try, then I think it is fine :).

  • Thrawn

    Wow!!! About *fing time!!!

    I guess they got tired of losing market share to PP and FFP.

  • Christopher Szynkowski

    Cautiously optimistic about this one.

  • Aaditya Rangan

    I hope they keep the basic AoS rules, which I really enjoy.

    • LordCastellan Vas

      Yeah, me too, I don’t really want points if it’s going to make AOS more like 40k. The exception is summoning, though, which RAW does not really facilitate a fun game.

      • ZeeLobby

        So what about points changes any of what you’re doing now? I just never understand this argument. I mean you could go play 40K, RIGHT now, with your mates, and say, hey, lets not use points and just play with what we want.

        • LordCastellan Vas

          I suppose that’s true, and with close friends I often do that, or at least come to a gentleman’s agreement to the effect of: “Please no knights in a 500 point game,” or what have you. But for many players –even in my regular group– not careful reason, nor probability theory, nor statistical analysis can convince them that their unit is unstoppably cheesy should the assigned points value suggest otherwise. But You’re probably right.

          • ZeeLobby

            Yeah, I mean I get WHY people make the argument. It’s because GW doesn’t cost things appropriately. I mean that’s really it. If a Wraithknight cost it’s appropriate cost, those same people who argued that it was underpowered due to points would have no leg to stand on. Throwing points out the window isn’t the solution, it’s making them actually relevant. But it’s been a while since that’s happened, so I don’t know if it will.

          • LordCastellan Vas

            To be fair to the designers, 40k is a massive, sprawling affair with models and rules spanning a decade at any given time. I’m not sure if it’s possible to get the points right anymore. Not without tearing everything down, building it back up from scratch, and playtesting the hell out of it for a really long time. Even then it would represent a unique challenge if only because of it’s scale. That is compounded by the complexity of the unit interactions, synergies, and special rules. Anyone who think this would be anything less than a titanic feat of game design hasn’t really thought about game design very much.

      • David Leimbach

        Hint: if you don’t want to play with points, you can always ignore the points system.

    • Grumpy Scot

      They need to get rid of the ability to shoot in melee and take two turns in a row, IMO.

      • ZeeLobby

        Which is just redonculous. And return actual required base sizes.

        • Grumpy Scot

          This too. Measuring from bases as well.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean this is like game designing 101 stuff. When I initially read the AoS rules I was like, DEAR GOD, what have they done.

        • Ben_S

          Not keen on that, since then they’ll require rounds.

          • ZeeLobby

            LoL, but you know what, we’d make do, and people would survive. We’ve done it for 25+ years without complaining.

      • Aezeal

        The shooting doesn’t bother me much. I do think shooting out your own combat is odd though.. at least make them shoot the people that are killing them. Shooting into melee bothers me less

  • LordCastellan Vas

    I imagine tournament Age of Sigmar rules will work a lot like the Warhammer World Clash of Empires scenario. I don’t know what they will do with 40k though. I saw a titan in a 750 point game last week, The points stopped making any kind of internally consistent sense three or four years ago and have only gotten stranger.

  • oldgrue

    Store and FLGS levels?
    So my Friendly Local Gaming Store is…um…not a store apparently?
    Colour me cautiously curious.

    • Jared Swenson

      When they reference to ‘stores’ they mean the GW or official Warhammer stores. Everything else that sells their products are FLGS’. They are not implying anything to say the FLGS’ are not stores by definition.

  • euansmith

    This sounds like a welcome change. We live in strange days, indeed.

  • Benderisgreat

    In other news, AoS will now take place on a planet, and players will be required to “rank up” models using square bases……

    • David Leimbach

      They’ll start selling round base movement trays to rank up models.

  • zeno666

    Oh the joy of watching this whole thing fail 🙂
    Can someone please record their seminar “Building a community”!?

  • happy_inquisitor

    Here in the UK they never stopped supporting some organised play. It is not much like other tournaments but it is organised.

    Strangely the thing they support which is closest to competitive play as the tournament scene would recognise it is their Schools League for youngsters. Battle scores on the table are at least a significant factor on the team result in that format.

    I’m curious to see what they have in mind – what they have been doing in the UK or something more along the lines of competitive tournament organised play.

    • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

      im hoping the aos system is the schools league one ive seen used a lot in stores. it makes a lot of sense without resorting to points in the usual sense, and for those wanting ‘balanced’ games it always seemed to produce pretty equal matches.

  • Agent OfBolas

    Too late GW.

