40k List-Tech: BAO Top 10 Blood Angels List

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Today on List-Tech we have the most requested BAO tourney list: Danny Kwan’s 5-1 Blood Angels list. 

The list-tech segment is a series of articles designed to focus on unique, competitive lists crafted by players in the community in order to provide new and experienced players with tactics, tips, and tricks to use in the heat of battle. For more great tactics articles head on over to Frontlinegaming!

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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Today on List-Tech I will be highlighting the two most requested lists from the 2016 BAO. One of the lists will be posted here on Bell of Lost Souls and the other list will be posted on Frontlinegaming. If you would like to check out Brandon Grant’s Undefeated Dark Angels list and the List-Tech for it click here. Otherwise keep on reading to find out how to beat over 160 players with a very uncommon Blood Angels list.

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Danny Kwan’s Blood Angels

HQ
Librarian (ML1), Veritas Vitae, Force Sword, Auspex
Mephiston

Elites
Furioso Dreadnought, Frag Cannon, Melta Gun, Drop Pod
Command Squad, Melta Guns (x3), Drop Pod

Troop
Tactical Squad (x5), Melta Gun, Sergeant with Infernus Pistol, Drop Pod
Tactical Squad (x5), Heavy Flamer, Sergeant with Infernus Pistol, Drop Pod

Heavy
Fire Raptor, Heavy Bolter Sponsons

White Scars CAD

HQ
Librarian (ML2), Hunters Eye, Force Stave

Troop
Scout Squad (x5)
Scout Squad (x5), Land Speeder Storm with Heavy Flamer

Fast
Storm Talon, Skyhammer Missile Launcher
Storm Talon, Skyhammer Missile Launcher
Drop Pod

Heavy
Centurion Devastators, Grav Cannon and Grav Amp (x2), Sergeant with Grav Cannon and Grav Amp and Omniscope

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Not Danny’s list. Just a BA army I liked at the BAO

The List Interview

1. Tell us a little bit about your army, why did you go with certain units? Why did you pick this army list in particular? Is there anything special about your army that you want to highlight?

As a Blood Angels (BA) player, my options are often extremely limited. I lack a lot of what is available to Space Marine (SM) players and I don’t really get that much in return for what is sacrificed. To be honest, I think that it would be crazy for me to use a pure BA force in a competitive meta because the codex is extremely under powered compared to their SM counterparts. However, the BA Codex does have a lot of hidden gems that allows for tactical fluidity, assuming that the player knows what they are looking for and how to best take advantage of what is available.

By looking at my list, it’s apparent that I don’t use too many codex specific units except for the Furioso Dreadnought and Mephiston. I have two Tactical Squads embarked on Drop Pods, one with a Heavy Flamer (Which is available only to BA Tactical Squads), and the other with a Melta Gun. Both Tactical Sergeants have Inferno Pistols (Str 8 Ap 1, Range 6, Melta, and are also only available to BA models). My warlord is a Mastery Level (ML) 1 Librarian with an Auspex and the Veritas Vitae, which grants my warlord an additional Warlord Trait (WT) on the Strategic Table. The last two units for my BA Combined Arms Detachment are a Command Squad loaded with three Melta Guns, a compulsory Sanguinary Priest (Grants Feel No Pain), and Company Champion and a Fire Raptor with Twin-Linked Quad Heavy Bolters.

For those who are wondering why I included a Dreadnought and Mephiston: My Furioso Dreadnought is armed with a Frag Cannon (Str 6 AP- Rending Template that fires twice) and can generally wreck Guard equivalent blobs and doubles out Canoptek Scarabs, Ripper Swarms, and Nurglings. Mephiston is there to kill Monstrous Creatures and Imperial Knights with his ability to cast Strength 10 for his sword and Force.

My White Scars CAD is comprised of a ML 2 Librarian with the Hunters Eye, two squads of Scouts, one with a Land Speeder Storm that is equipped with a Heavy Flamer, two Storm Talons equipped with Skyhammer Missiles, and a unit of Grav-Centurions.