    We are already playing The 9th Age – organized play for WFB miniatures…

    • Brian Brodeur

      Ya! All two tournaments that are supporting 9th Age! … ..

      • Agent OfBolas

        Two tournaments just this month. And I’m talking just about big ones.

    • silashand

      Or in our case Kings of War. No one in my group has any intention of going back to GW. They lost our custom for good this time around.

      • Agent OfBolas

        yea, KoW is also nice.

        3rd great game – Warthrone – can be downloaded for free from Avatar of War page. I love rules with recon before game even start.

        Check it out!

  • Andersp90 .

    Mabye there is still hope for the old world?

  • surfpenguin

    And once again the crybabies get what they want, and AOS turns into yet another faux-game where battles are won on the spreadsheet as opposed to the game table.

    Oh well, it was fun while it lasted…

    • blackbloodshaman

      right now, gw would kill to get the crybaby market back

      • surfpenguin

        Oh, you mean the super-competitive tournament players? The ones who chase away the people who DON’T want to spend hours poring over spreadsheets? The ones who crush people who don’t bring the most crunchy, point-efficient list and then insist it was a fair game because ‘the points matched’?

        • Oldworld Survivor

          Your tears are as delicious as they are naive.

          • surfpenguin

            Zounds, what a rejoinder, You can now go to the mall and tell all the other food court gangstas about what a sick burn you laid on a complete stranger on the internet.

    • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

      wait and see…im betting its not simply a points system as we know it, and more of the laws of war or schools league mechanism. of course it wont matter what they do though, haters gonna hate.

    • Aezeal

      Well current rules favor the biggest wallet and biggest carring case….

      • Drpx

        My fateweaver and screaming bell both fit in a shoebox and weren’t all that pricey.

    • brothervizlani

      Suck choad

  • X078

    Hooyah!

  • standardleft

    They listened!! Well done GW. I know I didn’t really need the points in AoS, but so many people I’ve talked to really want them in the new game.

    Now, please just get an Adrian Smith copy cat to do your art and you’ll be fine.

  • X078

    Hooyah!

    Indeed good news if it is true. Proper points for AoS is welcome and ofc organized 40k play hopefully means FAQ’s are coming.
    Hope this will be good so one can get out of the house ruling bogs.

  • Old zogwort

    please let this also include a re-balancing faq. for 40k

    • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

      It will certainly clear the air for many players.

  • TweetleBeetle

    GW reps said in the beginning that a more formal rules/points system would be coming for AoS. People will pretend it’s GW backpedaling, but they are delusional.

    GW reps also said last year that they would have a bigger presence at conventions soon, hence the reason they dropped Games Day/Warhammer Fest from locations outside of the UK.

    None of this is surprising to people who knew how to read and think with their mouth closed.

    • ZeeLobby

      I mean the real question has always been “too little, too late”. I know many people who’ve simply moved on already at our local FLGS. Makes you think if AoS was in development for 2/3 years prior to it’s release, why couldn’t they have had it ready to go?

    • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

      Is it possible that you have a link to the into somewhere? I have a hard time finding it myself, but I know I read it somewhere around AoS release, and I really want to find it again for argumentable reasons :(.

  • Niklas Wallin

    I will stand in the carefully optismistic corner and see how it plays out

  • MikeHollstrom

    Too good to be true. If they can do it right that is 🙂

  • xxvaderxx

    I mean, its nice they finally recognize what the community has demanded for years, but… AoS balance is none existent which in a way gives them a blanc slate to work on, 40k on the other hand has points tied to the entries on the codexes and those are an utter mess balance wise.

    • Kenneth Portner

      Is it possible tht given the huge number of options in 40k that it’s just impossible to try to balance it all?

      • xxvaderxx

        Nop it isnt, we are not talking about perfect balance we are talking about acceptable balance, 290 points for a wraith knight just to name 1 think, is miles away from that.

  • Warbrain

    8 months ago: “Age of Sigmar does not have a points system. This is amazing and exciting news for the community”

    Today: “Age of Sigmar is getting a points system. This is amazing and exciting news for the community.”

    • Ross Allan

      I know, right. It’s almost as if there’s no unanimous opinion out there.

      Crazy!

    • Kenneth Portner

      Would you feel better if GW said, ” we made a mistake “? If not, what’s your point?

      • Warbrain

        GW didn’t say this.

  • Bayne MacGregor

    I’m keen to learn of the details of the 40k campaign set-up. Too bad my local game store closed but it might still be possible for us to set something up locally.

  • John Robert Hurley

    Too late for me unfortunately. Other than the “ignore bases” thing, the initial AoS rules weren’t actually bad. Simple and different, but not bad. If some effort to balance AoS had been there from the outset, i might still be in the fold. As is, I moved on, sold my armies and am not interested in starting over.

    Funny too that GW is now thinking about “Community”. Finally realizing that healthy community is necessary to drive sales and attract new players after all the damage they did to their own community.

  • Shiwan8

    So what? Unless they invest in balancing the games this is an effort without value on their part. The problem in organized play is not that GW is not involved. It’s that the design is in no way suitable for that in any of their games.

  • GiftoftheMagi

    A point system for Age of Sigmar? So…the key selling point, that you could take whatever you want as long as your opponent okies it….is now gone?!? Which brings up something else…another key rule is that a player can simply deny a match with an army he or she doesn’t like. In organized play, how does that work? Normally if a player sees his or her match and says ‘nope’, that person takes a complete Loss and their opponent a Win. So will they have to dump TWO key rules?

    • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

      GW has always had the intend that you can bring what you want, or you can structurize it with points or whatever. It is up to you. Don’t hesitate to ask them on their new FB page
      https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/

      • GiftoftheMagi

        Which is fine with a friendly game between two friends. But in structured or tournament play, that really doesn’t work. There is an editorial on this site that explains the problems of not having structured play, but it basically comes down to this: it lets people who don’t know each other be able to have a balanced game. It also allows for events, escalation leagues and such…which promotes sales.

        As it stands, I am 8-0-4 with a single Tomb Swarm base. I have one base of Tomb Swarm, and if my opponent takes just 3 models, I get to pick the special ending rules, which is always ‘If I have at least one model left, I win’. Before the game starts, I bury the unit. End of game. I win.

        Normally, this kind of thing would stop people from playing me, but in tournaments or special events, they CAN’T refuse. Refusal means an auto-win for me. There are a lot of ways you can do this under the current rules, which is why almost no one plays AoS in my area anymore. It’s actually lower than 8th edition was.

        So yeah, GW has to do it. No choice. If you want to promote a brand new game (and this is a brand new game) as expensive as this is, with SO many alternatives doing a lot better, they need structure. They need to dump the pamplet and get a rulebook.

        • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

          As I understand it, if you set up your tomb swarm as burrowed, it is not present on the table. If you have no models on the table at any given time, you lose the game immediatly.

        • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

          couple glaring points to correct here, as you are wayyyy off the mark with the facts behind this common critique.
          firstly, the sudden death rules arent in all scenarios. ive had well over 50 games now, seen it used maybe 6 times- all to entertainment of both players, and by choice.
          secondly, the quite clear rules- the tomb swarm fallacy is utter half read bunkum, for a host of reasons-
          a)’if my opponent takes 3 models’ relies on your opponent not seeing what you are intending or that he ends up deploying 3 plus models first.
          b)the sudden death victory condition that you refer to(endure)states ‘have at least one model left which STARTED the battle on the battlefield STILL IN PLAY at the end of the sixth combat round’.
          please read ‘glorious victory’ which clearly says ‘ that ‘if no enemy models LEFT ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE the opponent can immediately claim a major victory. go bury that single tomb swarm before the game, (wording is clearly instead of setting up a tomb swarm on the battlefield’).or if you bury your only model later (it also says ‘remove from the battlefield’ there) you lose straight away!
          lastly, and most importantly, you are literally missing the point of the game- you and your opponent enjoying it together, not trying to get one over on the other because of some non-existent loophole.

  • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

    GW has launched their official FB AoS group some hours ago, and they are already answering questions about summoning and point systems. https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/

    The answers are very “open”, meaning in short terms that they want you to play the way you want to play. If you want to play with points, do it.
    If you want rank-and-file, do it.
    If you want to summon a certain way, discuss with your opponent and summon the way you what to summon.

    This could indicate that they are trying to reach out to the customers again.

    • Ben_S

      Saying ‘agree with your opponent’ or ‘roll a dice for it’ doesn’t really answer a rules query. I can do that anyway, without GW’s input. But if I’m playing a game they supposedly designed, I’d like them to be able to tell me what the rules are.

    • Kenneth Portner

      Fine. They tell me if i want to play with points i should play with point. Will they answer my question if i ask; “Do you have a point system i could use? “

      • Rasmus Høgh Nørskov

        Well, take the oppertunity and ask them on their page right away. I cannot answer for them :P.