The main idea behind my army is to be fluid yet surgical. I have a lot of options for deployment (Infiltrate, Deep Strike, Scout, and Outflank) that allows me to be where I need to be and a good combination of weapons and models that allows me to kill what I need to kill. As with all players, my tactics are situationally dependent upon the opponent and their army, but, unlike say a “Wolf-Star” or a “Battle Company”, my list has the advantage of not being forced to play in any specific way because of the aforementioned reasons as well as my ability to access two WTs on the Strategic Table (I also get to re-roll my WTs because I’m running a Combined Arms Detachment).

My friend, Myles, compares my list to a “Glass Hammer.” One of the major weaknesses of my army is that I must be able to maximize the amount of damage that I can inflict within the first two turns or I’ll get outpaced because I lack mobility. With that in mind, I chose to include two Storm Talons and a Fire Raptor to supplement my fire power and to have the added ability to go into hovering mode and claim some additional board presence later in the game.

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2. What expectations did you have for the meta? Were there any armies you were worried about? What match-ups did you feel most comfortable with?

My expectations regarding the meta were fairly straight forward and inline with everyone else. I expected to see a lot of Eldar, Tau, Necron, and SM players with the kind of powerful lists that are associated with each army. Luckily, I’ve had the good fortune of being able to play and lose against a variety of amazing armies at my local gaming store. The overwhelming amount of losses that I’ve suffered have helped me develop enough insight into how each army works. Familiarity breeds comfort and comfort makes it a lot easier to prioritize the targets that largely contributed to my losses in the past.

To be honest, there weren’t too many armies that I was worried about because I have a decent to good understanding of how each one works. However, the three armies that I did secretly worry about were: Tau (Early Warning Override spells doom for me every time), Imperial Knights (Those 5 Knight lists… really, is that necessary? Lol), and a Renegades list piloted by Adam Solis (I haven’t quite figured out how to win against his horde of zombies that are protected by a Void Shield Generator yet).

I don’t want to say that I felt more comfortable with one army over another. If anything, I felt more comfortable with certain missions over other missions. I kind of expected every player to have an excellent grasp on how to play their army and that their army was comprised of the most point efficient and lethal units from their respective codices. I absolutely hate playing Purge the Alien because of how many points I can potentially give up, unless it’s against a SM Battle Company.

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3. How did you prepare yourself and your list for “meta” armies like Eldar varients, Battle company, and Daemon lists? Who did you beat on the way to victory at the tournament?

In my opinion, the best way to prepare yourself for any tournament is to simply be brilliant at the basics. By that I mean knowing and understanding the rules of the game and the rules for your army. You have to know what each unit is capable of and how to maximize its potential in order to play to the mission. In addition, you have to know something about the army that you’re playing against. If you have no experience with that specific army then you should ask plenty of questions and not simply take the player at their word. As Travis Simpson, a manager at Game Empire Pasadena, says, “You have to be your own advocate.” My first round match up was against a Dark Angels player who essentially ran a “Wolf-Star” comprising 3 Iron Priests on Thunder Wolves with 3 Cyber Wolves each that were attached to a Ravenwing Command Squad. He incorrectly stated that his Wolves had an Armor Save of 6 which meant that the majority save for the unit would be 6 thus causing my Grav-Cannons to wound on a 6’s. Having played against Space Wolves in the past, I knew that Iron Priests didn’t have the option to take Fenrisian Wolves (The unit containing models with a 6 save) and that the Cyber Wolves had an Armor Save of 4+. Had I not know this information and politely asked my opponent to verify my claim then my Grav-Cannons would have been essentially useless against his “Wolf-Star.” As the Blood Ravens like to say, “Knowledge is power.”

In regards to my victories, I’ll have to say that I was very fortunate to be matched up against the opponents that I had for each specific round. None of my games were won easily, especially my fifth round against a SM Iron Hands player who ran two Command Squads on Bikes, each Marine with a Power Fist, Storm Shield, and Grav-Gun. For the latter half of the game, he was able to masterfully exploit my lack of mobility and he literally fisted each of my units to death. However, he didn’t play to the mission and ignored my Drop Pods and Scouts in his haste to destroy the last of my Grav-Centurions during the bottom of the fifth turn. Luckily, the game ended on turn 5 and my Drop Pods and Scouts were still controlling the Objective Markers.