  • StingrayP226

    Its a good step forward but GW has a storm to travel through due to their lack of balance. If they keep moving forward and learn from the metas to better balance the game I think GW could see their slow downward trend of sales start turning around. However it will take a lot of work from them and an open mind.

  • Dan

    God it woukd be so easy for a company with the resources and install base of gw to balance points if it went about it intelligently.

    1. Figure out your base algorithm and put out initial round of faqs.
    2. Build database attaced to “suggested” army building app and have all official tournaments upload all participating army lists.
    3. Bask in the glory of analytics and let big data do the heavy lifting from there on out.
    4. Start a new edition to refine rules at leisure.
    5. Repeat.

    • LordCastellan Vas

      Even completing #1. on your list is not a trivial thing, as a matter of pure abstraction. i wouldn’t expect this process would be easy, or that it would require a small expenditure or level of coordination on the part of the company. And the process must be taken into consideration again and again with each susequent release. This is a nice approach, but it would not be cheap. Companies much larger than Games Workshop pay many millions of dollars trying to analyze data in a useful way. And with a continuing release schedule, you’re also aiming for a moving target.

  • Secundum

    Aaaaand points for Age of Sigmar. Another step on the road to 9th edition.

    • Brian Griffith

      The way I see it, given how far in advance these things are planned, this was always in the cards.

      You just can’t do it until your revamp of the armies/factions is done (which it isn’t yet).

  • frankelee

    I never understood the competitive side all that well, competitive Age of Sigmar however, is literally incomprehensible.

  • Azrell

    Id come back to playing if they just started updating the game with regular FAQs and answering questions for people.

    • Muninwing

      seriously.

      if they had monthly “FAQ – and – question” releases, imagine how much more smooth playing would be.

      though what they really need is someone who is in the role of a balancer of an MMO — someone whose job it is to crunch the data, analyze play results and comparisons, and who tweaked points costs and options in order to make the points value accurate instead of the stab in the dark they are now. free monthly change bulletins for those with paper dexes. free patches for digital codexes.

      people might complain when their stuff gets nerfed, but then potentially all armies could be played effectively.

  • Azrell

    Surprise! AoS v2 50$ rule to follow shortly!

  • lordofexcess

    With the current rulesets, good luck …

  • Grumpy Scot

    I have never heard the term organised play before, lol.

    Curious about points. Cynical about potential execution. Still crushed on lore and setting. Will watch from afar!

  • But wait, I thought AoS didn’t need rules lol.

  • Marky

    Turns out they didn’t need to nuke the old world after all…… Just give out a few badges and 2 hundred quid worth of models for prizes….Oh well.

  • Erik Setzer

    First, the positive: There’s been some good moves in the right direction. This stuff, the actual board game priced board game, the price on stuff like the GA books or the Pestilens battletome, reviving Specialist Games, popping back up on social media, couple other things I’ve been told of but won’t believe until I see them and can judge myself (sorry, that’s vague, but I’m not sure how much I trust the source, even if he works for GW).

    So yeah, I see the positive, and kudos on it.

    But… there’s still two serious issues left. (Three, but the third is a bit of a personal peeve.)

    First, White Dwarf needs to stop being an expensive weekly sales flyer and go back to being a real content magazine, even if that makes it monthly. They can still do weekly product releases. Put real content back in the magazine. Make it a magazine again. If it’s to remain a sales flyer, treat it like one: Give it away to people to show off your product to entice them to buy it. Don’t force them to pay for an advertisement.

    But the big elephant in the room: Pricing.

    Some of it’s been reasonable lately, mainly stuff like Start Collecting!*, the above examples, stuff like that. But then you see AoS’s continued $74 core books, the price of Stormcast models, more and more $30+ characters, etc. They’re reaching out more to bring in more customers and making a slightly more welcoming door… but when people step in and see how much the real cost is, they quickly run back out. Because that pricing scheme is still set to be exclusive, the opposite of bringing people in. They’ve shown they don’t want to turn that around, either, but if they don’t, all this work to bring people in will be pointless. It’ll be a few more sales at the entry-level, but those people for the most part won’t become repeat customers or buy anything further. That won’t help company growth or anything. And Rountree stupidly exclaimed there’d be no lowering of prices, despite the fact that real companies do that all the time in reaction to market trends (especially competition, which now actually exists). So that needs to seriously be addressed.

    The last one, just a pet peeve, is that their website needs some content on it like it used to have. And especially stuff aimed at beginners as well as experience people. Like “How to paint your models the easy way” to encourage people to join in and actually paint their models (it’s easy to get decent results!). Just stuff like that. Show conversions . And then link all of those articles to the products so people can buy right then, because that’s a revenue generating channel. (Okay, yeah, see, I said it was a personal thing. I’m a web guy. And now a web marketer. And that last bit is a mantra I’ve hammered into the Marketing team’s head. And it works! Value added by content, and it drives revenue, too.)

    *I was told by a guy who was a GW manager, not some disgruntled guy on the web, that these were thrown together in a panic over lower Christmas sales. Not sure if that’s accurate, but odd that someone working for GW would mention that. Seems very possible, but hey, it doesn’t discount that it was a good thing for customers, even if it took panic to force it… and a lot of this other stuff.

  • versuscorp

    too late! sorry gw! you already lost the trust of your consumers..you killed warhammer fantasy community in one night. You killed balance for money and more money .

    Besides that, if you organize anything from now on it would be again a waiting progress. You will produce an army which will kill anything else and then you will produce another one, you will create powerfull armies for more money and try to sell more and more. Then you will create another.

    It’s like smoking. We don’t want to smoke and then smoke again. We don’t want to live in your nicotine circulation We already quite gw. We have our own community. We have 9th age, malifaux, ffg, infinity..We have community comp for 40k..

    We don’t want to wait something from you for balance..We don’t need you anymore…It is over..Game over for you..

  • Stephen

    GW called my store to offer them 200$ in prize support to run a AoS tournament. We turned it down since no one at my store plays. I will say though I’m glad to hear this.

  • eldarconvert .

    Love it, if they introduce points into AoS it will be like taking the lid off a very large can of worms. AoS2.0 here we come!

  • Simon

    “Build Community” is not a seminar that I feel Games Workshop is equipped to host at the moment. Maybe 20 years ago and maybe in another 5 years, but now? There’s too much ill will in their community that — as stated in the article above — they alienated over the past decade.

    That said, it’s good that they’re recognizing what they’ve done, and I hope they can get back on track. There was after all a time where they made a great product and had a huge community of folks that were foaming at the mouth to contribute to their games.

    But to host a seminar called “Build Community” now — that isn’t explicitly an apology to the community they dismissed — seems more like a middle finger to those scorned, than it does an inspirational talk for the future.

  • Malky

    How many points is it to do the moustache stuff / ride the horse?

    Can I still use a Space Marine with my Duardin?

    • standardleft

      For someone so into roleplay, its strange to hear you mock it.

  • Moses Jones

    A point system for AOS is fantastic news and a huge step in the right direction. Now if they put their models back on square bases so we can have ranks, flanks and movement trays, then I’m back in.

    • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

      you can use ranks and movement trays with any bases, as for flanks, theres a lot more to model placement and formation of the unit in aos than is clear without playing it a fair bit, pile in moves, 3″ engagement, mixed unit formations and variable weapon reaches mean its more intricate than +1 cr to a unit attacking in the flank etc. this article is a good starting point, but look through youtube for other similar stuff- quite eye-opening for those that insist a game with 4 pages of rules cant have many tactics. – http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?f=165&t=76924&sid=7d9f4c3fafa4beadd4d490f9f42eef9c

  • Joe Moe

    I am friends with someone who is taking part as a GM/Campaign Mod. in one of these AOS campaign events… GW is NOT bringing a points system to AOS!

    That is a total and absolute distortion of what’s happening. I am really tired of BOLS publishing things in detailed reports as if they have some confirmed source information, when it’s really nothing more than heresay with conclusions drawn.

    To clarify: AOS will have a point-based SCORING system for the campaigns. Points will be given for victories in the various scenarios, which will then accumulate up until the final campaign battle/event, whatever that may be. There will NOT be point-values assigned to individual character models, units or warscrolls. GW is NOT returning to point-based army lists. AOS will still be an open-ended game based on scenarios, and the scenarios will dictate the amount of forces per side, etc.

    Please confirm your information before you publish a New York Times front-page style earth-shattering headline like it’s some bombshell discovery. You got this one wrong. It’s just irresponsible reporting.

    • WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON?!

      yep i just got this from a staffer too. also a post on lady a’s site seems to back it up https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/555 . im pretty sure the truth wasnt why bols/faeit etc reported the ‘bombshell’ though, more to kick a hornets nest and gain hits 😉