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4. Hindsight is 20-20 and looking back on the tournament was there anything you would have changed about your list to better accommodate the meta you experienced?

Even with 20/20 hindsight, I don’t think that I would have changed my list in order to accommodate the meta. I have considered swapping the BA Tactical Squad with a WS Tactical Squad with a Combi-Melta (Sergeant), Melta Gun, so that I can use the 30th Anniversary Tactical Marine with his sweet Strength 5 AP2 Rapid Fire, Instant Death, gun, but I don’t know if ITC allows the model. (We don’t) I have also been tinkering with the idea of removing Mephiston and replacing him with another Furioso Dreadnought with a Frag Cannon in a Drop Pod. Despite his potential, Mephiston has done nothing but fail me during the BAO.

2nd Round: Against Wulfen: Mephiston cast Warp Speed and was Strength 10. (9 attacks on the charge) He dealt 8 wounds and only killed one Wulfen. I just removed Mephiston and told my opponent not to bother rolling.

4th Round: Against a lone Necron Overlord with 1 wound and only a 3+ Armor Save, Resurrection Orb had already been used: Mephiston cast Force (5 attacks). Failed 4 to hit rolls, failed the to wound roll, then got murdered causing my Command Squad and Warlord to run off the board.

5th Round: Against an Iron Hands Tech Priest on a Bike: Mephiston cast Iron Arm (5 attacks). Failed 4 to hit rolls and caused 1 woundl. My opponent saved the single wound with a FNP and then Servo-Armed Mephiston to death.

6th Round: Against a grounded Fly-rant with 2 wounds: Mephiston cast Strength 10 and Force (6 attacks on the charge). Failed 4 to hit rolls and 2 to wound rolls. He was promptly murdered right after.

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5. What are some tips or tricks you have for people who might want to start using your army?

Tips for using the BA Codex. Uhm. It’s not a very forgiving codex to use unless you run them as allies or have a really good plan with them and use a lot of Forge World models. The BA Formations and Detachments generally aren’t that useful in this current meta. I could be wrong, but I think most people would agree, especially after GW nerfed the Angel’s Fury Spearhead Force. Overall, I think that any force can be decent given the players knowledge and experience with their army, but as previously stated, any mistakes that are made by a BA player aren’t very forgiving in a game unlike with the SM codex where transports are free, etc, etc. Best tip is to just have fun and expect to lose several games. Hopefully after that, you’ll start gaining some meaningful experience that will help you figure out different and creative ways to win!

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  • Antoine Henry

    a BA list is not a “BA with something else list”… dang it… This list just has a “Furioso” as a “BA unit” and lets say the Mephiston and 2 pack of “mandatory” tactical squad. Fire Raptor is not BA and the “punch” comes more from the White scar…

    • Charon

      Isnt that exactly what CSM players get to hear when they complain?
      “You have daemons, KDK and Forgeworld!”
      Now… BA have even more BB allies and FW too…

      So yes, if a CSM army that consist of a cyclopean cabal with KDK Gorepack, Daemon allies and FW counts a a CSM list (see CSM have good placings in tournaments too!), then this is a BA list too.

      • Zingbaby

        CSM players just don’t ever stop complaining – even when the article is about entirely other armies.

        • ZeeLobby

          Eh. I’ll allow it. They’ve been shafted for a LOOOOONG time.

          • Randy Randalman

            Except they keep doing well at tournaments. Unlike Orks, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar. Sure, they pull from a lot of sources, but it’s all Chaos.

          • ZeeLobby

            Putting KDK in your CSM list is identical to putting Eldar into your DE list. For all intents and purposes it’s a completely separate faction that’s BBs with CSM. And let’s be honest, it’s KDK and Daemons which make winning Chaos lists, nothing from CSM.

          • Admiral Raptor

            So why don’t you think Dark Eldar are good? They can draw from arguably the best source in the game.

            How about Astra Militarum? I mean it’s all imperium right? So they must be top tier too!

      • Antoine Henry

        Actually, i think 40K loses a lot of players due to the now “all stupid alliance” and lack of identity of every list and mess with the rules going on this unit due to this allied IC etc etc. This list is a just pile of garbage as it has no identity (as most tourney lists have no identity and are not fluff anyway). This list is not a BA list, it is a BA/WS/FW list and thats what the title should say.

        • euansmith

          I agree on the lack of identity front. I think that all Space Marines should be Allies of Convenience at best. It seems that all Chapters have some terrible secret or axe to grind that would make them unwilling to team up with anyone else. If they are going to be Battle Brothers, then they should just have a single OP Codex.

    • OldHat

      “Fire Raptor is not BA” Well, it is. It even has rules just for the BA in it.

      But yea…. White Scars are the all stars, apparently. I wonder if this army was painted uniquely or according to the Chapters present.

      Maybe one day BA will get an update and be worthwhile on their own.

    • Kevin Maloney

      To be fair, the guy says after the first question:
      “As a Blood Angels (BA) player, my options are often extremely limited. I lack a lot of what is available to Space Marine (SM) players and I don’t really get that much in return for what is sacrificed. To be honest, I think that it would be crazy for me to use a pure BA force in a competitive meta because the codex is extremely under powered compared to their SM counterparts.”

      That being said, I agree with you 100% that they should call this a “Blood Angels + Allies” list, at the very least. All this did was get people’s hopes up that someone was faring well with a pure Angels list.

  • Shiwan8

    So, where’s the BA list?

  • Defenestratus

    Funny, I came to this thread expecting to see a BA list – and saw… something else…

    • petrow84

      Funny, last week I checked a tourney winner DA list, with only DA units, and players were booing all the same.

      • ZeeLobby

        You seem to be under some delusion that DA are on par with BA competitively. Can’t help you there…

        Take out the core SM codex units and BA get nowhere. This is really a vanilla space Marine list with some BA allies.

        • petrow84

          Maybe it is that English is only my second language, but I fail to see where did I mentioned that they are in the same league.
          I only enjoy the irony.

          • ZeeLobby

            I mean there’s plenty of things to boo about. I don’t see how there’s irony when the reasons are completely different.

      • Djbz

        I believe that was for a different reason.
        The Dark Angel’s list was using the free transports from the double demi-company which is (understanderbly) considered being a jerk.
        This “Blood Angels” list contains almost nothing “Blood Angely” and hinges more on a White scars unit (the centurions) than it does the Blood Angels

  • Kevin Maloney

    So apparently, every non-Codex Marine list must have White Scars now?

  • Zingbaby

    Yay tournaments… good on you or whatever but you don’t get to call this list a “Blood Angels list” Danny.

  • Ni Modo

    I think you guys are looking for the 5th Edition articles a few pages back.

  • Admiral Raptor

    That was some quality lying in the title. Good to know what counts as a Blood Angels army nowadays.

  • Troy G

    Important Rules note. You don’t get to reroll the additional warlord trait you get from the Veritas Vitae.

    I run Da Finkin Kap which is the same thing except for Orks, and I know why you really, really want to reroll the 2nd one, but I don’t think you can.

  • Nikhil Sinha

    So much hate. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the BoLS comments section which is a cesspool of negativity.

    SM and BA have many overlapping units as they’re both Space Marines, you’re going to fault him for using units that are shared? It is a BA list because more than 50% of his points are going towards the BA CAD. So yes it is a BA army under ITC. Get over it.

    I swear people here just want something to compain about.

    • Troy G

      You’ve got to admit that it is a White Scars list as much as a blood angels one. The Fire Raptor could move to White Scars, and nothing about the function of the list would change except for the ITC faction classification.

  • Squeeker

    Disapointed, Not a blood angels list, just another Allies list cherry picking two different armies.

  • LordKrungharr

    In the game this BA player mentions vs the Iron Hands, a Command Squad biker cannot be armed with a fist, shield, AND a grav gun. Or can Space Marines replace their bike’s bolter with a special weapon now per an FAQ I missed? Pretty please?!

    • Boltstein

      They still have twin-linked bolters as well. You just have to model all those sweet weapons lol. Sour grapes I know.

      Disclaimer: My bike command squad has 75 points of grav guns and 75 points of close combat weapons.